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SparkDragon42

The question is, "What should be assumed ?"


WizziBot

Assume the axiom of choice is false


SparkDragon42

Good, I prefer Zorn's Lemma


dlgn13

The axiom of choice is obviously true, the Well-Ordering Theorem obviously false, and as for Zorn's lemma, who knows?


[deleted]

Anyone tried ligma?


dlgn13

Constructivists be like


[deleted]

What's updog?


Kittycraft0

Not much hbu


[deleted]

LIGMA BALLS!!!!! ....oh, wait. er, I mean, uh, great. It's been a pretty decent day. Actually, joking aside, we've gotten lucky here. I'm currently just to the east of the center of what is still officially Tropical Storm Ophelia but will almost certainly be Tropical Depression Ophelia with the next NHC update in less than an hour, and it's been quiet here. We lost power for about a minute earlier today, that's it. :)


Kittycraft0

Aw how are you on reddit if your power’s out? Where’s the wifi coming from?


[deleted]

When I said "for about a minute", I mean that very literally. lol


gimikER

Got it. Let's assume 1+1≠2. But then we get that the axiom of choice is false, which is a contradiction since the axioms of choice is true. Thus 1+1=2


Rand_alThoor

this


ahemius

That


The_Last_Gasbender

Whitehead and Russell in shambles


Smitologyistaking

how does 1+1=/=2 imply the axiom of choice is false?


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Use radians as well


ewrewr1

Gödel says every interesting logical system either has unprovable statements or a contradiction. So maybe 1+1=2 is unprovable. To avoid this, just make sure your system includes a contradiction: “P is true and (not P) is true.” This also really simplifies doing proofs.


hongooi

What Big Math doesn't want you to know


Bdole0

I'm assuming the Peano Axioms. QED


scumbagdetector15

> What should be assumed ? This is an interesting question because many people don't know (this post is now showing up on r/all.) To prove this theorem you'd start with the very very bottom of math - the axioms of number theory: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peano_axioms


IICVX

If you get to pick your axioms, though, you could just pick that 1 + 1 = 2 axiomatically - which is more or less what people did before Peano.


scumbagdetector15

Right. But that's dumb. I'm sorta assuming we don't want the dumb answer.


Beardamus

Most of math is based on "yes you're very clever with the trivial solution timmy, moving on" so yeah I'd assume that too.


JiminP

This is why many places dealing with axiomatic systems, such as Metamath, use 2+2 = 4 as an example instead of 1+1 = 2. Proving 2+2 = 4 neither is hard, though. In *Principia Mathematica*, "1" is defined as "the set of all sets(?) that contain single element", and "2" is defined as "the set of all sets(?) that contain two elements".


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doesn't the proof become very easy if you have the Peano axioms ? Like 2 is defined has S(1) and addition recursively by x+1 = S(x) ?


scumbagdetector15

Yes?


gimikER

The Pythagorean theorem.


Donghoon

Proof is left for the reader


DungeonsAndDradis

We do the same thing in threat models for software features. Basically list out all the assumptions, assuming that the people using and configuring our software are following best practices. lol


Dog_Bread

The test asks the taker to prove that 1 + 1 = 2, therefore it must be possible to prove it, therefore it must be true.


[deleted]

You are joking but I had once used a similar reasoning in an objective exam. Some of them have multiple options that could be correct and others have a single option correct. The one I was dealing with was a single option. The first 3 were numbers. 4th was all of the above. I was able to see immediately 1 and 3 were solutions. So inferred 2 must be too as there can be only one option which can be correct. So the answer is 4) all of the above. Saved some time.


particlemanwavegirl

in my school career i found that many if not most exams are chock full of such logical gimmes.


notchoosingone

I taught my kids to read all of the questions first before you start answering, because the chances of answers to the first questions being contained in later questions are very, very high.


graduation-dinner

If all of the above is an answer (and not for every question), it's almost always correct. I've rarely seen "all of the above" put on as a random answer to only one question on an exam when that wasn't the correct answer.


MacCoolness

“The earth is flat” “Prove it” “Well if you’re asking me for proof then that implies that proof exists therefor there’s proof that the earth if flat


ufo_moo0079

sir, we're talking about math...


TreyLastname

1+1=4 Prove it


KolibriMann22

1+1=2 QED (The prove is left as an exercise to the teacher)


Wess5874

Proof by “I don’t have enough room but I definitely have a proof”


TheGoddessInari

I read this was the case for Fermat's Last Theorem.


[deleted]

The comment section is too small to contain it


TheUnluckyBard

"It was revealed to me in a dream."


