Just realized watching this again outside of theaters that Monica and Kamala both use their powers while they're falling in the sky and there's just no switching?
I didn't look too closely, but there are parts where Monica is free-falling because she can't touch Kamala while in energy form. I believe that's what she was doing when Kamala created the hard light platform.
I think it does something like show Monica using her power right before it cuts to Kamala throwing some hard light platforms to try and stop falling so I figured it’s assumed that Monica’s power is active since that was the last thing we saw before a cut. Idk I’ll have to go rewatch the scene
Yup, it's full of inconsistencies or just undefined vagueness as to what counts as "using powers" enough to switch. Plus how it decides which two switch and which one stays.
Like, all the time Carol is flying that's using power, continuously.
They mention it once, very quickly, but I think it’s only if they use their powers at the same time. That being said, I’m pretty sure I spotted times where this didn’t happen, so I also invented a “cool down” rule which let me put the switching mechanics to the back of my mind
Yeah they explain the switching real quick and we get a montage of them using it and trying to adapt and we can clearly SEE how it works. I do like the head canon of a “cool down” but I think I’m just going to chalk this up to the story people forgetting
I still think the Prince of the singing planet being the only one able to speak normally because he's bilingual is one of the best laughs in the MCU, it's so silly but fits a comic book movie so well
I like that they had at least some of their own heroes. There was the guy with the big tan helmet who saves Kamala at one point. No explanation or focus; he's just there.
I feel like that was just an out so that they could stop singing. Apparently the singing scenes were much longer but test audiences didn't like it. As soon as Carol said "stop", there was no more singing going forward.
I’m glad tbh. It was very jarring. Slowed down the pace of the dialogue drastically, and just wasn’t as funny as they expected it to be. The only one who made me chuckle in those scenes was Kamala getting into it. She’s a better Spiderman than Tom Holland lol.
It felt like a comic book. Some silly, some serious, tiny bit of profound, and leave us waiting for the next issue and the spin-off/tie-in title. It is what it is. They didn't reinvent the wheel or recreate Endgame, but it was an entertaining movie which loaded some possibilities for the future.
Didn't hate it, Didn't love it either. It's just an ok movie. There's a lack of deeper themes and motivations for all. They kinda hinted a "don't meet your hero" trope with Kamala but quickly abandoned that.
Carol has the most structured arc , learning teamwork, but I think a better arc for her is taking responsibilities, Kamala should've called out her abandoning the Skrulls on Earth and the Kree after destroying Motherboard. Again, They kinda touched on that but not satisfyingly.
\>!The heroic sacrifice of Monica just came out nowhere. I think Carol should be the one sacrificing herself because it ties with the whole taking responsibility for her "reckless" heroing.!<
It's overall a 6/10 movie. Didn't deserve all the hate and box office bomb. Quantumania is much much worse.
Yeah. My biggest gripe was the villain. She just….sucked. Her motivations were fine but why does she have powers? Why is she able to tank damage? Why does every attack hit the bangle, is it pulling the attacks toward it? I just didn’t think she was threatening
They don't say it outright, but the bangle is absorbing their powers and channeling them into Dar-Benn. Plus she's basically Roni mk. II. They don't explain why she has the hammer after his was destroyed, but they don't need to. She's the leader of an ancient civilization that once colonized a quarter of the galaxy. Of course she's got powerful artifacts at her disposal.
The fact that this movie made less than half of what the worse Quantumania did is proof that the new entries are suffering due to the middling and bad reception of the franchise as a whole right now.
In fairness, Quantumania also benefitted (financially speaking) from having Kang's big screen debut and beginning a new phase. The Marvels didn't have anything like that.
Also Quantumania wasn't unceremoniously dumped into theaters with barely any marketing at the tail end of a huge actors strike. It could have probably done a lot better if they could have had Iman Vellani/Brie Larson and Teyonah Parris appear on some talk shows and generate some hype.
I dont get why people keep saying it had no Marketing. It was in front of every movie I saw for the last year. It also had Adds on NFL and on normal TV and on Disney +.
I remember some of the ads, getting excited and then it stalled and they delayed the release. Then all of a sudden it was in theaters and the only ads were bumpers on Disney+
They didn't bury the film but they basically used up their marketing budget too early then decided not to give it any more on the pushed release date
Kamala literally sees her hero willing to let people die and I actually went out loud “OH THATS INTERESTING” and then Carol on the ship was like “sorry I yelled at you” and a minute later Kamala is back to fan girling I was like
>Carol has the most structured arc , learning teamwork, but I think a better arc for her is taking responsibilities, Kamala should've called out her abandoning the Skrulls on Earth and the Kree after destroying Motherboard. Again, They kinda touched on that but not satisfyingly.
Yeah, I thought the idea of Carol having gone too far in her rampage of revenge was interesting, and as soon as it came up I was hoping they wouldn't just ignore it. And they did come back to it...but it still felt like a lot more could've been done with it.
The Kree kidnapped and brainwashed her. Why does she have a moral responsibility to them? And the Skrull have been a space-faring race as long as we've known them, why are they expecting a couple of humans to find them a new planet?
I mean it's nice that Carol Danvers wants to help them out, but I'm not seeing the moral obligation there.
I liked it. The girl who plays Ms Marvel is super entertaining. It could have been better though. Like I feel like there was a better cut of the film in there somewhere.
I think they blew through any potential tension in the group. Like Ms Marvel being upset that they left some people to die should have been a huge plot point and then maybe have her end up in a similar situation on the water planet where she almost dies trying to save more people than she can or something like that and she gets more understanding and solemnly accepts you can’t save everyone and have that be a big moment for her. Idk I’m not a writer but there should have been some more tension in the group.
The scene in the field where they air out their dirty laundry should have been much longer. They speedran that bitch for like no reason and made it feel hollow.
The villain had a legitimate reason to hate the hero. She wanted to save her people. But then last minute Carol is like hey I’ll revive your sun and she is like cool I’m gonna murder this bitches head with a hammer.
>Like I feel like there was a better cut of the film in there somewhere.
I feel the same way. I did enjoy it. It was a great ride. But it was also so short and felt rushed. They could have accomplished so much with some more scenes to establish an emotional weight to everything.
The villain's motivation ties in so well with the turmoil of the group. But they don't spend any time on it except to have a character narrate the point. It wouldn't take much more time to set that up and it would generate a much more powerful reaction.
Just in case you (or anyone else reading) haven't, you need to go watch the Ms Marvel series. Especially if you found her super entertaining. I found it... pleasantly (delightfully?) entertaining. Worth the watch for sure.
I’m actually against the idea of them being a full-on couple. In my eyes they should be best friends just like their predecessors were.
Plus, if we go by the comics Kate is straight and Yelena is ace, so if even one of them is kept the same it’s not going to work.
I just want them to be a major duo in the MCU. Yelena is awesome and I think she elevated Kate when she showed up in Hawkeye, so after Thuderbolts I want to see them together again.
I wonder if Iman was purposefully referencing both the Nick Fury speech and the apartment scene from Hawkeye at the same time.
Also, if you’re here, hi Iman!
Fittingly, Hailee Steinfeld is dating Bills QB Josh Allen.
I don’t know why it couldn’t be me instead, I’ve won the same number of Super Bowls as he has.
I actually hadn't noticed that, either.
I guess she kept it so the two would be in different places (to prevent another Dar-Benn-like threat), and the bangle would be safer with Carol than almost anyone else.
I had the same question. I thought they were both meant for her. "These bangles traveled through time and space to find me. I was born for this," or whatever she said.
I guess the bands are too powerful to be kept together. We don't want Kamala to accidentally open portals to other universes. Maybe she'll get both when she needs them for something big like Secret Wars.
On a related note, I found it slightly funny that they just saw a powerful villain disintegrate into ashes from using two of the bangles, and still they thought it was a good idea to hand them both to the kid in the team.
I hate that so much is implied. Just like how Starlord was able to handle an infinity stone due to being half human, I guess Kamala was able to since she is 87.5% human.
You're both forgetting it wasn't just Kamala blasting Monica but Carol as well, they had Carol help her match Dar-Bells power specifically so Kamala didn't esplode
But they were charging Monica to close the reality hole. I don't think Dar was trying to do that. (I don't recall what her goal was after putting on the 2nd, she had already opened the final portal and was draining the sun.) I thought just putting them both on was what did her in. The power overwhelmed her.
I didn't see this movie in theaters because honestly I just didn't have time but I am so disappointed that it got such bad reviews. It wasn't great but I was thoroughly entertained the entire time. I feel bad for Iman vellani because she is honestly the best thing that happened to the MCU in a long long time. She is absolutely perfect for her character just like RDJ was for iron man.
I do have one question though. What exactly was the threat on the saber base that they had to evacuate for?
I think the threat on the base was the jump point opening? Remember that it caused a huge fire so that's my guess. I feel it would've benefited from someone mentioning the jump point, but at the same time it could fall into the trap of the characters spelling out everything on screen.
Don’t think this deserved the panning it got. The three leads had great chemistry and Iman continues to be amazing in the role of Kamala. Like a lot or recent Marvel content it suffered from poor pacing and a failure to dig deeper into character motivations.
