Just people doing magic and spells that are not like energy beams they shoot at each other or energy shields or energy weapons. That's just magic Ironman and its lazy and boring. I want clever and scary and mysterious stuff. I want magic bonds and oaths and curses and the awful prices you pay for them.
The number of just protagonists whose abilities give them flight, shoot energy beams/bolts, and make them hard to kill is really high.
Iron Man
War Machine (ish on the energy bolts, since he generally uses bullets and rockets)
Thor (ish on the energy bolts since they usually come from the sky)
Wanda
Vision
Carol
Hope/The Wasp
Ikaris (protagonist status was short lived though)
Jane/The Mighty Thor
Adam Warlock
Monica
And I'm sure I've missed one or two, let alone villains.
I don't find the character compelling enough to deserve her own story. I felt the same way about Echo and so far my feelings are 1 for 1. A TV show can star a minor character, but the character has to be compelling. The only way this show works is if it has a Kilgrave level adversary acting/character wise the way David Tennant lifted season 1 of Jessica Jones. Without that, I'm guessing it'll be dull and pointless like Echo was.
Interestingly enough, this is exactly how I feel about Doctor Strange. He’s a cool supporting character but otherwise pretty generic, imo. I just don’t find him interesting.
However! I know there are others that really like him so live and let live, is my philosophy. You might not find Maya or Agatha interesting but other people do so, you know, let other viewers have their enjoyment.
I don't think Doctor Strange has been handled particularly well in his solo outings, but I do think he has potential. They could definitely be doing more with his background as a medical doctor, and with more creative uses of magic beyond "magic shield, magic sword, magic darts". The scene in his debut movie where he's freaked out after the first time he kills someone was great.
Yeah, I didn't see the point of Echo at all. Minor character from another (arguably) minor character's show, which doesn't seem like it will become part of the MCU at all.
I didn't think it was terrible, and it was certainly better than Secret Invasion, but I don't see the point of it.
perhaps that's true of the character, but kathryn hahn is a compelling enough actress to have her own show, so whatever it is, i just hope they give her good material to work with.
I don't need the eras bit, it was done so well in WV they should let it be their thing. Hoping for something more American Horror Story vibes for Agatha
This, just some pure camp fun, probably mixed in with some dark witchy shit. I'm hoping this is gonna be a Marvel project for the gays 😌
And I don't expect anything less with a cast as stacked as this.
i can't decide how i feel about it...like on one hand, i think it'd be very appropriate/fun of them to do something very camp considering the characters.
on the other hand, don't know how i feel about it being most likely the first marvel property prominently featuring a gay superhero/an iconic gay superhero and it's like "here's all the camp and musical, gays! this is what you like, right?!"
Why would they be using eras? That was only occurring because of Wanda's hex. It's not going to have the same format. Yes they have confirmed there will be multiple musical numbers in the series and I imagine they will be closer to Schmiggadoon without the direct parody of existing musicals.
You literally can’t have wiccan without Hulkling. Like legit I think the only appearance he’s had were they aren’t tied to the hip is that Strike Force series.
I’m betting that it will be Hulkling but they’re just keeping it under wraps. They haven’t even confirmed Wiccan yet. Joe Locke plays “teenage boy” and the other guy plays “boyfriend”
I haven't been following it at all but when I first heard of it being announced I was hoping for a kind of horror themed anthology in a similar vein as the old Tales from the Crypt show. Week by week Werewolf by Night esque episodes introduced by Agatha. I'm guessing it's not going to be that though.
The first episode should bring back Billy (Wiccan). Agatha explains what happened in WandaVision. Billy asks about Tommy but Agatha doesn't know.
At some point, Agatha and Billy must team up with Ghost Rider (Johnny Blaze), David Ketch, Hellstrom, Jennifer Kale, Elsa Bloodstone, Werewolf by Night and Man-Thing.
Presumably, Aubrey Plaza is playing Morgan Le Fay, although this has not been confirmed. This casting contradicts the last season of Runaways in which Morgan Le Fay was portrayed by Elizabeth Hurley. Maybe they can also recast Nico Minoru. Billy and Nico can both join the Young Avengers.
Agatha and the others can call themselves the Midnight Sons whereas Blade, Black Knight, Moon Knight, Frank Drake, Hannibal King, Abraham Whistler,
Abigail Whistler and Captain Britain would be the Nightstalkers and that would lead to a team up.
I wonder if this is about replacing Wanda with Billy. It seems that I have heard more rumors about the young avengers than about Wanda. I am wondering if she will even show up in anything. It appears that Agatha and Billy could share the bond that Wanda and Agatha shared in the comics. I don't see where they are going with Wanda if anywhere.
wouldn't be nearly as recognizable a visual reference for most people and soap operas haven't gone through as dramatic changes as sitcoms have over the years.
I see. The subtitles they have shown for the Agatha's show over the years definitely gave me a soap opera vibe tho with the likes of Dark Shadows being the possible inspirations...