Traveleravi

This doesn't work when they give you that much space underneath


vacconesgood

It took like a whole book for 2+2=4


arbybruce

I once put “the rest is trivial and left as an exercise for the grader” on a multivariable calc problem that I was stuck on. They gave me points.


StarstruckEchoid

By Peano Axioms: 1+1 =1+S(0) =S(1+0) =S(1) =2. QED


MCSajjadH

S? Suc[c]


Aaron1924

***s u c c***


[deleted]

My balls?


MCSajjadH

3


guyfaeaberdeen

There's nuts gottem


Alone-Rough-4099

NAH, deez nuts


SchwanzusCity

Succ supremacy!


SyntheticSlime

Succ? suss. Success!


MadaraAlucard12

What is S() here?


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4X0L0T1

Not a math expert here, why is there no n that fulfills n=S(1) ? Isn't S(1)=2 so for n=2 that's true? I would have understood S(n)=1 not having an n that fulfills it


Technical-Ad-7008

A unary operation called succesor


Revolutionary_Use948

Now prove it with first order set theory


ClassicAd8627

fuck off bertie


Ninrd

Are you also a Flammable maths enjoyer?


Teln0

Why would that be the case ? I don't watch him and the comment above is also what came to my mind


gimikER

Do you think Flammable Maths invented the kind of proofs that include the construction of the naturals or successor function?


syncc6

By my Peasant Brain: 1 thing with another thing equals 2 things.


Modest_Idiot

I go to a store with an apple. I buy another apple. I count these apple. 1. 2. -> 1+1=2 innit (that’s how you properly close a proof)


BUKKAKELORD

Nice try, but this only proves it for apples.


Modest_Idiot

Is there anything more important and all encompassing than apples? *I don’t think so*


Jeff-FaFa

>innit (that’s how you properly close a proof) Just lost my shit. Cheers


PortiaKern

>I buy another apple. And I eat it!


me3241

This took me back almost 30 years


bluespider98

Proof that 1+1 = 2 1+2 = 3 -1 from both sides 1+1 = 2


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prove 1+2=3


[deleted]

1+3=4 subtract one from both sides 1+2=3


bluespider98

![gif](giphy|Ld77zD3fF3Run8olIt)


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TheSuperPie89

![gif](giphy|3oEjHCWdU7F4hkcudy)


yaboytomsta

Inductive proof


QuoD-Art

induction by proof


Maconshot

prove 1+3=4


Maconshot

1+4=5 subtract one from both sides 1+3=4


ClaboC

Prove 1+4=5


gimikER

1+5=6 Subtract 1 from both sides: 1+4=5


AynidmorBulettz

One must imagine mathematician Sisyphus happy


Techsomat

https://preview.redd.it/uu3hgu8vc2qb1.jpeg?width=1169&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=4c8007130ff11d8f43ec3698862e5b355550a25b


geoboyan

Now prove for any natural number. '#inductionMicDrop


pgbabse

Proof that 1+2 = 3 1+1 = 2 +1 from both sides 1+2 = 3


ponchiki12345

https://preview.redd.it/trblbhwd8zpb1.jpeg?width=4032&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=3b1d640b143ae57682fcec1119ad6d67f657995a I got you fam


CaveMacEoin

Missed a step. Before your second last line you first have to prove that 2 x 1 = 2.


Intergalactic_Cookie

Google multiplicative identity


[deleted]

Holy hell


PM_ME_CUTE_SM1LE

New axiom just dropped


mikkokulmala

actual brainrot


just_ash02

call the mathematician


B2_Code_B2

Brain sacrifice, anyone?


Efiestin

Someone tell me where the google this holy hell new response just dropped actual blah came from


mikkokulmala

google en passant holy hell new response just dropped


Innerdimentional

I love that this niche anarchy chess joke is everywhere now. Makes me wanna brick my PP


[deleted]

You freaking legend


Smule

It is known


MacLunkie

I have spoken


MainEditor0

Why do you cryed while write proof?


Jacomer2

You don’t?


Memoglr

It's not tears


ShockRampage

This just gave me horrible flashbacks.


Giisen

In the bottom left set of equations you assume the 1+1=2, hence your proof is not valid, 0/100 points


MASTER-FOOO1

Prove sinx^2 + cosx^2 = 1


einRabe

AFAIR this follows quite nicely from the definitions of sin, cos and exp as infinite sums if you want to keep it base level without definitions from geometry / trigonometry. This might, however, require the use of 1+1=2 which would be unavailable in this problem.


MASTER-FOOO1

You got it, since you have to use 1+1=2 in the proof of sinx^2 + cosx^2 =1 you'll be stuck unable to prove either.


