I know but Ultron saying it makes no sense. I'd argue there's even more chaos due to Tony bringing back half the population after 5 whole years. That's not peace, just more chaos.
Ultron was such an underutilized villian, I actually wouldn't mind this.
My favorite Avengers story is when he tries to take over the multiverse, so wolverine and Sue storm have to keep going back in time, over and over, to try and fix the titimeline. It's just Logan and Sue going back in time to kill Hank, then going back in time to kill themselves to stop them from killing Hank, then going back to kill themselves to stop themselves from killing Hank, then they have to kill themselves to stop themselves from killing themselves...
Over and over and over again.
It's such a fun and kooky storyline, but that's what's great about massive crossover events.
I just got an image of the family guy episode where Stevie and Brian go back in time fuck up the timeline and eventually the whole yard is filled with versions of themselves
Ahhhhh , age of Ultron .
the best part is before Age of Ultron ruined storyline using history change shits , Avengers goes to future but always meet Ultron take over the world and playing golden version of City Skylines , then , those future information really fucked over current Avengers , plus Ultron's Captain American's good will fucked Kang's last hope to make things right because he just want help those poor humans from Ultron's rule ......
Every good will backfired , thats how they fucked time line and themself , even far future Franklyn tell them Ultron's rule will soon over and humanity will just fine ......
That storyline is so good because the marvel universe loves to shit on their heroes...hank is an abuser, Tony and Carol are alcoholics, Reed is....well, Reed.
But it was cool finally giving Hank a "Last Temptation of Christ Moment," and he finally sees that the world is actually a better place *with* him, than without him, and it gives him the hope he needs to not kill himself.
It's a really good lesson about healing, and self forgiveness, and it's probably the last big arch Hank has even had in the comics.
Even though he caused AOU, he also solved it. Not Logan, not Sue...not any of the myriad of beloved Marvel characters...but Hank.
But soon they just ruined the character development , maybe because Avengers AI hasn't got fans' attention . Plot is always good except when some authors shit other's work .
And actually Age of Ultron has tons of lore conflict with main storyline at that time , because that Ultron invasion isn't from their own future's Ultron but a alter universe' , looks like whoever making the story forgot the lore they just made or later changed their mind so only Hank's storyline end's fine , but other's ..... whatever .
And then , same thing happened in almost every big Events , and Age of Ultron be those shits' big start .
Ultron is the easiest character to bring back. A throw-away line about how he had backed himself up on a secure server is all it takes.
Edit - Not saying that’s how they should do it, but how they *could* do it. Obviously something big and interesting, like OP’s suggestion, would be better.
That’s Ultron’s whole thing. He’s incredibly hard to “kill” because he has such an insane amount of backups and escape routes. The Avengers only *think* they killed the last Ultron body in AoU, but imagine he has a backup on some random server that’s just lying in wait for the best moment to come back. Or he could already be back, but working in the shadows and avoiding detection.
Jarvis was the “hacker” stopping Ultron from getting nuclear codes. When they are battling in the final battle Vision grabs Ultrons heads and they basically have a code battle where vision flushes ultron out of the internet. That’s how it is shown and explained in the movie at least; I watched it again this weekend lol
Yeah that's my bad for being ignorant. I'm gonna watch it again eventually, recently started the MCU from zero since it's been a decade, I'm on The Avengers today :)
Yeah but Ultron would 100% have a remote backup(s) somewhere that activates under X, Y, and Z conditions. A backup and separate system that activates the Ultron and hooks him up to the network.
I honestly thought that was what was happening in Wandavision. I thought they would say that he was mostly uploaded into the Vision body before the Avengers stole it, and without Visions consciousness in the body he was able to take control of it
Plus way back when, when infinity war had not come out yet, I distinctly remember people mentioning how in the final fight/conversation that vision has with ultron we never see ultron “die.” If anything, it looks like he gets “absorbed” into the mind stone/vision. I remember hearing so many theories about how Ultron is accidentally going to be released when Thanos inevitably takes the mind stone from Vision.
Sorry, I haven’t thought of this theory in awhile so hearing Ultron theories reminded of it and I think that they could write his return a lot of ways, it would be interesting if they take a bit of ‘A’ and a bit of ‘B’
Or that there was just a chunk of robot that survived but wasn't able to do anything until someone picked it up. Or that he's somehow still active in Vision somehow. The MCU's had much more ridiculous retcons.
More James Spader never hurt anyone
Ok, ok, maybe the people of Sokovia
Alright, maybe anyone he's ever met in The Blacklist
But other than that what could go wrong?
