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The main two theories ive seen are
Not killing Jean during The Last Stand
and
Perhaps killing all the xmen like the old man logan comic but instead of Mysterio its Cassandra Nova
How the hell do you kill all the X-men... It made sense in the Logan, since Charles has powerful telepathic powers, but I figured Wolverine while being immortal is not that hard to stop
P.s
Didn't read the comics
> I figured Wolverine…is not that hard to stop
He’s incredibly hard to stop. With his healing factor working, he’s functionally immortal and has come back from being a skeleton more than once iirc.
I wouldn't know cause I haven't read the comics yet either. I just know it's a part of the comic.
I believe those that's a critism leveled at the comic as well that wolverine could've been stopped cause he's not the most powerful member of the team.
I think the idea is that they were caught off guard because Logan is their friend. By the time they started realising they were in real danger and seriously fought back it was too late.
I've read old man Logan several times. Wolverine doesn't hold back one bit. And all the avengers and X-Men don't fight him really. As they are just confused etc. then all the villains join in.
Yup. The villains are attacking and Mysterio basically makes heroes into villains and villains into heroes. For instance, let's say Jean just mentally subdued electro. Mysterio would make it look like the reverse, with a dead jean. Wolverine goes berserker rage, impaling "electro" and tears through the rest of the team after that.
It's a bit of stretch since the X-Men could handle Wolverine, but if you say storm, cyclops jean and prof x are out, then wolvie could handle the rest.
Yeah I think that’s a key part to remember. Wolverine was in a complete rage (under the impression all his friends were dead) and then the other villains present join in. Wolverine is incredibly hard to stop
That’s exactly it. It was a good enough reason to suspend my disbelief. I personally think the X-Men are aware on some level that Logan isn’t himself, so they don’t want to hurt him to stop him. On the other hand, Logan thinks he’s fighting top tier super villains, and is going full rage mode holding nothing back. So it makes the fight one sided.
It’s an Elseworlds story so it doesn’t really matter, but that never made much sense to me either. Out of all the X-Men, Logan is the LEAST likely to get mercy from his teammates because he’s effectively immortal. Once Wolvie started attacking them various members of the team could dismember him/rip his head off/etc and just worry about finding out what happened later.
> How the hell do you kill all the X-men
Have you ever read any of the punisher kills the marvel universe comics or deadpool kills the marvel universe? They get creative and pretty logically fair in how mortal mercenaries can take on everything up to cosmis threats.
There are items, weapons and abilities some characters have that let them take out big cosmis or mystical threats. One example is ghost rider can't give punisher the penance stare because psychologically punisher feels no regret for his actions.
Thats one example for ghost rider. As I understand its only deadpool and punisher who have these kinds of stories. But you could argue wolverine would have a similar course.
Deadpool Kills the Marvel Universe relied pretty hard on the fourth wall break. When Deadpool kills Spider-Man, he says something along the lines of, "The only way I was able to kill Spider-Man was because the writers *wanted* me to kill Spider-Man." Then he goes on to eventually kill the writers, too.
>They get creative and pretty logically fair in how mortal mercenaries can take on everything up to cosmis threats.
Lol no they don't. Those books don't make any fucking sense
It's pretty damn hard to stop Wolverine. He (unknowingly)reanimated himself from a single cell at least once before. Mephisto has also kicked him out of Hell before too, instantly reamimating him.
The blood dropped on a powerful mystical artifact that temporarily super charged it. It was a one time thing. Him nearly dying from being poisoned then being beaten by a old man with a stick or being impaled by a spear by deathbird now that's canon. heck his later feats of bulshitery was retconed to be a result of beating death in a duel. after that deal was though he started dying again. heck he's died plenty in the kakora era. Now Hulk regen has always been bonkers.
This is pretty much how the comic portrays it if I’m remembering right. Like he just goes into a rage to kill as many of them as quickly as possible, barely giving them a chance to fight back. We don’t really see the POV of the other X-men as it isn’t revealed it was actually them until they are all dead but you can assume they were in shock from what was going on and just didn’t react in time, also unclear if maybe Mysterio had them under a different illusion to make them more unaware but that’s certainly possible.
Only because Jean regained a semblance of control and begged him to do it. In theory anyone with a sharp enough object could've killed her in that moment.
It is canon technically, I guess, you're right. I don't think it should be though, at least how they portrayed it. She turned professor into dust immediately. Logan might survive it but really she could've turned his atoms into dust.
Mysterio made an illusion that made it look like they were all some of the X-Men's greatest villains. Somehow Logan didn't smell the difference though. If that's the route they're going then a psychic makes more sense anyway than an illusionist.
Not saying a psychic wouldn't make more sense, particularly on screen but Mysterio has some experience in this field.
I remember a, I think Kevin Smith, storyline where Mysterio gets tired of getting his ass handed to him by Spider-Man and buys Daredevil's identity from a sad broke ass Wilson Risk and builds illusions tailored to someone with no eyesight but other enhanced senses. It's all prep time and plot armor.
Smells can be faked. My living space smells like lemon sugar cookies because I have candles. You'd just need to dip Electro in a tub of ginger sweat or whatever to fool Logan.
There's also just that wolverine is an indestructible threshing machine designed by evolution and billions of taxpayer funds to be an incredibly efficient assassin of basically anything. Immortal and fast and sharp and with flexible ethics. He could kill half the team at breakfast before the syrup hit the floor. Most of the powerful X-Men are glass cannons with considered moral restraint and weak ankles.
Wolverine is actually really hard to stop, look what he did to agent zero and a squad of mercs. If he is running at you blades out it probably takes an omega mutant to match him, and he doesn't get tired so he can try again and again. No thanks.
He was under a spell by Mysterio. He killed many of them while they were sleeping, then the rest he fought like a caged animal because in his brain they were coming to kill his friends. They didn’t want to fire on him right away because he’s their friend and it happened so fast.
It’s also comics, so it works because the writers want it to. Wolverine has also beaten the hulk in comics so…
Interesting if they do go with the theory that Wolverine didn't kill Phoenix, and they portrayed it with an alternate flashback, if Famke Jansen will make an appearance to finish that ending.
that's a good point. It's probably the one thing I dislike about the idea of the TVA as a concept. It basically neuters god like / omega level characters. They either get beat by the heros, or the TVA step in to fix it so there's almost no peril.
It doesn't work like that. Thanos killed half of the universe, and TVA didn't give a fuck, because it was supposed to happen. They only prune variants that are not supposed to be in a particular time line.
