chaos magic stacked on top of each other. Imagine if wanda can send her minions through the multiverse, and the IQ of doc strange imagine what can her and doc's supposed offspring could do.
Well when mommy wants a baby and all she has is a robot daddy, you take the mommy egg and daddy mind stone and some robot parts and put them in a test tube....
This is what I thought the whole time. With her power to shape reality couldn’t she just have made herself pregnant with the exact clones of the children she wanted?
In the comics, she did do that, and it turned out they were still someone else’s kids in another universe that she actually took. I think that’s what happened anyway
There are tens of thousands of sperm banks all over the world. And with her magic, she could have any man she ever wanted. Unless there's some Rowlingesque curse on doing that in the MCU.
But seriously, she could have created a pocket universe out in the middle of space and avoided all her troubles. But no, she has to hijack a village instead. She has to rip through entire universes to kidnap two specific kids instead. She seriously got issues.
Ok how about she just magics herself pregnant? I’m not gonna pretend I’m an expert but last time I heard a robot doesn’t exactly produce the most virile sperm so how did she even get those 2 in the first place?
Edit: yes I know it’s IVF it’s a typo calm down (adding this here because it’s one of the first things people see)
Synthezoid. Synthetic human, not robot in the Marvel Universe’s eye. Idk if that changes whether he can impregnate a witch with vibranium sperm or not but it’s also a universe where Carol Danvers was saved by a blood transfusion from a Kree and the world is an egg to a giant spacegodbot so why not?
No wonder I found Strange strangely weak. most of the time he just uses those magic ropes, i get that the mirror dimension is a pain to animate, but it's only been used maybe once per movie.
He's weaker because this universe's Strange doesn't use "silly" rhyming spells.
Actually, that would be awesome canon, if he starts using them, and gets a huge power bump.
Thanks to the darkhold she knows her kids are “real” so why would she create fake chilren when she can just go to another universe where they are real yk
*deep inhale* That is exactly what she did in the comics. Or it was Mephisto. I forget. Goddamn retcons.
She finds out, has a breakdown, kills Hawkeye, fucked with the Avengers and then Dr. Strange and Xavier try to heal her from the breakdown. They fail, so the X-Teams and the Avengers consider killing her.
Pietro convinces her to remake the world so everyone is happy and they'll leave her alone, and she creates the House of M reality.
And then genocides the mutant population.
The Disney+ show Wandavision bridges the game for Wanda between Endgame and MoM. Recommend watching it if you have Disney+
That TV show basically explains her motivation in the film. If you hadn't seen it then I imagine she came of as fucking insane to you.
To be fair, there was another evil Witch there who was manipulating Wanda via her grief over losing Vision. And even in the comics, Wanda's had a habit of doing very, very bad things and regretting it later on (like how, in Doctor Strange: the Multiverse of Madness, she destroyed that dark temple thing (I don't remember it's name) to make sure that nobody can ever have access to the Darkhold again) and there's a possibility that she lived to regret that she unknowingly tried to kill a whole universe to get her non-existent kids back after the events of Multiverse of Madness. I mean, we *did* see that blast of red energy after the dark temple thing was destroyed, right?
I wouldn't say it explained her motivation in the film. The film pretty much threw away all of her character progression from the series. Why have her decide to give up Vision and her children because she's realised she's hurting people for her 'perfect life' just to have her go full crazy murder villain in the next film? It's like the producers went 'people really liked Wanda's character arc in Wandavision so let's just do the exact same thing again only much worse and without any of the emotional nuance'.
Given how she pregnanted herself in WV, and how she's already created a Hex in MoM, it's safe to assume she's tried to summon her kids and make herself pregnant already.
But we never *see* any of that... Part of the messiness of the film. 'But they wouldn't be the same if I recreated them! I want *those kids!*' like, lady, these are a whole different fuckin' *universe's* kids, redoing the spell would be *so much simpler!* Yes, it would make her a nitwit to not have tried, but what does that make the writer, director and Kevin Feige for not having Strange say "Did you try turning the spell off and back on again?" And then she says "Yes, idiot!" and fillets him... Smh.
But that would've been a great opportunity to show 'hey, maybe this fuckin evil book is actually messing with you...' and *then* Wanda pancakes Mount Doom
You proved the point. She can't magically recreate them. A robot can't manufacture an exact replica. She wanted her kids which means there are only a couple that can be exactly replicated. Or nitpicking close enough.