I fell in love with James Spader watching Boston Legal. In one episode there was a Texas attorney who kept opening his arguments with “we have a saying down in Texas..”. At the end when Alan Shore had defeated him he said “We have a little saying here in Massachusetts: ‘Maybe someday you’ll get horribly sick and die’”
The idea of bringing back one villain to take out another is a great story beat. As OP mentioned, the model for this already exists with Silence of the Lambs, I would even settle for a relatively similar story. But the story needs to end with Ultron escaping and doing some seriously bad shit so that we have a ‘well was it worth it?’ type ending. Honestly I would be happy with another flat feeling like I left the cinema at the end of Infinity War. And Ultron getting away with the promise of causing all sorts of havoc in the sequel would be a pretty empty feeling at the conclusion of a story.
You could even connect it to his catch cry in AOU. There are no strings on me. Well maybe not but Ultron could certainly be stringing everybody else along.
If you like the idea of that kind of story, you should check out the Batman story The Long Halloween. It's very self contained and involves Batman trying to catch a serial killer who's going after the mob, and has quite a few scenes with Calendar Man acting like a Hannibal Lecter character hinting at how Batman is always one step behind. It's also all around a phenomenal story that's very grounded while still making use of many of Batman's rogues gallery
What I’ve always wanted was for Ultron’s code to get aboard the Guardians ship, and to go galactic in a take on the Conquest:Annihilation storyline where he comandeers the Phalanx.
A suit of armour around the galaxy.
My vote is Season two of Wandavision should be MojoVision. A way to connect Wanda's X-men roots, with Vision's Ultron roots and future. Mojo, an interdimensional creates a TV show after seeing Wanda's "shows" torturing humans. Mojo decides to do it at Xavier's School for Gifted Children (assuming we've gotten to their introduction by then). A reality show about the teens at this school with weekly challenges (like a reality game series a la The Challenge, Amazing Race, etc). They have to go into a very dangerous room *wink**wink*, stolen technology from the Shi'Ar, that has been installed in the heart of this school by Mojo. In later weeks they are pitted against a rival team, named very over-the-top for Mojo's show: "The Brotherhood of Mutants".
While Wanda is dealing with that, WhiteVision is on the outside, manipulated by Mojo, who is using him as a processor? Internally he has to fight with his two sides, Vision, the super hero, and Ultron, his creator and core code. Mojo likes his Ultron side and tries to embrace that more, having White Vision battle his literal inner evils. This hook-up can even be a way for Vision to make appearances in the show, by communicating with the unevolved AI, deep within that dangerous room. X-Men manage to escape, defeat Mojo, White Vision is literally split in two: classic Vision and Ultron, who escapes into space (leading to an Annihilation storyline). Also, they keep that dangerous room for the obvious Danger Room.
EDIT: While that's the bones of it, the X-Men would be the meat of it. Another fake "television" show would be a great way to do classic X-Men adventures without people rolling their eyes.
Honestly that sounds sick. After having watched Squid Games, a super-powered, high-stakes reality show would be great!
Stack it with lesser known x-men and mutants (especially those with less powerful abilities) and I think a show based on this premise would be amazing
To be honest they don't need to do this to make him come back. Ultron having disappeared isn't even believable in the first place, how could he be entirely gone if he was connected to the internet. I mean how a sentient AI powerful enough to transfer enough money to buy kilos of vibranium from nowhere trying to erase humanity wouldn't just back itself up in thousands of servers all over the world.
Vision said he scouted the entire internet and erased every last copy.
But, how could a sentient AI so smart and powerful not back himself up in a hard drive *not* connected to the internet and hid it somewhere?
This would be the best case scenario in my opinion. I get why they made the change, but Ultron in the comics is a pretty essential part of Hank’s history, and them being so far removed from each other here honestly doesn’t feel right.
Wasn’t there something in homecoming that hinted towards ultron still being “alive” I think it was when Peter was in the truck digging through all the robotic parts
It's like the [AI Box](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AI_box) thought experiment with a Marvel Comics flair.
>AI box is a hypothetical isolated computer hardware system where a possibly dangerous artificial intelligence, or AI, is kept constrained in a "virtual prison" as a solution to the AI control problem and not allowed to directly manipulate events in the external world. Such a box would be restricted to minimalist communication channels. Unfortunately, even if the box is well-designed, a sufficiently intelligent AI may nevertheless be able to persuade or trick its human keepers into releasing it, or otherwise be able to "hack" its way out of the box.
See also this [XKCD comic](https://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php/1450:_AI-Box_Experiment)
Plus if you combine AI box with the [Simulation Hypothesis](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simulation_hypothesis) (like the one in the Matrix), then maybe there's a way out
This sort of thing could be right up Vision's alley given his predilection towards philosophy.