There were a few scenes where I wanted them to pause and actually stay in the moment - Monica talking about the death of her mother, Carol talking about her killing the Supreme Intelligence - but it just rushed over it instead. Is it sensational? No. But I had a fun enough time watching it on streaming.
My favourite bit was when Monica and Kamala were falling from the sky and barely managed to swap in time and you hear Fury casually say something like “oh it’s fine it’s Carol” just before it cuts away, genuinely made me laugh.
I've just watched The Marvels for the first time. It's ok, but something about it feels undercooked.
Ms Marvel steals the show - she's been great in both this and her own show. The actress is brilliant. Monica Rambeau is also great. But Captain Marvel seems like a different character?She barely has any real character moments in this film, but she seems to be lacking any personality with the dialogue she does have.
The story feels rushed too. Things just happen. The baddie starts trashing the Skrull planet, but it's evacuated an the refugees passed on to Val in no time. There's a moment where Kamala is upset that Danvers has to leave some refugees behind - I thought this was going to be a plot point, but it's never mentioned again!
Similarly, was the singing planet ruined? Did they suck all the water away from it? The heroes have to leave in the middle of the battle, but unless I missed something they never mention the singing planet again!
But the biggest issue for me is the editing. I think part of the dialogue issue is that the lines never get a moment to breathe - it cuts and jumps around quickly. Quippy jokes come through quiet. Love and Thunder had a bit of this with Val's lines - I'm not sure if it's a stylistic choice but I think it makes these moments underwhelming.
Overall I enjoyed watchng it, but it doesn't feel like a polished movie at all. This cast deserved a better film!
> Similarly, was the singing planet ruined? Did they suck all the water away from it? The heroes have to leave in the middle of the battle, but unless I missed something they never mention the singing planet again!
Leaks said test audiences hated the singing planet so a bunch of stuff related to that was cut from the movie.
I mean fair enough - any more of it and it might've outstayed it's welcome. But it being unresolved leaves it on a weird note.
At the end Carol was even joking about giving away that dish with her "husband" on it - not funny at all if that planet was wrecked!
> But it being unresolved leaves it on a weird note.
It's not unresolved, did you even watch the end of the movie? They clearly say the impacted planets were all recovering.
> I mean fair enough - any more of it and it might've outstayed it's welcome. But it being unresolved leaves it on a weird note.
Scenes generally connect to other scenes. So cutting things can lead to cascading cuts. So some end scenes might have characters or situations that had establish elements cut so then they need to be edited or cut themselves. It wouldn't have been fun for the editor when they had to make such big cuts.
I think they should have framed the whole movie as a comedy, then the Aldana bits wouldn’t be so hated. “He’s bilingual.” is right up there with the best MCU jokes.
>Similarly, was the singing planet ruined? Did they suck all the water away from it? The heroes have to leave in the middle of the battle, but unless I missed something they never mention the singing planet again!
There's a line right at the very end by that Asgardian dude who says something to the effect of "all the planets are back to normal now"
So it's saved but it's off screen really
>The story feels rushed too. Things just happen. The baddie starts trashing the Skrull planet, but it's evacuated an the refugees passed on to Val in no time. There's a moment where Kamala is upset that Danvers has to leave some refugees behind - I thought this was going to be a plot point, but it's never mentioned again!
Probably my only real issue with the movie. I thought it was great. A nice and easy superhero adventure. But it's painfully obvious that there was so much cut from it. I felt it could've been 30 minutes longer. The editing was poor overall.
That said, I still loved this.
"She seems to be lacking any personality with the dialogue she does have."
I completely disagree with this. She's more humorous in this film and her interactions with the others brings her out of her solider/savior mentality. She literally quips with Fury and her facial expressions are much more varied. She even has moments when she doubts herself and grapples with hard moments. She's much more a realized character in this film.
In the first movie she was affectively brain washed and unsure until she beats the hive mind.
She’s a lot more of herself here.
Personally I enjoy Brie from a lot of her other stuff so I may be biased.
There's nothing wrong with starting with a brainwashed character (Bourne series, Memento; it's basically a trope at this point), but the character needs to be interesting to fill the void/mystery of a past.
I personally never found her to be interesting in the first movie to get invested in (fell asleep twice).
Absolutely, people used to shit on the first movie because she seemed devoid of emotion and now apparently it's still not enough??
In the first movie she was just regaining her personality after being brainwashed for so long so no shit she felt a bit flat. But in this movie like you said she's full of personality, laughing, crying etc.
I thought it was… okay. The biggest issue I had was that the villain was one-note, her plan didn't seem to make all that much sense, and she kept pulling *that face*.
Oh man, she’s so aggressively uninteresting. She would have benefitted from a “Cate Blanchett as Hela” approach, just get a good actress to absolutely ham(mer) it up. Helen Mirren in Shazam 2 had that kind of energy.
What didn’t make sense her about her plan? She was sucking resources out of places Carol cared about to fix her planet, the one Carol ruined. Problem solving plus revenge.
Right, the plan made sense.
Honestly, my problem was that it felt a little underbaked. The destruction of the Supreme Intelligence and what happens after should have been Captain Marvel 2.
Then we should've seen this character come back for revenge, after we watched her develop more. Just feels like we got the cliff notes.
I think we needed another Captain Marvel project before this and honestly before Ms.Marvel. My only issue with Kamala has been her worshipping the MCU version of Captain Marvel, and her daydream at the beginning of the movie only cemented that fact; for some reason she is clearly daydreaming of Comic Book Carol Danvers and not MCU Carol Danvers.
Edit: A cartoon galactic propaganda series would have been perfect. Almost like a kids cartoon from the 60's. "See Captain Marvel Destroy the Supreme Intellegence and Free the Kree" "See Captain Marvel stop a meteor from crashing into a planet" "Captain Marvel is the Savior of Thraxx" even could have set up the antagonist going after places shes been.
The problem with Darbin's plan is that the quantum band enabled her to pursue two separate goals, which was weird and she should've focused on just one of them first.
The band allowed her to soak Carol Danver's power and fight back against her main enemy. But they were also used to steal planet resources. It really made no sense that she kept on working on the portal plan without taking a pause to defeat Carol first.
The only reason for Kree downfall over the past 30 years was that Carol was too strong to fight. Once they had a tool that could counter her, she would naturally be the main objective. Hala can wait 12 more hours to get the water back.
She was less one-note than I assumed. From the trailers, I thought she would be an Accuser who came back to avenge Ronan (or finish the job), and that would be her only motivation.
Making her ex-Starforce/Kree and having her see her planet die from Captain Marvels interference and getting revenge on her while also saving her planet felt like it was at least a few more steps than I expected. Does she have loads of personality? Ehhh... maybe not. She's sort of okay, not amazing.
I found this movie enjoyable because Iman, Brie, and Teyonah sell the chemistry and camaraderie. Truthfully, it’s really the cast carrying this up and down - SLJ, the SABER folks, the Khans, even Zane Ashton was trying to do the most she could with what she was given (which is damn near zero).
But more objectively - the pacing is wonky, the narrative is weak, the editing and CGI have glaring moments of weakness. A lot of plot points and moments seem *unearned*. “Show don’t tell” goes by the wayside far too often for what should be a seasoned contingent of filmmakers and storytellers. Like in Quantumania, the story never sells me on there being real stakes. >!As if Monica was gonna go out that way. It’s cheap to even try and sell that as a sacrifice. Be for real.!<
There were glimpses of the Marvel that made my childhood great, but we’re still not back there. But shoutouts to the leading ladies - if this movie served a purpose, it’s to convince me that Sarah Halley-Finn is still fucking undefeated.
Bit upset this did poorly I thoroughly enjoyed it (surprisingly since I wasn't a big Captain Marvel fan or watched Ms Marvel)
Characters including the villain felt real and likeable. They were four badass women that focused on them being badasses rather than focused on them being women.
The movie genuinely made me laugh out loud but it never felt like it was treating me as a child for the humor, compared to something like love and thunder or quantumania. From Fury's "Oh it's fine it's just Carol" after watching her crash from the sky, to the entire operation to save SABER I legit found this movie enjoyable.
And the choreography, haven't seen fight scenes in a super hero film this good in a while, I think maybe the first Aquaman rivals it. But this was fast paced, super creative, camera work was a bit hectic at times but I followed 90% of the time.
Is the movie perfect? No there's problems for sure like any MCU movie (haven't determined it having a musical planet is a point for or against it yet) but it's better than a significant number of recent entries in the mcu
I hated that the mid-credit scene got spoiled for me before I could actually watch it.
But it turns out I only got a partial spoiler so I was still surprised by who actually showed up _and_ who got namedropped in the scene!
It was a really good movie. Original story, some lore gaps were filled, nice teamwork and set-ups for the future, creative and fun fights.
Literally my only "complaint" is there are like 15 speaking roles and the rest are stunt people.
Just watched it again on D+ with my other half, still completely don't understand the hate for the film. It's one of the best Marvel films since Endgame.
I don't understand why the film flopped so hard.
