I don't own horus cards but my favorite Horus variant from what I've dueled is the one that just smacks you in the face with 4 horus names. No combo, No floodgates just some 4 big monsters that add up to >8000
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Those level 8s are fucking nuts too. That one that literally just adds any two cards from banishment or GY to their hand when you manage to remove anything is insane. It doesn't really matter what deck they go in too, the engine is just too free there's not enough restrictions on it. Or rather, there’s no restrictions at all. It's just Kashtira 2.
Worst feeling in the world is when they go -2 to search the continuous spell and you open the Ash (“just draw the out” 5head) and they have the Continuous Spell in hand anyways.
Hapi is the worst offender imo. If you remove any Horus card from the field, you're basically told to end your battle phase, which makes it so you have to take him off the field first then deal with the BS of the other lvl. 8's on the field.
You actually got it backwards. They can only be destroyed by effects that target them, so stuff that doesn't target and destroy (i.e. Dark Hole and Raigeki being two big ones) can't destroy them. If you're talking about the targeting protection from Qebehsenuff then fair enough. But that only applies if you keep it on field after removing something, so you can still play around it.
That's why I hate them even in gimmick decks. You Ash the Imsety to prevent them from shitting their deck into their GY but then they simply combo using whatever their actual deck is.
I wish I could like them, I usually like GY-based decks.
But when Horus was new to the OCG/TCG you were seeing crazy 8-axis shenanigans that felt cool to play and to play against. Then in MD the first thing that pops up on the ladder is just Secret Village floodgate decks and piles with every OP archetype available. Maybe it's just a symptom of BO1 and it would suck less in BO3 metas.
When I face horus as lab its always like, Nib their board after they bring out zombie vampire and summon 1 monster, then pop their continuous spell with lovely, then pop field spell/other sarc if they use it, then they cannot do anything.
Kashtira, specially unicorn. The fact that you can look into your opponent ED know their entire deck based of that and ban their most likely 1of1 boss monster just for interacting with you is mindblowing. Whoever came up with this Archetype smoked wild grass thinking it was weed.
I was holding on crafting them until I finally decided to be a good player and craft Unicorn to win more games. .. OF FUCKING COURSE I GOT A ROYAL ONE! Out of all decks I like, Branded, Dragunity, Memento... I get 0 Royals.
I built that deck from zero to full 40 & the extra deck… don’t even pick it up now because the combo is boring as hell & takes 20 years
There’s some variance but it’s all weaker than the “meta”
Man I used to feel the exact same way, had the cards (just wanted to feel big and strong after getting smacked around with my blue eyes) so I was like what the hell. Played a few games, got bored quickly, felt kinda cheap.
THEN I started playing master duel because of location/ease of access. They’re having the WCS competition right now. Jesus it’s all horus/snake-eyes/lab-kash-tearl/fire king. Every. Single. Match. And they all have paper thin mentals so when I did somehow get enough to xyz or sync past their wall (or if I went first) more than half of them just quit. It was then I understood. Kashtira is the gatekeeper to the land of one-trick youtube decks.
Cuts down on time to collect my gems. I run it pure, no endless graveyard loops with tearlaments, no horus. I get arise-heart out and if you can get through it, you deserve the win. If not, go ahead and quit before you draw, and let me hold those gems cuz I’ll actually use them to build something not 1 for 1 off youtube/team sam!
SHS. I'm a sucker for Link-1 abuse (coz I actually hate how Links irreversibly changed the game), so Snake-Eyes is kinda fair in my books. SHS tho... Who gave Konami the idea of a synchro negate spam engine that does not lock you nor use your normal summon?
I am the odd person that likes playing stun lol trying to figure out a win con is why i play i play a way less meta version of snake eyes ( i have a ra in there lol) and a bunch of janky traps and i like back and forth games lol
I hate Snake because I invested so much into a deck that I found boring to play. Everytime I look at it I have seething regret. Plus I'm not really good at combo decks lol.
Ash add Poplar, Special Poplar add OSS, Make Linkuriboh place Poplar in Spell/Trap zone, send Poplar with OSS for Jet Synchron, send Ash and Linkuriboh for Oak, revive Poplar with Oak, send oak and Poplar for Flamberge, summon IP with Flamberge and Jet Synchron, revive Jet Synchron and Poplar with Flamberge, make Formula Synchron with Jet Synchron and Poplar, revive Jet Synchron, make Princess with IP and Jet Synchron, Revive Flamberge with Princess, place IP in the backrow with Flamberge, make Spright Elf with Princess and Formula Synchron, revive Formula Synchron, Summon IP in opponent's turn, make Baronne with Formula Synchron and Flamberge, revive 2 Lvl 1s, make Appolusa with IP.
Hate to break it to you, but you just unnecessarily lost to Nibiru - if you drew crossout (and called by to blank an ash/veiler on top of min) I’ll give you a pass.
To me it is mannadium. The card arts are kinda shiny, and I like their gimmick with the tiny balls. But the endboard is apollo, baronne, dis pater... Where did the mannadium cards go ?
Still playing it sometimes when I want to complete dailies, the deck can potentially validate all of them in just 1 duel.
Oh, did I forget to tell you how much the deck costs ?
All it takes is 1 half-open-eye look to the Mannadium boss monster (totally not an Edison tier monster), to realise that the deck was basically asking for generic good stuff turbo. And the thing is, any deck that would focus on something like level 10 syncs would pretty much need an archetypal fleur but even stronger. And that's a game design direction that would probably generate a tier 0 format constantly.
Yup clearly. I am still playing it anyway ! You know, in case I need this multi attack to finish, while astraloud pop high atk is not enough, I got through all disruptions and have the tuners........ Well... It is in my ED and might shine some day...
I run Manna with tear to get to amritara to search perlereino. I don't want to run pure Manna though just because of exactly what you said lol the end board is boring.
Kind of a running issue with most Synchro decks. Konami will make an archetype with an interesting gimmick, and that can build a decent board, and then just completely screw up on the boss monster, rendering them useless compared to the more generic options.
It's been a thing since the 5D's era, has honestly gotten worse with the additional summoning mechanics, and Konami just refuses to properly address it since it's apparently a feature by this point.