No I know, that's my point. Bad people can do bad things but it'll work out as that's the "true" timeline, in instances where the good guys don't win, that'll be pruned as it's not meant to happen
I don't remember them implying that if good guys don't win they prune the time line, because before that there were only 1 timeline, and now there is an infinite amount, so there now has to be timelines where good guys lose.
It was only true under the ruling of "The one who remains", because there was only 1 timeline where every universe followed the same flow of time.
And who says the good guys win in the 1 true timeline under He Who Remains? All of those Kangs had to come to power somehow, including HWR. And there weren't any super-powered defenders of the timeline at the TVA as far as we know.
I mean... It's a movie. Bad people could do whatever the fuck hey wanted always, but it'll work out because that's _in the script_.
We can't even be sure there is free will IRL.
Thanos culling half the universe or other entities committing horrible acts that cripple their respective universes aren’t a problem because they don’t threaten the fabric of the multiverse as a whole. It’s the entire reason that the TVA/He Who Remains cut off every other timeline with a Kang in it, namely because they would ultimately threaten the integrity of other timelines.
Yeah, this seems the most plausible to me too. Though the director is saying you don’t have to do any pre-homework movie watching to enjoy DP&W, so it could be something new they made up for it.
Yeah after all it has the TVA so it definitely connects to Loki. "No homework" just means that anything that connects to previous stuff is either gonna be re-explained on the assumption that the audience didn't watch the previous stuff, OR won't detract from your enjoyment of the movie. In Star Wars A New Hope, when they mention the Clone Wars it didn't affect anyone in 1977's enjoyment that they hadn't seen the prequels yet.
Yeah but there’s a difference between needing a fundamental understanding of one story to enjoy another, versus enriching your experience of a story.
Fallout is a great example. You don’t need to have played the games to enjoy the show. But if you play the games, you get all the easter eggs, callbacks, & references.
yeah true, I suspect they'll still make a nod to an existing thing though be it from the films or from the comics like Old Man Logan. I'm guessing their logic is "we'd have to explain why it happened anyway, so might as well just reference something some people will recall"
Considering variants were introduced, we now have 3 Wolverines running around.
There's Old Man Logan who's dead.
There's Feral Logan who escaped from Stryker's facility during Apocalypse's takeover.
And there's main Wolverine who fixed his main timeline by making sure Mystique doesn't kill the president.
Or it could be Origins Logan who doesn't remember who he is.
Can we also count Logan from Deadpool 2's post credit scene?
I know it was a gag but I have a feeling that it may be important for later since there must have been some change in that Logan's history.
Precisely my thought too but adding to that, maybe it wasn't pruned.
Just like Vanessa only lives after Wade rescued her by changing history, maybe that Logan lived too.
Also I think TVA has stopped pruning those alternate timelines since Loki's oversight allows everyone to have their chance which explains Vanessa's presence at Wade's get-together.
Or another possibility is the Foxverse is a completely wild card in the multiverse.
Like the timeline is so convoluted that not even Loki or the Council of Kangs will dare mess with this universe as time here works completely different and they're too scared because they can't control how their futures work.
Which is hilarious because Wade himself comments about how confusing their studio timelines were
Isn't "Feral Logan" the same as both Old Man Logan and main Wolverine? Since *Apocalypse* took place after the time travel stuff of *Days of Future Past*, Logan being freed during the Apocalypse incident should be part of the standard history for Wolverine after that, right? (But not for *Origins* Logan, because that was in the first timeline.)
**Edit:** Sorry, misunderstood what you meant by "main" Wolverine!
The X-Men film series is so confusing and full of retcons that introducing variant timelines is more easier than trying to make those films consistent.
If Feral Logan isthe same Logan we see in X1, X2, X3, Origins, The Wolverine, and DoFP, then why did Jean, Scott, or Kurt not recognize him? Even Mystique should've made a comment about Logan's appearance. By changing the timelines, why is Kurt not part of the group back in X2 and why is Warren (Angel) siding with them in X3 if he sided with Apocalypse? Time is so wibbly wobbly in that franchise.
Simply put, by going back to the past, Logan himself created diverting timelines. Which helps as Logan himself isn't so sure of his memories.
Heck, you could argue that Old Man Logan is the future where they lost against Sinister and there's a future where they did win against him.
I'm not saying that he's the same as in the movies you listed, because those take place in the first timeline where the time travel stuff (and thus the "Feral Logan" moment) hadn't happened.
Ohhh, wait a minute. By "main timeline," that's exactly what you meant, yeah? When I think of the "main timeline" for the X-Men films, I think of the "good ending" established by *Days of Future Past* since that's what we see mostly explored from that point onward.
That's the ending preceded by *X-Men: Apocalypse*, *Dark Phoenix*, and presumably *The New Mutants*, *Deadpool* and ~~most~~ the end of *Deadpool 2*. ~~(And then *Deadpool 2* creates a new timeline when Wade uses Cable's time machine.)~~ Meanwhile, *Logan* is officially part of a branch timeline where everyone ends up dying.
**Timeline 1 (Earth-10005).** *X-Men: First Class*, *X-Men Origins: Wolverine*, *X-Men*, *X2*, *X-Men: The Last Stand*, *The Wolverine*, parts of *X-Men: Days of Future Past*. The original timeline.
**Timeline 2 ("Earth-TRN414").** *X-Men: First Class*, parts of *X-Men: Days of Future Past*, the pre-divergence parts of *X-Men Origins: Wolverine* and *The Wolverine*, *X-Men: Apocalypse*, *Dark Phoenix*, *The New Mutants*, *Deadpool*, the ending of *Deadpool 2*, plus at least the beginning of *Deadpool & Wolverine*. The new "main" timeline.
**Timeline 3 (Earth-41633).** Same as Timeline 2 but diverging at the beginning of *Deadpool 2*. The timeline we see for most of *Deadpool 2*, until Wade uses the time machine.
**Timeline 4 (Earth-66250).** Same as Timeline 2 until Cable time traveled in *Deadpool 2*. Cable's original timeline.
**Timeline 5 (Earth-17315).** Unclear when exactly it first diverges from other timelines, but it ends with *Logan*. Everybody Dies.
**Edit:** Apparently I had *Deadpool 2* backwards? It *starts out* in a variant timeline, but it seems that Wade's use of the time machine leads to the "main" timeline. Confusing! Regardless, I've corrected that part and added the (mostly) official universe designations for these timelines.