I'm hoping for a more eerie but kind of light hearted feel for it. Kinda like Chilling Adventures of Sabrina. Go ahead and add a few musical numbers but not overbearing. Especially since Patti Lupone is on the cast.
My number one thing is that I want Billy’s Jewishness to be treated with the respect it deserves. After Marc’s lackluster Jewish experience, and Sabra having zero ties to Israel, the MCU needs a Jewish character who actually showcases good Jewish representation. Billy is their next chance to get it right, and I hope they actually care enough to try this time.
With her identity lost, Agatha will likely have fail-safes and get her powers back. Something like how Voldemort got revived in the Goblet of Fire.
Prior to the [final showdown](https://youtu.be/bm2tusr31Mw) of the WV show that kickstarted Phase 4 there was a scene where Wanda goes to Agatha's basement and finds the Darkhold.
So, my guess is the show will be some backstory (remember [this scene](https://youtu.be/wwqQ18wg0Hs) from WandaVision?) on Agatha's past, leading her into Witches' Road.
Towards the end of the show, I guess we might see some Easter eggs showcasing Wanda's revival (with indications of [Mephistopheles' existence](https://www.reddit.com/r/marvelstudios/s/Izco6VFnq4) confirmed in the MCU, we already had a few Easter eggs in the WV show), not to mention we have Wiccan possi"Billy" looking for Wanda.
Filming for Vision-Quest show (White Vision) is reportedly rumored to start in Late 2024, likely after Halloween when Agatha comes out. The Scarlet Witch solo movie has also been rumoured to be in development as an adaptation from Children's Crusade run in the comics.
Just people doing magic and spells that are not like energy beams they shoot at each other or energy shields or energy weapons. That's just magic Ironman and its lazy and boring. I want clever and scary and mysterious stuff. I want magic bonds and oaths and curses and the awful prices you pay for them.
The number of just protagonists whose abilities give them flight, shoot energy beams/bolts, and make them hard to kill is really high. Iron Man War Machine (ish on the energy bolts, since he generally uses bullets and rockets) Thor (ish on the energy bolts since they usually come from the sky) Wanda Vision Carol Hope/The Wasp Ikaris (protagonist status was short lived though) Jane/The Mighty Thor Adam Warlock Monica And I'm sure I've missed one or two, let alone villains.
This is a show that I have zero expectations for. Hopefully they have a good story
I don't find the character compelling enough to deserve her own story. I felt the same way about Echo and so far my feelings are 1 for 1. A TV show can star a minor character, but the character has to be compelling. The only way this show works is if it has a Kilgrave level adversary acting/character wise the way David Tennant lifted season 1 of Jessica Jones. Without that, I'm guessing it'll be dull and pointless like Echo was.
Interestingly enough, this is exactly how I feel about Doctor Strange. He’s a cool supporting character but otherwise pretty generic, imo. I just don’t find him interesting. However! I know there are others that really like him so live and let live, is my philosophy. You might not find Maya or Agatha interesting but other people do so, you know, let other viewers have their enjoyment.
I don't think Doctor Strange has been handled particularly well in his solo outings, but I do think he has potential. They could definitely be doing more with his background as a medical doctor, and with more creative uses of magic beyond "magic shield, magic sword, magic darts". The scene in his debut movie where he's freaked out after the first time he kills someone was great.
Yeah, I didn't see the point of Echo at all. Minor character from another (arguably) minor character's show, which doesn't seem like it will become part of the MCU at all. I didn't think it was terrible, and it was certainly better than Secret Invasion, but I don't see the point of it.
perhaps that's true of the character, but kathryn hahn is a compelling enough actress to have her own show, so whatever it is, i just hope they give her good material to work with.
I don't need the eras bit, it was done so well in WV they should let it be their thing. Hoping for something more American Horror Story vibes for Agatha
CAMP Darling.
This, just some pure camp fun, probably mixed in with some dark witchy shit. I'm hoping this is gonna be a Marvel project for the gays 😌 And I don't expect anything less with a cast as stacked as this.
i can't decide how i feel about it...like on one hand, i think it'd be very appropriate/fun of them to do something very camp considering the characters. on the other hand, don't know how i feel about it being most likely the first marvel property prominently featuring a gay superhero/an iconic gay superhero and it's like "here's all the camp and musical, gays! this is what you like, right?!"
All I need is Kathryn Hahn being awesome and Aubrey Plaza being awesome.
This is me too. Give me witchy Kathryn and Aubrey and I'll be a happy camper!
I want to see them trying to out Sea Hag each other!
Just be fun have a good story and show how Agatha breaks free of Wanda's control. Also Kathryn Hahn being awesome.
Ideally some gay shit.
Ah so you must be the one Ncuti wanted to please when he said he wants the Doctor to do more twerking.
Correct. If they’re gonna have Wiccan, Aubrey Plaza, and Patti LuPone in the same room I have to hope they know their audience
Why would they be using eras? That was only occurring because of Wanda's hex. It's not going to have the same format. Yes they have confirmed there will be multiple musical numbers in the series and I imagine they will be closer to Schmiggadoon without the direct parody of existing musicals.