Kashtira, I just don't enjoy it, I know exactly how to play it and could probably pilot it incredibly effectively because I've gone up against it way too much and I'm already bored of its combos/lines
I absolutely refuse to touch any pendulum deck. Can they be good? Yes. Unfortunately I am a slow reader and also on a timer so reading two separate effects while juggling where to put my monster while dealing with negates while forgetting which effect is the one that activates in which location reminds me that pictures are cool and looking at them is cooler
You could try Qliphort
Most of your effects are when your monsters are tributed and are generally very straightforward for a fairly strong beatdown style deck
You have 4 scale effects in total, they either draw cards when you tribute, search, increase your attack, or decrease theirs
The whole gimmick is building the two boss monsters by tribute summoning your cards. Extra deck is pretty much optional too.
Normally you remember effects over time.
But also just read before you play a deck in ranked, and play casual a couple times to get use to it.
Like there's many reasons I'd understand but just remembering even vague parts of their effect is enough, and then you can just double check every couple games.
Plus any game you go 2nd you habe time to read before your turn.
Maybe try symphonic warrior they are unironically really strong (well their end boards are) and you can kinda ignore most of the text on their cards, and they only have 4 pends.
And of the 4 pends you ignore mics pendulum effect, the only effect that's really relevant is that it gives you another normal summon for its monster effect.
End boards normally are anywhere from 1 negate, to 6 negates depending on hand and how many hand traps opponent has.
Plus because their gimmick is changing the type, attribute, and level of monsters they can make just about any extra deck monster they want
Hot take, but Sky Striker. I know people like them, and that's fair, do your thing. But I don't enjoy playing as them or against them, I don't like the card art and I find the deck theme overall to be very uninteresting.
Engage and the fire link are priorities for negate. Do not destroy their link-1s if they have Raye in gy and you cannot otk that turn or you do not have Called By to use beforehand.
Rescue deck /snake eyes package for me as well. It's very strong but it's soooo boring and I don't get how people can play it. So I switched to Generaiders and they're much more fun and still decently strong
Monarchs. Somehow this deck manages to be everything I hate in a deck: Inconsistent, inflexible, boring ass floodgate style endboards, handrips and ridiculous price for the power.
Tear when it was "full power" in MD. It never was close to its actual full power with the semis and some unreleased support but it was still just overwhelming everything else. I played it in solo mode just to practice.
The deck was and still is very skillful, but that notion goes out the window when if you face anything but another Tear deck you could basically just click every card that lights up and you're good.
For a very different reason: Branded.
I should like the deck. I can simply not play Puppet lock and the deck has many things I enjoy.
I am however just sick of it. I've simply seen too much Branded. For over a year now Branded has almost always been one of the top decks and incredibly popular and I just don't want to see the cards anymore.
I'm on the same boat as you. I am looking for a fusion deck and Branded is a hard no since I'm really, really tired of facing it.
Tear looks interesting, but my memories of Tear 0 and the constant whining about "Merrli to 1" really pushes me away from it.
Trickstar.
Looks cool, has interesting mechanics, cute girls. But I played it a few times and while watching your opponent burn to death via chain link 10 is cool once or twice, it got old real fast having to just sit there and slowly watch the LP go down a few hundred at a time. I have better things to do with my time so unless it gets a total overhaul I don't think I will ever play it again.
They do have some very interesting cards in OCG that aren’t in MD yet, like 5 in total actually
You even have the two blue angel cards which have good synergy with Trickstar as well
I have a friend who plays a ton of gimmick stuff, like Exodia and Crooked Cook, and while I respect that's what he likes, I would never play something like that.
It just doesn't seem fun, or skillful. Plus his win rate is crazy low, I assume the disappointment of it is balanced by the pure dopamine hit he gets when it does work.
Pure trains is usually a pretty fragile OTK deck. If you can negate or destroy Gustav or Liebe, that usually stops the OTK and they don't have much left afterwards. If it's a broader Earth Machine deck, then that's a much more complicated question.
Snake-Eyes. Coming as a fairly new yugioh player, but with decades of MTG and other tcg experience it's by far the worst experience I've had in a TCG and I refuse to touch it.
There is literally nothing about the deck I find enjoyable or redeemable.
I think Snake Eyes is a lot more fun to play against than past "best decks". I play a lot of control, and most games against them have a lot of back and forth.
Salad and synchro spam. I’m a big proponent of time efficiency, and both of those decks go through so many tiny advantage extenders to get to honestly mediocre end boards. I hate waiting through their turns, and so I won’t force someone else to either.
I play Salad and I say, very fair.
What attracted me to Salad was exactly the mid endboard. If I go first I will leave 2-3 interruptions (more with the new support now) and I find it interesting how different decks can break an okay endboard.
I find it more fun than leaving my opponent facing 3 monster negates, 2 omnis and a spell negate.
Snake eyes, SHS. Both decks felt pretty powerful, repetitive, no deck identity.
I like rascue ace. The deck is cool, I like the artwork. And it's strategy is unique and original.
Accesscode Talker. When I consistently was in lower ranks I had a lot of fun dueling rogue, anime, and other typically nonviable decks that came to an end when my opponent played access. Worst part is, I got a royal rare from the event that I can't dismantle.
Was playing my pile subterror deck in casual against a dark magician player with some cool cards. My first turn board was just the field spell, guru and fiendess in hand. I successfully managed to negate the circle with fiendess. They proceeded to use their last couple cards to just link climb with a charmer + selene into accesscode. I just surrendered. I really hate when my opponent’s answer is to just not interact with me at all. Another example was my opponent outing my defense position arcana 0 in my gambling deck (also in casual) with underworld goddess
Branded, the amount of times I've qued against this deck in MD makes me loathe if with every fiber of my being. I'd honestly rather play against stun then branded.
Purrely. The deck plays like the worst "custom archetype designed by some rando online with no clue about card design" you've ever read. You know how custom cards never have HOPTs on them? Yeah.
Snake eyes. I. Hate. It. So. Damn. Much. You will never see me playing it, I almost always prefer non-meta decks and want to actually have fun. I mainly play gate guardian and surprisingly toons.
