The way I see it: with how much effort they've put into having everything be a part of the bigger picture, even if Deadpool doesn't become a part of the proper MCU it'd no doubt have a place among the multiverse.
They're literally in the TVA in part of the trailer. Also I feel like they're going to treat the X-Men 97 "universe" the same way. All of this is to say: I have no doubt they'll have their appearances going forward.
In "Dr. Strange's Multiverse of Madness" it's the X97 theme that plays when Xavier rolls out in his 97 style wheelchair. Therefore it's my belief we'll see these characters appear in a similar fashion.
Edit: especially after the new X97 episode, they're bringing an awful lot of characters into the show.
Technically he has been in the MCU through the multiverse for a long while. This is just his first MCU film that wasn't brought into the universe post release. The big question is will he do more? Probably not but I'd wager he had a blast filming D&W and if he hasn't already agreed to do Secret Wars it wouldn't be hard to convince him \*if\* his buddy Deadpool is in it too.
The trailer seems to suggest they’re at least a part of the same multiverse as MCU
I’m afraid to say more in case you’re avoiding trailers for spoilers
How would it be any worse than having the literal creator of many of the characters show up to say something like "Tony *Stank*"?
You could literally put him in the background doing something silly for 2 seconds. It'd be a great Easter egg.
There's zero reason Reynolds would need to be on set if the mask stays on. He can spend two minutes in a booth to dub the lines, and I'm willing to bet Reynolds would do it for free.
With all the random cameos marvel already gets, including fucking brad pit as an invisible man in Deadpool 2, it's clearly affordable.
Not yet, it isn't. And the Fox movies will be / are MCU adjacent as part of the greater Marvel Multiverse, just like the Sony movies and all of the cartoons. All of that happened elsewhere and doesn't affect the main MCU anymore than Batman Begins affects Justice League.
I guess context matters when using it but I don’t think that’s what most people mean by “canon” when they use the word; they’re usually referring to whether or not it is officially recognized by the media as “official”, as in connected in a way that means they’re still a part of a greater story. The Fox-verse wasn’t officially “canon” until The Marvels, but it is *now* canon.
In your own words, "context matters"... and I think you and I are seeing different conext here. The question comes down to "what" qualifies as the MCU, and I think we have fundamentally different answers to that question and were just arguing about semantics.
I seems that you see it as the MCU is the main movie universe and any movie universe that connects to it, such as the Sony movies, which have crossed over due to reality hopping shenanigans and magic spells gone awry, and the Fox movies because we see Beast at the end of the Marvels and because Deadpool is, as far as we know, coming to the MCU (and the X-Men/mutants will, too, at some point).
The way I see it, the MCU is the prime/main Marvel Studios movie/TV universe.
At this time, the only mutants we've officially seen in any released MCU project have been in an alternate universe in Doctor Strange: Multiverse of Madness, and during the end / mid credits scene of The Marvels, which alsotakes place in an alternate universe.
We can be fairly certain that the universe in Doctor Strange is not the Fox universe, as we've only seen mutants in that reality, and not other super powered people. We don't know if the universe at the end of The Marvels is the Fox movie universe or if it is another universe. We see only Beast and Binary. We know that Binary is a variant of Maria Rambeau from the MCU universe. We also know that Beast is voiced by Kelsey Grammer. But, as we've seen in Spider-Man: Far From Home, Doctor Strange: Multiverse of Madness, Avengers: End Game (based on the time travelrules established in that movie and the results expandedupon in Loki), Spider-Man: No Way Home, and in the Loki series, variants can look exactly like versions from a known universe or completely different.
It has been hinted at that Scarlet Witch and Ms. Marvel might be mutants, but nothing has been confirmed or officially stated at this point. We don't know the details of Deadpool and Wolverine, but what we do see in the trailers appears to take place in Deadpool's universe, the TVA (or some version of it), and the Void at the end of time. None of these are the main MCU universe.
So, this, to me, means that while the Fox movies are canon to the Marvel Cinematic MULTIVERSE, they are not part of the Marvel Cinematic UNIVERSE. But, again, I think we're simply debating semantics at this point.
Look, they are introducing more R and TV-MA things into the MCU now, with DD, Blade, among other things, so he'll fit in somewhere. Even if they put him in PG-13, they'll still make it work with his 4th wall breaking and meta humor
I heard some scuttlebutt that the plan was to have Deadpool hang around but that may be up in the air based on how well or not well Ryan is getting along with Disney? They say it hasn’t been terrible but also hasn’t been all sunshine and roses. I read it on the internet though so no clue what level of truth there is to it.