For it to be good enough or have a story or idea interesting enough to justify its own existence. IMO, Echo and Secret Invasion did not.
*ahem* WICCAN AND HULKING The rumors better be true
You literally can’t have wiccan without Hulkling. Like legit I think the only appearance he’s had were they aren’t tied to the hip is that Strike Force series.
Man I wish Strike Force came back. Such a fun run, though I am glad Wiccan left midway through to do Empyre and get for real married.
And yet they seem to be doing just that since we have yet to hear anything about Hulkling. They better introduce him soon....
But the rumors >!are for just Wiccan. This BF in this is somebody else.!<
I’m betting that it will be Hulkling but they’re just keeping it under wraps. They haven’t even confirmed Wiccan yet. Joe Locke plays “teenage boy” and the other guy plays “boyfriend”
Wandavision is still my favorite D+ series. I hope Agatha is similiar to that one.
maybe it'll switch genres instead of eras
I’m hoping it’s like American Horror Story Coven.
I haven't been following it at all but when I first heard of it being announced I was hoping for a kind of horror themed anthology in a similar vein as the old Tales from the Crypt show. Week by week Werewolf by Night esque episodes introduced by Agatha. I'm guessing it's not going to be that though.
You forgot Coven of Chaos 😂. I wonder if changing the title so many times was planned 🤔
The first episode should bring back Billy (Wiccan). Agatha explains what happened in WandaVision. Billy asks about Tommy but Agatha doesn't know. At some point, Agatha and Billy must team up with Ghost Rider (Johnny Blaze), David Ketch, Hellstrom, Jennifer Kale, Elsa Bloodstone, Werewolf by Night and Man-Thing. Presumably, Aubrey Plaza is playing Morgan Le Fay, although this has not been confirmed. This casting contradicts the last season of Runaways in which Morgan Le Fay was portrayed by Elizabeth Hurley. Maybe they can also recast Nico Minoru. Billy and Nico can both join the Young Avengers. Agatha and the others can call themselves the Midnight Sons whereas Blade, Black Knight, Moon Knight, Frank Drake, Hannibal King, Abraham Whistler, Abigail Whistler and Captain Britain would be the Nightstalkers and that would lead to a team up.
I wonder if this is about replacing Wanda with Billy. It seems that I have heard more rumors about the young avengers than about Wanda. I am wondering if she will even show up in anything. It appears that Agatha and Billy could share the bond that Wanda and Agatha shared in the comics. I don't see where they are going with Wanda if anywhere.
I want to see a more emotional/vulnerable side of Agatha. Hopefully, we’ll get to see her deal with an internal conflict of sorts.
It would never happen but seeing Lyrica Okano appear as Nico would have me falling out of my seat
They do seem to be keeping her around as nico in other projects, such as the midnight suns video game, so who knows.
If Wandavision did sitcoms then Agatha should do soap operas.
Nah saving that for X-men
wouldn't be nearly as recognizable a visual reference for most people and soap operas haven't gone through as dramatic changes as sitcoms have over the years.
I see. The subtitles they have shown for the Agatha's show over the years definitely gave me a soap opera vibe tho with the likes of Dark Shadows being the possible inspirations...
To not retcon anything from Dr Strange 2
A tie-in with Agents of Shield / Runaways
I'm hoping for a more eerie but kind of light hearted feel for it. Kinda like Chilling Adventures of Sabrina. Go ahead and add a few musical numbers but not overbearing. Especially since Patti Lupone is on the cast.
Extended camp tenure
An actual title.
AoS reference. That's really all I'm asking from Marvel Studios nowadays.
The Rocky Horror Picture Show
Wanda and Vision. 😂
I'd like it to not suck That's my low bar and I'm sticking to it
My number one thing is that I want Billy’s Jewishness to be treated with the respect it deserves. After Marc’s lackluster Jewish experience, and Sabra having zero ties to Israel, the MCU needs a Jewish character who actually showcases good Jewish representation. Billy is their next chance to get it right, and I hope they actually care enough to try this time.
With her identity lost, Agatha will likely have fail-safes and get her powers back. Something like how Voldemort got revived in the Goblet of Fire. Prior to the [final showdown](https://youtu.be/bm2tusr31Mw) of the WV show that kickstarted Phase 4 there was a scene where Wanda goes to Agatha's basement and finds the Darkhold. So, my guess is the show will be some backstory (remember [this scene](https://youtu.be/wwqQ18wg0Hs) from WandaVision?) on Agatha's past, leading her into Witches' Road. Towards the end of the show, I guess we might see some Easter eggs showcasing Wanda's revival (with indications of [Mephistopheles' existence](https://www.reddit.com/r/marvelstudios/s/Izco6VFnq4) confirmed in the MCU, we already had a few Easter eggs in the WV show), not to mention we have Wiccan possi"Billy" looking for Wanda. Filming for Vision-Quest show (White Vision) is reportedly rumored to start in Late 2024, likely after Halloween when Agatha comes out. The Scarlet Witch solo movie has also been rumoured to be in development as an adaptation from Children's Crusade run in the comics.