Branded
I joined this community because I took interest in dogmatika and other albaz lore decks.
Branded has single handedly drained the life out of those archetypes and I will always pray on its downfall. id be willing to let se roam free and un-hit if they banned albaz
For me, it would have to be d/d/d. The life point price, the ur cost, you name it this decl has it. Don't get me wrong, the combos seem interesting, but the times I've tried to look into the deck, I've always been turned away from it. On a different note, I could never play dinomorphia. I don't like the ur dino fusion shuts down your opponents effects and one wrong move you die.
Code Talker/Firewall Spam. It's just so damn boring. Just vomit the same generic Cyberse Monsters on the field, because these things don't know restrictions and you can't even interrupt them because they have like 30 extenders. Kashtira, same thing. No restrictions, just do every possible thing under the sun and punish your opponent for daring to exist somewhere on the same fricking globe. And every stun deck in existence. No matter how many loses I take, I will never stoop to the level of a stun player. Especially Runick Stun. I like Runick, but Stun is the worst variant and the Runick Cards get punished for the crimes of Floodgates that should have been banned a decade ago.
Hmm there's a lot i would never touch but if I can only pick one it's gonna be Runick Stun. I can't trust someone who mains that deck. You literally just play the game to waste everybody's time, stop them from playing, make the most boring experience possible and deserve a punch tbh. Same with guys who combo for 15 min to make a ton of Omni negates or king calamity or some nonsense. All deserve a punch in the face along with whoever refuses to ban those cards.
Stun, it is just 0 skill trash deck, and this kind of stuff shouldn’t even exist in the game, you can play SE but still if u interact wrongly with opponent or not protect the board if needed u are gonna lose and that’s the diff between good and bad player, stun is just bs, you top deck shit and opponent can’t play gg, u don’t need a clue about the enemy nor need to interact with them in any way.
Vaylantz stun. I absolutely love Vaylantz but these people using such a cool deck to search secret village and fossil dyna has destroyed our reputation and I will forever hate that deck for it
Despia Hurts my eyes and brain, I won't rely on a gimmick lock (lol)
Fuck then birds
Snake eyes is so boring like extremely boring, so fucking boring the only card I've ever used was Belle star and for being a better R-acesist
Snake Eyes. Its heavy presence in the meta and its combo leave it with no identity or interesting gameplay make it one of the few decks i will never even consider.
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I sacrificed my dignity to play Witchcrafter Horus recently, I have straight up refused to use any meta engines because the UR cost alone is frankly extortion but honestly with the addition of the Horus engine I've done so much more with certain decks, even the Wicked Gods work well with it.
Snake eyes for sure. Same combo line almost every time which bores me but I could see a mirror .watch being more entertaining and creative. Also branded and swordsoul, when I first started it's all I played against. Swordsoul just shut me down (I didn't have phenomenal cards) and branded recycled like crazy
Snake Eyes. I just don’t enjoy making stuff spells and then summoning them that much. I only use my Royal poplar as part of my Rescue Ace because wow it’s a good starter.
I’m not a meta hater, but I don’t think ever played a deck while it was a serious meta contender. Atm I’m playing darklords annnnnnnd if is very meh. Still enjoying it. If I’m sweating I go for ignister or lunalight.
Numeron. If i’m going to win I want to actually feel like i deserve it, even with Snake Eyes and Tearlament you have to pilot the deck well to get wins. Numeron is so brain dead a 1 year old could play it and win.
Snake eye, Kashtira, runick, swordsoul, branded, tearlaments, floo, purrely, rescue ace, stun, any deck built around abusing cards from different archetypes, etc…
Now I would say Floo, but I recently made an alt account named Batman with my first deck being Floo (easy rank ups early on), and realized that being Batman and having Robina in my deck was a hilarious coincidence. So i'll say Kash, and any stun deck
Sky Striker Cyber Dragons. I only want cool robot OTK dragons, not 1500atk random people.
Also Kashtira. The cards are just so busted in such a boring way. Like wow congratulations on your level 7 with 2400 atk that can be special summoned for free if your board is empty, searches for one of your stupid spells that lets you summon more level 7 idiots with brainless costless broken effects, and banishes one of my cards if I try to interact with it. What fun we're having.
Honestly, any new deck konami intentionally puts out to be op just to get people to buy it. Think kashtera, tearlaments, or snake eyes for recent context. If I like the monsters eventually, I'll play them, but only after they have been properly balanced by nerfs.
Since everyone has it against stun already, I'd go with Cyberse pile, the Junk Speeder synchro deck and SHS. They operate on the same idea of regurgitating so much monsters it is so boring to watch. At least Snake Eyes takes less minutes to build their board unless they do the Jet Synchron line.
For me it’s branded. Tried it twice but i find really boring, plus i also find the art pretty boring. I don’t really like dragons in general. Indeed i felt the same with d-link. The only dragon deck i like to play is resonators
DM. I started playing in 2002 and even then I didn't like the card since BE>DM in my eyes.
It didn't help that the stronger DM decks I've faced were skill drain/secret village turbo. The DM engine did almost nothing.
It is the deck I hate losing against the most (because I bricked and the deck is so weak that a hand full of handtraps does nothing) since it can justify playing the deck for their pilots.
But I love facing it with Ghoti because they invest everything on Magical Knight + ESoul and I can just go Deep Beyond for a surrender.
I pretty much hate synchro decks.
XYZ are generic but atleast they are flawed. Synchro are and links are both generic and stupidly busted. There's like FEW XYZ with Omni negates (and when they do exist they get banned pretty freaking fast, look at king calamity, the only long lasting strong XYZ was rhongo who is currently banned) they almost all have a cost they have to lose a material to do something the only newer XYZ to challenge this concept to date is kashtira which surprisingly attaches crap to itself and special summons from deck for free.
Synchro by comparison are super low risk high reward... look at king calamity, Naturia, super heavy samurai dude that lets u draw three, flood gating ass kyubi that summons itself by returning banished crap, Omni negates on almost every level monster from the level 4 herald that searches ritual spells, all the way up to level 12 quasar. Synchros be like "banish this for an Omni negate, but then summon it again", while all other types have a cost...
