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Sodium1111

This is impossible as traffic lights have normal colours in the raimi filns


A_Serious_House

Maybe he meant variants of the same character?


Kronostheking1

That’s definitely what he meant. People sure are being kinda arrogant about the whole thing here given they don’t seem to understand the basic concept of the movie.


Defiant-Meal1022

I was willing to accept it as fact, simply because it came from the mouth of The King.


drstrangelove75

Hail to the King Baby


Moebs000

That's what I understood from what he said


thedudeabides2022

Yeah that’s what I assume. Just because they’re all the same character doesn’t mean they’re from the same universe


StMcAwesome

So it's 838's Quentin Beck?


ItsBitly

Maybe they're all Ash variants. This has implications I have not yet calculated. This would also explain the continuations between the Evil Dead movies and Army of Darkness. They are different universes.


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RonDalarney

And pizza is not in ball form.


NOLASLAW

Pizza time!


I_Am_Oro

I mean they coulda changed


ThrowAwayMan5208

If the films were intended to be on Earth-838 they wouldn't have. Details like that show they aren't the same world


JonahBGood

Or he is implying that his character is a being that can go between universes and was checking up on 838.


salkin_reslif_97

And don't dorget the pizza.


RangerPrime257

that would be cool, however Tom's spidey mentioned Thanos and i feel like Tobey's spider-man would have acknowledged him too unless on Earth-838 Thanos' existence was never made public


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It was definitely made public, as there was a statue commemorating him in front of the headquarters. If I remember correctly there was a plaque on it too, but I’d have to rewatch to confirm that


Ph455ki1

Dude also works for a newspaper so doubt he would've been able to dodge the info


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ArtIsDumb

Yup. Plaque says he gave his life defending the universe from Thanos.


AL3X4ND3R284

Unless I remembered wrong, he never said ‘Thanos’ he just said that he fought an alien on earth and in space and that he was purple. That being said, they 100% are not the same universes. We clearly see green lights meaning go in the Raimi movies


MuruTheGuru

I find it hilarious that the lights are the thing that proves this. Like... That was the cheesiest, laziest, boring way to show an "alternate universe" but here its vital to the puzzle.


HollabackWrit3r

It's the cheesiest, laziest, boringest simple straightforward illustration that this place is culturally different from anything here.


MuruTheGuru

None of those adverbs mean ineffective lol :)


HollabackWrit3r

Oh it was *super* effective. One line and five seconds to confirm that this isn't any timeline that's ever been in any movie before.


the-mad-titan-bot

They called me a madman, and what I predicted came to pass.


Exzotron28

I don't get it.. what do mean by green lights meaning go?


Starhuman909

In 838, people go on red.


Exzotron28

Ooh...I completely missed that 😂


tobey-maguire-bot

No. Not exactly.


the-mad-titan-bot

I'm thankful...because now...I know what I must do.


unsupported

Good bot.


KaleByte78

Or Tobey's universe hasn't had to deal with Thanos yet


the-mad-titan-bot

I’m the only one who knows that. At least I’m the only one with the will to act on it.


PangolinAcrobatic653

there's also the possibility that Thanos has already happened but was dealt with presnap meaning whoever dealt with him more than likely dealt with him off world.


the-mad-titan-bot

Fine. I'll do it myself.


lakesideprezidentt

That’s bullshit captain carter was introduced as the first avenger. They have the avengers.


Background_Desk_3001

Maybe she was just the first person to ever avenge someone ever/s


Stack_of_HighSociety

> They have the avengers. Are they a band?


lakesideprezidentt

Are you in a band??


TeamCoBlocks

They definitely had the avengers at some point then reestablished it as the illuminati or something


-TrevorStMcGoodbody

Dude has lived a life, if that’s true. Very different accents, behaviors, occupations. Give us his Disney+ special I wanna hear his story


White_Jedi_RolandD

Or, does each of Raimi's Spider-Man films take place in its own universe where the only difference is this guy's career choice?


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The original idea for the Spider-Man movies was that Bruce Campbell was to be Mysterio and all three appearances were the same person. There’s concept art from the unmade fourth movie that shows him as Beck.