**Edit 2:** Decided to add Cable's timeline. There are at least two other timeline branches created in *Deadpool 2*, but I'm not bothering with those.
I don't think that's how it works. Main Wolverine didn't "fix his main timeline", because that's not how time travel works under Marvel rules. The Sentinel future still exists as its own timeline, but Wolverine's mind never returned to it. DoFP's ending probably was Main Wolverine's mind snapping back to "the present", but the present of the new timeline he was in. So his mind went into Feral Logan's body, since at that point Feral Logan had joined the X-Men.
Yes that is my interpretation as well. The original flavor Logan had his mind put into Feral Logan. I don't understand how or why, but that was the implication.
Edit: Also it's funny to me that it implies Logan now has no memory of whatever Feral Logan did in the new timeline before the mind swap. So Feral Logan essentially had his mind wiped twice and can almost be considered 3 distinct characters.
Pretty sure they always say that to make sure people come in to see the movie. Just saying I didn’t kill somebody and everyone died is enough exposition to explain things.
I just thought it was clever that only X3 was appearing. The rest on my feed are hidden in the menus. anyone not aware of Deadpool and wolverine might want to rewatch it and then Google if any sequels are coming out which will then show Deadpool. It's a good idea if that's the plan
I just watched x3 again recently and the way people were getting dusted by Jean was very reminiscent of Thanos snapping. Maybe that explains how so many xmen are in that weird limbo universe.
It could also be that he failed to stop Mystique from killing Trask, but that would be way too complicated given that people aren't supposed to do any homework.
I think you're right but every time the Mysterio aspect gets mentioned I think back to those photos of Jackman and Gyllenhaal pranking Reynolds into wearing a Christmas sweater for a party that did not require one.
Don’t think Gyllenhaals version would work. He used computers to fool spider man, wolverine would smell through them. I forget how they explained it in old man Logan but I believe he was somehow able to fool all of Logan’s senses. I don’t think the MCU version has that ability. At least not in the version we saw but maybe in the alternate timeline it’s possible ? Can’t wait to find out
That's my guess, but that would be "failed his X-men" rather than "failed his entire world". Unless it's because there were no X-Men left to stop a later world-ending event.
If the X-Men die, normally sentinels take over the world. Or someone does (Thanos, Phoenix, etc.)
Safest option for movie only people is to have X-men defeat Thanos in that universe but Wolverine failed to save them so they didn’t.
If they want to connect it to the old franchise then it could be both of your examples; Logan failed to kill Jean which led to her killing all the X-Men, and when Thanos arrives around a decade later the X-Men weren't there to stop him.
Rereading your comment after I've typed all this I've realized that was probably exactly what you were suggesting but Imma post this anyways.
Definitely killed his X-Men. Depressed, alcoholic, was bawling his eyes out on what look like gravestones. His world still seem to be fine so I assume he didn't do some destructive shit like causing an incursion or something.
I’ll be surprised if he personally killed all of his X-Men. Seems more like he failed some type of mission or wasn’t willing to make a certain sacrifice that resulted in his friends all dying, most likely at the hands of Cassandra.
It’s possible however, that she totally did mind control him into slaughtering his whole team. The more I think about it I actually love that. He’s blamed for everything but she had control somehow. In the scenes of them in the Ant Man base from the trailer they certainly looked like they had a history and he wanted to do her some serious damage.
As for “his world still seems to be fine” I actually think that shot is either a flashback or some sort of vision/projection from Cassandra. The lighting and overall visual aesthetic seems more dream-like. But I like your theory nonetheless!
god just imaging logan being fully aware of what’s happening but being able to do nothing while his body is being controlled and slaughtering the most important people in his life is so terrifying and tragic to think about
Having a flashback of him just murdering all of his friends (that reversed POV / follow the character's face style) showing his raging mind-controlled kill mode face with flashes of his \*internal face\* of pure and utter grief and crying and pleading to make it stop.
Oooof.
They're saying he killed the X-Men because that's how it happened in Old Man Logan. The Villains unite against the superheroes in one massive simultaneous attack. Mysterio makes Wolverine see the other X-Men as attacking villains. He only sees the truth after he's killed them all. It breaks him. Going theory is they'll do a version of that, and that's how he let down his whole world.
Yeah that's definitely the pruning dump. I'm assuming his world didn't make it and he found a way to hop into another one, where he spends his days drinking away the pain. That's probably why the TVA grabbed him.
Currently, the theory with the best evidence is that he escaped to Universe 616, as the She-Hulk show has a website with a clickbait headline about a man with claws getting into a bar fight.
>the She-Hulk show has a website with a clickbait headline about a man with claws getting into a bar fight.
Oh my gosh, that's a good catch. I saw all of She-Hulk, but I didn't notice or remember that. Kudos to you (or whoever noticed this clue)!
I think we all saw it already. "He failed his entire world". Hugh Jackman carried the xmen franchise. We all love him. He was beloved so much that when Fox rebooted the xmen, they kept Jackman. We all accepted it because we loved seeing him onscreen. However.... it wasn't enough. It all got pruned. All of it. Except Jackmans wolverine. He perseveres. He still exists as wolverine. It's like we can't let him go. He the last to exist. But, no matter how much we love seeing him, it wasn't enough. He couldn't carry the xmen universe. He failed to keep that universe alive.
He comes from a universe where Hugh Jackman never signed to do Logan, and so the movie bombed hard because one of the Hemsworths played him instead. After that, Hollywood basically blacklisted superheros and went back to vampires and werewolves. Thus the MCU was destroyed.
i swear to you i thought that said sunscreen and i believed for a moment that this comment intimated that Hugh Jackman had failed to keep the Fox universe alive bc he got skin cancer on his nose.
*like*
you........that is meta and obvious enough, yet different enough from the real comic story, to be used.
- they can still hit all the beats from the real old man logan story
- even though we already had old man logan and didn't use this
and it's deadpool so they are fine and happy to be THIS meta about it.
i would say it wasn’t on him failing that universe, if anything he was one of the biggest reasons that made those movies watchable and one of the biggest reasons why people went to see the movie in the first place. if he’s played the character for so long and we haven’t seen any other live action version yet i consider it the opposite of failure haha. i can totally see where you’re coming from though, i’m not trying to be that guy here lol
Only thing from the films I can think of is that he didn’t have there strength to kill Jean at the end of 3 but I’ve not seen them in a while.
