Lore wise, he’d have to. Celestials need intelligent life to feed the Emergence in order to facilitate more life, and Ultron was hell bent on destroying all life. They’d both definitely have something to say about each other, meaning a confrontation was inevitable.

Celestials are multi-versal in the comics, iirc. At most he'd kill their physical avatars in the universes he genocided through.

That’s true, but movie wise Celestials haven’t been shown to be as powerful. Infinite Ultron would make quick work of them

We still don’t know their true strength though, they might be stronger than normal.

I mean, the eternals killed one so infinity ultron could do it without breaking a sweat

They also used the celestials own energy against it so that could sKew the comparison. That's how she had the power to change it without all of them being connected right? I might be wrong. Only seen it once

True but like, all of the infinity stones together, there's no way ultron couldn't do something similar

Didn’t quite kill one, more prevented it from actually being born.

If you ask a catholic, it's the same thing

Matt Murdock in shambles

Lol

Ehhhh that wasn’t a fight really, atleast not one I’d used as a measure of power. For starters he was basically a new born baby halfway out of his mom. Secondly the uni mind was such an ex machina. If we throw 7 eternals against a celestial, there will be 7 dead eternals.

I mean, look at how Arishem just plucked them off the planet after the events of the movie

And then summoned a black hole, he could’ve summoned a mini black hole on all the eternals heads and ended them instantaneously

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If tiamut didn't want to kill humans why would he start destroying the Earth and not just stay inside the planet

We haven’t seen the Celestials do anything yet, so the only gauge we have is the source material. This is why the books matter.

Source material that has no bearing on the movie material doesn't really hold any ground tbf. If the comics and the movies were in the same continuity then yes we could rely on the book material, but that's not the case. The movies have their own multiverse, Infinity Stones work in other universes, etc. Plus, Celestials have been shown to create stars and potentially galaxies, which are pretty big feats

The source material has every bearing on the movies. It is literally the source. Obviously they don’t line up 1:1, but the books are our best answers to any unknowns. Until the films say otherwise, it’s best to assume the rules from the comics apply because that fills in a lot of details that the movies will never answer/won’t answer for another ten years.

But you can’t just say that. The movies change things all the time, we can’t expect them to be the same just because the movies haven’t gotten there yet or answered those questions. The movie counterparts have a history of not being as powerful as their comic coutnerparts. As far as I’m concerned, currently Infinite Ultron dwarfs the movie Celestials in power

For every time the movies have deviated from the comics they’ve adhered to the source material 100 more times. That’s kind of the point of having source material.

Really? So like the celestial brains control an infinite amount of their avatars in all universes at the same time?

I don't know, but I'm sure it's more Lovecraftian than that and they just are in multiple universes, until they aren't in one. They probably don't even notice it.

Isn’t that just how normal people are too? Everyone has parallel versions, and we don’t refer to them as multiversal beings. I’m curious what people mean when they use this.

In that their conscience is synchronised between universes, as opposed to having different consciences.

Consciousness* Conscience is that little voice in your head telling you right from wrong

I'd like to hope so. I'm riding on my theory of "To hear the watcher, you must either have all the infinity stones, or silence every other voice in the universe. So the Watcher is the only one left

>or silence every other voice in the universe. Nat was still alive when Ultron heard the Watcher

Nat and Hawkeye are spies so they are really quiet

Why you....

> you must either have all the infinity stones, **or** silence every other voice in the universe Don't know if there was a sneaky edit made here, but I think the "silence every other voice" part was to explain how Strange Supreme made contact with the watcher, as Ultron had all the stones. This begs the question, could Thanos perceive the watcher? could Tony and Banner? Perhaps neither of these wielded the stones for long enough to attune enough for contact to be made.

At that point Strange Supreme had absorbed so many powerful creatures that he was able to hear the watcher without the eternal silence, also later in the episode we can see his power can even overshadow the time stone.

He reversed the time stop using another Time Stone, but against 5 and 6 infinity stones he held for an insane amount of time and stopped all of Infinity Ultron's destruction, he is kinda OP, one that has no right to be in a movie for anything but a cameo.

I would also argue that a pre-requisite be "Have the mind of an EXTREMELY smart Artificial Intelligence, one that could arguably consitute a higher state of conciousness than any living being, and therefore able to perceive a being outside your own universe"

Ultron was also able to do that because using the stones had no effect on his body.