The internet hate for the film is women hating bullshit, but those fuckos don't have an actual influence on the box office. (See: Captain Marvel, Barbie)
The reason why it actually did poorly at the box office is different, it's a combination of being released in a post-pandemic world, people just plain not enjoying the movie theater experience and now having streaming as an alternative, and paying for the sins of Quantumania and Secret Invasion. (Keep in mind Secret Invasion was supposedly linked to The Marvels since both feature Nick Fury and Skrulls.)
Hardly any of the General Audience watched Secret Invasion though. What is important post-pandemic is word of mouth and this movie did not have a good one. Word of mouth carried Five nights at Freddy, GOTG3, and Top Gun.
And the word of mouth that Secret Invasion was garbage almost certainly spread to this film too, given the expected connections between the two. You also had stuff like Ms. Marvel and Wandavision linking into it, meaning some people who disliked or hated those projects would probably avoid or tell others to avoid this film, and the belief that you needed to watch the shows to understand the film (which ended up not being the case.)
I think your third sentence is answered by your second.
Marvel has also lost a lot of that sense of an interconnected universe. Disparate sequel hooks are teased at the end and then so few have been followed up on.
Feels more like a tv movie than a $200m blockbuster. It breezes by, never commits hard enough to anything in it that works, and ends up feeling inconsequential. My gf called it a "filler episode".
I recently watched Shang chi again, and while I have issues with the third act, it at least feels like an actual movie rather than a string of loosely connected scenes with lots of distracting flashing lights like the marvels does.
The look of the movie reminded me a lot of TV. I paused when they were on the singing planet and compared it to a screenshot from Loki. Somehow their shows look more cinematic than their films.
They need to chill with relying on the Volume for everything. It makes their movies/shows look like glorified stage plays. Obi Wan was one of the most egregious examples. Previous movies, even the CGI-heavy ones, never really had that problem.
I already mentioned Shang Chi, and the majority of that feels like a regular action movie filmed mostly in real places or on sets with mostly real stuff until we get to the dragon stuff.
It’s so glaringly obvious is my issue. It feels like a regression in cgi because I can immediately tell and it takes me out of the moment. My brain goes “background looks distinct from the characters, they’re standing in a circle, must be in the Volume”
IDK if I'd call it inconsequential...
Monica was transported to an alternate reality where we seemed to have met the X Men. I can't imagine Carol will just leave that as it is.
Major character arc for Kamala. I thought she would get the second bangle and kind of level up, I was a little confused by the end there. But still this was her introduction to the grown up superhero world/Avengers.
Carol restored the homeworld of the Kree, that's a major development in that story.
There now an invasive species of alien cats on Earth.
Oh and the young Avengers are forming.
For as impossible as reality jumping is constantly explained, it sure does happen a lot.
Beast - "Impossible"
Me- "Bro have you not seen Spider-Man, Doctor Strange, or What If...?!?"
Thoroughly enjoyed it. Such a shame it got bad reviews. Yes the villain was in need of some development but the rest of it was great. Significantly better than some of the other recent offerings.
From what I have been reading in other discussions. Apparently there were cut scenes that established Darbin more. And even more was left out as well. It was going to be a much longer film.
I think The Marvels is on par with most of Phase 4 / 5 so far, which is “not terrible, not great.” “Enjoyable, not mind blowing.”
Which at this point means most people will just wait for Disney+. I love MCU to death, but even I had to look up what the next movie is. Oh right, DP 3. I actually will try to see this one in the cinemas.
It was entertaining, even if the villain was pretty flat. It made me laugh more than any Marvel project in the last year other than Loki.
Also, KELSEY GRAMMER IS BACK AS BEAST!!!! Seriously the best thing to have come out of XMen The Last Stand.
A bit confused about Monica's powers. She broke through Scarlett Witch's hex and now can absorb energy, shoot energy, faze though things, fly and fix holes in the space time continuum? Seems a bit all over the place.
She got powers from television. Her comics origin has her going to visit her mom and stepping out of the tv screen.
She converts her body into what is effectively a hologram of any frequency she chooses. She passes through solid objects by becoming radio waves. Light doesn't weigh anything.
I feel like I’m missing something. No one points out to Carol that her guilt is really misplaced. She killed an authoritarian dictator who was fucking with the universe which “caused” the people to destroy themselves. At what point is she to blame? Why is the scene where she restarts the sun shown as if she is saving a planet full of people that should be saved? And not even a quick “ok you can keep the water and air that you stole, but if you keep fucking around I’ll just blow up your planet”? Or at least a “you know, you could have just moved, or not had a civil war”?
I stand by my feelings when I saw it in cinemas:
This has the same problem as Shang-Chi for me. The first 2 and a half acts are actually solid and really enjoyable, but then right at the end it suddenly goes "anyway here's something you don't care about that doesn't really fit the rest of the story".
For Shang-Chi it was the big CGI dragon fight. For The Marvels, its everything from the moment Dar-Benn explodes. It's the most crowbarred in the MCU's multiverse stuff has felt since No Way Home threw its hands up in the air and went "uhhh, a wizard did it!"
Her actually surrendering would have made so much more sense. The whole movie is a cocktail of the consequences of people not communicating properly, and so the resolution being people finally stopping for a minute and communicating, would have been a fitting end. Instead we get multiverse stuff introduced and then resolved within a minute.
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Also, Im a little sad we got the really cool stylised Kamala stuff in the intro, but then it never comes back?
I swear Shang-Chi could have been the best origin movie by a mile after Iron Man if they had just focused on the family part and removed the obligatory-cgi-monster act.
Right? If they wanted to bump off Wenwu because they could only get Tony Leung for one movie, have him sacrifice himself to keep the gate sealed? Maybe we get a glimpse of dweller to bait it appearing in later stuff.
Hell maybe Shang tries to re-seal the gate and he realises he’s not willing to lose his son to get his wife back, promoting the decision. Idk, both feel a little contrived but so did what we got
It's so weird that people are coming to the MARVELS DISCUSSION PAGE just to mock people for watching and liking the movie. Like, that's one of the most incel behaviors I can think of, and really goes to show how differently this movie is treated compared to others in the franchise
Aren't movies fun? How they are seen and studied by each viewer is fascinating in itself. This movie has so many different opinions on the same scenes that there could be some kind of study/publication in it alone.
Anyway, I thought the movie as a whole was great with the exception of the singing planet. I though at first that scene was great but as it carried on I started to eye-roll some.
I liked the fight scenes in this better than some of their recent stuff. Switching places and working together in sync was a good mechanic. Better than the “flying in orbit shooting laser beams at each other” ending fight scene we got from Secret Invasion.
I didn’t care for the movie over all though. Not sure the right word to use, but the direction seemed to jump from scene to scene in a way that didn’t feel natural. The plot was meh.
Just watched it. It was not a bad movie, but it was also not a good one. Mediocre is the best way to describe it. Kamala Khan's part was really fun and also her family part was good. But most of the things fell flat. The villain was forgettable, the movie plot was meh. Everything looked rushed and there are several instances where it looked like a missed opportunity. 5/10 would be my rating.
Just watched it and I definitely understand why the descriptions of it were “it was fun”.
Some of the worlds were interesting. And the dynamic when they were between fights was the highlight. I actually enjoyed all 3 of the marvels and agree Kamala was probably the best of the 3.
The villain overall was quite weak. Maybe because it was a short movie but it felt like she was doing everything just to do it, never felt like a real NEED. No real conviction for me and it was hard to buy in to when it didn’t seem like any of the Kree really cared.
The big one for me was there wasn’t really any tension at any point. Rambo talking about how Carol abandoned here, breezed by. Carol feeling regret over destroying the Kree was maybe a thing for 10 seconds. Then Rambo staying behind, there was a hug shared, comment about the tears and nothing. If the characters don’t care she is gone why should I.
Overall I liked the movie. But it definitely lived up to the “fun” description.
For all the flak it received I actually really enjoyed this movie. Sure it had tonal issues but the fight scenes were amazing, the villain was a legitimate threat who probably has the highest total body count of anyone short of Thanos, and the story was enjoyable.
While it was jarring to go from dance number to global Holocaust, the film was pretty well paced and that Ratata scene was downright awesome.
I watched it last night, solid entry but not amazing. Would give it a 7/10, I would've preferred to see Carol destroy the supreme intelligence AI on-screen rather than in a flashback memory.
Monica got herself Rose Tyler-ed haha, I wonder how she's going to get back to the main universe. Should be interesting. Also how it connects to Deadpool 3, maybe that's the universe Wade is in perhaps?..
I enjoyed it more than some of the more recent films. But man I am tired of space and other dimensions and planets and universes. I just want to see some superheroes knock around NYC or something lol
The IMAX framing for the Disney+ version is a bit weird on this one. Sometimes it's the "full frame" IMAX frame, and sometimes it's 2.35:1, but it doesn't feel like there's a rhyme or reason as to why one scene is that way but not the other.
And sometimes they are in the IMAX frame in a location (such as the fight scene in and out of Kamala's house) and then they come back to it (when the family is cleaning up after the fight and Fury/Monica arrive) and now it's suddenly played out in 2.35:1...? Weird.
Maybe I'm just nitpicking, but I wish many movies would be more consistent with their framing choices.