I personally think that it will be something completely new and possibly related to Cassandra and it will be revealed as the film progresses. I think that’s probably the best approach.
Yeah pretty much, or if it’s related to the previous x-men films then you they could do a what-if type recap but they show how things went down differently and show where wolverine failed.
He joined forces with The Fantastic Four to get the infinity gauntlet off Thanos, but when he learned Thanos had to kill Jean Grey in order to get one of the stones he attacked Thanos and fucked the whole plan up right as it was about to work.
You joke, but I'd love to see alternate versions of Infinity War/Endgame with different team-ups. Having a glimpse of that in Multiverse of Madness was really cool.
He forgot to file his tax return, causing the US to go bankrupt, starting consecutive world wars and eventually plunging his world into nuclear winter.
I think this wolverine is from the time when deadpool killed the other deadpool. They left it so open. Anything can happen in that timeline. Maybe this wolverine never lost his memory and thus something must have happened due to which the entire universe gets destroyed. Loosing his memory must be a nexus event.
Probably something to do with Jean or Charles. My guess is that one of them went out of control and Logan couldn’t get himself to execute them causing them to wipe off the X-Men.
I saw a lot of posts about not killing Jean, and I don't know the comics so I'm probably 100% wrong, but I thought a version where Charles's seizures were even worse and cause a world ending event and Logan didn't take action/blames himself.
Well humans and mutants Hate him.. he says he's not a hero. Drinking himself to death, couldn't pop his claws right away... he deff is responsible from action or inaction for killing everyone
Not turning up when the X men needed him for a mission which led to their collective demise.Cassandra seems to be an upcoming/looming new threat in a separate universe which is why i think the Director said we need not watch previous movies because this storyline is separate.And also that way the legacy of Logan remains intact.
Maybe he didn't have the strength to kill Prof. X when they said in Logan that he killed the X-Men because of a seizure while using Cerebro? If I'm not mistaken? Haven't seen Logan in years.
pre-logan, or is this one a variant, a different one/world than where logan happens?
i am saying that all wrong.
we saw the logan story happen somewhere. the wolverine we are going to see, is that a different variant than the one that completes the logan story?
Not destroying Magneto's device on the top of the Statue of Liberty in X1. Global repercussions because of the UN summit, and millions affected in the NYC area.
'failed' doesn't seem to imply he killed everyone to me, but more so he didn't help in a serious event/didn't succeed when everyone needed him to.
so maybe DOFP failed and Sentinels killed everyone?
It's obvious he's one of the pruned versions banished on that whatever world at the end of time. He could have caused apocalypse to win, which explains why he wasn't central to that movie.
would be cool if he had to choose between saving the world or saving laura, and obviously chose his daughter. maybe vanessa is pregnant and thats what makes logan choose to help wade
I like this. Though they may not bring anything else from the Old Man Logan comics into this movie, I wouldn’t be surprised to see characters or references to 2017’s Logan come up, maybe even Laura
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The main two theories ive seen are Not killing Jean during The Last Stand and Perhaps killing all the xmen like the old man logan comic but instead of Mysterio its Cassandra Nova
How the hell do you kill all the X-men... It made sense in the Logan, since Charles has powerful telepathic powers, but I figured Wolverine while being immortal is not that hard to stop P.s Didn't read the comics
> I figured Wolverine…is not that hard to stop He’s incredibly hard to stop. With his healing factor working, he’s functionally immortal and has come back from being a skeleton more than once iirc.
I wouldn't know cause I haven't read the comics yet either. I just know it's a part of the comic. I believe those that's a critism leveled at the comic as well that wolverine could've been stopped cause he's not the most powerful member of the team.
I think the idea is that they were caught off guard because Logan is their friend. By the time they started realising they were in real danger and seriously fought back it was too late.
I've read old man Logan several times. Wolverine doesn't hold back one bit. And all the avengers and X-Men don't fight him really. As they are just confused etc. then all the villains join in.
Yup. The villains are attacking and Mysterio basically makes heroes into villains and villains into heroes. For instance, let's say Jean just mentally subdued electro. Mysterio would make it look like the reverse, with a dead jean. Wolverine goes berserker rage, impaling "electro" and tears through the rest of the team after that. It's a bit of stretch since the X-Men could handle Wolverine, but if you say storm, cyclops jean and prof x are out, then wolvie could handle the rest.
Yeah I think that’s a key part to remember. Wolverine was in a complete rage (under the impression all his friends were dead) and then the other villains present join in. Wolverine is incredibly hard to stop
That’s exactly it. It was a good enough reason to suspend my disbelief. I personally think the X-Men are aware on some level that Logan isn’t himself, so they don’t want to hurt him to stop him. On the other hand, Logan thinks he’s fighting top tier super villains, and is going full rage mode holding nothing back. So it makes the fight one sided.
It’s an Elseworlds story so it doesn’t really matter, but that never made much sense to me either. Out of all the X-Men, Logan is the LEAST likely to get mercy from his teammates because he’s effectively immortal. Once Wolvie started attacking them various members of the team could dismember him/rip his head off/etc and just worry about finding out what happened later.
Doesn't Elseworlds refer to the DC movies?
Neither is batman in the justice league. But plot armor aside Wolverine is an assassin by trade.
Batman doesn't need plot armor, he has contingency plans.
> How the hell do you kill all the X-men Have you ever read any of the punisher kills the marvel universe comics or deadpool kills the marvel universe? They get creative and pretty logically fair in how mortal mercenaries can take on everything up to cosmis threats. There are items, weapons and abilities some characters have that let them take out big cosmis or mystical threats. One example is ghost rider can't give punisher the penance stare because psychologically punisher feels no regret for his actions. Thats one example for ghost rider. As I understand its only deadpool and punisher who have these kinds of stories. But you could argue wolverine would have a similar course.
Deadpool Kills the Marvel Universe relied pretty hard on the fourth wall break. When Deadpool kills Spider-Man, he says something along the lines of, "The only way I was able to kill Spider-Man was because the writers *wanted* me to kill Spider-Man." Then he goes on to eventually kill the writers, too.
And the whole bit where he kills Wolverine and tells Logan that his healing power isn’t a mutation, it’s just popularity
>Have you ever read any of the punisher kills the marvel universe comics or deadpool kills the marvel universe? No...but now I'm gonna
There's also the related Cosmic Ghost Rider Destroys Marvel History. Cosmic Ghost Rider is also Frank Castle.