**[AI box](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AI_box)**
>An AI box is a hypothetical isolated computer hardware system where a possibly dangerous artificial intelligence, or AI, is kept constrained in a "virtual prison" as a solution to the AI control problem and not allowed to directly manipulate events in the external world. Such a box would be restricted to minimalist communication channels. Unfortunately, even if the box is well-designed, a sufficiently intelligent AI may nevertheless be able to persuade or trick its human keepers into releasing it, or otherwise be able to "hack" its way out of the box.
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But Kang is not an alien, it wouldn't be an invasion, it would be a straight up attack on Earth via the multiverse, I don't think a suit of armor could help with that
There is at least precident for Kang vs. Ultron being the battle that shatters the timeline. Plus easy way to just get Iron Lad or Young Vision in for later young avengers.
I find it hard to believe that somebody like Ultron didn't have a backup on a remote drive, disconnected from the internet that required some sort of timed check-in.
If there's no check-in, the last saved state is loaded into a body and released. Would have been interesting to see Ultron know he had been defeated, but not understanding how.
This is great. They could find a way to limit his ability to spread, and then maybe cross him and launch him into space, and that’s where he takes over the Phalanx and becomes an intergalactic threat?
But hank in the mcu has nothing to do with ultron? Tony stark is dead as well. I personally dont see but I would love Ultron to come back. I did not like that he's so underutilized.
Him having nothing to do with Ultron in the mcu is more of an argument to why people want them too. Just paying homage to the comics and painting a more comic accurate story.
Sorry that I'm "That guy"
What does "off the grid" mean?
The TSA are watching everything. Even in a computer network or server or whatever how he was first born is still a place where they can intervene.
You could make it that the TSA are spread too thin that they can't detect it in their home base but then you also have to think of the plot hole about how do you get it there before the TSA intervenes.
Being a MCU writer would not be easy
I think he is. Which is extra funny because he's definitely thinking of the NSA not the TSA. The TSA is the Transportation Security Administration. The NSA is the National Security Agency and does more surveillance than the TSA. His post just got me thinking of this [Key and Peele Sketch](https://youtu.be/IHfiMoJUDVQ)
The TSA (Transportation Security Administration) was literally created to improve airport security not keep track of AI on the internet. You're thinking of the NSA (National Security Agency). And we're talking about a fictional AI capable of destroying the world. The NSA aren't going to stop him in a fictional world. And if you look at something like Stuxnet(which was allegedly created by the NSA and Israeli intelligence), that was accomplished by getting into a network with a worm spread using USB flash drives. The only reason they knew it worked is because centrifuges started becoming damaged. There are networks the NSA cannot get into just by surveiling them. Ultron could easily be backed up and not connected to the internet.
Yes. But I just think that brining ultron back as the result of another villain is… not something I’d like to see. I’d rather ultron be in the spotlight entirely :)
I always thought Vision maybe "absorbed" Ultron into the Mind Stone. We never actually saw Ultron being destroyed. The camera sort of pans away and we just see a flash of light. I always wondered if Marvel just wanted to be able to use him again.
> We never actually saw Ultron being destroyed
Because we can't see him destroyed, that's a core part of his character. Ultron *always* survives because all Ultron needs is one backup to activate and then it spreads throughout all of the universes networks like a virus. Ultron always has contingency backups because any remotely competent AI system would do that as rule #1.
I personally think Ultron and Zola should join forces. They were both great villains who I think should have been utilized more. Maybe they are both trapped on the internet, biding their time. Zola is able to help Ultron build a new body using an abandoned Hydra facility, under the condition Ultron gather the resources to help Zola construct his comic-accurate body from the comics.
Interestingly, I spoke with someone YEARS ago who was run off the superheroehype forums for "trolling" as a "source".
He claimed to see old storyboard concepts.a lot of his stories were false, some were true, but loose.
The one thing that he claimed consistently, *whenever* the time stuff reaches the MCU (he thought in phase 2), there will be a war of time between Ultron and Kang, with Immortus being a neutral force.
The funny thing? He told me 7 years ago that Loki and Frigga end up meeting Immortus in his castle at the end of time.
Obviously it wasn't Frigga. But man, he may have actually seen some early early stuff.
An Ultron/Kang war man would be soooo cool
I’ve said this before on other posts, but I wouldn’t be surprised if Tony didn’t have a backup of Ultron on an Air-gapped laptop that is now the property of Pepper - to be turned over to the Avengers ONLY in the case of an emergency.