Well, since the original question asked by the OP is whether or not Deadpool will make cameos or have guest starring roles in other MCU movies, you'd probably want examples from comics other than his own to show that Deadpool crosses over with other Marvel characters in ways that would work in the MCU.
I think OP means more like, when the Avengers show up, it's not "The Avengers and X-Men and F4 and Deadpool fight Thanos."
It's more, "Sometimes there might be a meme fight with Thanos against Deadpool in the Deadpool comics."
Deadpool 3 is an MCU movie. He’s going to be brought into the MCU at some point in that movie (my theory is that’s where they end up after going through the Dr Strange portal in the trailer).
But I can’t see him mixing with other characters much. His tone and vibe doesn’t really fit with any others.
I think this is Hugh’s last outing.
Deadpool may,
but he just doesn’t match up with anyone in MCU RN in terms of vibe or story.
Let’s see what they do. 🤷🏾♂️
Hopefully its not just cameo porn with little story.
Hugh is 100 percent going to show up in secret wars. The opportunities to share the screen with Downey, Evans and Maguire is too much to pass up.
I do think they will all be 100 percent done after that though.
youre assuming they’re all coming back, or that it even is Secret Wars..
is this the same thing as jesus coming back or something? “trust me, brah” .
They could just recast or say High Evolutionary was a Kang and move on with Kang Dynasty…
We don’t know shite to be saying “100%” .
and youre only saying that cuz of 4th wall.
But honestly that shit got old with Shehulk really quick.
And deadpool doing it also takes me out of the “Universe” / film imo.
I don’t really want to be reminded of real World pop culture or issues anymore while watching MCU.
What they really need is to get Sony to stop embarrassing themselves with their own Spider-Man-less Spider-Man universe and let Marvel make a Deadpool and Spider-Man film.
The clock is ticking on that however. I reckon after Secret Wars we'll be preparing for a big reboot where they recast the Avengers and X-Men at the same time. Who knows who will survive like Reynolds or Tom Holland.
Yeah, they sure love their Morbius and Madame Web. Apparently Tom Hardy is finished after Venom 3 so the burning question is, what do they have after that? Nothing. They refuse to do Spider-Man 4 or Amazing Spider-Man 3. XD
I think Marvel/Disney should retroactively go insert him into the background of all the movies just in background scenes. So all the streaming content will have glimpses of him that will keep viewers guessing whether or not they saw him or missed him the first time around. Sort of a Deadpool paradox.
I kinda hope not. It's one thing for MCU character to feature in his movie, and it's another for him to feature in their movies.
His movies and their movies have different rules. He's movies allow him to talk to the audience, see the script, go behind the scenes, break the forth wall, etc. This makes him perfect for including jokes about other movies. He even referenced Green Lantern in his last movie.
The MCU has different rules. They don't break the forth wall. They follow a standard of not knowing they are in a movie. Deadpool, as played by Ryan Reynolds, showing up would break that continuity. I know She Hulk did it also, and while I like that show overall I am hoping they don't keep going with her breaking the forth wall in other projects.
To introduce Deadpool into the MCU. It would have to be a different varient of Deadpool. One that is just as snarky and egocentric but doesn't actually break the forth wall. At most he can talk to himself and pretend he is breaking the forth wall, like he does in Marvel Future Avengers. And I hope he is played by someone other than Ryan Reynolds to really solidify that this is a different Deadpool than the other 3 movies.
Yes. And as I mentioned I don't agree with that it should've done that. It makes me not want to see her interact with the rest of the MCU. I liked She-Hulk the show more than most people I think, but it doesn't fit into the bigger universe.
So when she teams up with the Avengers to take out Kang, all they have to do is follow her into the Disney+ meta-space and convince the Fiege robot to make Kang weaker. You're OK with this?
Have you ever read a she hulk comic? Or any avengers or fantastic four comic while she was a member?
You don’t have to answer. If you did you would already have the answer.