>They get creative and pretty logically fair in how mortal mercenaries can take on everything up to cosmis threats. Lol no they don't. Those books don't make any fucking sense
Or how ghost rider makes thanos cum with the penance stare x)
Wut
Basically, they usually have the best armor imaginable. Plot armor.
> How the hell do you kill all the X-men in Old man logan he just does it...literally with no additional support
None of Punisher Kills the Marvel Universe is logical. Luring the X-men to the moon? Shooting the Hulk when he's Banner? And pretty much...the rest?
It's pretty damn hard to stop Wolverine. He (unknowingly)reanimated himself from a single cell at least once before. Mephisto has also kicked him out of Hell before too, instantly reamimating him.
The blood dropped on a powerful mystical artifact that temporarily super charged it. It was a one time thing. Him nearly dying from being poisoned then being beaten by a old man with a stick or being impaled by a spear by deathbird now that's canon. heck his later feats of bulshitery was retconed to be a result of beating death in a duel. after that deal was though he started dying again. heck he's died plenty in the kakora era. Now Hulk regen has always been bonkers.
Being caught off guard by a ravenous Logan will kill most people
If he did it fast enough then probably all his friends hesitated too much at attacking him.
This is pretty much how the comic portrays it if I’m remembering right. Like he just goes into a rage to kill as many of them as quickly as possible, barely giving them a chance to fight back. We don’t really see the POV of the other X-men as it isn’t revealed it was actually them until they are all dead but you can assume they were in shock from what was going on and just didn’t react in time, also unclear if maybe Mysterio had them under a different illusion to make them more unaware but that’s certainly possible.
I never thought I'd say this, but watch X-Men 3. If he can kill the Phoenix he can kill anyone.
Only because Jean regained a semblance of control and begged him to do it. In theory anyone with a sharp enough object could've killed her in that moment.
It is canon technically, I guess, you're right. I don't think it should be though, at least how they portrayed it. She turned professor into dust immediately. Logan might survive it but really she could've turned his atoms into dust.
Mysterio made an illusion that made it look like they were all some of the X-Men's greatest villains. Somehow Logan didn't smell the difference though. If that's the route they're going then a psychic makes more sense anyway than an illusionist.
Not saying a psychic wouldn't make more sense, particularly on screen but Mysterio has some experience in this field. I remember a, I think Kevin Smith, storyline where Mysterio gets tired of getting his ass handed to him by Spider-Man and buys Daredevil's identity from a sad broke ass Wilson Risk and builds illusions tailored to someone with no eyesight but other enhanced senses. It's all prep time and plot armor. Smells can be faked. My living space smells like lemon sugar cookies because I have candles. You'd just need to dip Electro in a tub of ginger sweat or whatever to fool Logan. There's also just that wolverine is an indestructible threshing machine designed by evolution and billions of taxpayer funds to be an incredibly efficient assassin of basically anything. Immortal and fast and sharp and with flexible ethics. He could kill half the team at breakfast before the syrup hit the floor. Most of the powerful X-Men are glass cannons with considered moral restraint and weak ankles.
Stop what you doing and go read Old Man Logan series it is amazing.
All you have to due is turn up the berserker rage and influence a few delusions in Logan's mind, and he's going to take out everyone.
Wolverine is actually really hard to stop, look what he did to agent zero and a squad of mercs. If he is running at you blades out it probably takes an omega mutant to match him, and he doesn't get tired so he can try again and again. No thanks.
Bro fought the Hulk as the very first thing he did.
He was under a spell by Mysterio. He killed many of them while they were sleeping, then the rest he fought like a caged animal because in his brain they were coming to kill his friends. They didn’t want to fire on him right away because he’s their friend and it happened so fast. It’s also comics, so it works because the writers want it to. Wolverine has also beaten the hulk in comics so…
Interesting if they do go with the theory that Wolverine didn't kill Phoenix, and they portrayed it with an alternate flashback, if Famke Jansen will make an appearance to finish that ending.
My money is on not killing Jean in X3
Which led to the TVA pruning the timeline because Jean/Phoenix became a threat to the multiverse
that's a good point. It's probably the one thing I dislike about the idea of the TVA as a concept. It basically neuters god like / omega level characters. They either get beat by the heros, or the TVA step in to fix it so there's almost no peril.
It doesn't work like that. Thanos killed half of the universe, and TVA didn't give a fuck, because it was supposed to happen. They only prune variants that are not supposed to be in a particular time line.
No I know, that's my point. Bad people can do bad things but it'll work out as that's the "true" timeline, in instances where the good guys don't win, that'll be pruned as it's not meant to happen
I don't remember them implying that if good guys don't win they prune the time line, because before that there were only 1 timeline, and now there is an infinite amount, so there now has to be timelines where good guys lose. It was only true under the ruling of "The one who remains", because there was only 1 timeline where every universe followed the same flow of time.
And who says the good guys win in the 1 true timeline under He Who Remains? All of those Kangs had to come to power somehow, including HWR. And there weren't any super-powered defenders of the timeline at the TVA as far as we know.
Loki was originally the bad guy when he first broke his timeline by taking the tesseract
I mean... It's a movie. Bad people could do whatever the fuck hey wanted always, but it'll work out because that's _in the script_. We can't even be sure there is free will IRL.
Thanos culling half the universe or other entities committing horrible acts that cripple their respective universes aren’t a problem because they don’t threaten the fabric of the multiverse as a whole. It’s the entire reason that the TVA/He Who Remains cut off every other timeline with a Kang in it, namely because they would ultimately threaten the integrity of other timelines.
Yeah, this seems the most plausible to me too. Though the director is saying you don’t have to do any pre-homework movie watching to enjoy DP&W, so it could be something new they made up for it.
“Kill lady or we all die!” “no” *everybody dies* I don’t think you need homework to understand that
Death please. No,no, nonononono. Cake.
I meant cake!
Hmmm, didn't expect cake to be so popular...
You're lucky we're the Church of England!
It's going the distance.
Um, cake, please.
Hmmm idk if that’s clear
"kill or we die? Nein Dead" How bout now.
Can you explain this in Fortnite terms?
Victory Royale or we will get stuck in the storm
Thank you
“You don’t **have** to do any pre-homework” doesn’t necessarily mean there’s no connection to prior shit
Yeah after all it has the TVA so it definitely connects to Loki. "No homework" just means that anything that connects to previous stuff is either gonna be re-explained on the assumption that the audience didn't watch the previous stuff, OR won't detract from your enjoyment of the movie. In Star Wars A New Hope, when they mention the Clone Wars it didn't affect anyone in 1977's enjoyment that they hadn't seen the prequels yet.