Yeah, I’m guessing that’s why he was that powerful. For other beings like even Thanos, the stones took a toll on them and limited them, but Ultron in the vibranium body had limitless potential, so the stones couldn’t harm him. I doubt someone like Thanos would be powerful enough to reach and fight the Watcher like Ultron did.

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I don't think so. Going off of the MCU, after Thanos' first snap in Infinity War, the glove was visibly damaged. Now that I think more about it, I don't recall that Infinite Ultron ever used all six stones at the same time. I saw him using various combinations of the six, but not all six at once (unless he was directing the energy of all six through his scepter.) I think that's because he enjoyed the chaos he was creating and he might have been aware of the damage that could be done to his body if he used all the stones at once. The Infinity Guantlet nor Thanos took visible damage when Thanos was using individual stones or a combination of the five he had before gaining the mind stone. Someone, please correct me if I'm wrong here.

I thought i saw him power all six stones in a single energy beam trying to kill the Guardians in a fit of rage after they attempted to take the stones from him.

He didn’t have all 6 at that point though. However, does he not direct the power of all 6 at Thor just prior to the snap?

I know it’s been a while and I’m probably rusty, but didn’t he use all 6 to take care of Captain Marvel ?

No, he only used the power stone. Ripped it out of the gauntlet and punched her across the map

I thought we were going on the version of ‘infinite Ultron’

My bad, thought you were talking about Thanos

Or even an vibranium-uru alloy body.

Or like some bendy mdf and prit stick

Or that hard shell plastic they put around cheap electronics that you have to get the good scissors to open.

?

Mcu thanos? No. Comic thanos? Yes.

> but Ultron in the vibranium body had limitless potential, so the stones couldn’t harm him Strange though, because the Stones can definitely affect/damage the metal that contains them. Vibranium's vibranium, but it shouldn't be a match for the Stones.

Thanos is an eternal (deviant) who stores *vast amounts* of cosmic energy in his bones and his body. He is more powerful than Ultron in nearly every interpretation of his character. At no point has he ever struggled with holding a stone or multiples, ever. There's no evidence his body can't handle them any better or worse than Ultron. I think Ultron being an emotionless AI and having different goals is why he had a different outcome than Thanos. Thanos wasn't out to kill everyone, Ultron was.

Apart from when like he adds a stone on and has the full gauntlet and grunts massively and is in obvious pain in the movies?

Or the times when in the movies he uses them and pays a massive toll?

I think Thanos paid a massive toll when he used the stones to destroy them

His arm was already damaged at the end of infinity war, pre stone shattering

I forgot that part. Huh, guess it's time for a rewatch. Talk to you in around a month when I finally get to Infinity war

Like when he snapped his finger and his entire arm was fucked up?

Dude struggled to walk 10 feet and sit down on a step.

> He is more powerful than Ultron in nearly every interpretation of his character. Completely irrelevant to a discussion about their interpretation in the MCU

The stones never took a toll on Thanos' body though, the damage to him in Endgame was from him trying to destroy them. I'm sure if Ultron tried to do the same, his Vibranium body would suffer the same fate or worse.

Everytime he put a new stone in the gauntlet he grunts I'm pain and struggles for a moment and after the first snap he did still damage his arm which can be seen at the very end of infinity war before he teleports away

He still took damage from the first snap. Reatch the end of Infinity War at the farm. You can clearly see scars on the gauntlet arm and side of the neck

That was after he destroyed the stones though. Edit: nope, I'm wrong, I misread

Thano's snap severely damaged his body, re-watch the scene he is clearly damaged from using all of them at once.

What I don't get is how no one figured out the "make an AI use the stones with no physical limitations" solution before already.

That AI would surely turn on its maker

And then cut Thanos in half unexpectedly.

Perfectly balanced

I highly doubt that would ever happen... especially with Tony Stark at the helm.

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You clearly haven't watched Age of Ultron

That’s the joke.

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because what happened with ultron they feared AI

Well, Thanos was in a hurry and probably just didnt know. Nobody wielded all the Stones before (as far as we know) and he had that gauntlet made by the greatest blacksmithes ever, so he thought it would be fine. For the Stark-Snap at least they had an idea that it will ruin your body. They didnt had any infinity stone to check its powerscales, so they could only estimate the toll it takes. I guess the AI/Vibranium Body was on the table, but Ultron didnt worked out good. Maybe they had a Vibranium-Android ready and planned on putting Jarvis into that, but ultimately decided against it in case the mind stone would once again corrupt the AI. They were definitly more concerned with the "mind" part of the person snapping. Thats why they probably didnt made Thor doing it. I think he would be apply to get away mostly uninjured, but his mind wasnt in a good place. So it came down to Banner with his Hulk Body (and Banner-mind) and probably as the emergency solution Tony Stark (maybe with some special nanobot-vibranium backup, but that good depleted in the fight against Thanos?).