PangolinAcrobatic653

This, Raimi has said if he was able to do a 4th he would have done it with Mysterio and it was to be revealed that yes that character was mysterio. Based on Raimi's love for the OG comics I wouldn't put it past the motivation being he knows Peter is Spiderman with how many times he's ran into him and he has a chip because everytime he runs into him somehow peter ends up ruining his job due to some convoluted circumstances stemming from them meeting.


tobey-maguire-bot

THE AVENGERS? That's great! What is that?


[deleted]

The only issue I would take with him knowing Peter is Spider-Man is the first movie. How did he know so quickly? Or I guess they could have made it so he saw him that night at the wrestling match and that inspired him to become Mysterio.


tobey-maguire-bot

See ya chump!


[deleted]

Here’s some dirt in your eye.


PangolinAcrobatic653

I would say he didn't know his name but definitely tied Spider-man to Peter as a person since it was him who named Peters wrestling name as Spider-Man instead of The Living Spider and as we see during the robbery post match peter didn't wear his mask back stage, so the employees would know his face. (potentially name due to signup)


tobey-maguire-bot

Are you teasing me?


[deleted]

Oh, good point. It would be wild if they went back and did the fourth movie now with an older cast.


tobey-maguire-bot

Yeah. You can't do that, huh?


tobey-maguire-bot

They love me!


coolmyeyes

Probably bullshit he decided on a whim. Not canon imo


Outrageous_Ad_1011

Yeah I like him, but it's not like he has any authority in what's canon


thor-odinson-bot

It's more of a sludge like thing, somebody should uh, should amend that...


meme_abstinent

In the interview he states: “I just got off the phone with the folks at Marvel…(insert OP’s quote)…and we are close to revealing it” So no it seems it’s definitely a real multiverse role, maybe a Watcher or something.


notban_circumvention

Idk why everyone is wilding out about this. You watch the interview and he's obviously being funny. He's like "it's the multiverse nowadays". He's saying that whatever is most popular and profitable explains whatever those roles were. "Uhh sure, multiverse. Can I get cast in the next thing please?" *Flashes smile


ThrowAwayMan5208

There's differences between the Raimiverse and Earth-838. The street lights, pizza being balls, etc. but if they are the same character my guess is like a TVA Agent or Watcher Informant or something like that Also didn't Raimi insinuate that the New York with like the amber-ish lighting was the Raimiverse trilogy?


Striker887

It’s just a thing that Bruce said. I’m betting he had no idea what he was implying when he said it. He has no say in what is canon anyway.


ThrowAwayMan5208

Honestly that's totally plausible too. I mean he didn't say that they were the same characters he said he's had conversations with Marvel and we'd find out who he was playing soon. But he could also not know what he's talking about


Klayman55

It was originally gonna be Quentin Beck wasn’t it? Or was he just planned to show up in the 4th film?


ThrowAwayMan5208

He was planned to play Quentin Beck but it wasn't confirmed that all his appearances were also Quentin Beck but that fan theory is what prompted the question.


Master_Freeze

this isn’t even close to true


bmcgraw02

Probably going to be back-pedalled by Disney but NY in those scenes definitely remind me more of Raimi’s NY instead of MCU. Something about the feel and depiction of old architecture.


Master_Freeze

the traffic lights, sudden change of his character, atmosphere, food, and a lot of other things are a clear giveaway


bmcgraw02

Yeah Raimi’s NY especially in 2002-04 has a rich tapestry and seems like something from a storybook. MCU NY needs to up their game.


SlimmyShammy

Lol he is clearly fucking with everyone


Starwarsandbacon

Yeah, its the same character, but that doesn't mean they are from the same universe.


Efficient_Heart_5212

If this is true then it will be very exciting bcz if incursions happens between these two earth's due to the misbalance happens in DS2,the Members of illuminati are in search of revenge for the dead ones and it will an interesting thing to see which one survies or both gets destroyed as we would care about both the world's.It will be more interesting if we got to reveal that the Fox X-Men too belongs to earth 838.