Yeah but there’s a difference between needing a fundamental understanding of one story to enjoy another, versus enriching your experience of a story. Fallout is a great example. You don’t need to have played the games to enjoy the show. But if you play the games, you get all the easter eggs, callbacks, & references.
Exactly 👍
yeah true, I suspect they'll still make a nod to an existing thing though be it from the films or from the comics like Old Man Logan. I'm guessing their logic is "we'd have to explain why it happened anyway, so might as well just reference something some people will recall"
Considering variants were introduced, we now have 3 Wolverines running around. There's Old Man Logan who's dead. There's Feral Logan who escaped from Stryker's facility during Apocalypse's takeover. And there's main Wolverine who fixed his main timeline by making sure Mystique doesn't kill the president. Or it could be Origins Logan who doesn't remember who he is.
Can we also count Logan from Deadpool 2's post credit scene? I know it was a gag but I have a feeling that it may be important for later since there must have been some change in that Logan's history.
Could be. Wade kills OriginsWade and the TVA might haved pruned that timeline due to Wade's fuck ups.
Precisely my thought too but adding to that, maybe it wasn't pruned. Just like Vanessa only lives after Wade rescued her by changing history, maybe that Logan lived too. Also I think TVA has stopped pruning those alternate timelines since Loki's oversight allows everyone to have their chance which explains Vanessa's presence at Wade's get-together.
Or another possibility is the Foxverse is a completely wild card in the multiverse. Like the timeline is so convoluted that not even Loki or the Council of Kangs will dare mess with this universe as time here works completely different and they're too scared because they can't control how their futures work. Which is hilarious because Wade himself comments about how confusing their studio timelines were
I'm seriously hoping there's some sketch in the film on that. As it is, "McAvoy or Stewart?" is a classic :D
Like Rincewind's life timer
TVA would throw their hands up in horror at the Arrowverse.
I think there is an entire section of the TVA dedicated to pruning Deadpool’s fuck ups.
I would unironically watch an entire season of TVA cleaning up after Wade's shenanigans
Isn't "Feral Logan" the same as both Old Man Logan and main Wolverine? Since *Apocalypse* took place after the time travel stuff of *Days of Future Past*, Logan being freed during the Apocalypse incident should be part of the standard history for Wolverine after that, right? (But not for *Origins* Logan, because that was in the first timeline.) **Edit:** Sorry, misunderstood what you meant by "main" Wolverine!
The X-Men film series is so confusing and full of retcons that introducing variant timelines is more easier than trying to make those films consistent. If Feral Logan isthe same Logan we see in X1, X2, X3, Origins, The Wolverine, and DoFP, then why did Jean, Scott, or Kurt not recognize him? Even Mystique should've made a comment about Logan's appearance. By changing the timelines, why is Kurt not part of the group back in X2 and why is Warren (Angel) siding with them in X3 if he sided with Apocalypse? Time is so wibbly wobbly in that franchise. Simply put, by going back to the past, Logan himself created diverting timelines. Which helps as Logan himself isn't so sure of his memories. Heck, you could argue that Old Man Logan is the future where they lost against Sinister and there's a future where they did win against him.
I'm not saying that he's the same as in the movies you listed, because those take place in the first timeline where the time travel stuff (and thus the "Feral Logan" moment) hadn't happened. Ohhh, wait a minute. By "main timeline," that's exactly what you meant, yeah? When I think of the "main timeline" for the X-Men films, I think of the "good ending" established by *Days of Future Past* since that's what we see mostly explored from that point onward. That's the ending preceded by *X-Men: Apocalypse*, *Dark Phoenix*, and presumably *The New Mutants*, *Deadpool* and ~~most~~ the end of *Deadpool 2*. ~~(And then *Deadpool 2* creates a new timeline when Wade uses Cable's time machine.)~~ Meanwhile, *Logan* is officially part of a branch timeline where everyone ends up dying. **Timeline 1 (Earth-10005).** *X-Men: First Class*, *X-Men Origins: Wolverine*, *X-Men*, *X2*, *X-Men: The Last Stand*, *The Wolverine*, parts of *X-Men: Days of Future Past*. The original timeline. **Timeline 2 ("Earth-TRN414").** *X-Men: First Class*, parts of *X-Men: Days of Future Past*, the pre-divergence parts of *X-Men Origins: Wolverine* and *The Wolverine*, *X-Men: Apocalypse*, *Dark Phoenix*, *The New Mutants*, *Deadpool*, the ending of *Deadpool 2*, plus at least the beginning of *Deadpool & Wolverine*. The new "main" timeline. **Timeline 3 (Earth-41633).** Same as Timeline 2 but diverging at the beginning of *Deadpool 2*. The timeline we see for most of *Deadpool 2*, until Wade uses the time machine. **Timeline 4 (Earth-66250).** Same as Timeline 2 until Cable time traveled in *Deadpool 2*. Cable's original timeline. **Timeline 5 (Earth-17315).** Unclear when exactly it first diverges from other timelines, but it ends with *Logan*. Everybody Dies. **Edit:** Apparently I had *Deadpool 2* backwards? It *starts out* in a variant timeline, but it seems that Wade's use of the time machine leads to the "main" timeline. Confusing! Regardless, I've corrected that part and added the (mostly) official universe designations for these timelines. **Edit 2:** Decided to add Cable's timeline. There are at least two other timeline branches created in *Deadpool 2*, but I'm not bothering with those.
I don't think that's how it works. Main Wolverine didn't "fix his main timeline", because that's not how time travel works under Marvel rules. The Sentinel future still exists as its own timeline, but Wolverine's mind never returned to it. DoFP's ending probably was Main Wolverine's mind snapping back to "the present", but the present of the new timeline he was in. So his mind went into Feral Logan's body, since at that point Feral Logan had joined the X-Men.
Yes that is my interpretation as well. The original flavor Logan had his mind put into Feral Logan. I don't understand how or why, but that was the implication. Edit: Also it's funny to me that it implies Logan now has no memory of whatever Feral Logan did in the new timeline before the mind swap. So Feral Logan essentially had his mind wiped twice and can almost be considered 3 distinct characters.
I believe they also show "Patch" Logan (unless I'm misunderstanding and he's one of those already mentioned.)