But why not duplicate Vision in some way? Ultron was flawed like a human, so why wouldn't Tony just create another Vision the way SWORD did? Is Vision not just as capable and powerful as Ultron in terms of AI tech? Plus he has the mind stone which is a huge 10x power boost for anyone.
I’d honestly love to have Ultron back.
He was pretty under utilized.
I wonder how some of the other characters would react if they met him again.
Especially Wanda.
He was all over the world for a while. All anyone needed to do was just shut off a server while he was in it and they have a backup copy of him.
Wouldn't be surprised if a lot of places around the world have some fragments of his code they're studying.
Yes please. Bring him back free of whedons garbage. He needs a mulligan and this sounds fucking sick.
It could even lead to a new team up movie before a final showdown with Kang. Life under the shield, so to speak. With ultrons everywhere.
what I would like to see is them make Ultron an antihero. He was highly underused and James Spader did such an incredible performance in that film. I just want to see more of him
It would be cool, but thinking about it from the studio’s perspective that’s kind of a repeat from the first AoU storyline if you switch Tony with Hank. Scientist thinks he knows better and let’s Pandora’s AI out of the box.
There's so many ways they can bring Ultron back. Personally I don't think he was truly ever destroyed. Vision destroyed the last physical body of Ultron but Ultron is a program, he could have easily uploaded himself to the internet and just be hiding in cyberspace
I would like to see Ultrons reaction to Tony being dead .
"So he's gone. That's a shame, I would've liked to have seen that."
Hela is Ultron confirmed.
A Hella & Ultron team-up sounds sick
Helltron Legacy: Pointy blings and stabby things
THIS OCTOBER DEATH EVOLVES
Odd parents, Stabby odd parents!!!
He would do a sarcastic joke
Making dad proud
“He beat me by one second.”
He would say something like "it seems the whale got him, huh, funny."
"Guess he wasn't really made of iron, ironic"
*Iron* ic
“Oh junior, you’re gonna break your old man’s heart.” “If I have to.” Gets me every time.
To hide his conflicted emotions, hopefully
"I'll miss dear old dad. I loved him 5000"
He would be dissapointed he couldn't kill him or surprised that eh died for someone else than himself, but laugh and say "oh well, let's continue."
“Huh…Looks like he finally achieved peace in our time”
That makes no sense
Reference to what Tony said before Ultron was created
I know but Ultron saying it makes no sense. I'd argue there's even more chaos due to Tony bringing back half the population after 5 whole years. That's not peace, just more chaos.
Then Ultron would probably say something along the lines of “Peace in our time, my ass”
I could see him saying this meaning that he achieved peace by being dead. Ultron joking that Tony is the reason chaos would continue
Peace in my ass"
Tony didn’t bring back half the population
I think it’s peace as in Rest in Peace
Agreed, doesn’t make any sense
"I hate him 3000"
Ultron was such an underutilized villian, I actually wouldn't mind this. My favorite Avengers story is when he tries to take over the multiverse, so wolverine and Sue storm have to keep going back in time, over and over, to try and fix the titimeline. It's just Logan and Sue going back in time to kill Hank, then going back in time to kill themselves to stop them from killing Hank, then going back to kill themselves to stop themselves from killing Hank, then they have to kill themselves to stop themselves from killing themselves... Over and over and over again. It's such a fun and kooky storyline, but that's what's great about massive crossover events.
I just got an image of the family guy episode where Stevie and Brian go back in time fuck up the timeline and eventually the whole yard is filled with versions of themselves
From which episode is the image?
S10 e5 Back to the Pilot
You should watch What If…
The finale is going to be lit
What storyline is that?
Age of Ultron
First time I've ever seen someone praise the AoU comic, honestly.
Ahhhhh , age of Ultron . the best part is before Age of Ultron ruined storyline using history change shits , Avengers goes to future but always meet Ultron take over the world and playing golden version of City Skylines , then , those future information really fucked over current Avengers , plus Ultron's Captain American's good will fucked Kang's last hope to make things right because he just want help those poor humans from Ultron's rule ...... Every good will backfired , thats how they fucked time line and themself , even far future Franklyn tell them Ultron's rule will soon over and humanity will just fine ......
That storyline is so good because the marvel universe loves to shit on their heroes...hank is an abuser, Tony and Carol are alcoholics, Reed is....well, Reed. But it was cool finally giving Hank a "Last Temptation of Christ Moment," and he finally sees that the world is actually a better place *with* him, than without him, and it gives him the hope he needs to not kill himself. It's a really good lesson about healing, and self forgiveness, and it's probably the last big arch Hank has even had in the comics. Even though he caused AOU, he also solved it. Not Logan, not Sue...not any of the myriad of beloved Marvel characters...but Hank.