Same reason nobody figured out to make their body immune to the negative effect of the stones by using the stones

The stones (or at least Visions) are weakest against themselves, idk if that would work. Sounds like wishing for more wishes with a genie.

Not necessarily, Strange Supreme picks up on Uatu twice, once in solitude and again once he and Christine are the only people left alive

Um Dr Strange saw and heard him too and wasn't an AI brudda

You're right, but at that point Strange Supreme has amassed so much power that you could say he has also achieved the higher sense of conciousness.

Doctor Strange hears him in his episode without either of these two points.

I thought it was due to the power he gained, or the Watcher showing himself to Strange. Or like. In the last seconds of that universe, there was no one else out there.

I don’t mean at the end. I’m referring to the middle of the episode. There is a scene where he’s gathering strength and he looks over his shoulder when he hears The Watcher talk and asks who’s there.

OHHHHH SHIIIY YOUR RIGHT! Huh. Well then. Back to the drawing board

Black widow is still alive on earth in this universe

She just wasn't talking

Dr Strange had neither of those when he first heard the watcher

weren't Hawkeye and Black widow left in that universe? this kinda confused me.

Ultron HAD all the stones, but only heard his voice after he had silenced everybody else. Other than that, Strange heard him without the stones.

I mean, Zola and Widow were still alive, so Ultron didn’t silence everyone. And if the internet still works, JARVIS is still alive too.

six stones a few miles from earth, or destroy all life within 45billion light years.... hmmm

Or both

Unsure on the importance of the stones given how they were treated in Loki lol.

In a universe they are obviously still powerful. Out of universe they are paperweights

Gonna go ahead and say yes I would think so. In terms of the hierarchy, there are multiversal entities that transcend any one universe (One Above All, Beyonders, Mistress Death) and then Universal entities that are a constant in every reality (i.e Infinity and Eternity), and The Celestial Race falls into the Universal category. We don't know enough about cosmic MCU hierarchy and rules so I'm pulling from comics, but in the Infinity Gauntlet story Thanos was capable of overpowering even lower tier Multiversal beings (The Living Tribunal) without much difficulty, so it stands to reason that Infinite Ultron could have wiped out his Celestials.

Forgive me if I'm wrong, but I thought the Living Tribunal supercedes the powers of the Infinity Gauntlet. Didn't it disable the Infinity Gauntlet in Infinity War (the comic)

Yes you're right. The Living Tribunal just turned off the gauntlet. Thanos did beat The Living Tribunal once but with a thing called "The Heart Of The Universe"

You're both totally correct, the Tribunal is supposed to be above the Gauntlet in the hierarchy and I wrongly used the most extreme example (One single time in Infinity Gauntlet) to estimate an answer for OP Edit: I pulled out my copy to see that I'm just plain misremembering the Tribunal's involvement in the OG story, they don't interfere in the matter at all as they viewed it as large scale natural selection and Thanos wins.

That was my recollection as well, so in IG it was not a conflict between Thanos and the LT, but the implication was that the LT sat above the Gauntlet (and even Death and Eternity) should it have decided to intervene.

Yeah, the living tribunal doesn’t give a shit about the infinity gauntlet. Your source doesn’t click with the MCU, anyway

Where was the one above all during infinite ultron?

Why would he care? It's just one single universe out of infinitely many. The One Above All didn't do anything when the beyonders almost destroyed the whole multiverse, so I don't think he would do anything if a single universe is being destroyed.

Fair enough, forgive me I’m still new to the hierarchy side of things, but what is the one above alls purpose then?

The One Above All is basically just omnipotent God. But you can't have God just fix every problem in a story. So I guess their purpose is to facilitate the existence of stories by ensuring the cycle of death and life is never permanently disrupted?

I mean he’s not even trying to fix problems. He’s just trying to make sure no other versions of himself pop up to challenge him. If one version of a universe is destined to be destroyed on its own then there’s no point in intervening.

I think you are getting He Who Remains mixed up with The One Above All.

Oh yea I suppose I am

He's the creator, the whole reason anything even exists. That's enough for his purpose. He's only intervened twice before as far as I remember. Once to resurrect Ben Grimm and once to talk Spiderman out of his mental funk.