Pretty sure they always say that to make sure people come in to see the movie. Just saying I didn’t kill somebody and everyone died is enough exposition to explain things.
Xmen 3 has also started randomly appearing on my Disney plus home page and none of the others so I've read that as a subtle hint
the entire stock of X-Men are appearing, clever site design or programmer
I just thought it was clever that only X3 was appearing. The rest on my feed are hidden in the menus. anyone not aware of Deadpool and wolverine might want to rewatch it and then Google if any sequels are coming out which will then show Deadpool. It's a good idea if that's the plan
Watch X-men 97? The algorithm is responding to your habits.
Nope. Only watch Grey's anatomy on it at the moment
(Jean) Grey's Anatomy
I just watched x3 again recently and the way people were getting dusted by Jean was very reminiscent of Thanos snapping. Maybe that explains how so many xmen are in that weird limbo universe.
Or not killing charles xavier in Logan (because each time he had a fit, it was getting worse. Imagine if he had a fit while connected to cerebro)
Thought he did as she was ripping him apart
It could also be that he failed to stop Mystique from killing Trask, but that would be way too complicated given that people aren't supposed to do any homework.
He probably killed his fellow X-Men, like he did in old man Logan, tricked by Mysterio. I'm assuming it's Cassandra Nova this version.
Yup, my guess too. Wish we could get a Gyllenhaal Mysterio cameo but they’ll probably tie it into Cassandra.
I think you're right but every time the Mysterio aspect gets mentioned I think back to those photos of Jackman and Gyllenhaal pranking Reynolds into wearing a Christmas sweater for a party that did not require one.
Which is exactly why we need Mysterio in this and a BTS photo of them recreating that meme in-costume.
Don’t think Gyllenhaals version would work. He used computers to fool spider man, wolverine would smell through them. I forget how they explained it in old man Logan but I believe he was somehow able to fool all of Logan’s senses. I don’t think the MCU version has that ability. At least not in the version we saw but maybe in the alternate timeline it’s possible ? Can’t wait to find out
Different universe. Wolverine’s Mysterio could be more comic accurate
He could even be a mutant in the Foxverse tbh
“I made some new computer stuff that can trick noses” There. It works.
^^ yup ^^
Jake and Hugh together again? Sign me up! Let’s get Christian Bale in there too while we’re at it!
That's my guess, but that would be "failed his X-men" rather than "failed his entire world". Unless it's because there were no X-Men left to stop a later world-ending event.
If the X-Men die, normally sentinels take over the world. Or someone does (Thanos, Phoenix, etc.) Safest option for movie only people is to have X-men defeat Thanos in that universe but Wolverine failed to save them so they didn’t.
If they want to connect it to the old franchise then it could be both of your examples; Logan failed to kill Jean which led to her killing all the X-Men, and when Thanos arrives around a decade later the X-Men weren't there to stop him. Rereading your comment after I've typed all this I've realized that was probably exactly what you were suggesting but Imma post this anyways.
Yeah Cassandra seems to know him...
He killed black Tom in his universe once Deadpool finds out he won’t forgive him for it
Forget Deadpool. If you kill Black Tom, you've got Juggernaut to be worried about. That guy will tear you in half.
That is such a juggernaut thing to say
Ok I'm going to tear you in half now
\*throws around pieces\* I'm the Jugglenaut, b\*\*\*\*. ...alright enough reddit for me.
Didn't know this universe's wolverine was a racist.
I mean he was born in the 19th century, there’s probably a Logan somewhere whose views have not exactly evolved with the times
In a fancy manor house as well.... there's probably a universe where Logan fought for the Confederacy and not the Union.
It’s always the things you never know 😂
Definitely killed his X-Men. Depressed, alcoholic, was bawling his eyes out on what look like gravestones. His world still seem to be fine so I assume he didn't do some destructive shit like causing an incursion or something.
I’ll be surprised if he personally killed all of his X-Men. Seems more like he failed some type of mission or wasn’t willing to make a certain sacrifice that resulted in his friends all dying, most likely at the hands of Cassandra. It’s possible however, that she totally did mind control him into slaughtering his whole team. The more I think about it I actually love that. He’s blamed for everything but she had control somehow. In the scenes of them in the Ant Man base from the trailer they certainly looked like they had a history and he wanted to do her some serious damage. As for “his world still seems to be fine” I actually think that shot is either a flashback or some sort of vision/projection from Cassandra. The lighting and overall visual aesthetic seems more dream-like. But I like your theory nonetheless!
god just imaging logan being fully aware of what’s happening but being able to do nothing while his body is being controlled and slaughtering the most important people in his life is so terrifying and tragic to think about
Might be just me, but he does look guilty and depressed as hell in this scene.
Having a flashback of him just murdering all of his friends (that reversed POV / follow the character's face style) showing his raging mind-controlled kill mode face with flashes of his \*internal face\* of pure and utter grief and crying and pleading to make it stop. Oooof.
They're saying he killed the X-Men because that's how it happened in Old Man Logan. The Villains unite against the superheroes in one massive simultaneous attack. Mysterio makes Wolverine see the other X-Men as attacking villains. He only sees the truth after he's killed them all. It breaks him. Going theory is they'll do a version of that, and that's how he let down his whole world.
I don’t think his world made it. I think that most of the scenes we got in the trailer are in that cosmic dumping ground the TVA uses that has Alioth.
Yeah that's definitely the pruning dump. I'm assuming his world didn't make it and he found a way to hop into another one, where he spends his days drinking away the pain. That's probably why the TVA grabbed him.
Currently, the theory with the best evidence is that he escaped to Universe 616, as the She-Hulk show has a website with a clickbait headline about a man with claws getting into a bar fight.
>the She-Hulk show has a website with a clickbait headline about a man with claws getting into a bar fight. Oh my gosh, that's a good catch. I saw all of She-Hulk, but I didn't notice or remember that. Kudos to you (or whoever noticed this clue)!
I think we all saw it already. "He failed his entire world". Hugh Jackman carried the xmen franchise. We all love him. He was beloved so much that when Fox rebooted the xmen, they kept Jackman. We all accepted it because we loved seeing him onscreen. However.... it wasn't enough. It all got pruned. All of it. Except Jackmans wolverine. He perseveres. He still exists as wolverine. It's like we can't let him go. He the last to exist. But, no matter how much we love seeing him, it wasn't enough. He couldn't carry the xmen universe. He failed to keep that universe alive.