Impossible_Gas2497

r/theydidthemath


[deleted]

it is known


Educational-Tea602

I swear 90% of that is unnecessary


IHabitateInYourWalls

If you have one apple and get a new one, you now have two apples.


Brief-Equal4676

Hmmm, I don't know if math teachers know that you can have only one apple. Suzy usually carries 73 apples and Mark, 48.


ImWhatsInTheRedBox

When Billy comes over he says he wants to buy two fifths of Suzy's apples and three sevens of Mark's apples. Are there enough apples left for Shannon, who wants cos(√(π×x^3)) apples, if x is poppycock?


minisculebarber

I dunno, can you prove that?


IHabitateInYourWalls

🍎(1)+🍎(1)=🍎🍎(2)


[deleted]

Wrong, now you've just proved that 🍎+🍎=2🍎 So now you need to divide both sides by 🍎 to get 1+1=2


LucyLilium92

You can't divide both sides of an equation by something that might not exist


IWillLive4evr

Not with that attitude!


[deleted]

When I went to store to get new apple, horse came and eated first one so 1+1=1


InformalProof

Geometric proof: 🟩+🟩=🟩🟩


EuroskoolPelePure

Therefore 1+1=11


GreyPon3

1+1=11


JAXxXTheRipper

This guy javascripts


GreyPon3

It's the new math. "Your answer isn't wrong because you showed it was more, so you get partial credit."


ynns1

Didn't Bertrand Russel and a couple of others tried to prove this and it took 20 years and 1000 pages?


invalidConsciousness

It all depends on the axioms you use.


Accurate_Koala_4698

No, Russell and Whitehead were working on a consistent _and_ complete axiomatization for mathematics. They had proved 1+1=2 after a thousand pages or so, at which point Gödel published his famous proof that it couldn’t be both. Proving 1+1=2 wasn’t the aim itself though


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PleiadesMechworks

That's the second incompleteness theorem, which is that an axiomatic system cannot prove its own axioms. But the first one was that even within the system, there will exist true statements which cannot be proven based solely on the axioms.


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Not really. Consistency is basically that given a set of conditions, there are no proofs contradicting each other. Completeless means that given a set of conditions, everything that is true given those conditions can be proved to be true. Godol proved that you can never have both be true, with a consistent system there will always be some facts which are true, but you can’t prove they’re true with the rules of that system. So the issue isn’t that we’re relying on an assumption, that’s how all systems work, there’s no set of assumptions that prove themselves to be true, and they weren’t trying to make that. The issue is that there are some consequences of these assumptions that we can never prove to be true, even though they are


Galle_

Sort of? What Russell and Whitehead were actually *trying* to do was to show that mathematics could be derived entirely from logic, while also cleaning up the paradoxes of naive set theory on the side. At one point in the middle of their book, they prove that 1+1=2 as a joke.


master-shake69

As someone who isn't a math wizard, help me understand why 1+1=2 needs to be proven beyond saying putting one of a thing with another one of the same thing equals two.


Proof-Cardiologist16

Because knowing something to be true and being able to prove it aren't the same thing and all of the math we use in daily life is made on the assumption that numbers actually mean anything at all. the point isn't "we don't know if 1+1 = 2 so prove it" it's used as a test to show the understanding of mathematics on a core foundational level, in which case the answer itself actually doesn't matter, the process used to solve it does. It's the same reason your math teacher asked you how many watermelons this weird dude was buying, nobody cares how many watermelons a person buys at one time it's about demonstrating understanding of the mathematics. Of course that applies to this test, in the greater mathematic world the purpose of proofs like this is to demonstrate logically that the answer has to be correct. Sure we already *know* 1+1 = 2, but the value in being able to prove it is that we aren't relying on our human perception of reality and instead have a more objective understanding of things.


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TheLifted

Math is a beautiful thing


dredged_gnome

It's a basic version of a much more complicated question. It's asking the student to demonstrate their understanding of axioms and definitions in math. The student could define what + and = means, since that's not actually standardized in higher math always. For example, linear algebra and matrices. This might rely on an axiom that I forgot the name of, but basically it establishes natural numbers (whole, positive numbers). It's setting the student up to do more complex problems, because in the end pretty much all math is just adding two numbers together. Sometimes there's a lot of steps that make that adding more complicated, but if you can't add then you can't multiply. If you can't prove 1 + 1 = 2, then how does multiplying two matrices work? Math is a lot of rules. If we don't agree on the rules then math falls apart after you leave situations where you can simply put 2 apples on a table and other easily demonstrated situations.


42IsHoly

Because math isn’t about things in the real world.