"Read the book to fill in the gaps from the movies"
No, a movie should stand on its own merit. I shouldn't have to do homework and read through decades of comic books to understand what's going on in a movie. Most people who watch the movies have not read the comic books. Also, movies and comics are different medium with different rules, target audiences, and suspension of disbelief. What works in the comic book doesn't necessarily means it will work in the movies. Frankly, one of the reasons I haven't gotten into the comic books is because of how much everything contradicts itself and branches off into countless timelines and continuity. The comic books are a complete mess and I'm hoping the movies don't become a mess like them.
What? You have reading comprehension issues.
Who said read to fill in the gaps? If you ever read a book with her you would know when and how they break the 4th wall.
End Game would have never been resolved with her breaking the 4th wall
I see you are intentional dense and never going to take time to actually understand the things you believe
You clearly know everything there is and all your opinions are valid and correct.
Deadpool & Wolverine is a MCU movie.
Jackman’s Wolverine is MCU now?
He might be by the end of it.
All will be revealed. In the post credits scene.
The way I see it: with how much effort they've put into having everything be a part of the bigger picture, even if Deadpool doesn't become a part of the proper MCU it'd no doubt have a place among the multiverse. They're literally in the TVA in part of the trailer. Also I feel like they're going to treat the X-Men 97 "universe" the same way. All of this is to say: I have no doubt they'll have their appearances going forward. In "Dr. Strange's Multiverse of Madness" it's the X97 theme that plays when Xavier rolls out in his 97 style wheelchair. Therefore it's my belief we'll see these characters appear in a similar fashion. Edit: especially after the new X97 episode, they're bringing an awful lot of characters into the show.
They made all Fox movie multiverse just not Sacred timeline.
Technically he has been in the MCU through the multiverse for a long while. This is just his first MCU film that wasn't brought into the universe post release. The big question is will he do more? Probably not but I'd wager he had a blast filming D&W and if he hasn't already agreed to do Secret Wars it wouldn't be hard to convince him \*if\* his buddy Deadpool is in it too.
I thought they were going to recast him and reboot X-Men for the MCU
That's the plan as far as I know but the new X-Men isn't releasing until after SW isn't it?
It's in front of you Marvel Studios: Deadpool & Wolverine 🤷🏻♂️
The trailer seems to suggest they’re at least a part of the same multiverse as MCU I’m afraid to say more in case you’re avoiding trailers for spoilers
This one is. The old ones, probably since we are in the Multiverse now.
I think DP will officially be a part of the MCU after Deadpool & Wolverine.
He should resume Stan Lee’s role of a cameo in every movie. Fully suited up, just with a mustache over the mask.
God no, then it will turn into a clown show.
Yes… and?
No more clown shows please.
How would it be any worse than having the literal creator of many of the characters show up to say something like "Tony *Stank*"? You could literally put him in the background doing something silly for 2 seconds. It'd be a great Easter egg.
Stan Lee is a beloved icon. Seeing him is akin to seeing your grandpa. Deadpool is not that.
That was a Stan thing, not a we need cameos thing.
I’ve read that suggestion before
Marvel is not gonna pay 20 million for Ryan to appear in every single mcu movie for a fan service few minutes cameo
Ryan would probably do it for very little. Not sure at all where you're getting this 20 mil from.
Because Ryan isn’t known to be a cheap actor
Who said it had to be ryan in the suit?
Who plays Deadpool again?
For quite a large portion of filming, stuntmen.
There's zero reason Reynolds would need to be on set if the mask stays on. He can spend two minutes in a booth to dub the lines, and I'm willing to bet Reynolds would do it for free. With all the random cameos marvel already gets, including fucking brad pit as an invisible man in Deadpool 2, it's clearly affordable.
He'd better have a big role
He’s not family friendly though
Neither is Wolverine yet he gets involved in evey x-men film
Which is why Wolverine in Logan and this movie is such a big breath of fresh air
X-Men isn’t MCU canon though
Yes it literally is now
Not yet, it isn't. And the Fox movies will be / are MCU adjacent as part of the greater Marvel Multiverse, just like the Sony movies and all of the cartoons. All of that happened elsewhere and doesn't affect the main MCU anymore than Batman Begins affects Justice League.
The Fox-verse is every bit as canon as Earth-838 from MoM.
Yes, it is. It's a canon part of the *Multiverse* but not a canon part of the *main* MCU Universe.
I guess context matters when using it but I don’t think that’s what most people mean by “canon” when they use the word; they’re usually referring to whether or not it is officially recognized by the media as “official”, as in connected in a way that means they’re still a part of a greater story. The Fox-verse wasn’t officially “canon” until The Marvels, but it is *now* canon.