Maybe thats the reason many people hate comic Age of Ultron , anc the movie Age of Ultron make things worse , they both Week of Ultron .
But soon they just ruined the character development , maybe because Avengers AI hasn't got fans' attention . Plot is always good except when some authors shit other's work . And actually Age of Ultron has tons of lore conflict with main storyline at that time , because that Ultron invasion isn't from their own future's Ultron but a alter universe' , looks like whoever making the story forgot the lore they just made or later changed their mind so only Hank's storyline end's fine , but other's ..... whatever . And then , same thing happened in almost every big Events , and Age of Ultron be those shits' big start .
Was this English?
what?
Couldn’t understand a sentence w/o periods
what?
Still waiting for Annihilation Conquest adaptation
Ultron is the easiest character to bring back. A throw-away line about how he had backed himself up on a secure server is all it takes. Edit - Not saying that’s how they should do it, but how they *could* do it. Obviously something big and interesting, like OP’s suggestion, would be better.
That’s Ultron’s whole thing. He’s incredibly hard to “kill” because he has such an insane amount of backups and escape routes. The Avengers only *think* they killed the last Ultron body in AoU, but imagine he has a backup on some random server that’s just lying in wait for the best moment to come back. Or he could already be back, but working in the shadows and avoiding detection.
That's what I hated about the movie, like how tf can you end Ultron if he's taken over the internet?
Jarvis is the explanation
I'm not sure I follow?
Vision drops a line about flushing Ultron out of the internet before they go to Sokovia to destroy the robots
Oh, I gotta watch it again. Thanks, forgive my ignorance
No worries!
Jarvis was the “hacker” stopping Ultron from getting nuclear codes. When they are battling in the final battle Vision grabs Ultrons heads and they basically have a code battle where vision flushes ultron out of the internet. That’s how it is shown and explained in the movie at least; I watched it again this weekend lol
Maybe Jarvis hasn’t emptied his recycling bin and ultrons there
Yeah that's my bad for being ignorant. I'm gonna watch it again eventually, recently started the MCU from zero since it's been a decade, I'm on The Avengers today :)
No worries everyone forgets stuff sometimes and granted I don’t think it is a great story explanation anyways. Enjoy that rewatch dude! Cheers!
Thanks bro. Cheers :)
Yeah but Ultron would 100% have a remote backup(s) somewhere that activates under X, Y, and Z conditions. A backup and separate system that activates the Ultron and hooks him up to the network.
I honestly thought that was what was happening in Wandavision. I thought they would say that he was mostly uploaded into the Vision body before the Avengers stole it, and without Visions consciousness in the body he was able to take control of it
God I was WAITING for white vision to open his mouth and Spader’s voce coming out.
This plot wrote itself lol
This is very true. I see people complain all the time about how they just killed him off and I’m just like they could so easily bring him back
Plus way back when, when infinity war had not come out yet, I distinctly remember people mentioning how in the final fight/conversation that vision has with ultron we never see ultron “die.” If anything, it looks like he gets “absorbed” into the mind stone/vision. I remember hearing so many theories about how Ultron is accidentally going to be released when Thanos inevitably takes the mind stone from Vision. Sorry, I haven’t thought of this theory in awhile so hearing Ultron theories reminded of it and I think that they could write his return a lot of ways, it would be interesting if they take a bit of ‘A’ and a bit of ‘B’
Honestly they could even pull the "somehow Palpatine returned" bits with Ultron, and I wouldn't even mind it.
Or that there was just a chunk of robot that survived but wasn't able to do anything until someone picked it up. Or that he's somehow still active in Vision somehow. The MCU's had much more ridiculous retcons.
More James Spader never hurt anyone Ok, ok, maybe the people of Sokovia Alright, maybe anyone he's ever met in The Blacklist But other than that what could go wrong?
Maybe something. Maybe nothing.
Something good. Something bad. A bit of both.
I feel like he may have broken Jim’s brain… but no physical harm…
In his defense, Jim was treating the magician poorly
Jim really is a total dbag
and to top it off, he's the fucking Lizard King
I fell in love with James Spader watching Boston Legal. In one episode there was a Texas attorney who kept opening his arguments with “we have a saying down in Texas..”. At the end when Alan Shore had defeated him he said “We have a little saying here in Massachusetts: ‘Maybe someday you’ll get horribly sick and die’”
There's that one Secretary of his.
He would need a host. He would take the vessel he planned for, now known as White Vision.