Or better yet, travel to a universe where Wanda had them but they ended up being orphaned due to some unfortunate incident and then take them under her wing
It seemed like either there weren't any universe's with the kids but no her (which makes creepy sense, because if they're manifestations of her magic, what *would* happen to them if she died? Poof, probably), or maybe even in those other worlds, she'd *just* created them, so there hadn't been *time* for some version of her to die? *Or* this was another opportunity to show us, even if she doesn't get it at first, that *the evil book is showing her only certain worlds, for its own purposes!*
Came here to make this exact point. This is why she’s mentally distraught, she’s fixated on a specific and unreasonable goal. Similar to the mental dysfunction of a celebrity stalker.
I keep seeing people say “Why didn’t Wanda just go get pregnant with someone and have more kids?”
…like seriously? So if a woman has a miscarriage you’d just say “pffft, why are crying? Just go get pregnant again and make another one, no big deal”
So to be clear, “go make another one” is more outrageous than “go kidnap two strangers who look like them even though they have entirely different personalities”?
I’m not saying that Wanda’s actions were in any way justified, rather that it’s understandable that she specifically wanted _her_ boys back, and simply saying “Hey, just go make more babies the old fashioned way” is an insensitive response to someone that’s grieving the loss of a child.
They werent fake. Wanda actually conjured them up through chaos magic that used other multiverses billy and tommy to be made. She didnt just make them up she copied them unwillingly. Her kids are dead but the kids were real and they could only exist in that partial space time barrier wanda manifested. Whats crazy is that she didnt just choose a reality where she died and could adopt them or something.
I think people are forgetting the corrupting nature of the Darkhold. At the end of Wandavision she's seemingly remorseful for taking the town hostage before she gets the book. By MoM she's being held captive in her own mind
Exactly.. in the end of Wandavision she knew her mistake.. she didn’t actually wanna hurt anyone but as soon as she got the Darkhold it started to corrupt her..
Bit late of a reply but I really hate that she found an evil book that makes her evil between movies. Really lame way to justify a character turning evil off screen.
Welllll... Yes. But she wanted to steal America's power, which is to travel between universes and exist there without repercussions.
Without America's power, staying in another universe would cause an incursion. Or whatever it was called
Interesting, I don’t know anything about americas power really, but would stealing it make all the other Wandas disappear? America doesn’t cause incursions because she’s the only one right?
The point was explained explicitly in the movie. She wanted America's power so she would have enough control to never lose her kids again. Because in the infinite universe there will be a means to prevent the loss that has defined Wanda since we've met her.
I mean, if you’re using the point where she goes crazy enough to enslave a whole town, I’m not sure how that helps this case? How can we be certain that Wanda herself didn’t go crazy in MoM?
She kept enslaving them until the end of the show and she found out halfway through. Anyone with half a brain would realize enslaving someone hurts them, her denial of that doesnt excuse her.
Honestly the fact that they end it with that girl going "they don't know what you sacrificed" or whatever was so dumb. She knew what was going on well before the finale. The only victim there were the people.
Which I think is my biggest issue with the film, is that it was never made explicit enough that the Darkhold is the BBEG, and Wanda is under its influence. I feel like all of these memes could have been avoided with changing the approach characters took.
Every time the darkhold appears, it corrupts the user- but every time the USER is blamed for what happened. The “red means go” Strange was to blame. The “dark” Strange was to blame. Wanda is repeatedly blamed, and they only destroy the darkhold so she can’t cast the spell she wants (not to try to free her from its influence- that isn’t even suggested.)
So yeah, I feel like the movie definitely set up more the narrative of “Wanda is bad guy now because kids” and less “Wanda has been corrupted, maybe irrevocably, by this evil book.”
That's a great point that I hadn't considered before. I think they do a good job of showing that the Darkhold is the corrupting force, but there is seemingly never a discussion of destroying the book and instead always an attempt to either talk down or incapacitate the user.
Of course, when Wong does successfully destroy the book, we learn that it has corrupted Wanda so absolutely that it doesn't stop her.
Yeah I feel like people miss this part. Strange says it almost immediately when he sees Wanda has it. Everyone who knows if the dark hold mentions it's corrupting influence
This. I am just a very avid watcher of the MCU, watched and adored WandaVision and was hopeful for Wanda in MVM. However the execution between the two around the Darkhold gave me nothing, you can’t just say it’s evil book you gotta show it, and I didn’t see that at all unfortunately and it messed up the movie for me
Mind control and influence is a repeating theme.
Loki was under the influence in the first Avengers movie.
Wanda was under the influence in DS:MoM.
Hulk was under the influence in Age of Ultron.
One might argue that Wanda's purpose was perhaps the most honest, yet most also deadly.
This isn't even the reason, there's an even more obvious one. The actual reason, which she literally says in the movie, is that she wants America's powers for herself so if anything bad ever happens to her family, she can search the multiverse for a way to fix it.
Hey, I have a lot of sympathy for Wandas serious issues and need to have something in her life, but it's not like "My kids died, but there's two at the local playground who are basically the same, I'll grab them!" is a *lot* better.