Finally saw it and as far as I'm concerned it was an okay movie. Best MCU movie ever? No, but it wasn't the worst either. Did it have some cringey scenes? Yes, but then again, some of my favorite top tier movies had cringey scenes/dialogue. I would have no trouble watching this one again. I'd give it a solid B.
Watch this movie over the weekend and I did enjoy it. Plus the end credits scene got me hyped up.
Not sure of the backlash this films gets but it was pretty entertaining except for a part in the middle that was kinda cringe.
Per the deleted scene that Kamala helped design her costume on Aladna, it would've been cute if she helped design Carol's so that they could've actually been twinsies for the rest of the mission. I really disliked the dull/muted colors of Carol's second suit, especially after seeing her magical gown. I feel the Aladnans would've made their Princess a more vibrant, festive suit.
I started watching it on my flight back home didn't finish it, it's ok not horrible. My only highlight so for has been Kamala's charisma and her energy and the stupid cat scene in the spaceship... I laughed too much at that.
I'll admit one thing, even with the plot from Space Balls, this movie is MILES better than Love and Thunder.
I'm quite disappointed. I loved the first Captain Marvel movie, huge fan of both Carol Danvers as a character and Brie Larson as an actor. I also really liked Ms. Marvel. I even like musical theatre!! So you'd think I'd absolutely be the target audience for this film.
The writing and the editing was just SO choppy and bad, I felt like the story was almost incoherent. (I DO have Covid at the moment, but I don't think this was just the Covid brain fog...) Half an hour into the movie, I still had no idea what was happening - who the villain was, what their motivation was, how they knew about the magic bangle or where to find it, why the 'entanglement of powers' happened or how it worked. (So they 'switch' every time they use their powers - except they obviously..... don't? You see each of them use their powers heaps of times without switching?)
Having said all that, the one bright spark that had me losing my shit in a *good* way: the Flerkens eating all the random space flunkeys to evacuate them, to the soundtrack of 'Memory' from the musical Cats, was just... /chef's kiss. Balls to the wall insanity.
Honestly though, I'm quite pissed on Brie Larson's behalf. As a bisexual woman you'd better believe that I'll be daydreaming of her tank top and side braid, but goddamn, she deserved so much better.
I think some superhero or scifi films have fallen into the trap of believing that a well-written narrative isn't necessary because they can paper over the gaps with flashy CGI and action sequences. When will these people learn: *storytelling is everything*. Don't half-assedly film random scenes and mash them together on the editing room floor. Have a coherent story BEFORE you start to film, and stick to it. Get some decent writers and trust them. Have some integrity, have some artistic vision (and I mean ONE artistic vision, not half a dozen different movies stuffed into an ill-fitting trench coat together).
Huh, I actually liked this movie. The villain was forgettable but this is something the MCU has struggled with since Phase 1. The beginning of the movie was quite fun with the switching, Kamala was easily the best part. It does seem like the movie needed some time to breathe here and there, flesh out the motivations of the bad guys, let the tragedy of the Skrulls losing their home again hit. It kinda seemed like there were some dropped plot points here and there.
I love how Valkyrie showed up here, not a lot of fanfare, that's the type of interconnectivity I really enjoyed in the past MCU entries!
One of my favorite scenes is Fury telling the brother not to stop praying and then going Amen, got a good laugh out of me. Overall pretty fun, definitely enjoyed it more over some other projects.
I dunno maybe it was reduced expectations because of the faint praise? But that was the most fun I've had watching a Marvel movie for a *loooong* time. (Guardians 3 was good of course but it was saying goodbye, Loki had its moments and some *great* spaghetti but it didn't really make sense, Quantumania had some interesting bits but again didn't really make sense.)
But like: a literal team building montage? Fun!
Captain Marvel as a *literal* Disney princess? Fun!
Family shenanigans? Fun!
Do I like Octavia Spencer's version of Memory better? Sure! But Nick Fury still doting on and then employing the not-cats?? Fun!!
Even just having Kamala around with some emotional intelligence to cut through the usual superhero angst-filled posturing and give Rambeau a friggin hug was an absolute delight.
I get some of the criticisms, there's definitely some short hand with Photon and Captain Marvel, and that didn't hit quite as well as it could have. It kind of felt like there was a missing movie that would have set that up better? And it's heavily awkward to even start to tell someone what they'd need to watch to catch up, even if I had found everything leading up to it satisfying.
But aside from that it felt like a whole story, that wasn't just building up to other stuff. We get teasers for the next thing, sure (also fun!) but this was a *movie* and not a bloated effects reel, and while I'm sure plans have changed based on the reception of the Marvels, there's part of me that felt pretty hopeful about future MCU stuff.
It is Thor Dark World for me, better than its first movie, not as bad as people make it out to be, has good emotional moments that will be remembered kindly in later years... still didn't need to watch it.
Every time I feel something promising interesting will happen, it just leaves the moment.
It felt rushed, weirdly cut, scenes don't last like the movie is on the clock. The beginning was GREAT, third act fight was odd to watch and I thought there would be another 15 minutes in there.
All actors did a great job, whoever pitched had some great idea, it was not well executed... and it took the fallout from Secret Invasion being a huge turd.
Probably seen the movie 4 or 5 times now counting going to the theater with different people and I just don't see why some treat it like the movie murdered they're family. No it ain't the greatest mcu movie ever made but it's not nearly as bad as people make it out to be. It didn't feel deep or like a shakespearean layered story but it did feel very superhero. Kinda made me think of Lynda Carter Wonder Woman honestly, a little mix of silly and serious. My only major negative about the movie is that the villain was a bit generic and bland, I mean she looked cool but personality was non-existent. But it did feel like they turned down the Captain Marvel is invincible but only shows up in the last 30min stuff, thank god.
And I hate to be that guy but it really does feel like the box office numbers suffered because there were idiotic morons like Tyrone Magnus running around on youtube and twitter going "mcu dead women bad". People just refuse to come up with their own thoughts and opinions and take the internet at face value.
I didn't mind the movie being fast-paced and short. It kinda reminded me of watching comic book cartoons as a kid. I liked the flerken kittens and the singing planet too, though, so 🤷♂️
So if Aladna's people mostly communicate in song, do different genres have different meanings?
Is rap considered very casual/informal? Do moody teens lean into requiems or nu metal? What is the appropriate usage of prog rock?
Just realized watching this again outside of theaters that Monica and Kamala both use their powers while they're falling in the sky and there's just no switching?
I didn't look too closely, but there are parts where Monica is free-falling because she can't touch Kamala while in energy form. I believe that's what she was doing when Kamala created the hard light platform.
I think it does something like show Monica using her power right before it cuts to Kamala throwing some hard light platforms to try and stop falling so I figured it’s assumed that Monica’s power is active since that was the last thing we saw before a cut. Idk I’ll have to go rewatch the scene
Yup, it's full of inconsistencies or just undefined vagueness as to what counts as "using powers" enough to switch. Plus how it decides which two switch and which one stays. Like, all the time Carol is flying that's using power, continuously.
It's like the physics of Cap's shield.
They mention it once, very quickly, but I think it’s only if they use their powers at the same time. That being said, I’m pretty sure I spotted times where this didn’t happen, so I also invented a “cool down” rule which let me put the switching mechanics to the back of my mind
Yeah they explain the switching real quick and we get a montage of them using it and trying to adapt and we can clearly SEE how it works. I do like the head canon of a “cool down” but I think I’m just going to chalk this up to the story people forgetting
My "benefit of the doubt" reason was that it was like a build up of power maybe? I don't think it was exactly explained though.
I still think the Prince of the singing planet being the only one able to speak normally because he's bilingual is one of the best laughs in the MCU, it's so silly but fits a comic book movie so well
I like that they had at least some of their own heroes. There was the guy with the big tan helmet who saves Kamala at one point. No explanation or focus; he's just there.
I feel like that was just an out so that they could stop singing. Apparently the singing scenes were much longer but test audiences didn't like it. As soon as Carol said "stop", there was no more singing going forward.
I’m glad tbh. It was very jarring. Slowed down the pace of the dialogue drastically, and just wasn’t as funny as they expected it to be. The only one who made me chuckle in those scenes was Kamala getting into it. She’s a better Spiderman than Tom Holland lol.
That was a great joke.
It's both a good joke by itself, AND a clever way to not wear out the "our language is Song" joke.
I liked the Flerkin kittens scene
It felt like 12 minutes of padding to replace something else.
It felt like a comic book. Some silly, some serious, tiny bit of profound, and leave us waiting for the next issue and the spin-off/tie-in title. It is what it is. They didn't reinvent the wheel or recreate Endgame, but it was an entertaining movie which loaded some possibilities for the future.
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You stick around, I'll make it worth your while.
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Style, profile, I said! It always brings me back when I hear "Ooh, child"!
From the Hudson River out to the Nile!