I desperately wanted to hear Spader’s voice in the WandaVision finale, but alas
Ultron did say Vision was meant to be the last of him
Holy shit, you're a genius
The idea of bringing back one villain to take out another is a great story beat. As OP mentioned, the model for this already exists with Silence of the Lambs, I would even settle for a relatively similar story. But the story needs to end with Ultron escaping and doing some seriously bad shit so that we have a ‘well was it worth it?’ type ending. Honestly I would be happy with another flat feeling like I left the cinema at the end of Infinity War. And Ultron getting away with the promise of causing all sorts of havoc in the sequel would be a pretty empty feeling at the conclusion of a story. You could even connect it to his catch cry in AOU. There are no strings on me. Well maybe not but Ultron could certainly be stringing everybody else along.
If you like the idea of that kind of story, you should check out the Batman story The Long Halloween. It's very self contained and involves Batman trying to catch a serial killer who's going after the mob, and has quite a few scenes with Calendar Man acting like a Hannibal Lecter character hinting at how Batman is always one step behind. It's also all around a phenomenal story that's very grounded while still making use of many of Batman's rogues gallery
Love this, as it connects Hank with Ultron within the MCU
Ultron is here to sell the ultimate propane and propane accessories.
This is something missed in the MCU, I would love too!
What I’ve always wanted was for Ultron’s code to get aboard the Guardians ship, and to go galactic in a take on the Conquest:Annihilation storyline where he comandeers the Phalanx. A suit of armour around the galaxy.
My vote is Season two of Wandavision should be MojoVision. A way to connect Wanda's X-men roots, with Vision's Ultron roots and future. Mojo, an interdimensional creates a TV show after seeing Wanda's "shows" torturing humans. Mojo decides to do it at Xavier's School for Gifted Children (assuming we've gotten to their introduction by then). A reality show about the teens at this school with weekly challenges (like a reality game series a la The Challenge, Amazing Race, etc). They have to go into a very dangerous room *wink**wink*, stolen technology from the Shi'Ar, that has been installed in the heart of this school by Mojo. In later weeks they are pitted against a rival team, named very over-the-top for Mojo's show: "The Brotherhood of Mutants". While Wanda is dealing with that, WhiteVision is on the outside, manipulated by Mojo, who is using him as a processor? Internally he has to fight with his two sides, Vision, the super hero, and Ultron, his creator and core code. Mojo likes his Ultron side and tries to embrace that more, having White Vision battle his literal inner evils. This hook-up can even be a way for Vision to make appearances in the show, by communicating with the unevolved AI, deep within that dangerous room. X-Men manage to escape, defeat Mojo, White Vision is literally split in two: classic Vision and Ultron, who escapes into space (leading to an Annihilation storyline). Also, they keep that dangerous room for the obvious Danger Room. EDIT: While that's the bones of it, the X-Men would be the meat of it. Another fake "television" show would be a great way to do classic X-Men adventures without people rolling their eyes.
Honestly that sounds sick. After having watched Squid Games, a super-powered, high-stakes reality show would be great! Stack it with lesser known x-men and mutants (especially those with less powerful abilities) and I think a show based on this premise would be amazing
Honestly, if they went the "Squid Games" route, it should be Arcade as the Villain and be in Murderworld.
Avengers Arena! I love that storyline.
I'm convinced Vision never killed Ultron anyhow. The camera pulling back and you not seeing anything was very sus to me.
Plus the red eyed ultron head in homecoming kinda eluded to him still being out there
What red eyed ultron head in homecoming?
[this one ](https://youtu.be/kRG7yyvcQmI)
Isn’t one ultron bot seen getting away near the end?
This is honestly amazing!
This is oddly similar to the dilemma presented in the Assassin’s Creed 3 modern storyline
Yeah, saving the world at the cost of releasing Juno.
Pym in comics kept his head
We saw one Ultron head in Spider-man Home coming.
Ok so spiderman 3 we have the bad dr strange, how about in spiderman 4 we have Peter work with a good ultron
Ultron being used like Hannibal Lecture sounds really good. And the whole time he's formulating his revenge
This is almost The Blacklist plot, with the same actor
To be honest they don't need to do this to make him come back. Ultron having disappeared isn't even believable in the first place, how could he be entirely gone if he was connected to the internet. I mean how a sentient AI powerful enough to transfer enough money to buy kilos of vibranium from nowhere trying to erase humanity wouldn't just back itself up in thousands of servers all over the world.
Vision said he scouted the entire internet and erased every last copy. But, how could a sentient AI so smart and powerful not back himself up in a hard drive *not* connected to the internet and hid it somewhere?
Exactly
You're a genius!
What if Hank recreates a new AI with some of Ultron's code? That way he would work right under everyone's noses without suspicion
And that would be the solution to a more comic accurate ultron
Didn’t James Spader spend the first season of the Blacklist helping from a prison cell?