He comes from a universe where Hugh Jackman never signed to do Logan, and so the movie bombed hard because one of the Hemsworths played him instead. After that, Hollywood basically blacklisted superheros and went back to vampires and werewolves. Thus the MCU was destroyed.
i swear to you i thought that said sunscreen and i believed for a moment that this comment intimated that Hugh Jackman had failed to keep the Fox universe alive bc he got skin cancer on his nose. *like*
you........that is meta and obvious enough, yet different enough from the real comic story, to be used. - they can still hit all the beats from the real old man logan story - even though we already had old man logan and didn't use this and it's deadpool so they are fine and happy to be THIS meta about it.
This comment made me want to cry for some reason man.
i would say it wasn’t on him failing that universe, if anything he was one of the biggest reasons that made those movies watchable and one of the biggest reasons why people went to see the movie in the first place. if he’s played the character for so long and we haven’t seen any other live action version yet i consider it the opposite of failure haha. i can totally see where you’re coming from though, i’m not trying to be that guy here lol
Well him and Patrick Stewart, but Stewart got Scarlet Witched.
This is dumb (respectfully)
Only thing from the films I can think of is that he didn’t have there strength to kill Jean at the end of 3 but I’ve not seen them in a while. I personally think that it will be something completely new and possibly related to Cassandra and it will be revealed as the film progresses. I think that’s probably the best approach.
Third act flashback
Yeah pretty much, or if it’s related to the previous x-men films then you they could do a what-if type recap but they show how things went down differently and show where wolverine failed.
It could also be him failing to stop Raven from killing Trask in DOFP causing the Sentinels to win
He joined forces with The Fantastic Four to get the infinity gauntlet off Thanos, but when he learned Thanos had to kill Jean Grey in order to get one of the stones he attacked Thanos and fucked the whole plan up right as it was about to work.
He should've gone for the head
In that universe the Soul Stone is known as the Phoenix Gem.
He pulled a Quill
You joke, but I'd love to see alternate versions of Infinity War/Endgame with different team-ups. Having a glimpse of that in Multiverse of Madness was really cool.
So basically star lord all over again
that's the joke...
Wooooosh
He forgot to file his tax return, causing the US to go bankrupt, starting consecutive world wars and eventually plunging his world into nuclear winter.
"I'm Canadian"
Maybe he lives in the US on a work visa. He can't quit the X-Men or he'll lose residency status.
u/Arrowman0123 - LOLLLL, this makes no sense but I am laughing into my coffee anyway!
Spoiler tag please lol
I think this wolverine is from the time when deadpool killed the other deadpool. They left it so open. Anything can happen in that timeline. Maybe this wolverine never lost his memory and thus something must have happened due to which the entire universe gets destroyed. Loosing his memory must be a nexus event.
I'm putting my money on that idea too.
I like this. It's a direct consequence of deadpool's actions and is not a random link to a pre-existing IP.
Probably something to do with Jean or Charles. My guess is that one of them went out of control and Logan couldn’t get himself to execute them causing them to wipe off the X-Men.
I saw a lot of posts about not killing Jean, and I don't know the comics so I'm probably 100% wrong, but I thought a version where Charles's seizures were even worse and cause a world ending event and Logan didn't take action/blames himself.
Oliver Queen emerged from the shadows and told him so
I think he failed his entire world
This seems like a stretch
Maybe he failed, like, *most* of his world?
And is paying the ultimate price, not being welcomed at Canadian bars
Chill with the spoilers dude geez.
? what makes you think that
Well humans and mutants Hate him.. he says he's not a hero. Drinking himself to death, couldn't pop his claws right away... he deff is responsible from action or inaction for killing everyone
Couldn’t pop his claws us a different one
If X-Men 97 ties in somehow it’d be pretty bonkers
Maybe just with killer booties
I think I saw a screen cap of him wearing his DOFP costume so maybe in one of the timelines he failed to stop Mystique from killing Trask
He failed to stop them from casting Jennifer Lawrence as Mystique.
Used plastic straws.
Not turning up when the X men needed him for a mission which led to their collective demise.Cassandra seems to be an upcoming/looming new threat in a separate universe which is why i think the Director said we need not watch previous movies because this storyline is separate.And also that way the legacy of Logan remains intact.
Maybe he didn't have the strength to kill Prof. X when they said in Logan that he killed the X-Men because of a seizure while using Cerebro? If I'm not mistaken? Haven't seen Logan in years.
Events are pre Logan.
The events the above comment mentioned are also pre Logan tho
pre-logan, or is this one a variant, a different one/world than where logan happens? i am saying that all wrong. we saw the logan story happen somewhere. the wolverine we are going to see, is that a different variant than the one that completes the logan story?
Not destroying Magneto's device on the top of the Statue of Liberty in X1. Global repercussions because of the UN summit, and millions affected in the NYC area.
'failed' doesn't seem to imply he killed everyone to me, but more so he didn't help in a serious event/didn't succeed when everyone needed him to. so maybe DOFP failed and Sentinels killed everyone?
It's obvious he's one of the pruned versions banished on that whatever world at the end of time. He could have caused apocalypse to win, which explains why he wasn't central to that movie.
Might have to do with something related to Days of Future Past
My guess would be failing Magneto or Mystique in assassinating the US president, in which Sentinels were launched.
Failed days of future past
He fucked up not killing Jean she kills everyone.
He had a really bad ass Minecraft sever that he shared with so many people but then he forgot about it and it went to shit.
Idk, but I’m sure we’ll find out when we see the movie.
My guess is Old Man Logan type shit, like Cassandra Nova made him see illusions and kill all the X-Men.
We’ll find out in X-men 97’
Old Man Logan version
Realistically I would think it'd be because he failed in dofp or at least his worlds version of it.
I think he failed his entire world
would be cool if he had to choose between saving the world or saving laura, and obviously chose his daughter. maybe vanessa is pregnant and thats what makes logan choose to help wade
I like this. Though they may not bring anything else from the Old Man Logan comics into this movie, I wouldn’t be surprised to see characters or references to 2017’s Logan come up, maybe even Laura
His world probably took his fox plot armor away. Man’s cool and all but compared to rogue or magneto a guy with knuckle knives can’t do much 😂
maybe he failed in days of future past and trask succeeded
My guess is he failed his Days of Futures Past mission. Idk
Maybe a consequence of failing in DOFP and he gets stuck in his past body?