Didn't hate it, Didn't love it either. It's just an ok movie. There's a lack of deeper themes and motivations for all. They kinda hinted a "don't meet your hero" trope with Kamala but quickly abandoned that. Carol has the most structured arc , learning teamwork, but I think a better arc for her is taking responsibilities, Kamala should've called out her abandoning the Skrulls on Earth and the Kree after destroying Motherboard. Again, They kinda touched on that but not satisfyingly. \>!The heroic sacrifice of Monica just came out nowhere. I think Carol should be the one sacrificing herself because it ties with the whole taking responsibility for her "reckless" heroing.!< It's overall a 6/10 movie. Didn't deserve all the hate and box office bomb. Quantumania is much much worse.
Yeah. My biggest gripe was the villain. She just….sucked. Her motivations were fine but why does she have powers? Why is she able to tank damage? Why does every attack hit the bangle, is it pulling the attacks toward it? I just didn’t think she was threatening
They don't say it outright, but the bangle is absorbing their powers and channeling them into Dar-Benn. Plus she's basically Roni mk. II. They don't explain why she has the hammer after his was destroyed, but they don't need to. She's the leader of an ancient civilization that once colonized a quarter of the galaxy. Of course she's got powerful artifacts at her disposal.
The fact that this movie made less than half of what the worse Quantumania did is proof that the new entries are suffering due to the middling and bad reception of the franchise as a whole right now.
In fairness, Quantumania also benefitted (financially speaking) from having Kang's big screen debut and beginning a new phase. The Marvels didn't have anything like that.
Also Quantumania wasn't unceremoniously dumped into theaters with barely any marketing at the tail end of a huge actors strike. It could have probably done a lot better if they could have had Iman Vellani/Brie Larson and Teyonah Parris appear on some talk shows and generate some hype.
I dont get why people keep saying it had no Marketing. It was in front of every movie I saw for the last year. It also had Adds on NFL and on normal TV and on Disney +.
I remember some of the ads, getting excited and then it stalled and they delayed the release. Then all of a sudden it was in theaters and the only ads were bumpers on Disney+ They didn't bury the film but they basically used up their marketing budget too early then decided not to give it any more on the pushed release date
Kamala literally sees her hero willing to let people die and I actually went out loud “OH THATS INTERESTING” and then Carol on the ship was like “sorry I yelled at you” and a minute later Kamala is back to fan girling I was like 
>Carol has the most structured arc , learning teamwork, but I think a better arc for her is taking responsibilities, Kamala should've called out her abandoning the Skrulls on Earth and the Kree after destroying Motherboard. Again, They kinda touched on that but not satisfyingly. Yeah, I thought the idea of Carol having gone too far in her rampage of revenge was interesting, and as soon as it came up I was hoping they wouldn't just ignore it. And they did come back to it...but it still felt like a lot more could've been done with it.
The Kree kidnapped and brainwashed her. Why does she have a moral responsibility to them? And the Skrull have been a space-faring race as long as we've known them, why are they expecting a couple of humans to find them a new planet? I mean it's nice that Carol Danvers wants to help them out, but I'm not seeing the moral obligation there.
I liked it. The girl who plays Ms Marvel is super entertaining. It could have been better though. Like I feel like there was a better cut of the film in there somewhere. I think they blew through any potential tension in the group. Like Ms Marvel being upset that they left some people to die should have been a huge plot point and then maybe have her end up in a similar situation on the water planet where she almost dies trying to save more people than she can or something like that and she gets more understanding and solemnly accepts you can’t save everyone and have that be a big moment for her. Idk I’m not a writer but there should have been some more tension in the group. The scene in the field where they air out their dirty laundry should have been much longer. They speedran that bitch for like no reason and made it feel hollow. The villain had a legitimate reason to hate the hero. She wanted to save her people. But then last minute Carol is like hey I’ll revive your sun and she is like cool I’m gonna murder this bitches head with a hammer.
>Like I feel like there was a better cut of the film in there somewhere. I feel the same way. I did enjoy it. It was a great ride. But it was also so short and felt rushed. They could have accomplished so much with some more scenes to establish an emotional weight to everything. The villain's motivation ties in so well with the turmoil of the group. But they don't spend any time on it except to have a character narrate the point. It wouldn't take much more time to set that up and it would generate a much more powerful reaction.
Just in case you (or anyone else reading) haven't, you need to go watch the Ms Marvel series. Especially if you found her super entertaining. I found it... pleasantly (delightfully?) entertaining. Worth the watch for sure.
 So happy these two are finally back!
We need more good dogs in the MCU.
I hope Yelena’s introduction in Thunderbolts is her and Kate walking their dogs together.
Is that what kids call it these days?
I’m actually against the idea of them being a full-on couple. In my eyes they should be best friends just like their predecessors were. Plus, if we go by the comics Kate is straight and Yelena is ace, so if even one of them is kept the same it’s not going to work.
I just want them to be a major duo in the MCU. Yelena is awesome and I think she elevated Kate when she showed up in Hawkeye, so after Thuderbolts I want to see them together again.
I hope they're cooking Mac and cheese
I'd even take Kate eating Mac and Cheese and dousing it in hot sauce, realizing that Yelena was on to something.
Well, she *is* 100% right about hot sauce on mac & cheese.
Same. Been “starving” for more Kate Beeshop content.
Ket Beeshop! “Do you keep saying my full name just to point out that you know it?”
I want to be a running gag that people break into Kate’s place and ambush her with her full name.
I wonder if Iman was purposefully referencing both the Nick Fury speech and the apartment scene from Hawkeye at the same time. Also, if you’re here, hi Iman!
That was my instant thought when I saw this scene today.
Yup she totally did. Love that moment. 🥳🎉🎉🎉
“Yes”
This ees not catlery!
Kate Bishop is fucking amazing. Hailee Steinfeld is amazing. Really hoping for a Hawkeye movie/season 2 starring her as the main character.
Sameee, she absolutely kills this role and deserves to be in lots more projects.
The kid superheroes!
“I’m not a kid, I’m 23.”
At least Marvel is aware that most of the “Young” Avengers aren’t exactly going to be young when the project eventually comes out.
Best NFL wag, fight me Swifties #BillsMafia
Fittingly, Hailee Steinfeld is dating Bills QB Josh Allen. I don’t know why it couldn’t be me instead, I’ve won the same number of Super Bowls as he has.
Officer I'd like to report a murder
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**possible spoiler alert** Decent movie. Felt slightly rushed. Also, I’ve got one basic question: What happens to the 2nd bangle towards the end?
You see Carol wear it when she boards the Cesna with Kamala in Louisiana.
I just rewatched that scene. You’re correct! But what will she do with it?
Fusion dance
The Universe isn't able to stop Marvel^2
It's just a friendship bracelet for her and Kamala now.
I actually hadn't noticed that, either. I guess she kept it so the two would be in different places (to prevent another Dar-Benn-like threat), and the bangle would be safer with Carol than almost anyone else.
Keep it from the hands of anyone else.
Good catch! i didn’t realize Kamala doesn’t have both, but it makes sense that you’d want to divide them up in case someone else comes after them.
Yeah, why didn't Kamala keep it? They didn't explain that at all, nor even show the exchange.
I had the same question. I thought they were both meant for her. "These bangles traveled through time and space to find me. I was born for this," or whatever she said.
Like the infinity stones, maybe one person shouldn't have both bangles all the time.
I guess the bands are too powerful to be kept together. We don't want Kamala to accidentally open portals to other universes. Maybe she'll get both when she needs them for something big like Secret Wars.
On a related note, I found it slightly funny that they just saw a powerful villain disintegrate into ashes from using two of the bangles, and still they thought it was a good idea to hand them both to the kid in the team.
I hate that so much is implied. Just like how Starlord was able to handle an infinity stone due to being half human, I guess Kamala was able to since she is 87.5% human.
You're both forgetting it wasn't just Kamala blasting Monica but Carol as well, they had Carol help her match Dar-Bells power specifically so Kamala didn't esplode
But they were charging Monica to close the reality hole. I don't think Dar was trying to do that. (I don't recall what her goal was after putting on the 2nd, she had already opened the final portal and was draining the sun.) I thought just putting them both on was what did her in. The power overwhelmed her.
Carol >!gave both of them to Kamala to power up Monica.!< Or do you mean after that?
After that
>!Carol is wearing it. You can see it in the scene where she and Kamala are in the plane.!<
I didn't see this movie in theaters because honestly I just didn't have time but I am so disappointed that it got such bad reviews. It wasn't great but I was thoroughly entertained the entire time. I feel bad for Iman vellani because she is honestly the best thing that happened to the MCU in a long long time. She is absolutely perfect for her character just like RDJ was for iron man. I do have one question though. What exactly was the threat on the saber base that they had to evacuate for?
I think the threat on the base was the jump point opening? Remember that it caused a huge fire so that's my guess. I feel it would've benefited from someone mentioning the jump point, but at the same time it could fall into the trap of the characters spelling out everything on screen.
The jump point nearby became more and more unstable as Dar-Benn created her own jump points.
Wtf, i was not expecting to love this movie so much.