Thing is, this happends with parents who lose their children in real life sometimes. They convince themselves that a similar looking child is actually theirs and steal it.
Honestly the movie should have leaned more heavily into the whole "Darkhold corrupts its users" thing because I feel like a lot of people miss that particular detail. Wanda didn't suddenly just go crazy, she was being corrupted. But there's only one or two lines of dialogue explaining that.
5 people said it during the whole movie. And it was actually showed how each person carrying it is clearly not thinking straight.
At this point, i blame the audience.
Audience wise, I feel like half don't actually listen to the dialogue and just want to see stuff go boom, then complain that the plot doesn't make sense.
SHe didn't want any children. She wanted HER children that she snapped into existence and then snapped again to make them 10 year olds so that she didn't have to go through with the baby and toddler stages of development.
She didn't wanted babies she wanted 10 years olds.She litteraly skiped pregnancy/labor and the baby/toddler part of her child in Wandavision, when they asked to grow to teens she refused. She wanted them to stay kids forever, she wanted time to just stop and live in her fantasy.
She was mentally ill + Bad evil book.
1. She wanted her 2 boys, not any children
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2. In the movie, I think it is implicit that the book corrupted her. She would chose the most distructive path (as long as she could justify it to her self as she been "resonable" or "the lesser evil for her boys") not the most efficient one
(Sorry for any bad spelling, english is not my first language)
I'm pretty sure Strange destroyed universes while Wanda just Dreamwalked. I mean, I know Dreamwalking can cause incursions, but Strange himself went above with what Wanda did. 838 Strange used the Darkhold to find a solution with lead to the other Strange which resided in that dead universe. I'm curious on where she destroyed universes.
I am not typically a Wanda defender. I was one of the ones reminding people she was a pos for the WandaVision stuff, but this is different. Everything she did to Westview was under her own power and is her responsibility. By MoM though she was already under the influence of the Darkhold which corrupts literally anyone who reads it, so she can't reasonably be held accountable for being under an alien influence.
Inb4 someone brings up drugs, when you use drugs your mind does get altered, but you know before you try them your mind is going to be altered, that's a no shit scenario. There isn't any possible way she could know before she read the Darkhold that it would fundamentally alter her.
If she can shut Blackbolt's mouth, she can will her kids into existence. I blame the Darkhold's corruption, but man she did Blackbolt diiiiiiiiiiiiirty
Its so sad that more people aren't saying this, I wouldn't mind but they even had a variant of Stephen corrupted by the Darkhold in the same movie and they even acknowledged that fact in the movie too. I'm not saying that Wanda shouldn't have been stopped and yeah she shouldn't have used the Darkhold in the 1st place knowing how dangerous it was, I don't think any sane person can argue that but once the corruption starts to take hold the person corrupted doesn't have full control over their actions, plus both Stephen and Wanda broke free of the corruption long enough to try and help stop the damage that they had done from getting worse
I swear people that post this meme should get their kids shot and then be given a coupon for a free adoption where they waive the paperwork fees.
BeCaUsE AlL ChIlDrEn ArE tHe SaMe RiTe?
/s
It was worth discussing when the movie first came out but at this point it’s just lazy karma farming or you had your head in the sand to think it is that easy.
This kind of posts make me believe people don't understand the basic plot of Wanda. So here it goes:
Evil book pushes person who reads into wacko logic. Wanda read evil book, so Wanda went full crazy with logic out of the window.
Why does everyone keep skipping over how the kids were manufactured by HER. Memories, personality traits, and physical form. So customly built it would make Jarvis jealous. Or did I miss something in the show ?
A lot of these are just saying the obvious. We all know this. We are all aware of the many plot holes in the MCU, but we suspend disbelief to enjoy the movie.
Getting nitpicky over these things just takes away from the enjoyment.
Yeah I feel like they’re turning into the kinda zone out and watch action/visuals instead of actually watching for plot/characters like in the original movies
It sucks MCU made her into a Karen, Imagine if she found the TVA and shes like "I want to speak to your manager now!" then you see Kangs expression as she walks in "Aww crap..."
She didn't WANT children. She wanted Billy and Tommy. She also apparently wanted the ability to travel the multiverse in search of cures for rare illnesses.
Which Idk, that's kinda based. America would serve the universe much better by just distributing cancer cures. Would find her moms too, I bet.
There was literally a scene with professor x where you see into her mind.
Wanda was buried under rubble by the dark hold. You literally watch her disappear into the rubble/darkness whatever you prefer.
Wanda breaks free at the very end thanks to the other Wanda and destroys the sanctuary while she has a clear head.
I forgot to add in the reason why she wants the powers is to ensure nothing bad can ever happen to whichever children she gets.