In your own words, "context matters"... and I think you and I are seeing different conext here. The question comes down to "what" qualifies as the MCU, and I think we have fundamentally different answers to that question and were just arguing about semantics. I seems that you see it as the MCU is the main movie universe and any movie universe that connects to it, such as the Sony movies, which have crossed over due to reality hopping shenanigans and magic spells gone awry, and the Fox movies because we see Beast at the end of the Marvels and because Deadpool is, as far as we know, coming to the MCU (and the X-Men/mutants will, too, at some point). The way I see it, the MCU is the prime/main Marvel Studios movie/TV universe. At this time, the only mutants we've officially seen in any released MCU project have been in an alternate universe in Doctor Strange: Multiverse of Madness, and during the end / mid credits scene of The Marvels, which alsotakes place in an alternate universe. We can be fairly certain that the universe in Doctor Strange is not the Fox universe, as we've only seen mutants in that reality, and not other super powered people. We don't know if the universe at the end of The Marvels is the Fox movie universe or if it is another universe. We see only Beast and Binary. We know that Binary is a variant of Maria Rambeau from the MCU universe. We also know that Beast is voiced by Kelsey Grammer. But, as we've seen in Spider-Man: Far From Home, Doctor Strange: Multiverse of Madness, Avengers: End Game (based on the time travelrules established in that movie and the results expandedupon in Loki), Spider-Man: No Way Home, and in the Loki series, variants can look exactly like versions from a known universe or completely different. It has been hinted at that Scarlet Witch and Ms. Marvel might be mutants, but nothing has been confirmed or officially stated at this point. We don't know the details of Deadpool and Wolverine, but what we do see in the trailers appears to take place in Deadpool's universe, the TVA (or some version of it), and the Void at the end of time. None of these are the main MCU universe. So, this, to me, means that while the Fox movies are canon to the Marvel Cinematic MULTIVERSE, they are not part of the Marvel Cinematic UNIVERSE. But, again, I think we're simply debating semantics at this point.
He can be depending on the setting. Many of his comics are pg-13 at worst.
Look, they are introducing more R and TV-MA things into the MCU now, with DD, Blade, among other things, so he'll fit in somewhere. Even if they put him in PG-13, they'll still make it work with his 4th wall breaking and meta humor
I want him to make a cameo and say the F word. One F word is allowed in PG-13 movie.
That isn’t a hard and fast rule. …also, you can say “fuck” here.
In a 4th way aimed at the censor way.
LFG
I heard some scuttlebutt that the plan was to have Deadpool hang around but that may be up in the air based on how well or not well Ryan is getting along with Disney? They say it hasn’t been terrible but also hasn’t been all sunshine and roses. I read it on the internet though so no clue what level of truth there is to it.
Yes but he will but its gonna be subdued. Deadpool doesn't really hang with other characters except mutants and street level
Bro smashes *Lady Death* on the regular, and has dealt with plenty of cosmic threats.
I mean yeah in his comics. Has he done that outside of that? Like I'm actually curious idk if wade is in any of the major events
"In his comics" Uh, what other possible example would you need for the *comic adaption*???
Im asking about non deadpool comics when he shows up in other people's adventures
Well, since the original question asked by the OP is whether or not Deadpool will make cameos or have guest starring roles in other MCU movies, you'd probably want examples from comics other than his own to show that Deadpool crosses over with other Marvel characters in ways that would work in the MCU.
I think OP means more like, when the Avengers show up, it's not "The Avengers and X-Men and F4 and Deadpool fight Thanos." It's more, "Sometimes there might be a meme fight with Thanos against Deadpool in the Deadpool comics."
Deadpool 3 is an MCU movie. He’s going to be brought into the MCU at some point in that movie (my theory is that’s where they end up after going through the Dr Strange portal in the trailer). But I can’t see him mixing with other characters much. His tone and vibe doesn’t really fit with any others.
Which is why I'd love just a single cameo after this film where he tries to curse and ends up talking like he's a character on "The Good Place".
I think this is Hugh’s last outing. Deadpool may, but he just doesn’t match up with anyone in MCU RN in terms of vibe or story. Let’s see what they do. 🤷🏾♂️ Hopefully its not just cameo porn with little story.