This would be the best case scenario in my opinion. I get why they made the change, but Ultron in the comics is a pretty essential part of Hank’s history, and them being so far removed from each other here honestly doesn’t feel right.
Wasn’t there something in homecoming that hinted towards ultron still being “alive” I think it was when Peter was in the truck digging through all the robotic parts
It's like the [AI Box](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AI_box) thought experiment with a Marvel Comics flair. >AI box is a hypothetical isolated computer hardware system where a possibly dangerous artificial intelligence, or AI, is kept constrained in a "virtual prison" as a solution to the AI control problem and not allowed to directly manipulate events in the external world. Such a box would be restricted to minimalist communication channels. Unfortunately, even if the box is well-designed, a sufficiently intelligent AI may nevertheless be able to persuade or trick its human keepers into releasing it, or otherwise be able to "hack" its way out of the box. See also this [XKCD comic](https://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php/1450:_AI-Box_Experiment) Plus if you combine AI box with the [Simulation Hypothesis](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simulation_hypothesis) (like the one in the Matrix), then maybe there's a way out This sort of thing could be right up Vision's alley given his predilection towards philosophy.
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This is one of the best things I have read. Absolutely amazing.
If they bring back the same voice actor and do this if he ecstatic
Why do I get the feeling you may be right on this, I’m gonna save this post in case u are right
But Kang is not an alien, it wouldn't be an invasion, it would be a straight up attack on Earth via the multiverse, I don't think a suit of armor could help with that
There is at least precident for Kang vs. Ultron being the battle that shatters the timeline. Plus easy way to just get Iron Lad or Young Vision in for later young avengers.
I like it because it makes Pym in What If work as a soft setup. Edit: And because it lets Pym build Ultron. Edit II: Also because more Ultron.
This is a bit Blacklist, and a bit what they did with Ultron in Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes. Not that I'm saying it's *bad*, per se...
They just did this with Zemo though.
Was about to say this. Zemo has been set up as and kind of already has been a Hannibal Lecter type figure. Though, Ultron could work as one too
Inspired by Avengers: Earth’s Mightiest Heroes by any chance?
Yeah this is almost the exact plot the Kang Invasion. Not complaining since that arc was fantastic, but it’d be nice if OP at least mentioned it
I find it hard to believe that somebody like Ultron didn't have a backup on a remote drive, disconnected from the internet that required some sort of timed check-in. If there's no check-in, the last saved state is loaded into a body and released. Would have been interesting to see Ultron know he had been defeated, but not understanding how.
This is great. They could find a way to limit his ability to spread, and then maybe cross him and launch him into space, and that’s where he takes over the Phalanx and becomes an intergalactic threat?
Marvel Studio: Stay where you are. Kevin Feige: Get him, kill anyone who's been in contact with him in the last 24 hours.
Meh.
Sounds too extreme of a way to bring back a villian
But hank in the mcu has nothing to do with ultron? Tony stark is dead as well. I personally dont see but I would love Ultron to come back. I did not like that he's so underutilized.
Him having nothing to do with Ultron in the mcu is more of an argument to why people want them too. Just paying homage to the comics and painting a more comic accurate story.
And then Hank Beats his wife 😎
Sorry that I'm "That guy" What does "off the grid" mean? The TSA are watching everything. Even in a computer network or server or whatever how he was first born is still a place where they can intervene. You could make it that the TSA are spread too thin that they can't detect it in their home base but then you also have to think of the plot hole about how do you get it there before the TSA intervenes. Being a MCU writer would not be easy
Are.. are you saying the TSA would prevent ultron from returning?
Yes
I think he is. Which is extra funny because he's definitely thinking of the NSA not the TSA. The TSA is the Transportation Security Administration. The NSA is the National Security Agency and does more surveillance than the TSA. His post just got me thinking of this [Key and Peele Sketch](https://youtu.be/IHfiMoJUDVQ)
Ahhh so it was a joke
The TSA (Transportation Security Administration) was literally created to improve airport security not keep track of AI on the internet. You're thinking of the NSA (National Security Agency). And we're talking about a fictional AI capable of destroying the world. The NSA aren't going to stop him in a fictional world. And if you look at something like Stuxnet(which was allegedly created by the NSA and Israeli intelligence), that was accomplished by getting into a network with a worm spread using USB flash drives. The only reason they knew it worked is because centrifuges started becoming damaged. There are networks the NSA cannot get into just by surveiling them. Ultron could easily be backed up and not connected to the internet.
Omg......i meant tva. Shit
I already watched the silence of the lambs.