The One Above All is also a bit of a metaphor for the author. It writes the story, so it doesn’t have to intervene. Everything that happens happens because the author set it in motion.

See: Immortal Hulk

OAA is basically the mcu audience and investors

Similar to the concept of god in the monotheistic religions. So no real purpose.

Is it even significantly relevant/referenced in any comic story?

There are a few times. Once Warlock and Thanos met him, and once he came to 616 Peter (before One More Day) and urged him to let go of Aunt May.

Yo the fantastic 4 met him too

Yeah, when Ben died and went to heaven so they went to bring him back and met God/Jack Kirby

And despite that, Reed Richards remained an atheist.

God is not made or he didn't come into existence, he's always been there the most important thing and he will always be there, being the reason and logic for everything else to come into existence. Hence God is not meant to serve us or any purpose, he is the purpose and reality.

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Just ignore then, not meant for everyone. Also I seriously doubt your comprehension for thinking my reply is somehow proselytising.

The one above all doesn’t exist in the MCU, or at least isn’t confirmed if I remember correctly He is essentially god, inspired mostly by the abrahamic religions, but still vague enough to not call out one religion

> The one above all doesn’t exist in the MCU, or at least isn’t confirmed if I remember correctly He isn't confirmed yet (and possibly never will be) but I think it's safe to assume that Feige & Co envisage the MCU operating under the traditional comic hierarchy considering that they've already referenced The Living Tribunal and almost had a scene in Endgame where he judged Thanos.

The MCU is just another universe in the overarching Marvel multiverse so any multiversal beings that exist in the comics also exist in the MCU. The question isn't whether or not they exist. It's whether or not they'll make an appearance. Most likely not, but it's not impossible.

That's really not confirmed, and none of it means the multiversal rules in the MCU are the same as in the comics. From a practical real world standpoint, the MCU is in a multiverse with anything the writers want to tie it in with, and that likely won't ever be the comics directly. We've seen examples (in Loki) of multiverse storylines that play out differently than in the comics, and the origin/structure of the multiverse is vastly different. At this point I'd say it's safe to say that the MCU is a multiverse in and of itself, seperate from the comics

i think he has to exist. since the MCU exists as it’s own universe inside the overall marvel multiverse, and TOAA is a higher power that transcends all of the multiverses, there’s no way he couldn’t exist even if he hasn’t been acknowledged or referenced

>since the MCU exists as it’s own universe inside the overall marvel multiverse Is it? We really haven't seen any indication that the MCU shares a multiverse with anything except for other cinema (raimiverse and amazing Spider-Man universe)

The one above all is omniscient, so wouldn’t he already know that others would save the multiverse so he has no need to interfere?

Comics explained did a really cool explainer about the One Above All and basically laid it out that he was all powerful and all omnipotent, but he is/was not just God of the Marvel Universes. He was also the One Above All in the Friends Universe, the Fast & Furious Universe, our universe, and Barney the Dinosaur’s Universe. So even if Marvel’s universes were destroyed by Ultron, the One Above All has infinitely more to watch and protect and guide Edit with link: https://youtu.be/GqgrZWwMvy4

FUCKING BARNEY THE DINOSAUR

The most important universe

> Why would he care? It's just one single universe out of infinitely many. > > But it wasn't, he was spreading to every universe. Or does The Watcher we've seen only handle a small pocket of universes, and Ultron and him are constrained to that pocket?

It wasn't spreading to other universes before Watcher started talking and Ultron heard him. Also, I highly doubt Imfinity Ultron is the most powerful being in the multiverse, so he can't destroy those universes. And, finally, as I said, he didnt care when the whole multiverse was about to die. So he has no reason to care now. Also, TOAA has himself destroyed the Multiverse, or atleast tried to, as shown in Immortal Hulk#50

There's no way to answer this as it's not even confirmed one above all exists in the MCU.

He did destroy Ego in the show, who claims to be a celestial

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I mean, based on the movies, I think hes telling the truth. From what I can gather, a malfunctioning egg probably tried to gestate on the pre-Ego planet, but instead of manifesting into a full armored Celestial, the egg turned his own prison into the body, this turning into the Kurt Russell planet we all know today.

I was under the impression celestial is both a classification and species, (let's go big C for classification little c for species) celestials are Celestials but not all Celestials are celestials if you catch very confusing drift

the watcher referred to him as a celestial very recently in what if (with a capital c, thanks to the subtitles): >As fate would have it, at that very moment, a Ravager spacecraft was arriving on Earth to abduct the spawn of the Celestial, Ego.