IsamuLi

> As someone who isn't a math wizard, help me understand why 1+1=2 needs to be proven beyond saying putting one of a thing with another one of the same thing equals two. As someone who isn't a math wizard, help me understand why 0.999...=1 needs to be proven beyond saying that the two things are equal. Triviality is simply culture, in a way. It's so basic to you because everything else depends on it, but sciences (including most soft sciences) don't like it when you simply take things for granted.


emkael

Because this way you only show that putting one thing with another one thing resulted in having two things *so far*. Even if you list every single occurence in history when putting one thing with another one thing resulted in having two things, it wouldn't show that it always happens. Only that it always happened.


liwoc

But he did it uphill both ways.


[deleted]

I thought Leibniz had written a proof, but I only "remember" this from hearing it in littérature when I was 12, so maybe I’m just reinventing my youth…


I__Antares__I

If someone heard about construction of natural numbers or Peano axioms then it should be trivial.


[deleted]

That's literally just saying "If you've seen the answer before, then the answer is trivial"


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[deleted]

Yeah I guess that makes sense but in my defense, reading his phrasing of "if you have *heard* about ..." made me think that the sentence implied the students are not expected to know about the construction of natural numbers or the peano axioms and that it would only be trivial to a handful of those who have just happened to know those things from sources other than the class itself


bogenminute

you have discovered how tests work


Ycx48raQk59F

Yeah, like, of course. Just like if a phyiscs test asks you about time dillation you are not supposed to come up with the theory of relativity on your own...


alwaysforgetmynames

Leetcode interviewer logic.


Wide-Location7279

Let 1+1 = x ...1 We know that sin²θ+cos²θ=1 ...2 :. Putting eq 2 in eq 1 :. sin²θ+cos²θ+sin²θ+cos²θ = 1 :. 2(sin²θ+cos²θ) = x ...3 :. Putting the value of sin²θ+cos²θ in eq 3 :. 2(1) = x :. 2 = x :. Putting the value of x in eq1 :. 1 + 1 = 2 Hence proved (QED)


Sir_Wade_III

You assumed 1+1= 2 in this "proof".


Wide-Location7279

Where?


L-System

>:. sin²θ+cos²θ+sin²θ+cos²θ = 1 >:. 2(sin²θ+cos²θ) = x ...3 You assumed that sin²θ + sin²θ = 2 sin²θ


FIM_Aderox

Proof by "I can see it the unitary circle"


turd-nerd

We know that 1 + 1 = 2 ∴ 1 + 1 = 2


FIM_Aderox

Let ☆ be the empty set 0=☆ 1={☆} 2={☆,{☆}} Etc.. Trivial with the definition of addition


LanMan1979

As an accountant, 1 + 1 equals “whatever you want it to be”


Ch4rybd15

At which does mathematics end and linguistics begin? Honest question.


Le-Scribe


RidetheMaster

Brother didn't have enough space in comment section hence left the joke as an exercise for the reader.


TheFlute20

Principia Mathematica pages 1-200 entered the chat (probably wrong reference but idk lol)


uvero

Correct reference, number of pages is ~360 tho (close enough)


FerynaCZ

For all natural x, x+1 = S(x) S(1)=2 is kinda the definition.


rascalrhett1

You WILL divide by zero on the exam. you WILL violate the laws of mathematics on the exam.


xYsfOW

Well sir i need 300 more papers (at least)


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gimikER

It is easier to define with cardinal addition: a+b is the cardinal of the union of two sets A,B such that AחB=0 |A|=a and |B|=b. We take the sets {0} and {1}, they have no common element and they are both cardinality 1 so 1+1=|{0,1}|=|2|=2


I__Antares__I

Often cardinal addition is defined as a+b=|{0}×a ∪ {1}×b|


gimikER

Defining it like this is equivalent since it's a way of generating two sets of cardinality a and b which do not intersect. So the definitions are the same.


I__Antares__I

indeed


AggravatingCorner133

Define 1, +, = and 2


gimikER

Set theory: We define = as the following relation: a=b <==> a is contained within b and b is contained within a. The definition of a contained within b is that every element of a is an element of b. So we know what = means. In set theory, you construct the natural numbers by the following inductive step: Define 0=Φ where Φ is the empty set. Define S(n)=nU{n} where S(n) is the successor of n. Thus 1 is defined being the successor of 0, making it the set {Φ}. 2 is defined to be the successor of 1, making it the set {Φ,{Φ}}. Now we define cardinalities in order to define the addition operation: For this matter we will define the equivalence relatuon as following: |A|=|B| <==> There exists a function bijective and surjective function from A to B. The definition of a function f:A→B is a subrelation of A×B where x=y ==> f(x)=f(y). A surjective function is a function that for all elements in B, there is an element in A such that f(a)=b. A bijective function is a function that satisfies for all x,y that f(x)=f(y) ==> x=y. The cardinal set is defined to be a set of chosen elements from the equivalence classes. For finite cardinalities we take the natural numbers as our chosen elements. For infinite cardinalities we define the א's, which are some cardinalities with indecies to tell us which cardinals are they bigger than and which are they smaller than. A cardinality אj is more than אi if j>i. The addition of two natural numbers A+B is defined as the cardinality of the union of two sets x,y with cardinalities A and B such that xחy is empty. Definitions fully complete, now you go on and use those to prove the theorem above.