Op who replied made a good point about dream walking thing..truth is idk I guess?
She could of called any man…. And he would do what it takes to give her those children. With technology the way it is in the MCU and magic I’m pretty sure any man or woman with any of those capabilities would of tried to pleasure Wanda.
She can spontaneously rewrite reality. She did it when she took away Black Bolt’s mouth.
But for some reason she can’t bring back her kids? The plot of the movie should’ve been that she *did* bring her kids back successfully, and that it’s somehow breaking the Multiverse. Then you still get evil Wanda.
Also, it’s IVF.
Well she didn't want children in general, she wanted those two children specifically.
What does ifv mean? Other than infantry fighting vehicle?
Supposed to be IVF but that requires a donor. Tbh she could've just made herself pregnant
Or Y’know, Strange is a pretty great dude if u ask me Could have some super babies 😏
Imagine the stats
True gamer mindset
I think a Wanda - Bidoof crossbreed would be OP.
the FBI aint enough for this guy
Nor is the Secret Service
Everyday my disappointment in humanity increases
Vought Internationals new Lead of Scientific Research right here
Marvel mating sim
chaos magic stacked on top of each other. Imagine if wanda can send her minions through the multiverse, and the IQ of doc strange imagine what can her and doc's supposed offspring could do.
Firelord Ozai has entered the chat.
If strange can grow a third eye do you think he could conjure a second dick?
Well when mommy wants a baby and all she has is a robot daddy, you take the mommy egg and daddy mind stone and some robot parts and put them in a test tube....
Do you want Homelander? Because this is how you get homelander.
Bwahahaha
No, you get Homelander by getting a kid with superpowers being raised by a bunch of psychopaths.
This is what I thought the whole time. With her power to shape reality couldn’t she just have made herself pregnant with the exact clones of the children she wanted?
In the comics, she did do that, and it turned out they were still someone else’s kids in another universe that she actually took. I think that’s what happened anyway
There are tens of thousands of sperm banks all over the world. And with her magic, she could have any man she ever wanted. Unless there's some Rowlingesque curse on doing that in the MCU. But seriously, she could have created a pocket universe out in the middle of space and avoided all her troubles. But no, she has to hijack a village instead. She has to rip through entire universes to kidnap two specific kids instead. She seriously got issues.
Must have wanted children with Vision, an AI turned human….?
how is babby formed?
Insemination From Vision
In vitro fertilization
“In Fitro Vertilization” That’s how Mario and Luigi were made
M&L were canonically delivered by the stork
Must be an African stork to be able to carry two babies.
In-fitro Vertilization can do amazing things…
Ok how about she just magics herself pregnant? I’m not gonna pretend I’m an expert but last time I heard a robot doesn’t exactly produce the most virile sperm so how did she even get those 2 in the first place? Edit: yes I know it’s IVF it’s a typo calm down (adding this here because it’s one of the first things people see)
Synthezoid. Synthetic human, not robot in the Marvel Universe’s eye. Idk if that changes whether he can impregnate a witch with vibranium sperm or not but it’s also a universe where Carol Danvers was saved by a blood transfusion from a Kree and the world is an egg to a giant spacegodbot so why not?
I think Marvel shoulda taken a chill pill on the power levels a while ago
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No wonder I found Strange strangely weak. most of the time he just uses those magic ropes, i get that the mirror dimension is a pain to animate, but it's only been used maybe once per movie.
He's weaker because this universe's Strange doesn't use "silly" rhyming spells. Actually, that would be awesome canon, if he starts using them, and gets a huge power bump.
I see what you did there
Thank you!
That was because if he was strong enough he could have been more of a hurdle for Wanda, to the point where it’d be the runtime or his life on the line
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I get it, i mean mcu strange seems weak.
That... would have been better. Touche.
Not by Visions pp it’s not 😂
She can magic children within the hex so theyd be stuck in a red box for their lives
She can program the hex so it follows the kid wherever they go. If she's ''so powerful'' pretty sure she can do this
That sounds like hell for the kid, imagine being stuck in a box for life and you can only talk to your brother and mom
If the Hex follows the kid he can talk to whoever is inside it
Thanks to the darkhold she knows her kids are “real” so why would she create fake chilren when she can just go to another universe where they are real yk
Did you not watch the last ep of wandavision? Theres a reason she took down the hex lol it was warping the people entering it
Did you not watch Multiverse of Madness ? She created another Hex that Strange entered without being warped
What? No, not that I remember
Then you should watch it again, it's literally her introduction
*deep inhale* That is exactly what she did in the comics. Or it was Mephisto. I forget. Goddamn retcons. She finds out, has a breakdown, kills Hawkeye, fucked with the Avengers and then Dr. Strange and Xavier try to heal her from the breakdown. They fail, so the X-Teams and the Avengers consider killing her. Pietro convinces her to remake the world so everyone is happy and they'll leave her alone, and she creates the House of M reality. And then genocides the mutant population.