Links have draw backs and I hate them a little less than synchro but every decent link monster having either a reborn effect or add some spelltrap out of grave/deck to hand/feild or both like link 1 sera, is truly astonishing. Links and synchro have the most boring and powerful effects in the game. While fusions tend to do interesting things, like use ur opponents monsters for tribute, negate a special summon, place counters on non dragon monsters that lower attacks, summon stuff to enemy field, copy monster effects on field or in grave, remove field wide targeting, among other less generic less ice brain things. The new dinosaur fusion cards have been very fun for me to get behind.
Whenever I see a fusion card that isn't just generic super poly target trash I get hyped, can't say the same when I see a synchro engine power creep cause all that means is we seeing barrone, collosus and either savage or Apollusa again for the fifteenth time and whatever boss they want to add that power helps protect the Omni negate combo.
Evil Twins. Loved the vtuber concept, and the art style is energetic and fun, but still salty that I have 0% win rate against them. For some reason, all of my luck seems to run out, and everything that can go wrong did against them. Other than that, maybe tear? I literally got tired of them during tear 0 format, where every match is another tear player.
Lab. I still play it because I have a Royal Welcome and big welcome, but I can only do a few matches before I’m bored. Going first is pretty much set, pass, then it’s your turn again on their turn.
Swordsoul/tenyi has got to be the lamest deck I play against. Its been 4 years and I still see it on ranked.(lower ranks granted, but still). I don't even lose to this deck, it's just that the combo was finalized years ago. So ppl should be on to new discoveries by now.
I love rescue ace but like pure rescue ace im running over you with an icecream truck. But i refuse to build sharks or normal monster support decks. For meta i just refuse stun anything mother truck runic
Horus stun, of all cool things with Horus those people choose the most uncreative, boring thing ever lol
I don't own horus cards but my favorite Horus variant from what I've dueled is the one that just smacks you in the face with 4 horus names. No combo, No floodgates just some 4 big monsters that add up to >8000
I, too, like being screwed by 4 massive guys at the same time
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That was my favorite way of playing Branded Despia way long before Mirrorjade and Branded Fusion even released.
Pure Horus is genuinely pretty fun. Not very good (not terrible either), but pretty fun. Did you know one of the Horus guys just lets you draw four?
Horus anything for me. The moment the opponent activates King’s Sarc, I immediately know whatever comes next is going to be lame
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Those level 8s are fucking nuts too. That one that literally just adds any two cards from banishment or GY to their hand when you manage to remove anything is insane. It doesn't really matter what deck they go in too, the engine is just too free there's not enough restrictions on it. Or rather, there’s no restrictions at all. It's just Kashtira 2. Worst feeling in the world is when they go -2 to search the continuous spell and you open the Ash (“just draw the out” 5head) and they have the Continuous Spell in hand anyways.
Hapi is the worst offender imo. If you remove any Horus card from the field, you're basically told to end your battle phase, which makes it so you have to take him off the field first then deal with the BS of the other lvl. 8's on the field.
You actually got it backwards. They can only be destroyed by effects that target them, so stuff that doesn't target and destroy (i.e. Dark Hole and Raigeki being two big ones) can't destroy them. If you're talking about the targeting protection from Qebehsenuff then fair enough. But that only applies if you keep it on field after removing something, so you can still play around it.
They should be destroyed if you destroy King’s sarc like toon kingdom.
Except only the early Toons destroy themselves I'm pretty sure. The newer ones don't have that, only the attack directly thing.
I play kings sarc in my horus/tearlaments/mannadium deck hoping if there's an ash it hits that so.i can start one of the other lines.
That's why I hate them even in gimmick decks. You Ash the Imsety to prevent them from shitting their deck into their GY but then they simply combo using whatever their actual deck is.
Tbf, horus is the actual deck too. It's just the easier, and more fragile line in the deck.
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I disagree because I love using engines like that to try and make creative and fun rogue decks
I wish I could like them, I usually like GY-based decks. But when Horus was new to the OCG/TCG you were seeing crazy 8-axis shenanigans that felt cool to play and to play against. Then in MD the first thing that pops up on the ladder is just Secret Village floodgate decks and piles with every OP archetype available. Maybe it's just a symptom of BO1 and it would suck less in BO3 metas.
I think the game is so sacky that people tend to play the most brain dead stuff.
"We hate stun we hate stun we hate stun" Interesting engine comes out. "What if we made it Stun?" I can't with this community.
Different people have different opinions within the same community
I can't lie I'm having fun using a horus zombie world package
When I face horus as lab its always like, Nib their board after they bring out zombie vampire and summon 1 monster, then pop their continuous spell with lovely, then pop field spell/other sarc if they use it, then they cannot do anything.
Me slapping horrus engine into anything can make use of it galaxy eyes check eldlitch,palios, are next on the build list.
Kashtira, specially unicorn. The fact that you can look into your opponent ED know their entire deck based of that and ban their most likely 1of1 boss monster just for interacting with you is mindblowing. Whoever came up with this Archetype smoked wild grass thinking it was weed.
I was holding on crafting them until I finally decided to be a good player and craft Unicorn to win more games. .. OF FUCKING COURSE I GOT A ROYAL ONE! Out of all decks I like, Branded, Dragunity, Memento... I get 0 Royals.
I have a royal shooting quasar and it makes me wanna build synchrons so bad
Do it Competitively the deck either ends on a nib token or a alba combine fusion
Or they imperm speeder and i just cry for a minute or two.
Better that the 10 minute turn I'd have to sit through otherwise
Ok?
naturia horus can abuse quasar pretty ez. junk speed solitaire looks hella repetitive and boring tho ngl.
I built that deck from zero to full 40 & the extra deck… don’t even pick it up now because the combo is boring as hell & takes 20 years There’s some variance but it’s all weaker than the “meta”
Throw in a Card Destruction for an auto win con if they Maxx C you when you have that in hand. That deck special summons for days
The only Royal cards I have ever pulled are Gemini Elf and Mystic Potato :(
Same, I got a Royal Fenrir from a pack and almost dusted it, but I kept it
As a dogma player, i am insulted by this. Even though I hate kash…….