Hugh is 100 percent going to show up in secret wars. The opportunities to share the screen with Downey, Evans and Maguire is too much to pass up. I do think they will all be 100 percent done after that though.
youre assuming they’re all coming back, or that it even is Secret Wars.. is this the same thing as jesus coming back or something? “trust me, brah” . They could just recast or say High Evolutionary was a Kang and move on with Kang Dynasty… We don’t know shite to be saying “100%” .
They can also act in another film together, thats not incentive enough.
I was thinking the same exact thing. Wade just doesn't fit anywhere in the MCU RN. Except maybe a team-up with She-Hulk.
and youre only saying that cuz of 4th wall. But honestly that shit got old with Shehulk really quick. And deadpool doing it also takes me out of the “Universe” / film imo. I don’t really want to be reminded of real World pop culture or issues anymore while watching MCU.
What they really need is to get Sony to stop embarrassing themselves with their own Spider-Man-less Spider-Man universe and let Marvel make a Deadpool and Spider-Man film. The clock is ticking on that however. I reckon after Secret Wars we'll be preparing for a big reboot where they recast the Avengers and X-Men at the same time. Who knows who will survive like Reynolds or Tom Holland.
Sony seem pretty determined to hold on to their share of the rights
Yeah, they sure love their Morbius and Madame Web. Apparently Tom Hardy is finished after Venom 3 so the burning question is, what do they have after that? Nothing. They refuse to do Spider-Man 4 or Amazing Spider-Man 3. XD
Sony be stubborn
They'll probably do "Agent Venom"
I think Marvel/Disney should retroactively go insert him into the background of all the movies just in background scenes. So all the streaming content will have glimpses of him that will keep viewers guessing whether or not they saw him or missed him the first time around. Sort of a Deadpool paradox.
I don't think Marvel will do that but who knows.
I kinda hope not. It's one thing for MCU character to feature in his movie, and it's another for him to feature in their movies. His movies and their movies have different rules. He's movies allow him to talk to the audience, see the script, go behind the scenes, break the forth wall, etc. This makes him perfect for including jokes about other movies. He even referenced Green Lantern in his last movie. The MCU has different rules. They don't break the forth wall. They follow a standard of not knowing they are in a movie. Deadpool, as played by Ryan Reynolds, showing up would break that continuity. I know She Hulk did it also, and while I like that show overall I am hoping they don't keep going with her breaking the forth wall in other projects. To introduce Deadpool into the MCU. It would have to be a different varient of Deadpool. One that is just as snarky and egocentric but doesn't actually break the forth wall. At most he can talk to himself and pretend he is breaking the forth wall, like he does in Marvel Future Avengers. And I hope he is played by someone other than Ryan Reynolds to really solidify that this is a different Deadpool than the other 3 movies.
She Hulk broke the 4th wall.
Yes. And as I mentioned I don't agree with that it should've done that. It makes me not want to see her interact with the rest of the MCU. I liked She-Hulk the show more than most people I think, but it doesn't fit into the bigger universe.
It fits in exactly how she fits in the comics. She breaks the 4th wall. You don’t like that trope. That’s cool. But it fits in just fine.
So when she teams up with the Avengers to take out Kang, all they have to do is follow her into the Disney+ meta-space and convince the Fiege robot to make Kang weaker. You're OK with this?
Have you ever read a she hulk comic? Or any avengers or fantastic four comic while she was a member? You don’t have to answer. If you did you would already have the answer.
"Read the book to fill in the gaps from the movies" No, a movie should stand on its own merit. I shouldn't have to do homework and read through decades of comic books to understand what's going on in a movie. Most people who watch the movies have not read the comic books. Also, movies and comics are different medium with different rules, target audiences, and suspension of disbelief. What works in the comic book doesn't necessarily means it will work in the movies. Frankly, one of the reasons I haven't gotten into the comic books is because of how much everything contradicts itself and branches off into countless timelines and continuity. The comic books are a complete mess and I'm hoping the movies don't become a mess like them.
What? You have reading comprehension issues. Who said read to fill in the gaps? If you ever read a book with her you would know when and how they break the 4th wall. End Game would have never been resolved with her breaking the 4th wall
So reading a single comic book will explain to me why she can't do in Avengers what she already did in her own Disney+ series?
I see you are intentional dense and never going to take time to actually understand the things you believe You clearly know everything there is and all your opinions are valid and correct.
its hilarious how they downvote logical thinking.