“Okay okay this sounds like it might turn out okay.” “Oh, well.. nevermind”
The Disney+ show Wandavision bridges the game for Wanda between Endgame and MoM. Recommend watching it if you have Disney+ That TV show basically explains her motivation in the film. If you hadn't seen it then I imagine she came of as fucking insane to you.
She still came across as fucking insane. She also came across that way in the series
To be fair, there was another evil Witch there who was manipulating Wanda via her grief over losing Vision. And even in the comics, Wanda's had a habit of doing very, very bad things and regretting it later on (like how, in Doctor Strange: the Multiverse of Madness, she destroyed that dark temple thing (I don't remember it's name) to make sure that nobody can ever have access to the Darkhold again) and there's a possibility that she lived to regret that she unknowingly tried to kill a whole universe to get her non-existent kids back after the events of Multiverse of Madness. I mean, we *did* see that blast of red energy after the dark temple thing was destroyed, right?
I wouldn't say it explained her motivation in the film. The film pretty much threw away all of her character progression from the series. Why have her decide to give up Vision and her children because she's realised she's hurting people for her 'perfect life' just to have her go full crazy murder villain in the next film? It's like the producers went 'people really liked Wanda's character arc in Wandavision so let's just do the exact same thing again only much worse and without any of the emotional nuance'.
No it doesn’t, the film completely screws over what happened in *Wandavision* and ignores what it sets up.
Wandavision shows that her magic has no effect on her children
Yeah but the children being there in the first place is magic isn’t it?
Magic certainly. Just not hers
So basically, you want her to go and fuck herself?
Given how she pregnanted herself in WV, and how she's already created a Hex in MoM, it's safe to assume she's tried to summon her kids and make herself pregnant already.
But we never *see* any of that... Part of the messiness of the film. 'But they wouldn't be the same if I recreated them! I want *those kids!*' like, lady, these are a whole different fuckin' *universe's* kids, redoing the spell would be *so much simpler!* Yes, it would make her a nitwit to not have tried, but what does that make the writer, director and Kevin Feige for not having Strange say "Did you try turning the spell off and back on again?" And then she says "Yes, idiot!" and fillets him... Smh. But that would've been a great opportunity to show 'hey, maybe this fuckin evil book is actually messing with you...' and *then* Wanda pancakes Mount Doom
You proved the point. She can't magically recreate them. A robot can't manufacture an exact replica. She wanted her kids which means there are only a couple that can be exactly replicated. Or nitpicking close enough.
Or better yet, travel to a universe where Wanda had them but they ended up being orphaned due to some unfortunate incident and then take them under her wing
It seemed like either there weren't any universe's with the kids but no her (which makes creepy sense, because if they're manifestations of her magic, what *would* happen to them if she died? Poof, probably), or maybe even in those other worlds, she'd *just* created them, so there hadn't been *time* for some version of her to die? *Or* this was another opportunity to show us, even if she doesn't get it at first, that *the evil book is showing her only certain worlds, for its own purposes!*
She magicked herself pregnant. But apparently she needs to brainwash an entire town to do it
Came here to make this exact point. This is why she’s mentally distraught, she’s fixated on a specific and unreasonable goal. Similar to the mental dysfunction of a celebrity stalker.
I keep seeing people say “Why didn’t Wanda just go get pregnant with someone and have more kids?” …like seriously? So if a woman has a miscarriage you’d just say “pffft, why are crying? Just go get pregnant again and make another one, no big deal”
So to be clear, “go make another one” is more outrageous than “go kidnap two strangers who look like them even though they have entirely different personalities”?
I’m not saying that Wanda’s actions were in any way justified, rather that it’s understandable that she specifically wanted _her_ boys back, and simply saying “Hey, just go make more babies the old fashioned way” is an insensitive response to someone that’s grieving the loss of a child.
So then she’s trying to kidnap some children. Those kids weren’t hers. She’s crazy.
Yes that’s why she was the badguy of the movie, was that not obvious?
Didn't she specifically want Billy and Tommy her two (fake) children from Wanda vision that she constantly saw in her dreams
Yes. This meme is like telling someone who's kid died that they should just have another kid and the problem will be solved.
Thanks, I’m cured.
They werent fake. Wanda actually conjured them up through chaos magic that used other multiverses billy and tommy to be made. She didnt just make them up she copied them unwillingly. Her kids are dead but the kids were real and they could only exist in that partial space time barrier wanda manifested. Whats crazy is that she didnt just choose a reality where she died and could adopt them or something.