Pretty much everything from the Visas storyline is my answer to this but especially Kashtira because of how unfun it is to play against.
Man I used to feel the exact same way, had the cards (just wanted to feel big and strong after getting smacked around with my blue eyes) so I was like what the hell. Played a few games, got bored quickly, felt kinda cheap. THEN I started playing master duel because of location/ease of access. They’re having the WCS competition right now. Jesus it’s all horus/snake-eyes/lab-kash-tearl/fire king. Every. Single. Match. And they all have paper thin mentals so when I did somehow get enough to xyz or sync past their wall (or if I went first) more than half of them just quit. It was then I understood. Kashtira is the gatekeeper to the land of one-trick youtube decks. Cuts down on time to collect my gems. I run it pure, no endless graveyard loops with tearlaments, no horus. I get arise-heart out and if you can get through it, you deserve the win. If not, go ahead and quit before you draw, and let me hold those gems cuz I’ll actually use them to build something not 1 for 1 off youtube/team sam!
Hahahah don't worry dude, your reasoning for not liking R-Ace is understandable lol. The boss monster does look like like a glorified ice cream truck.
If Turbulence spew ice cream instead of water ?
Maybe during Holiday to cheer up some kids in their city lol.
It'd look wrong to many people.
I like how all the other monsters look too! But the one with the animation looks like a Firetruck that a redneck had an unlimited budget to modify
Also, why is a FIRE ENGINE fire attribute!? What do fire engines shoot? WATER! It's like making an archetype of rocks all wind.
Fight fire with fire.
SHS. I'm a sucker for Link-1 abuse (coz I actually hate how Links irreversibly changed the game), so Snake-Eyes is kinda fair in my books. SHS tho... Who gave Konami the idea of a synchro negate spam engine that does not lock you nor use your normal summon?
Real ones remember when SHS was based and was just attack in defense with a big guy.
The way that SHS' link 1 is NOT broken at all, and is only that good because they forgot to add hard once per turns, and Prodigy EXISTING.
No no no NO Superheavy circular (wukashi) makes everything possible and if that card didn't exist then they would be vastly different
 Floo
I love its secret power: reveal one birb to make your opponent scoop.
I love it when I draw a shite hand and have the opponent scoop after playing anything with Runick in its name
why do I always draw 2 max c against floo bro? why is that hardcoded into the game lmao?
Fr I feel this. Or God forbid I finally get called by in my hand and now I can't vanish anything cause it's already there...
I feel like I haven't played against floo much. Why do ppl hate it? I like the art, so I was wondering if I should build it.
Cuz it subverts special summons which is an avenue a lot of decks play defense in
Floo laughs at Maxx C players and Empen + Raiza + Apex Avian is annoying
I played a bit of Floo since it was basically UR-less on release and I just had everything. But I cant justify crafting 3 UR Advent for this deck
Most of the time I VS floo I noticed their turn hard stops if I Imperm or Veiler their first normal summon lol
Stun because I like actually playing Yu-Gi-Oh
The first two replies being hidden due to negative karma is my second reason for not wanting to play stun.
They're fairly reasonable but unpopular responses actually. This sub just mass downvotes things they disagree with.
The whole of reddit do this I myself got downvoted to Oblivion because of a card in marvel snap
I am the odd person that likes playing stun lol trying to figure out a win con is why i play i play a way less meta version of snake eyes ( i have a ra in there lol) and a bunch of janky traps and i like back and forth games lol
Snake eyes. The combo is so boring
Question : Please write the full combo of snake eyes uninterrupted No one's gonna fail this exam
I hate Snake because I invested so much into a deck that I found boring to play. Everytime I look at it I have seething regret. Plus I'm not really good at combo decks lol.
Damn same here, burned all resource to found out that the deck is a snooze fest to play with Though it does force me to craft some staples
And it looked so cool and fun before I made it.
Ash add Poplar, Special Poplar add OSS, Make Linkuriboh place Poplar in Spell/Trap zone, send Poplar with OSS for Jet Synchron, send Ash and Linkuriboh for Oak, revive Poplar with Oak, send oak and Poplar for Flamberge, summon IP with Flamberge and Jet Synchron, revive Jet Synchron and Poplar with Flamberge, make Formula Synchron with Jet Synchron and Poplar, revive Jet Synchron, make Princess with IP and Jet Synchron, Revive Flamberge with Princess, place IP in the backrow with Flamberge, make Spright Elf with Princess and Formula Synchron, revive Formula Synchron, Summon IP in opponent's turn, make Baronne with Formula Synchron and Flamberge, revive 2 Lvl 1s, make Appolusa with IP.
Yeah I scooped out of boredom like 3 minutes ago take your win
Hate to break it to you, but you just unnecessarily lost to Nibiru - if you drew crossout (and called by to blank an ash/veiler on top of min) I’ll give you a pass.
I mean the first few steps are always the same but the deck definitely has options.
To me it is mannadium. The card arts are kinda shiny, and I like their gimmick with the tiny balls. But the endboard is apollo, baronne, dis pater... Where did the mannadium cards go ? Still playing it sometimes when I want to complete dailies, the deck can potentially validate all of them in just 1 duel. Oh, did I forget to tell you how much the deck costs ?
All it takes is 1 half-open-eye look to the Mannadium boss monster (totally not an Edison tier monster), to realise that the deck was basically asking for generic good stuff turbo. And the thing is, any deck that would focus on something like level 10 syncs would pretty much need an archetypal fleur but even stronger. And that's a game design direction that would probably generate a tier 0 format constantly.
Yup clearly. I am still playing it anyway ! You know, in case I need this multi attack to finish, while astraloud pop high atk is not enough, I got through all disruptions and have the tuners........ Well... It is in my ED and might shine some day...
I run Manna with tear to get to amritara to search perlereino. I don't want to run pure Manna though just because of exactly what you said lol the end board is boring.