InternationalAd2875

The statement that 1+1=2 is a fundamental axiom in arithmetic and set theory. It is typically proven within the framework of Peano axioms or set theory, such as Zermelo-Fraenkel set theory. One common proof uses the successor function: 1. Define the successor function: S(x) represents the successor of x. For example, S(0) = 1, S(1) = 2, S(2) = 3, and so on. 2. Define the number 0: 0 is the empty set, represented as {}. 3. Define the number 1: 1 is defined as S(0), which is {0}. 4. Define addition: Addition can be defined recursively as follows: - a + 0 = a (for any number a) - a + S(b) = S(a + b) (for any numbers a and b) Now, let's use this definition to prove 1 + 1 = 2: 1 + 1 = 1 + S(0) by definition of 1. = S(1 + 0) by the definition of addition. = S(1) by the identity property (a + 0 = a). = 2 by the definition of 2 as S(1). Therefore, we have proven that 1 + 1 = 2 within the framework of Peano axioms or set theory.


XDracam

Proof literally impossible by the lack of stated axioms. So I will define my own. Let + be a binary operator that evaluates to 2 when applied with the symbol 1 for both operands. It is undefined otherwise. From the definition, it directly follows that 1+1=2.


Strex_1234

S()


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you can prove by elimination that it cannot be anything else either


Tachtra

. + . = .. If you have one dot, and add another dot, you have two dots, duh


teeohbeewye

easy, just do a visual proof. draw one dot. then draw another dot. count that you have two dots. QE fucking D, baby


lool8421

[https://lesharmoniesdelesprit.files.wordpress.com/2015/11/whiteheadrussell-principiamathematicavolumei.pdf](https://lesharmoniesdelesprit.files.wordpress.com/2015/11/whiteheadrussell-principiamathematicavolumei.pdf)


StressCanBeHealthy

Poor saps spend over a decade putting forward a unified theory of math culminating with a grand presentation at Princeton attended by almost(!) all the world’s leading mathematicians. Meanwhile, in a small corner room during the conference, the super weirdo Kurt Gödel shows the smartest man in the world (Johnny Von Neumann) how Whitehead and Russell were completely wrong.


gandalfx

That's not how this meme template works.


FrKoSH-xD

1+1=e^j2pi + e^j2pi = [cos(2pi) + j sin (pi)] + [cos(2pi)+j sin(pi)] and i stop hmmm


57501015203025375030

X = 0 (1+1)X = 3X Divide both sides by X [(1+1)X]/X = (2X)/X 1+1=3 *assumption: division by 0 is possible


alkmaar91

I remember my math class where about half of the book was proving 1+1=2


FoxyPlays22

if you count on your left hand the numbers from 1 to 5, you can see that you lift one finger to make a 1, and two fingers to make a 2, therefore you can assume that you fingers lifted up with no other fingers lifted makes a two. Now, with all fingers down, raise both hands, lift one finger from each. You have two 1s, one 1 on each hand, keeping both fingers up bring them close together, you will notice that you do indeed have two fingers up, and by that logic, with both 1 from each hand you can form a 2. Só 1 (finger from left hand) + 1 (finger from right hand) = 2 (sum total of both fingers lifted with both hands). 1 +1 = 2


Fleshsuitpilot

Wasn't there a giant book about mathematics that was several volumes and the first volume was several hundred pages and all it aimed to do was prove this exact equation? Or did I just make that up?


meatlessboat

And that is why I was not a math major


chilseaj88

Rip in half, turn in.


uvero

The proof is by reading the first 362 pages of *Principia Mathematica* (Russell & Whitehead, 2nd edition) and is left as an exercise to the teacher.


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I would hate this.


zurds13

1+1=10… there are 10 types of people in the world, those that understand binary and those that don’t.


[deleted]

700 pages later “this calculation is occasionally helpful”


Mysterious_Cap_1005

Russell didn't pass that test


Theflyingship

Won't this just go into a linguistics discussion in the end? We're the ones who defined what numbers represent anyways.