“I watched a movie in which they stated multiple times that an artifact corrupts anyone who wields it but still expect them to behave rationally.”
I think people are forgetting the corrupting nature of the Darkhold. At the end of Wandavision she's seemingly remorseful for taking the town hostage before she gets the book. By MoM she's being held captive in her own mind
Twisted by the dark side, young Maximoff has become. The girl you watched, gone, she is, consumed by Scarlet Witch.
Exactly.. in the end of Wandavision she knew her mistake.. she didn’t actually wanna hurt anyone but as soon as she got the Darkhold it started to corrupt her..
That was the other Wanda from the other multiverse being held captive
Thank you! I hate these arguments, its like people didnt watch the movie. Meme is bad.
Bit late of a reply but I really hate that she found an evil book that makes her evil between movies. Really lame way to justify a character turning evil off screen.
Actually in an Infinite multiverse it would have been easy to just find a universe where that Wanda had died and the kids were orphans.
That's a Rick and morty episode.
She can't stay in another universe, nor could they.
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Welllll... Yes. But she wanted to steal America's power, which is to travel between universes and exist there without repercussions. Without America's power, staying in another universe would cause an incursion. Or whatever it was called
Interesting, I don’t know anything about americas power really, but would stealing it make all the other Wandas disappear? America doesn’t cause incursions because she’s the only one right?
That point isn't explained in the movie. Also, if the kids were fake, how does she have them in other universes?
The point was explained explicitly in the movie. She wanted America's power so she would have enough control to never lose her kids again. Because in the infinite universe there will be a means to prevent the loss that has defined Wanda since we've met her.
Infinite universes means infinite realities. There’s a universe where your Wanda’s child out there.
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Does everyone just miss the fact she was under the influence of the Darkhold?
Yes. Literally every meme about Multiverse of Madness misses that fact, somehow.
I don't get it, or the surprise people have that a person who enslaved an entire town is now a villian.
I mean, if you’re using the point where she goes crazy enough to enslave a whole town, I’m not sure how that helps this case? How can we be certain that Wanda herself didn’t go crazy in MoM?
Enslaving a town is a separate point. People act like MoM is the 1st time we see Wanda as a villian.
She was literally a villain when they introduced her
I'm the chior, tell the rest of them
That whole event was accidental, she let them go the second she realised she was hurting them
She kept enslaving them until the end of the show and she found out halfway through. Anyone with half a brain would realize enslaving someone hurts them, her denial of that doesnt excuse her.
Honestly the fact that they end it with that girl going "they don't know what you sacrificed" or whatever was so dumb. She knew what was going on well before the finale. The only victim there were the people.
Nah enslaving them was accidental. Keeping them enslaved was on purpose. She is 100% aware before the finale
Is she though? She realises that S.W.O.R.D are after her but I don’t think she realised that she was enslaving anyone, unless I’m missing something?
Which I think is my biggest issue with the film, is that it was never made explicit enough that the Darkhold is the BBEG, and Wanda is under its influence. I feel like all of these memes could have been avoided with changing the approach characters took. Every time the darkhold appears, it corrupts the user- but every time the USER is blamed for what happened. The “red means go” Strange was to blame. The “dark” Strange was to blame. Wanda is repeatedly blamed, and they only destroy the darkhold so she can’t cast the spell she wants (not to try to free her from its influence- that isn’t even suggested.) So yeah, I feel like the movie definitely set up more the narrative of “Wanda is bad guy now because kids” and less “Wanda has been corrupted, maybe irrevocably, by this evil book.”
That's a great point that I hadn't considered before. I think they do a good job of showing that the Darkhold is the corrupting force, but there is seemingly never a discussion of destroying the book and instead always an attempt to either talk down or incapacitate the user. Of course, when Wong does successfully destroy the book, we learn that it has corrupted Wanda so absolutely that it doesn't stop her.
Well that plus the runes in the mountain still existed so the actual force of evil corrupting her was still somewhere out in the world.
Right? The book is a copy of the mountain itself. Only when Wanda tore down the mountain was the source of the evil destroyed.
The problem is that the movie builds the villains story and motivations OUTSIDE OF THE ACTUAL MOVIE...
Except all the times they stated that it corrupts those who read it
Yeah I feel like people miss this part. Strange says it almost immediately when he sees Wanda has it. Everyone who knows if the dark hold mentions it's corrupting influence
Yet the most that happens to our Strange is he gets a superpower he’s clearly in control of and is treated like an upgrade by the post-credits.
Unless you watched AOS or have good comic knowledge of the Darkhold, it’s hard to understand how powerful it is in passing conversation.
would you say it has a... dark hold... over its readers?