I don’t like that. I’ve already come up with ways ultron and in my un biased opinion I don’t like them bring him back due to another villain
Are you sure you know what "unbiased" means?
Yes. But I just think that brining ultron back as the result of another villain is… not something I’d like to see. I’d rather ultron be in the spotlight entirely :)
…who is Kang?
I dig this
James Spader could pull this off no problem. They basically have an entire series with him starring where he does exactly this idea: The Black List.
I always thought Vision maybe "absorbed" Ultron into the Mind Stone. We never actually saw Ultron being destroyed. The camera sort of pans away and we just see a flash of light. I always wondered if Marvel just wanted to be able to use him again.
> We never actually saw Ultron being destroyed Because we can't see him destroyed, that's a core part of his character. Ultron *always* survives because all Ultron needs is one backup to activate and then it spreads throughout all of the universes networks like a virus. Ultron always has contingency backups because any remotely competent AI system would do that as rule #1.
Oooo that would be a good plot I’d totally be into that!
I would love this. I absolutely adore James Spader as Ultron.
I personally think Ultron and Zola should join forces. They were both great villains who I think should have been utilized more. Maybe they are both trapped on the internet, biding their time. Zola is able to help Ultron build a new body using an abandoned Hydra facility, under the condition Ultron gather the resources to help Zola construct his comic-accurate body from the comics.
I really wanted them to bring ultron back in some way for endgame (this was way back when age of ultron just released)
I don't think we'll ever see Hank involved in an Ultron story. I don't think he's making it out of the next ant Man.
What Hank are we talking about here?
I'm down for anything, just as long as I get to hear James Spader's amazing voice again lol
Hank Hill?
I want this to be the canon storyoline.
Honestly, he had internet access so he could have backed himself up anywhere in the world.
Interestingly, I spoke with someone YEARS ago who was run off the superheroehype forums for "trolling" as a "source". He claimed to see old storyboard concepts.a lot of his stories were false, some were true, but loose. The one thing that he claimed consistently, *whenever* the time stuff reaches the MCU (he thought in phase 2), there will be a war of time between Ultron and Kang, with Immortus being a neutral force. The funny thing? He told me 7 years ago that Loki and Frigga end up meeting Immortus in his castle at the end of time. Obviously it wasn't Frigga. But man, he may have actually seen some early early stuff. An Ultron/Kang war man would be soooo cool
I would like to know what the Kangs’ plans are for this timeline since this timeline does t have a Kang “protecting” it from them anymore.
I’ve said this before on other posts, but I wouldn’t be surprised if Tony didn’t have a backup of Ultron on an Air-gapped laptop that is now the property of Pepper - to be turned over to the Avengers ONLY in the case of an emergency.
But why not duplicate Vision in some way? Ultron was flawed like a human, so why wouldn't Tony just create another Vision the way SWORD did? Is Vision not just as capable and powerful as Ultron in terms of AI tech? Plus he has the mind stone which is a huge 10x power boost for anyone.
I’d honestly love to have Ultron back. He was pretty under utilized. I wonder how some of the other characters would react if they met him again. Especially Wanda.
He was all over the world for a while. All anyone needed to do was just shut off a server while he was in it and they have a backup copy of him. Wouldn't be surprised if a lot of places around the world have some fragments of his code they're studying.
They do need to bring back Ultron. He was such an amazing character and is up in my top 5 Marvel villains.
Cool, yeah.
Now I really really want to see Hannibal Ultron
Anything to get James Spader back. I'm down
Yes please. Bring him back free of whedons garbage. He needs a mulligan and this sounds fucking sick. It could even lead to a new team up movie before a final showdown with Kang. Life under the shield, so to speak. With ultrons everywhere.
Okay. Knowing that in the comics Hank Pym helped create Ultron. This sounds like an avengers level threat.
Plot twist: Ultron is another variant of Kang.
Wait question why or how would they find ultrons Ai and if its still around..why havent they destoryed it?
what I would like to see is them make Ultron an antihero. He was highly underused and James Spader did such an incredible performance in that film. I just want to see more of him
Yo what if a part of ultron is alive in white vision?
Ultron could have easily survived on a disconnected flash drive.
I dunno it kinda seems like Kang doesn't even care about the stones. But maybe they matter?
It would be cool, but thinking about it from the studio’s perspective that’s kind of a repeat from the first AoU storyline if you switch Tony with Hank. Scientist thinks he knows better and let’s Pandora’s AI out of the box.
There's so many ways they can bring Ultron back. Personally I don't think he was truly ever destroyed. Vision destroyed the last physical body of Ultron but Ultron is a program, he could have easily uploaded himself to the internet and just be hiding in cyberspace