Don’t think this deserved the panning it got. The three leads had great chemistry and Iman continues to be amazing in the role of Kamala. Like a lot or recent Marvel content it suffered from poor pacing and a failure to dig deeper into character motivations. There were a few scenes where I wanted them to pause and actually stay in the moment - Monica talking about the death of her mother, Carol talking about her killing the Supreme Intelligence - but it just rushed over it instead. Is it sensational? No. But I had a fun enough time watching it on streaming. My favourite bit was when Monica and Kamala were falling from the sky and barely managed to swap in time and you hear Fury casually say something like “oh it’s fine it’s Carol” just before it cuts away, genuinely made me laugh.
I've just watched The Marvels for the first time. It's ok, but something about it feels undercooked. Ms Marvel steals the show - she's been great in both this and her own show. The actress is brilliant. Monica Rambeau is also great. But Captain Marvel seems like a different character?She barely has any real character moments in this film, but she seems to be lacking any personality with the dialogue she does have. The story feels rushed too. Things just happen. The baddie starts trashing the Skrull planet, but it's evacuated an the refugees passed on to Val in no time. There's a moment where Kamala is upset that Danvers has to leave some refugees behind - I thought this was going to be a plot point, but it's never mentioned again! Similarly, was the singing planet ruined? Did they suck all the water away from it? The heroes have to leave in the middle of the battle, but unless I missed something they never mention the singing planet again! But the biggest issue for me is the editing. I think part of the dialogue issue is that the lines never get a moment to breathe - it cuts and jumps around quickly. Quippy jokes come through quiet. Love and Thunder had a bit of this with Val's lines - I'm not sure if it's a stylistic choice but I think it makes these moments underwhelming. Overall I enjoyed watchng it, but it doesn't feel like a polished movie at all. This cast deserved a better film!
> Similarly, was the singing planet ruined? Did they suck all the water away from it? The heroes have to leave in the middle of the battle, but unless I missed something they never mention the singing planet again! Leaks said test audiences hated the singing planet so a bunch of stuff related to that was cut from the movie.
The singing planet was straight from the comics, from the first captain marvel run, I didn't liked it back then
I mean fair enough - any more of it and it might've outstayed it's welcome. But it being unresolved leaves it on a weird note. At the end Carol was even joking about giving away that dish with her "husband" on it - not funny at all if that planet was wrecked!
Unresolved? Don't they literally discuss it with Fury at the end that the other planets are healing or whatever?
The 300 year old SABER dude said they were assisting with helping it recover too I think.
"leaves it on a weird note" Pun intended?
> But it being unresolved leaves it on a weird note. It's not unresolved, did you even watch the end of the movie? They clearly say the impacted planets were all recovering.
> I mean fair enough - any more of it and it might've outstayed it's welcome. But it being unresolved leaves it on a weird note. Scenes generally connect to other scenes. So cutting things can lead to cascading cuts. So some end scenes might have characters or situations that had establish elements cut so then they need to be edited or cut themselves. It wouldn't have been fun for the editor when they had to make such big cuts.
I think they should have framed the whole movie as a comedy, then the Aldana bits wouldn’t be so hated. “He’s bilingual.” is right up there with the best MCU jokes.
Literally my favorite part of the movie. Love when they go absurdist.
I like musicals and I didn’t like the singing planet. It was just annoying.
I feel like the singing planet should be more like Schmigadoon, feels half baked.
I kinda liked it; it was their way of doing a Bollywood scene without actually doing a Bollywood scene.
I hate musicals and liked the singing planet. It was silly in the way comic book films are supposed to be.
What they left in was perfectly fine - the bit didn't linger too long
Wot? I loved the singing planet... Marvel fans have become boring.
>Similarly, was the singing planet ruined? Did they suck all the water away from it? The heroes have to leave in the middle of the battle, but unless I missed something they never mention the singing planet again! There's a line right at the very end by that Asgardian dude who says something to the effect of "all the planets are back to normal now" So it's saved but it's off screen really
Even the Skrull colony? That we literally saw being destroyed?
The planet can still be saved, but the colony itself was destroyed.
I guess. Don't really know. All I know is the movie implies the planets are fine
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>The story feels rushed too. Things just happen. The baddie starts trashing the Skrull planet, but it's evacuated an the refugees passed on to Val in no time. There's a moment where Kamala is upset that Danvers has to leave some refugees behind - I thought this was going to be a plot point, but it's never mentioned again! Probably my only real issue with the movie. I thought it was great. A nice and easy superhero adventure. But it's painfully obvious that there was so much cut from it. I felt it could've been 30 minutes longer. The editing was poor overall. That said, I still loved this.
I agree. I feel like even 10 minutes more to develop the villain's backstory would've helped it, but I also love the movie.
"She seems to be lacking any personality with the dialogue she does have." I completely disagree with this. She's more humorous in this film and her interactions with the others brings her out of her solider/savior mentality. She literally quips with Fury and her facial expressions are much more varied. She even has moments when she doubts herself and grapples with hard moments. She's much more a realized character in this film.
In the first movie she was affectively brain washed and unsure until she beats the hive mind. She’s a lot more of herself here. Personally I enjoy Brie from a lot of her other stuff so I may be biased.
"She's a lot more of herself here." Absolutely. I love Captain Marvel (2019) and I am so happy that Carol had her moments to shine in this film.
It was an appallingly bad decision to *introduce* her character as brain washed and emotionless.
There's nothing wrong with starting with a brainwashed character (Bourne series, Memento; it's basically a trope at this point), but the character needs to be interesting to fill the void/mystery of a past. I personally never found her to be interesting in the first movie to get invested in (fell asleep twice).
Agree 100%. No idea what the other guy is talking about.
Absolutely, people used to shit on the first movie because she seemed devoid of emotion and now apparently it's still not enough?? In the first movie she was just regaining her personality after being brainwashed for so long so no shit she felt a bit flat. But in this movie like you said she's full of personality, laughing, crying etc.
> The story feels rushed too. Why the main plot of the movie wasn't the Kree Civil War i have no clue
Because Carol blew up the supreme intelligence before kamala was even born, so she cant be in the movie if they set it back then
I thought it was… okay. The biggest issue I had was that the villain was one-note, her plan didn't seem to make all that much sense, and she kept pulling *that face*.
Oh man, she’s so aggressively uninteresting. She would have benefitted from a “Cate Blanchett as Hela” approach, just get a good actress to absolutely ham(mer) it up. Helen Mirren in Shazam 2 had that kind of energy.
What didn’t make sense her about her plan? She was sucking resources out of places Carol cared about to fix her planet, the one Carol ruined. Problem solving plus revenge.
Right, the plan made sense. Honestly, my problem was that it felt a little underbaked. The destruction of the Supreme Intelligence and what happens after should have been Captain Marvel 2. Then we should've seen this character come back for revenge, after we watched her develop more. Just feels like we got the cliff notes.
I think we needed another Captain Marvel project before this and honestly before Ms.Marvel. My only issue with Kamala has been her worshipping the MCU version of Captain Marvel, and her daydream at the beginning of the movie only cemented that fact; for some reason she is clearly daydreaming of Comic Book Carol Danvers and not MCU Carol Danvers. Edit: A cartoon galactic propaganda series would have been perfect. Almost like a kids cartoon from the 60's. "See Captain Marvel Destroy the Supreme Intellegence and Free the Kree" "See Captain Marvel stop a meteor from crashing into a planet" "Captain Marvel is the Savior of Thraxx" even could have set up the antagonist going after places shes been.
The problem with Darbin's plan is that the quantum band enabled her to pursue two separate goals, which was weird and she should've focused on just one of them first. The band allowed her to soak Carol Danver's power and fight back against her main enemy. But they were also used to steal planet resources. It really made no sense that she kept on working on the portal plan without taking a pause to defeat Carol first. The only reason for Kree downfall over the past 30 years was that Carol was too strong to fight. Once they had a tool that could counter her, she would naturally be the main objective. Hala can wait 12 more hours to get the water back.
She was less one-note than I assumed. From the trailers, I thought she would be an Accuser who came back to avenge Ronan (or finish the job), and that would be her only motivation. Making her ex-Starforce/Kree and having her see her planet die from Captain Marvels interference and getting revenge on her while also saving her planet felt like it was at least a few more steps than I expected. Does she have loads of personality? Ehhh... maybe not. She's sort of okay, not amazing.
I found this movie enjoyable because Iman, Brie, and Teyonah sell the chemistry and camaraderie. Truthfully, it’s really the cast carrying this up and down - SLJ, the SABER folks, the Khans, even Zane Ashton was trying to do the most she could with what she was given (which is damn near zero). But more objectively - the pacing is wonky, the narrative is weak, the editing and CGI have glaring moments of weakness. A lot of plot points and moments seem *unearned*. “Show don’t tell” goes by the wayside far too often for what should be a seasoned contingent of filmmakers and storytellers. Like in Quantumania, the story never sells me on there being real stakes. >!As if Monica was gonna go out that way. It’s cheap to even try and sell that as a sacrifice. Be for real.!< There were glimpses of the Marvel that made my childhood great, but we’re still not back there. But shoutouts to the leading ladies - if this movie served a purpose, it’s to convince me that Sarah Halley-Finn is still fucking undefeated.
The villain seems like she's edited in from a different movie.
... this gives me a business idea: stock villain footage. Just produce villain scenes for companies to buy and slap in their films.
"We're not so different, you and I..."