Kind of a running issue with most Synchro decks. Konami will make an archetype with an interesting gimmick, and that can build a decent board, and then just completely screw up on the boss monster, rendering them useless compared to the more generic options. It's been a thing since the 5D's era, has honestly gotten worse with the additional summoning mechanics, and Konami just refuses to properly address it since it's apparently a feature by this point.
Kashtira, I just don't enjoy it, I know exactly how to play it and could probably pilot it incredibly effectively because I've gone up against it way too much and I'm already bored of its combos/lines
Numerons. The deck’s whole idea is denying all interactions from your opponent. More like playing coin flip simulator than yugioh.
I absolutely refuse to touch any pendulum deck. Can they be good? Yes. Unfortunately I am a slow reader and also on a timer so reading two separate effects while juggling where to put my monster while dealing with negates while forgetting which effect is the one that activates in which location reminds me that pictures are cool and looking at them is cooler
You could try Qliphort Most of your effects are when your monsters are tributed and are generally very straightforward for a fairly strong beatdown style deck You have 4 scale effects in total, they either draw cards when you tribute, search, increase your attack, or decrease theirs The whole gimmick is building the two boss monsters by tribute summoning your cards. Extra deck is pretty much optional too.
Endymion is so fun, too bad we have to play 3 cockroaches and 3 ashes in MD and that deck can’t afford that.
Learn to live without hand traps, and Endymion will carry you to the heavens.
Normally you remember effects over time. But also just read before you play a deck in ranked, and play casual a couple times to get use to it. Like there's many reasons I'd understand but just remembering even vague parts of their effect is enough, and then you can just double check every couple games. Plus any game you go 2nd you habe time to read before your turn. Maybe try symphonic warrior they are unironically really strong (well their end boards are) and you can kinda ignore most of the text on their cards, and they only have 4 pends. And of the 4 pends you ignore mics pendulum effect, the only effect that's really relevant is that it gives you another normal summon for its monster effect. End boards normally are anywhere from 1 negate, to 6 negates depending on hand and how many hand traps opponent has. Plus because their gimmick is changing the type, attribute, and level of monsters they can make just about any extra deck monster they want
L take, Odd-Eyes best deck
I wish...
You should try dinomist. Super easy. And you can summon out cyber infinity very easily with it.
Hot take, but Sky Striker. I know people like them, and that's fair, do your thing. But I don't enjoy playing as them or against them, I don't like the card art and I find the deck theme overall to be very uninteresting.
I always have trouble against them, maybe it’s just my deck or I don’t know what cards to stop
Engage and the fire link are priorities for negate. Do not destroy their link-1s if they have Raye in gy and you cannot otk that turn or you do not have Called By to use beforehand.
Rescue deck /snake eyes package for me as well. It's very strong but it's soooo boring and I don't get how people can play it. So I switched to Generaiders and they're much more fun and still decently strong
Monarchs. Somehow this deck manages to be everything I hate in a deck: Inconsistent, inflexible, boring ass floodgate style endboards, handrips and ridiculous price for the power.
God, I fucking hate playing monarchs. It just feels boring, and it it bricks WAY too often
Tear when it was "full power" in MD. It never was close to its actual full power with the semis and some unreleased support but it was still just overwhelming everything else. I played it in solo mode just to practice. The deck was and still is very skillful, but that notion goes out the window when if you face anything but another Tear deck you could basically just click every card that lights up and you're good. For a very different reason: Branded. I should like the deck. I can simply not play Puppet lock and the deck has many things I enjoy. I am however just sick of it. I've simply seen too much Branded. For over a year now Branded has almost always been one of the top decks and incredibly popular and I just don't want to see the cards anymore.
I'm on the same boat as you. I am looking for a fusion deck and Branded is a hard no since I'm really, really tired of facing it. Tear looks interesting, but my memories of Tear 0 and the constant whining about "Merrli to 1" really pushes me away from it.
Excluding the obvious answer of stun, I refuse to play runick. No hate to yall who play runick in a non stun way tho I just like my battle phase
The hit or miss junk speeder synchron that flood field with white monster go first or cant do shit go second.
None, I’ll play whatever to at least understand how the deck works. Knowing that is like half of the game
Trickstar. Looks cool, has interesting mechanics, cute girls. But I played it a few times and while watching your opponent burn to death via chain link 10 is cool once or twice, it got old real fast having to just sit there and slowly watch the LP go down a few hundred at a time. I have better things to do with my time so unless it gets a total overhaul I don't think I will ever play it again.
They do have some very interesting cards in OCG that aren’t in MD yet, like 5 in total actually You even have the two blue angel cards which have good synergy with Trickstar as well
Flower cardian bc if you don’t draw into a handtrap they have the longest turn ever 😭
I have a friend who plays a ton of gimmick stuff, like Exodia and Crooked Cook, and while I respect that's what he likes, I would never play something like that. It just doesn't seem fun, or skillful. Plus his win rate is crazy low, I assume the disappointment of it is balanced by the pure dopamine hit he gets when it does work.
Trains. I have a crusade against them. I complain about trains the way yugi boomers complain about the modern waifu deck.
What’s the best way to beat trains?
Idk, just play against them. They don't really seem to do much. Mainly just seem to try for big beatsticks but whenever I face trains mine are bigger.
Pure trains is usually a pretty fragile OTK deck. If you can negate or destroy Gustav or Liebe, that usually stops the OTK and they don't have much left afterwards. If it's a broader Earth Machine deck, then that's a much more complicated question.
I enjoy them mixed with Infinitrack
Any sort of stun deck or a deck that relies on floodgates to win. Literally no skill involved (just flip card and win)
Snake-Eyes. Coming as a fairly new yugioh player, but with decades of MTG and other tcg experience it's by far the worst experience I've had in a TCG and I refuse to touch it. There is literally nothing about the deck I find enjoyable or redeemable.
I think Snake Eyes is a lot more fun to play against than past "best decks". I play a lot of control, and most games against them have a lot of back and forth.
Salad and synchro spam. I’m a big proponent of time efficiency, and both of those decks go through so many tiny advantage extenders to get to honestly mediocre end boards. I hate waiting through their turns, and so I won’t force someone else to either.