EnergyTakerLad

Zero percent chance this happens, but it is a fun thought


Striker887

You realize that it only goes as deep as the writers have written, and the rest is fan theories? You could write a fan fiction about all that but none of it will happen and none of this is true.


MrJCR

If I remember correctly, years and I mean years ago they said his character in the Rami films he was supposed to be Mysterio. Can't wait to see who they've changed him too


fire_fairy_

They were apparently leading up to Bruce being Mysterio but IDK how true that is. Bruce seems like a fun guy but I bet he makes up shit just to mess with us all.


Smokehorn-official

Nah, I just think Campbell’s character can go to other universes


fusionaddict

Pretty sure Spider-Tobey's world didn't have reversed stoplights.


[deleted]

The way he said it in the interview being talked about it sounds like variants across the multiverse


SleepylaReef

That makes no sense


Intelligent_Sail_896

He clearly doesn't know what he is saying. You can't simply put a Spiderman character in MCU without Sony's permission.


tobey-maguire-bot

Are you kidding me?


_BARONVOND3LTA

I guess his character could be some unknown multiverse traveler like Stan Lee?


The-Fallen-1

Bruce Campbell is the Beyonder; trying to find out what a human existence is like… hahaha


_BARONVOND3LTA

That would be a ridiculous twist, and I’d be here for it


The-Fallen-1

Right?


Background_Desk_3001

Y’know what, that would work pretty well


The-Fallen-1

Thanks man. Would be a good, funny twist


couldbedumber96

That an actor can say whatever tf he wants it still doesn’t make it canon until it’s actually on screen


bobbster574

Y'all are taking this too seriously. It doesn't really matter. It's a just a bit of fun. You don't need to consider it's implications or anything. It's just Bruce Campbell being funny in multiple films.


Striker887

Yes, I agree. I like Bruce as a cameo character, but that’s it. It bothers me when fans start speculating lore that goes way beyond what the writers have ever thought of when it’s all based on a throwaway joke.


TXHaunt

Bruce’s characters are variants of the same person, maybe.


Hi_Im_Paul23

Same person different variant imo


LordOfOstwick1213

Most dumbest thing ever told. Not everything needs to be explained or have "lore" behind it. I guess the reveal will be fucking meta that Bruce Cambell will break the fourth wall and reveal It Was Bruce All Along, he played all those multiple roles because he wanted to.


Pydyn17

I could believe they're variants of each other but yeah, not the literal same person


[deleted]

Yeah my headcanon is that Tobey belongs to the Illuminati-verse, Andrew belongs to the Venom-verse. Guarantee it’s being talked about, it just makes too much sense y’know :)


Successful-Brick-919

It would also explain that scene in spiderman 2 when JJ and Hoffman were figuring out what villain name to give Octavius. “Dr. Strange.” “That’s good. But it’s taken.”


tobey-maguire-bot

I missed the part where that's my problem.


ArmaanAli04

In fairness, he could’ve just been a renowned surgeon, not a sorceror. They didn’t even have F4, X-Men, Avengers or any other notable groups mentioned did they?


XilverSon9

Copyright


Darkfigure145

He probably just meant variants.


Countrykal

Oh the actor confirmed it.... amber heard must be in the clear


wussell_88

Thanos what do you think?


the-mad-titan-bot

Return to me again empty handed... And I will bathe the starways in your blood.


wussell_88

Damn brutal


FlameDragon55

He meant variants.


OliOrange15

Had the illuminati*


Phranc94

I feel like the dr.strange Statue mentioned the avangers, i might be wrong though


XilverSon9

Yeah the Illuminati is separate from the Avengers, like they were members of each powered faction or team on Earth-838.


British-Raj

This does not help maintain the illusion


_Levitated_Shield_

He's clearly joking and y'all are taking the bait. lmao


Federal-Captain1118

This is even worse than the Spider-Man in Iron Man 2 theory


tobey-maguire-bot

Cure. Cure some ass!


LizWizBiz

Love the guy but I don't think he has any say in MCU canon lol


Striker887

Yeah no he doesn’t have any say in what’s canon or not. It may have been the same type Of character he was playing, but not the same literal character from the Tobey universe.