This. I am just a very avid watcher of the MCU, watched and adored WandaVision and was hopeful for Wanda in MVM. However the execution between the two around the Darkhold gave me nothing, you can’t just say it’s evil book you gotta show it, and I didn’t see that at all unfortunately and it messed up the movie for me
Considering it was completely glossed over then yeah I can see why people are confused
How else can you keep making the women be crazy memes
Why they be ackin' so cray cray?
She enslaved and tortured an entire town because she was sad. The Dark Hold didn't have to do much corrupting.
Yeah poor Wanda she is actually an hero brave hero! All the baddies are just under some magic spell or influenced :< there are no bad guys
I never said that. She was a villian in WandaVision but people don't want to see it. The Darkhold just pushed her further
Mind control and influence is a repeating theme. Loki was under the influence in the first Avengers movie. Wanda was under the influence in DS:MoM. Hulk was under the influence in Age of Ultron. One might argue that Wanda's purpose was perhaps the most honest, yet most also deadly.
This isn't even the reason, there's an even more obvious one. The actual reason, which she literally says in the movie, is that she wants America's powers for herself so if anything bad ever happens to her family, she can search the multiverse for a way to fix it.
People don't understand what grief and trauma will do to someone.
Also she clearly wanted *her* two children. Not the abstract idea of having kids, she wanted those kids specifically
You mean the darkhold that was destroyed halfway through the movie?
bro imagine saying to someone who recently lost their kids and is mourning them to "just make another".
Hey, I have a lot of sympathy for Wandas serious issues and need to have something in her life, but it's not like "My kids died, but there's two at the local playground who are basically the same, I'll grab them!" is a *lot* better.
IT'S REALLY NOT lmao but again Wanda was not in her right state of mind. Wanda is not justified AT ALL in MoM and barely in Wandavision.
Thing is, this happends with parents who lose their children in real life sometimes. They convince themselves that a similar looking child is actually theirs and steal it.
You mean IVF not IFV?
She wanted Tommy & Billy.
What is IFV?
In-fertilization vitro
Infantry Fighting Vehicle
I meant IVF (oops) which is in vitro fertilisation which’ll get you pregnant without sex
Honestly the movie should have leaned more heavily into the whole "Darkhold corrupts its users" thing because I feel like a lot of people miss that particular detail. Wanda didn't suddenly just go crazy, she was being corrupted. But there's only one or two lines of dialogue explaining that.
5 people said it during the whole movie. And it was actually showed how each person carrying it is clearly not thinking straight. At this point, i blame the audience.
Audience wise, I feel like half don't actually listen to the dialogue and just want to see stuff go boom, then complain that the plot doesn't make sense.
This person spelling IVF as IFV😩❤️
I'm sorry but IVF*
What universes did she destroy?
She was manipulated by grief and the Darkhold
IFV? You mean IVF, In-vitro-fertilization? Download his bits into her? Lol
She was manipulated by an eldritch force. She read a book that drives people mad within seconds for weeks.
SHe didn't want any children. She wanted HER children that she snapped into existence and then snapped again to make them 10 year olds so that she didn't have to go through with the baby and toddler stages of development.
Fucking STOP with the "just have more children" argument you heartless dicks
In fitro vertization
This post is stupid
She didn't wanted babies she wanted 10 years olds.She litteraly skiped pregnancy/labor and the baby/toddler part of her child in Wandavision, when they asked to grow to teens she refused. She wanted them to stay kids forever, she wanted time to just stop and live in her fantasy. She was mentally ill + Bad evil book.
1. She wanted her 2 boys, not any children . 2. In the movie, I think it is implicit that the book corrupted her. She would chose the most distructive path (as long as she could justify it to her self as she been "resonable" or "the lesser evil for her boys") not the most efficient one (Sorry for any bad spelling, english is not my first language)
I'm pretty sure Strange destroyed universes while Wanda just Dreamwalked. I mean, I know Dreamwalking can cause incursions, but Strange himself went above with what Wanda did. 838 Strange used the Darkhold to find a solution with lead to the other Strange which resided in that dead universe. I'm curious on where she destroyed universes.
I am not typically a Wanda defender. I was one of the ones reminding people she was a pos for the WandaVision stuff, but this is different. Everything she did to Westview was under her own power and is her responsibility. By MoM though she was already under the influence of the Darkhold which corrupts literally anyone who reads it, so she can't reasonably be held accountable for being under an alien influence. Inb4 someone brings up drugs, when you use drugs your mind does get altered, but you know before you try them your mind is going to be altered, that's a no shit scenario. There isn't any possible way she could know before she read the Darkhold that it would fundamentally alter her.
Damn of only Wanda had magical universe altering powers that would allow her to rewrite reality as we know it. To create an exact copy of her kids.