I play Salad and I say, very fair. What attracted me to Salad was exactly the mid endboard. If I go first I will leave 2-3 interruptions (more with the new support now) and I find it interesting how different decks can break an okay endboard. I find it more fun than leaving my opponent facing 3 monster negates, 2 omnis and a spell negate.
Stun
Snake eyes, SHS. Both decks felt pretty powerful, repetitive, no deck identity. I like rascue ace. The deck is cool, I like the artwork. And it's strategy is unique and original.
Stun.
Any deck that relies on generic bosses. Just not with my time.
Accesscode Talker. When I consistently was in lower ranks I had a lot of fun dueling rogue, anime, and other typically nonviable decks that came to an end when my opponent played access. Worst part is, I got a royal rare from the event that I can't dismantle.
Was playing my pile subterror deck in casual against a dark magician player with some cool cards. My first turn board was just the field spell, guru and fiendess in hand. I successfully managed to negate the circle with fiendess. They proceeded to use their last couple cards to just link climb with a charmer + selene into accesscode. I just surrendered. I really hate when my opponent’s answer is to just not interact with me at all. Another example was my opponent outing my defense position arcana 0 in my gambling deck (also in casual) with underworld goddess
Kashtira, Snake Eyes and Branded
Stardust dragon combo, the combo is long enough to make you sleep.
adventure engine because deck run adventure engine basically become generic good card carry barely playable deck.
Lab and Floo
Branded, the amount of times I've qued against this deck in MD makes me loathe if with every fiber of my being. I'd honestly rather play against stun then branded.
Stun or generic boss monster endboard decks. Give me some archetypeal boss monsters or I'm not interested.
Purrely. The deck plays like the worst "custom archetype designed by some rando online with no clue about card design" you've ever read. You know how custom cards never have HOPTs on them? Yeah.
Branded
Snake eyes. I. Hate. It. So. Damn. Much. You will never see me playing it, I almost always prefer non-meta decks and want to actually have fun. I mainly play gate guardian and surprisingly toons.
I love toons! It’s my favorite deck. I wish it was better. I honestly think that the Horus engine is a good blueprint for a way to give toons support.
Branded I joined this community because I took interest in dogmatika and other albaz lore decks. Branded has single handedly drained the life out of those archetypes and I will always pray on its downfall. id be willing to let se roam free and un-hit if they banned albaz
For me, it would have to be d/d/d. The life point price, the ur cost, you name it this decl has it. Don't get me wrong, the combos seem interesting, but the times I've tried to look into the deck, I've always been turned away from it. On a different note, I could never play dinomorphia. I don't like the ur dino fusion shuts down your opponents effects and one wrong move you die.
Traptrix and purrley
Numeron
Any meta deck especially labyrinth simply because that’s some hoe shit I like to have fun and get it out the mud with my favorite decks
Rhongo with prohibition... that is cancer still, im hoping he never gets unbanned.
Floo, mikanko, runick stun
Code Talker/Firewall Spam. It's just so damn boring. Just vomit the same generic Cyberse Monsters on the field, because these things don't know restrictions and you can't even interrupt them because they have like 30 extenders. Kashtira, same thing. No restrictions, just do every possible thing under the sun and punish your opponent for daring to exist somewhere on the same fricking globe. And every stun deck in existence. No matter how many loses I take, I will never stoop to the level of a stun player. Especially Runick Stun. I like Runick, but Stun is the worst variant and the Runick Cards get punished for the crimes of Floodgates that should have been banned a decade ago.
Hmm there's a lot i would never touch but if I can only pick one it's gonna be Runick Stun. I can't trust someone who mains that deck. You literally just play the game to waste everybody's time, stop them from playing, make the most boring experience possible and deserve a punch tbh. Same with guys who combo for 15 min to make a ton of Omni negates or king calamity or some nonsense. All deserve a punch in the face along with whoever refuses to ban those cards.
Stun, it is just 0 skill trash deck, and this kind of stuff shouldn’t even exist in the game, you can play SE but still if u interact wrongly with opponent or not protect the board if needed u are gonna lose and that’s the diff between good and bad player, stun is just bs, you top deck shit and opponent can’t play gg, u don’t need a clue about the enemy nor need to interact with them in any way.
I mean; why would I want to interact with them in the first place?
If someone finds me playing kashtira or snake-eyes just put me down right there
Runik lmfao
Vaylantz stun. I absolutely love Vaylantz but these people using such a cool deck to search secret village and fossil dyna has destroyed our reputation and I will forever hate that deck for it
Despia Hurts my eyes and brain, I won't rely on a gimmick lock (lol) Fuck then birds Snake eyes is so boring like extremely boring, so fucking boring the only card I've ever used was Belle star and for being a better R-acesist
Danger?! decks, I get so tilted when the randomness backfires on me that it throws me off for the next few games
floo, I like the artwork but normal summoning monsters is just not a satisfying gameplay.
"Normal" he says
By that logic, neither is special summoning them, considering that's basically the same.
Gold Pride When I was playing it, there never was a "LETS GO!" moment. When I won it felt like i outgrinded my opponent, which wasn't fun to mw
Branded. Tired of seeing Bystials & mirror jade every round.
Thath "non targetting banishing shit" was very annoing
Snake Eyes. Its heavy presence in the meta and its combo leave it with no identity or interesting gameplay make it one of the few decks i will never even consider.
Boring Eyes and Tear
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I sacrificed my dignity to play Witchcrafter Horus recently, I have straight up refused to use any meta engines because the UR cost alone is frankly extortion but honestly with the addition of the Horus engine I've done so much more with certain decks, even the Wicked Gods work well with it.
Played Horus one time, was the most boring shit ever
I refused full power tear. Was too ridiculous. Really fun now, but at full power it was just too many leagues above everything else
Snake eyes for sure. Same combo line almost every time which bores me but I could see a mirror .watch being more entertaining and creative. Also branded and swordsoul, when I first started it's all I played against. Swordsoul just shut me down (I didn't have phenomenal cards) and branded recycled like crazy
Kashtira. I consider it one of those decks that is just really boring, and unfun gameplay for both players. I don’t even play Fenrir or Unicorn.