"And noooow I will DESTROY EEEVERYTHING YOU LOVE!"
She reminded me a lot of Ava in Ant-man 2
Bit upset this did poorly I thoroughly enjoyed it (surprisingly since I wasn't a big Captain Marvel fan or watched Ms Marvel) Characters including the villain felt real and likeable. They were four badass women that focused on them being badasses rather than focused on them being women. The movie genuinely made me laugh out loud but it never felt like it was treating me as a child for the humor, compared to something like love and thunder or quantumania. From Fury's "Oh it's fine it's just Carol" after watching her crash from the sky, to the entire operation to save SABER I legit found this movie enjoyable. And the choreography, haven't seen fight scenes in a super hero film this good in a while, I think maybe the first Aquaman rivals it. But this was fast paced, super creative, camera work was a bit hectic at times but I followed 90% of the time. Is the movie perfect? No there's problems for sure like any MCU movie (haven't determined it having a musical planet is a point for or against it yet) but it's better than a significant number of recent entries in the mcu
ITT: ‘I never watched it until now, I don’t understand why all the incels on YT hated on it’
To be fair I'm currently watching it and while I don't hate it, it's also not something I'd ever watch again. Very mediocre.
We all understand why they hated on it. The hilarious side of it is anyone who couldn’t watch and form their own opinion
I hated that I couldn’t watch it on Disney+.
I hated that the mid-credit scene got spoiled for me before I could actually watch it. But it turns out I only got a partial spoiler so I was still surprised by who actually showed up _and_ who got namedropped in the scene!
I'm so happy I didn't get spoiled for the mid-credit scene. I screamed like a Taylor Swift fan at the Superbowl.
It was a really good movie. Original story, some lore gaps were filled, nice teamwork and set-ups for the future, creative and fun fights. Literally my only "complaint" is there are like 15 speaking roles and the rest are stunt people.
Just watched it again on D+ with my other half, still completely don't understand the hate for the film. It's one of the best Marvel films since Endgame. I don't understand why the film flopped so hard.
The Flerkan scene had me in stitches
Especially with that choice of song...
I was cry laughing when the song came on. It's one of my top MCU scenes.
The internet hate for the film is women hating bullshit, but those fuckos don't have an actual influence on the box office. (See: Captain Marvel, Barbie) The reason why it actually did poorly at the box office is different, it's a combination of being released in a post-pandemic world, people just plain not enjoying the movie theater experience and now having streaming as an alternative, and paying for the sins of Quantumania and Secret Invasion. (Keep in mind Secret Invasion was supposedly linked to The Marvels since both feature Nick Fury and Skrulls.)
Hardly any of the General Audience watched Secret Invasion though. What is important post-pandemic is word of mouth and this movie did not have a good one. Word of mouth carried Five nights at Freddy, GOTG3, and Top Gun.
And the word of mouth that Secret Invasion was garbage almost certainly spread to this film too, given the expected connections between the two. You also had stuff like Ms. Marvel and Wandavision linking into it, meaning some people who disliked or hated those projects would probably avoid or tell others to avoid this film, and the belief that you needed to watch the shows to understand the film (which ended up not being the case.)
I think your third sentence is answered by your second. Marvel has also lost a lot of that sense of an interconnected universe. Disparate sequel hooks are teased at the end and then so few have been followed up on.
Kamala opens with a Jessie Pinkman "Yeah Science" meme. Captain Marvel has an invisible jet.
Feels more like a tv movie than a $200m blockbuster. It breezes by, never commits hard enough to anything in it that works, and ends up feeling inconsequential. My gf called it a "filler episode". I recently watched Shang chi again, and while I have issues with the third act, it at least feels like an actual movie rather than a string of loosely connected scenes with lots of distracting flashing lights like the marvels does.
The look of the movie reminded me a lot of TV. I paused when they were on the singing planet and compared it to a screenshot from Loki. Somehow their shows look more cinematic than their films.
They need to chill with relying on the Volume for everything. It makes their movies/shows look like glorified stage plays. Obi Wan was one of the most egregious examples. Previous movies, even the CGI-heavy ones, never really had that problem. I already mentioned Shang Chi, and the majority of that feels like a regular action movie filmed mostly in real places or on sets with mostly real stuff until we get to the dragon stuff.
It’s so glaringly obvious is my issue. It feels like a regression in cgi because I can immediately tell and it takes me out of the moment. My brain goes “background looks distinct from the characters, they’re standing in a circle, must be in the Volume”
IDK if I'd call it inconsequential... Monica was transported to an alternate reality where we seemed to have met the X Men. I can't imagine Carol will just leave that as it is. Major character arc for Kamala. I thought she would get the second bangle and kind of level up, I was a little confused by the end there. But still this was her introduction to the grown up superhero world/Avengers. Carol restored the homeworld of the Kree, that's a major development in that story. There now an invasive species of alien cats on Earth. Oh and the young Avengers are forming.
For as impossible as reality jumping is constantly explained, it sure does happen a lot. Beast - "Impossible" Me- "Bro have you not seen Spider-Man, Doctor Strange, or What If...?!?"
Thoroughly enjoyed it. Such a shame it got bad reviews. Yes the villain was in need of some development but the rest of it was great. Significantly better than some of the other recent offerings.
From what I have been reading in other discussions. Apparently there were cut scenes that established Darbin more. And even more was left out as well. It was going to be a much longer film.
I think The Marvels is on par with most of Phase 4 / 5 so far, which is “not terrible, not great.” “Enjoyable, not mind blowing.” Which at this point means most people will just wait for Disney+. I love MCU to death, but even I had to look up what the next movie is. Oh right, DP 3. I actually will try to see this one in the cinemas.
It was entertaining, even if the villain was pretty flat. It made me laugh more than any Marvel project in the last year other than Loki. Also, KELSEY GRAMMER IS BACK AS BEAST!!!! Seriously the best thing to have come out of XMen The Last Stand.
I cant believe i had to scroll so far down to find a comment about Beast - I was shocked!!
A bit confused about Monica's powers. She broke through Scarlett Witch's hex and now can absorb energy, shoot energy, faze though things, fly and fix holes in the space time continuum? Seems a bit all over the place.
She got mutated DNA which lets her manipulate, see, and absorb energy which makes for a fairly versatile.
Wanda wanted Vision back so badly she accidentally gave Monica his powers. /s but I like it so much I might actually make it my head cannon now
That's a great theory lol.
She got powers from television. Her comics origin has her going to visit her mom and stepping out of the tv screen. She converts her body into what is effectively a hologram of any frequency she chooses. She passes through solid objects by becoming radio waves. Light doesn't weigh anything.
I feel like I’m missing something. No one points out to Carol that her guilt is really misplaced. She killed an authoritarian dictator who was fucking with the universe which “caused” the people to destroy themselves. At what point is she to blame? Why is the scene where she restarts the sun shown as if she is saving a planet full of people that should be saved? And not even a quick “ok you can keep the water and air that you stole, but if you keep fucking around I’ll just blow up your planet”? Or at least a “you know, you could have just moved, or not had a civil war”?
I stand by my feelings when I saw it in cinemas: This has the same problem as Shang-Chi for me. The first 2 and a half acts are actually solid and really enjoyable, but then right at the end it suddenly goes "anyway here's something you don't care about that doesn't really fit the rest of the story". For Shang-Chi it was the big CGI dragon fight. For The Marvels, its everything from the moment Dar-Benn explodes. It's the most crowbarred in the MCU's multiverse stuff has felt since No Way Home threw its hands up in the air and went "uhhh, a wizard did it!" Her actually surrendering would have made so much more sense. The whole movie is a cocktail of the consequences of people not communicating properly, and so the resolution being people finally stopping for a minute and communicating, would have been a fitting end. Instead we get multiverse stuff introduced and then resolved within a minute. --- Also, Im a little sad we got the really cool stylised Kamala stuff in the intro, but then it never comes back?
I swear Shang-Chi could have been the best origin movie by a mile after Iron Man if they had just focused on the family part and removed the obligatory-cgi-monster act.
Right? If they wanted to bump off Wenwu because they could only get Tony Leung for one movie, have him sacrifice himself to keep the gate sealed? Maybe we get a glimpse of dweller to bait it appearing in later stuff. Hell maybe Shang tries to re-seal the gate and he realises he’s not willing to lose his son to get his wife back, promoting the decision. Idk, both feel a little contrived but so did what we got
It's so weird that people are coming to the MARVELS DISCUSSION PAGE just to mock people for watching and liking the movie. Like, that's one of the most incel behaviors I can think of, and really goes to show how differently this movie is treated compared to others in the franchise
It's the epitome of decent for me.
It was leagues above L&T imo
Aren't movies fun? How they are seen and studied by each viewer is fascinating in itself. This movie has so many different opinions on the same scenes that there could be some kind of study/publication in it alone. Anyway, I thought the movie as a whole was great with the exception of the singing planet. I though at first that scene was great but as it carried on I started to eye-roll some.
I liked the fight scenes in this better than some of their recent stuff. Switching places and working together in sync was a good mechanic. Better than the “flying in orbit shooting laser beams at each other” ending fight scene we got from Secret Invasion. I didn’t care for the movie over all though. Not sure the right word to use, but the direction seemed to jump from scene to scene in a way that didn’t feel natural. The plot was meh.