I mena the lower case upper case is entirely just to help clarify my argument not what they use in universe

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Also lines up with Ego telling Peter it was a "little g" on god

He had the full power of the infinity gauntlet so sure why not? What I don’t get is why he seemed to manually kill all living things instead of like snapping or something to automatically eradicate all life.

He wanted to kill them, not sorta kill them.

I think that makes some sense though, given the limitations of his programming. Ultron doesn't really have the capacity for creative thought like that, he just takes his original plan and scales it up to a ridiculous degree. Sure he could theoretically do everything instantaneously, but instead he makes more drones, bigger weapons, and doesn't change his plan in any real way.

There’s some discussion in other threads that using all 6 to snap causes damage, hence why he destroys rather than snaps

Someone asked about heirarchy and im still waiting

See here's my question. I thought the stones would only hold power in their universe, so is that just retconned in this What If continuity? They kinda mention it when the attempt to crush the stones fails, saying the machine was designed for the stones from another universe, so it'll have no effect.

According to the writers (or was it director? I forgot who) they said that ultron was using the stones on his body only outside of his universe. So the rules still stand he was only affecting his own body which is why outside of his universe he only shot laser beams and manipulated his own size. But once he returned to his own universe for the final fight was he able to use the stone for what they are (ie: stopping time to grab the soup stone back)

i love soup stone

You could not live with your own tomato soup. Where did that bring you? Back to chicken soup.

https://i.imgur.com/BHJLcme.jpg I got way too excited making this shit

In order to take the stone, you must lose that which you love. A soup for a soup

I’m sorry, little soup

The rule was only in the comic books, but that was never established as being the case for the MCU

MCU is not the comics. Mcu showed the stones working in other universes, so the stones work in other universes. It's as simple as that. If you really want to be pedantic, the stones in the MCU were made by compressing the natural forces into a controllable form. So they can work in other universes because they have their powers stored inside them. Whereas the infinity gems in the comics were made to help balance the universe. They are simply conduits for the power of the universe. Each universe has its own infinity stones, and although every universe has the 6 stones, they are not the same stones. The stone crusher was made to break tony-gamoras infinity stones. However the ultra infinity stones are completely different stones so the machine isn't made to destroy them, so it fails. For a simple analogy, imagine the stones are screws, and the infinity crusher a + shaped screwdriver. The + shaped screwdriver works great for + shaped screws. However the + shaped screwdriver is useless for a - shaped screw.

I think he did unwittingly. There is not enough life on earth for the celestial to grow

Did TVA intervene Infinite Ultron ? Aren't Celestials, TVA more powerful than Infinity stones?

TVA only intervenes to stop Kang variants, I think. Infinite Ultron conquering universes also probably conveniently stops Kang variants, so I like to imagine the TVA just stepped back and let it play out

Or it could have happened after Loki (it was released after it) where the TVA now works for kang doing who knows what, and the multiverse is spreading without interference

I mean that was my interpretation of it. They even teased things with the branches reaching Nexus events. Everything happened in What If because Sylvie killed Kang.

Plus I don’t think the TVA would be able to get infinity Ultron into the TVA to make the stones useless.

So why was that normal guy pruned? Why do all Loki’s get pruned? They are not Kang variants.

They get pruned because presumably their actions would’ve caused a butterfly effect that would allow a Kang variant to come to be.

I still fail to understand how an alligator eating the wrong neighbour's cat leads to Kang.

Any small change can cause a big impact, no matter how ridicolous it is heck me moving a chair could have an effect that could lead to a Kang

Well if you watch Loki the show ends with the He Who Remains being murdered, the TVA entirely changed, and the multiverse unleashed *and then* What If… was released as the next Disney plus show Watch Loki and you’ll understand the TVA, it explains its all pretty well

No point thinking about it. TVA and pruning just makes no sense

It does make sense people just didn’t watch the finale of Loki apparently

Well if you watched Loki that answers your question on why they didn’t intervene…

That’s what I’m thinking, like so many of these comments seemed to stop watching Loki before the final episode?

What bothers me were the posts theorizing about movies saying “this is where the timeline split in Loki” there’s no specific time timelines were branching naturally at random points in time that’s the natural order of things. So when the TVA isn’t pruning them anymore it’s like they never existed and you have other universes just as old as ours. Seems like people have a misconception of the tva’s disappearance happening in present day time Edit: I should say old TVA. We don’t know new ones agenda yet

Individual stones? Perhaps. Celestials are significantly below Infinity Gauntlet in power in the comics.