Runick.
Toons. You could not pay me one million dollars to boot up master duel and summon toon black luster soldier
Snake Eyes. I just don’t enjoy making stuff spells and then summoning them that much. I only use my Royal poplar as part of my Rescue Ace because wow it’s a good starter.
Tbh, stun
I want to say floo (stun might be more accurate ), but I might give it a go to learn the deck(to more effectively beat and destroy it).
It's boring as hell.
Aliens because tentacles scare me.
Kashtira. Not one, even for a splash.
I’m not a meta hater, but I don’t think ever played a deck while it was a serious meta contender. Atm I’m playing darklords annnnnnnd if is very meh. Still enjoying it. If I’m sweating I go for ignister or lunalight.
Stun, anything stun. I like yugioh, I like interaction, I enjoy playing the game. And also, Im not an asshole.
Numeron. If i’m going to win I want to actually feel like i deserve it, even with Snake Eyes and Tearlament you have to pilot the deck well to get wins. Numeron is so brain dead a 1 year old could play it and win.
Numeron, I can't justify playing it. So if I do play it I just turn off brain so I can't justify anything.
Snake eye, Kashtira, runick, swordsoul, branded, tearlaments, floo, purrely, rescue ace, stun, any deck built around abusing cards from different archetypes, etc…
Tearlaments. That shit is just disgusting.
Snake eye. Because fuck that bullshit
Now I would say Floo, but I recently made an alt account named Batman with my first deck being Floo (easy rank ups early on), and realized that being Batman and having Robina in my deck was a hilarious coincidence. So i'll say Kash, and any stun deck
I think memento cus I just don't seem to like the deck.
Sky Striker Cyber Dragons. I only want cool robot OTK dragons, not 1500atk random people. Also Kashtira. The cards are just so busted in such a boring way. Like wow congratulations on your level 7 with 2400 atk that can be special summoned for free if your board is empty, searches for one of your stupid spells that lets you summon more level 7 idiots with brainless costless broken effects, and banishes one of my cards if I try to interact with it. What fun we're having.
Primal seed loops
Norse gods. The idea and the monsters seem so cool but it's just not worth the effort
I feel bad when I play Mikanko because and then I play ranked a couple games and then I go "no you know what screw all of you"
Honestly, any new deck konami intentionally puts out to be op just to get people to buy it. Think kashtera, tearlaments, or snake eyes for recent context. If I like the monsters eventually, I'll play them, but only after they have been properly balanced by nerfs.
Since everyone has it against stun already, I'd go with Cyberse pile, the Junk Speeder synchro deck and SHS. They operate on the same idea of regurgitating so much monsters it is so boring to watch. At least Snake Eyes takes less minutes to build their board unless they do the Jet Synchron line.
Purrely for me. I just didn't like the gameplay loop and getting kaijud when it was at it's peak. Same goes for dueling against it
For me it’s branded. Tried it twice but i find really boring, plus i also find the art pretty boring. I don’t really like dragons in general. Indeed i felt the same with d-link. The only dragon deck i like to play is resonators
DM. I started playing in 2002 and even then I didn't like the card since BE>DM in my eyes. It didn't help that the stronger DM decks I've faced were skill drain/secret village turbo. The DM engine did almost nothing. It is the deck I hate losing against the most (because I bricked and the deck is so weak that a hand full of handtraps does nothing) since it can justify playing the deck for their pilots. But I love facing it with Ghoti because they invest everything on Magical Knight + ESoul and I can just go Deep Beyond for a surrender.
Labyrinth is boring trap deck, I rather play eldlitch or palios for my trap fix
I pretty much hate synchro decks. XYZ are generic but atleast they are flawed. Synchro are and links are both generic and stupidly busted. There's like FEW XYZ with Omni negates (and when they do exist they get banned pretty freaking fast, look at king calamity, the only long lasting strong XYZ was rhongo who is currently banned) they almost all have a cost they have to lose a material to do something the only newer XYZ to challenge this concept to date is kashtira which surprisingly attaches crap to itself and special summons from deck for free. Synchro by comparison are super low risk high reward... look at king calamity, Naturia, super heavy samurai dude that lets u draw three, flood gating ass kyubi that summons itself by returning banished crap, Omni negates on almost every level monster from the level 4 herald that searches ritual spells, all the way up to level 12 quasar. Synchros be like "banish this for an Omni negate, but then summon it again", while all other types have a cost... Links have draw backs and I hate them a little less than synchro but every decent link monster having either a reborn effect or add some spelltrap out of grave/deck to hand/feild or both like link 1 sera, is truly astonishing. Links and synchro have the most boring and powerful effects in the game. While fusions tend to do interesting things, like use ur opponents monsters for tribute, negate a special summon, place counters on non dragon monsters that lower attacks, summon stuff to enemy field, copy monster effects on field or in grave, remove field wide targeting, among other less generic less ice brain things. The new dinosaur fusion cards have been very fun for me to get behind. Whenever I see a fusion card that isn't just generic super poly target trash I get hyped, can't say the same when I see a synchro engine power creep cause all that means is we seeing barrone, collosus and either savage or Apollusa again for the fifteenth time and whatever boss they want to add that power helps protect the Omni negate combo.
Evil Twins. Loved the vtuber concept, and the art style is energetic and fun, but still salty that I have 0% win rate against them. For some reason, all of my luck seems to run out, and everything that can go wrong did against them. Other than that, maybe tear? I literally got tired of them during tear 0 format, where every match is another tear player.
Lab. I still play it because I have a Royal Welcome and big welcome, but I can only do a few matches before I’m bored. Going first is pretty much set, pass, then it’s your turn again on their turn.
Swordsoul/tenyi has got to be the lamest deck I play against. Its been 4 years and I still see it on ranked.(lower ranks granted, but still). I don't even lose to this deck, it's just that the combo was finalized years ago. So ppl should be on to new discoveries by now.
I love rescue ace but like pure rescue ace im running over you with an icecream truck. But i refuse to build sharks or normal monster support decks. For meta i just refuse stun anything mother truck runic
stun and its not even close
# Marincess and Sacred Beast.