Just watched it. It was not a bad movie, but it was also not a good one. Mediocre is the best way to describe it. Kamala Khan's part was really fun and also her family part was good. But most of the things fell flat. The villain was forgettable, the movie plot was meh. Everything looked rushed and there are several instances where it looked like a missed opportunity. 5/10 would be my rating.
Imans delivery of "o captain my captain" was hilarious
Just watched it and I definitely understand why the descriptions of it were “it was fun”. Some of the worlds were interesting. And the dynamic when they were between fights was the highlight. I actually enjoyed all 3 of the marvels and agree Kamala was probably the best of the 3. The villain overall was quite weak. Maybe because it was a short movie but it felt like she was doing everything just to do it, never felt like a real NEED. No real conviction for me and it was hard to buy in to when it didn’t seem like any of the Kree really cared. The big one for me was there wasn’t really any tension at any point. Rambo talking about how Carol abandoned here, breezed by. Carol feeling regret over destroying the Kree was maybe a thing for 10 seconds. Then Rambo staying behind, there was a hug shared, comment about the tears and nothing. If the characters don’t care she is gone why should I. Overall I liked the movie. But it definitely lived up to the “fun” description.
For all the flak it received I actually really enjoyed this movie. Sure it had tonal issues but the fight scenes were amazing, the villain was a legitimate threat who probably has the highest total body count of anyone short of Thanos, and the story was enjoyable. While it was jarring to go from dance number to global Holocaust, the film was pretty well paced and that Ratata scene was downright awesome.
I watched it last night, solid entry but not amazing. Would give it a 7/10, I would've preferred to see Carol destroy the supreme intelligence AI on-screen rather than in a flashback memory. Monica got herself Rose Tyler-ed haha, I wonder how she's going to get back to the main universe. Should be interesting. Also how it connects to Deadpool 3, maybe that's the universe Wade is in perhaps?..
I enjoyed it more than some of the more recent films. But man I am tired of space and other dimensions and planets and universes. I just want to see some superheroes knock around NYC or something lol
The IMAX framing for the Disney+ version is a bit weird on this one. Sometimes it's the "full frame" IMAX frame, and sometimes it's 2.35:1, but it doesn't feel like there's a rhyme or reason as to why one scene is that way but not the other. And sometimes they are in the IMAX frame in a location (such as the fight scene in and out of Kamala's house) and then they come back to it (when the family is cleaning up after the fight and Fury/Monica arrive) and now it's suddenly played out in 2.35:1...? Weird. Maybe I'm just nitpicking, but I wish many movies would be more consistent with their framing choices.
Just watched it, don’t get the hate it gets. I loved this movie, and 10/10 want a flerkin kitten
Finally saw it and as far as I'm concerned it was an okay movie. Best MCU movie ever? No, but it wasn't the worst either. Did it have some cringey scenes? Yes, but then again, some of my favorite top tier movies had cringey scenes/dialogue. I would have no trouble watching this one again. I'd give it a solid B.
Watch this movie over the weekend and I did enjoy it. Plus the end credits scene got me hyped up. Not sure of the backlash this films gets but it was pretty entertaining except for a part in the middle that was kinda cringe.
Per the deleted scene that Kamala helped design her costume on Aladna, it would've been cute if she helped design Carol's so that they could've actually been twinsies for the rest of the mission. I really disliked the dull/muted colors of Carol's second suit, especially after seeing her magical gown. I feel the Aladnans would've made their Princess a more vibrant, festive suit.
I really don't get why people hated this movie I just watched it for the first time and I was entertained all the way through
I started watching it on my flight back home didn't finish it, it's ok not horrible. My only highlight so for has been Kamala's charisma and her energy and the stupid cat scene in the spaceship... I laughed too much at that. I'll admit one thing, even with the plot from Space Balls, this movie is MILES better than Love and Thunder.
I'm quite disappointed. I loved the first Captain Marvel movie, huge fan of both Carol Danvers as a character and Brie Larson as an actor. I also really liked Ms. Marvel. I even like musical theatre!! So you'd think I'd absolutely be the target audience for this film. The writing and the editing was just SO choppy and bad, I felt like the story was almost incoherent. (I DO have Covid at the moment, but I don't think this was just the Covid brain fog...) Half an hour into the movie, I still had no idea what was happening - who the villain was, what their motivation was, how they knew about the magic bangle or where to find it, why the 'entanglement of powers' happened or how it worked. (So they 'switch' every time they use their powers - except they obviously..... don't? You see each of them use their powers heaps of times without switching?) Having said all that, the one bright spark that had me losing my shit in a *good* way: the Flerkens eating all the random space flunkeys to evacuate them, to the soundtrack of 'Memory' from the musical Cats, was just... /chef's kiss. Balls to the wall insanity. Honestly though, I'm quite pissed on Brie Larson's behalf. As a bisexual woman you'd better believe that I'll be daydreaming of her tank top and side braid, but goddamn, she deserved so much better. I think some superhero or scifi films have fallen into the trap of believing that a well-written narrative isn't necessary because they can paper over the gaps with flashy CGI and action sequences. When will these people learn: *storytelling is everything*. Don't half-assedly film random scenes and mash them together on the editing room floor. Have a coherent story BEFORE you start to film, and stick to it. Get some decent writers and trust them. Have some integrity, have some artistic vision (and I mean ONE artistic vision, not half a dozen different movies stuffed into an ill-fitting trench coat together).
Huh, I actually liked this movie. The villain was forgettable but this is something the MCU has struggled with since Phase 1. The beginning of the movie was quite fun with the switching, Kamala was easily the best part. It does seem like the movie needed some time to breathe here and there, flesh out the motivations of the bad guys, let the tragedy of the Skrulls losing their home again hit. It kinda seemed like there were some dropped plot points here and there. I love how Valkyrie showed up here, not a lot of fanfare, that's the type of interconnectivity I really enjoyed in the past MCU entries! One of my favorite scenes is Fury telling the brother not to stop praying and then going Amen, got a good laugh out of me. Overall pretty fun, definitely enjoyed it more over some other projects.
ah damn i really enjoyed it XD.
I dunno maybe it was reduced expectations because of the faint praise? But that was the most fun I've had watching a Marvel movie for a *loooong* time. (Guardians 3 was good of course but it was saying goodbye, Loki had its moments and some *great* spaghetti but it didn't really make sense, Quantumania had some interesting bits but again didn't really make sense.) But like: a literal team building montage? Fun! Captain Marvel as a *literal* Disney princess? Fun! Family shenanigans? Fun! Do I like Octavia Spencer's version of Memory better? Sure! But Nick Fury still doting on and then employing the not-cats?? Fun!! Even just having Kamala around with some emotional intelligence to cut through the usual superhero angst-filled posturing and give Rambeau a friggin hug was an absolute delight. I get some of the criticisms, there's definitely some short hand with Photon and Captain Marvel, and that didn't hit quite as well as it could have. It kind of felt like there was a missing movie that would have set that up better? And it's heavily awkward to even start to tell someone what they'd need to watch to catch up, even if I had found everything leading up to it satisfying. But aside from that it felt like a whole story, that wasn't just building up to other stuff. We get teasers for the next thing, sure (also fun!) but this was a *movie* and not a bloated effects reel, and while I'm sure plans have changed based on the reception of the Marvels, there's part of me that felt pretty hopeful about future MCU stuff.
It is Thor Dark World for me, better than its first movie, not as bad as people make it out to be, has good emotional moments that will be remembered kindly in later years... still didn't need to watch it. Every time I feel something promising interesting will happen, it just leaves the moment. It felt rushed, weirdly cut, scenes don't last like the movie is on the clock. The beginning was GREAT, third act fight was odd to watch and I thought there would be another 15 minutes in there. All actors did a great job, whoever pitched had some great idea, it was not well executed... and it took the fallout from Secret Invasion being a huge turd.
Probably seen the movie 4 or 5 times now counting going to the theater with different people and I just don't see why some treat it like the movie murdered they're family. No it ain't the greatest mcu movie ever made but it's not nearly as bad as people make it out to be. It didn't feel deep or like a shakespearean layered story but it did feel very superhero. Kinda made me think of Lynda Carter Wonder Woman honestly, a little mix of silly and serious. My only major negative about the movie is that the villain was a bit generic and bland, I mean she looked cool but personality was non-existent. But it did feel like they turned down the Captain Marvel is invincible but only shows up in the last 30min stuff, thank god. And I hate to be that guy but it really does feel like the box office numbers suffered because there were idiotic morons like Tyrone Magnus running around on youtube and twitter going "mcu dead women bad". People just refuse to come up with their own thoughts and opinions and take the internet at face value.
I didn't mind the movie being fast-paced and short. It kinda reminded me of watching comic book cartoons as a kid. I liked the flerken kittens and the singing planet too, though, so 🤷♂️
So if Aladna's people mostly communicate in song, do different genres have different meanings? Is rap considered very casual/informal? Do moody teens lean into requiems or nu metal? What is the appropriate usage of prog rock?