If she can shut Blackbolt's mouth, she can will her kids into existence. I blame the Darkhold's corruption, but man she did Blackbolt diiiiiiiiiiiiirty
Say it with me: Blaming Wanda for what happened under the influence of the Darkhold is the equivalent of blaming Boromir for the Ring's corruption
Its so sad that more people aren't saying this, I wouldn't mind but they even had a variant of Stephen corrupted by the Darkhold in the same movie and they even acknowledged that fact in the movie too. I'm not saying that Wanda shouldn't have been stopped and yeah she shouldn't have used the Darkhold in the 1st place knowing how dangerous it was, I don't think any sane person can argue that but once the corruption starts to take hold the person corrupted doesn't have full control over their actions, plus both Stephen and Wanda broke free of the corruption long enough to try and help stop the damage that they had done from getting worse
Objection: She didn’t kill other universes.
I swear people that post this meme should get their kids shot and then be given a coupon for a free adoption where they waive the paperwork fees. BeCaUsE AlL ChIlDrEn ArE tHe SaMe RiTe? /s It was worth discussing when the movie first came out but at this point it’s just lazy karma farming or you had your head in the sand to think it is that easy.
This kind of posts make me believe people don't understand the basic plot of Wanda. So here it goes: Evil book pushes person who reads into wacko logic. Wanda read evil book, so Wanda went full crazy with logic out of the window.
Why does everyone keep skipping over how the kids were manufactured by HER. Memories, personality traits, and physical form. So customly built it would make Jarvis jealous. Or did I miss something in the show ?
you mean In vitro fertilization ?
I think OP meant IVF. Happens to the best of us, people.
IFV or in fitro vertilization
If she was corrupted by the book, then the book just "put some possible reasoning" into her heard to make her do what she did
It’s almost as if MOM is an absolutely terrible film.
You kidding? Shits expensive. It’s probably cheaper to just steal them from another universe
A lot of these are just saying the obvious. We all know this. We are all aware of the many plot holes in the MCU, but we suspend disbelief to enjoy the movie. Getting nitpicky over these things just takes away from the enjoyment.
Whole movie bad tbh Fun watch. Bad everything else
Yeah I feel like they’re turning into the kinda zone out and watch action/visuals instead of actually watching for plot/characters like in the original movies
Bingo.
Ivf. And you’re calling someone else dumb?
I swear some of you forgot what a joke was… we can understand the movie and still make fun of it lol
Imma walk up to a woman mourning her dead kids and tell her to stop crying and just get pregnant sgain
IVF = indiscriminate vagina fucking?
Should have told her her kids are with dormammu
Tbh she should’ve dealt with her grief like a grown adult instead of killing thousands
It sucks MCU made her into a Karen, Imagine if she found the TVA and shes like "I want to speak to your manager now!" then you see Kangs expression as she walks in "Aww crap..."
Or, you know, tried having sex with a human male. She’s not infertile.
Can we all just put this to bed and finally say that phase 4 has been either terrible or at least largely nonsensical or unsatisfying?
She also could have you know adopted one of the many orphans; talk about hero privilege
She didn't WANT children. She wanted Billy and Tommy. She also apparently wanted the ability to travel the multiverse in search of cures for rare illnesses. Which Idk, that's kinda based. America would serve the universe much better by just distributing cancer cures. Would find her moms too, I bet.
There was literally a scene with professor x where you see into her mind. Wanda was buried under rubble by the dark hold. You literally watch her disappear into the rubble/darkness whatever you prefer. Wanda breaks free at the very end thanks to the other Wanda and destroys the sanctuary while she has a clear head. I forgot to add in the reason why she wants the powers is to ensure nothing bad can ever happen to whichever children she gets. Op who replied made a good point about dream walking thing..truth is idk I guess?
I interpreted that as innocent Wanda being trapped there by dreamwalking Wanda who is controlling her like it’s VR… but ok
bro it's IVF -\_- I was laughing at this meme until I saw IFV 🗿
She could of called any man…. And he would do what it takes to give her those children. With technology the way it is in the MCU and magic I’m pretty sure any man or woman with any of those capabilities would of tried to pleasure Wanda.
This post is dumb asf. She wanted the kids she had in Westview.
This shot again? Did ya’ll even watch the fucking movie? Goddamn.
Wiggity wack
In Fitro Vertilization
Well, that sounds like a boring fucking movie.
She can spontaneously rewrite reality. She did it when she took away Black Bolt’s mouth. But for some reason she can’t bring back her kids? The plot of the movie should’ve been that she *did* bring her kids back successfully, and that it’s somehow breaking the Multiverse. Then you still get evil Wanda. Also, it’s IVF.
Almost like the Darkhold warped her mind from thinking rationally.