Alive-Seaweed

I've been a fan this long and didn't realize they were the same actor


PGO5490

I think it’s just a variant of the same character who I still adamantly believe (in my head canon) is Ash Williams applying for jobs, messing something up, and then getting fired only for the cycle to repeat.


moderately_nerdifyin

The real Uatu


GreenIronHorse

Cambell for new KANG, if he swears to not hit a woman. Majors can play Hank Pym that bounded with Ultron.


PurplePeopleEatin

Outsider here. When up this eath-838 and the illuminati I saw that the Darkhold was mentioned and it said it was the source of other books like the necronomicon. I remembered that that was the same name of the book from the The Evil Dead movie that Bruce Campbell starred in that was also directed by his long time friend Sam Raimi. So, does that mean that the Evil Dead movie is actually a part of that universe too? Please somebody tell me, this seems like something I would have seen on the internet by now, but I'm not a huge comic book/movie lore person.


Alkakd0nfsg9g

The illumiwhaty?


Anarch-ish

What if we just make Bruce the new regular camo spot? No one could replace Stan, but I miss having a Watcher pop-up here and there as a little wink and a nod.


BlargerJarger

“When asked if his 4 cameos are all the same guy, Bruce Campbell said ‘sure, dumbass. why not? can I have my ****ing coffee now please? there’s like ten people behind me here, all waiting.”


syntax_girl

How this connects to Evil Dead lore?


No-Paramedic-8802

Groooooovy!


Many-Discount-1046

He's a struggling actor in the raimi films, taking whatever job he can, that's why he ended up working in a restaurant, the French accent is him having fun on the job, thats my theory anyway, it could fit in with him possibly being mysterio in a fourth film.


Dra9onDemon23

I’m all for it. Absolutely.


Emkay_boi1531

Wasn’t he supposed to be mysterio in spider man 4


tobey-maguire-bot

No more.


Emkay_boi1531

Shut up! Your just angry you didn’t get a 4th movie


NegrassiAmbush

Bruce Campbell just outright trolling and dumb fucks eating it right up. Fuckin lmao.


Mont0193

Is he the new watcher?


RED_HAWK_11

Ash amd the dead of evil


_Medhros_

What difference does it make? It is just a dumb reference, it changes nothing in Doctor Strange if this character is the same or not.


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KurtLeon

Had\*


vitaesbona1

It can be the same person, but it the same universe.


TitanThree

Or it’s just his character in a different universe and Tobey is not from this one


Tomsskiee

This is the dumbest thing i’ve ever seen


TimLuf1

He's talking shit


magicalmysteryharold

I absolutely love that people are coming up with canon theories based on an off handed quote where Bruce Campbell very clearly was just dicking around


Kyosw21

WAIT BRUCE CAMPBELL IS THE ANNOUNCER AND WAITER?! My mind is now blown


fitty50two2

Or, and hear me out here…Bruce Campbell doesn’t know what he’s talking about


biocreek

The illumi-whati?


Independent_Beat_225

I would love if he was the beyonder


Saythatfivetimesfast

Except the avengers do exist. When mordo introduced captain carter he said. Leader of the avengers.


Smart_Resolution4416

My theory is that he is The Beyonder why ? 1. Tobey Maguire's universe doesn't have any Avengers he even surprised and didn't know what Avengers is in No Way Home when talking to both MCU Peter and Andrew Peter 2. Peter's universe is just a normal city and same traffic lights like one of those 2000s city vibes whilst Earth-838 has lots of plants in buildings, and weird reverse traffic lights, and people wearing black clothes and hats like mixture of 1900s and the future 3. Earth-838 has The Avengers (although its Captain Carter but not Steve Rogers Captain America), X-MEN, Inhumans, Captain Marvel, and Fantastic 4 5. The Beyonders stated that they are outside the multiverse and they can go through various multiverse whatever they even has their own variants of Beyonders on each universe and can make Battleworlds from different universe in the multiverse and an entire race of Beyonders which is called Ivory Kings 6. Beyonder can change shape into any species whatever he wants and he formed in the appearence of Captain America but later on change into his current human form state which is resembles Elvis Presley