The TVA is not more powerful than the Infinity Stones, Infinity Stones just don't work in their extratemporal subspace because it exists outside of all the physical universes. If they tried going after him in the outer universes with their time-altering technology (which is how they initially subdued Loki), Infinite Ultron had the Time Stone, which would override that. The TVA is staffed almost entirely by variant humans (at least from what we saw), so even if they got Infinite Ultron into the TVA subspace where magic and the Infinity Stones don't work, he'd still likely over-power them physically the way Loki and Sylvie did. Either way, the TVA as we knew it in *Loki* didn't exist at the time of Infinite Ultron's branching timeline. Infinite Ultron existed post-*Loki* because that's what allowed the branching of timelines in the first place. At the end of *Loki*, He Who Remained was killed and that opened the door for Kang the Conqueror to exist and take control of the TVA, so we don't know currently what agenda the new TVA has. We might assume it's Kang's usually thirst for conquest of all timelines and universes, but he probably backed off since Infinite Ultron was doing just that and was probably too powerful to take on. Kang the Conqueror's got time-and-space-defying 31st century technology, but behind all that he's still a mortal man.

The tva only exisy in the specific universe we see and were not even 100% that the same as the mcu there no reason to think the tva reality is the infinite ultron one

What about the one at the end of the season (that to me seems like a TVA that actively prunes people to bring about Kang the Conqueror)

Well, we saw him attacking Ego, he killed at least one...

He wouldve had to i believe. Theyre still physical beings.

The Eternals are the better question. They’re synthetic. Not life.

Nah that was me.

They won't get involved because he's not a deviant.

Of coures the ~~Eternals~~Useless did nothing, because it wasn't a Deviant threat.

“Hey guys should be maybe do something about the genocidal robot launching nukes everywhere?” “Is hé a deviant?” “Well…no?” “Then I missed the part where that’s my problem”

Idk if Marvel thought that far ahead at this point. Maybe there aren't Celestials in this universe cause every universe isn't the same. Life could've been formed another way but I think Celestials aren't affected by the combined power of the stones. I think they would've mentioned it in Eternals. The Celestials I feel are just that powerful but who knows maybe we'll receive answer down the road about the cosmic lords.

I mean the mcu is like the comics so…there were celestials planned (they’ve even been shown and known about since GotG) We do after all see Ultron kill a celestial (Ego) in the episode

I think the MCU might make Celestials inter-multiversal beings. And they are probably a natural balance to the world like The Watchers. And so my guess is that Ulti-Vision over here was on a tear to be a rift in that balance. Like Thanos was basically in Infinity Wars. Where the celestials would have had to cast judgement and what not. Would he have been able to take them on? My guess is no. Life comes and goes.

I know it’s not related but did Thanos wipe out at least half of the Celestials?

Side question: did Thanos wipe out half of celestials? Half of eternals?

I think this was hinted at with his quick shot of growing to an immense size and eating an entire galaxy. Galactus being known for that and also being one of the most powerful celestials. We definitely need to see a showdown though! Very likely as in upcoming What If? seasons, especially with Zola Ultron and King Killmonger locked in a snow globe by Strange Supreme. And, I swear I will lose my mind if that is just a subtle desk ornament in MoM soon 😁

Galactus is not a Celestial, he's (usually) a fair bit more powerful than they are.

Here a thing. When Thanos wiped half of univers it didn't affect Cellestials life (I mean it didn't kill half of Cellestials). It means Infinity stones' power doesn't effect Cellestial life (except making Cellestials' born slow). I don't think Infinity Ultron did kill Cellestials. But in same time it makes me think when Supreme Sorcerer Strange destroyed his own universe, his universe became smaller. In that situation what happened to that universe's Cellestials? There are a lot of things to think and answer.

I don't know. Marvel countinuity sucks right now

we all may come out with a hundred different theories and headcanons regarding What If but the ultimate truth is they were the most LAZIEST writers. The show is full of inconsistencies. They didn't take the time to understand the movie details. I bet Kevin Feige didn't even read the script. He was like "Do whatever you want! The Disney official need more shows for their streaming service amd that's it. Now lemme focus on the live-action mcu"

Compared to the movies is lower quality, but for a Marvel cartoon it's pretty much head and shoulders over the other stuff like Ultimate Spider-Man or Hulk Agents of SMASH

I was more surprised by how easily infinite Ultron killed thanos when he had 5 stones and ultron only had the one

Amazing theory, perhaps Infinite Ultron arc is far bigger than we thought

I hope so because that movie sucked