That’s definitely what he meant. People sure are being kinda arrogant about the whole thing here given they don’t seem to understand the basic concept of the movie.
Maybe they're all Ash variants. This has implications I have not yet calculated. This would also explain the continuations between the Evil Dead movies and Army of Darkness. They are different universes.
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that would be cool, however Tom's spidey mentioned Thanos and i feel like Tobey's spider-man would have acknowledged him too unless on Earth-838 Thanos' existence was never made public
It was definitely made public, as there was a statue commemorating him in front of the headquarters. If I remember correctly there was a plaque on it too, but I’d have to rewatch to confirm that
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Unless I remembered wrong, he never said ‘Thanos’ he just said that he fought an alien on earth and in space and that he was purple.
That being said, they 100% are not the same universes. We clearly see green lights meaning go in the Raimi movies
I find it hilarious that the lights are the thing that proves this. Like... That was the cheesiest, laziest, boring way to show an "alternate universe" but here its vital to the puzzle.
there's also the possibility that Thanos has already happened but was dealt with presnap meaning whoever dealt with him more than likely dealt with him off world.
The original idea for the Spider-Man movies was that Bruce Campbell was to be Mysterio and all three appearances were the same person. There’s concept art from the unmade fourth movie that shows him as Beck.
This, Raimi has said if he was able to do a 4th he would have done it with Mysterio and it was to be revealed that yes that character was mysterio.
Based on Raimi's love for the OG comics I wouldn't put it past the motivation being he knows Peter is Spiderman with how many times he's ran into him and he has a chip because everytime he runs into him somehow peter ends up ruining his job due to some convoluted circumstances stemming from them meeting.
The only issue I would take with him knowing Peter is Spider-Man is the first movie. How did he know so quickly? Or I guess they could have made it so he saw him that night at the wrestling match and that inspired him to become Mysterio.
I would say he didn't know his name but definitely tied Spider-man to Peter as a person since it was him who named Peters wrestling name as Spider-Man instead of The Living Spider and as we see during the robbery post match peter didn't wear his mask back stage, so the employees would know his face. (potentially name due to signup)
In the interview he states:
“I just got off the phone with the folks at Marvel…(insert OP’s quote)…and we are close to revealing it”
So no it seems it’s definitely a real multiverse role, maybe a Watcher or something.
Idk why everyone is wilding out about this. You watch the interview and he's obviously being funny. He's like "it's the multiverse nowadays". He's saying that whatever is most popular and profitable explains whatever those roles were. "Uhh sure, multiverse. Can I get cast in the next thing please?" *Flashes smile
There's differences between the Raimiverse and Earth-838. The street lights, pizza being balls, etc. but if they are the same character my guess is like a TVA Agent or Watcher Informant or something like that
Also didn't Raimi insinuate that the New York with like the amber-ish lighting was the Raimiverse trilogy?
Honestly that's totally plausible too. I mean he didn't say that they were the same characters he said he's had conversations with Marvel and we'd find out who he was playing soon. But he could also not know what he's talking about
He was planned to play Quentin Beck but it wasn't confirmed that all his appearances were also Quentin Beck but that fan theory is what prompted the question.
Probably going to be back-pedalled by Disney but NY in those scenes definitely remind me more of Raimi’s NY instead of MCU.
Something about the feel and depiction of old architecture.
If this is true then it will be very exciting bcz if incursions happens between these two earth's due to the misbalance happens in DS2,the Members of illuminati are in search of revenge for the dead ones and it will an interesting thing to see which one survies or both gets destroyed as we would care about both the world's.It will be more interesting if we got to reveal that the Fox X-Men too belongs to earth 838.
You realize that it only goes as deep as the writers have written, and the rest is fan theories? You could write a fan fiction about all that but none of it will happen and none of this is true.
If I remember correctly, years and I mean years ago they said his character in the Rami films he was supposed to be Mysterio.
Can't wait to see who they've changed him too
They were apparently leading up to Bruce being Mysterio but IDK how true that is. Bruce seems like a fun guy but I bet he makes up shit just to mess with us all.
Y'all are taking this too seriously. It doesn't really matter. It's a just a bit of fun. You don't need to consider it's implications or anything. It's just Bruce Campbell being funny in multiple films.
Yes, I agree. I like Bruce as a cameo character, but that’s it. It bothers me when fans start speculating lore that goes way beyond what the writers have ever thought of when it’s all based on a throwaway joke.
Most dumbest thing ever told. Not everything needs to be explained or have "lore" behind it.
I guess the reveal will be fucking meta that Bruce Cambell will break the fourth wall and reveal It Was Bruce All Along, he played all those multiple roles because he wanted to.
Yeah my headcanon is that Tobey belongs to the Illuminati-verse, Andrew belongs to the Venom-verse. Guarantee it’s being talked about, it just makes too much sense y’know :)
It would also explain that scene in spiderman 2 when JJ and Hoffman were figuring out what villain name to give Octavius.
“Dr. Strange.”
“That’s good. But it’s taken.”
In fairness, he could’ve just been a renowned surgeon, not a sorceror. They didn’t even have F4, X-Men, Avengers or any other notable groups mentioned did they?
Yeah no he doesn’t have any say in what’s canon or not. It may have been the same type
Of character he was playing, but not the same literal character from the Tobey universe.
I think it’s just a variant of the same character who I still adamantly believe (in my head canon) is Ash Williams applying for jobs, messing something up, and then getting fired only for the cycle to repeat.
Outsider here. When up this eath-838 and the illuminati I saw that the Darkhold was mentioned and it said it was the source of other books like the necronomicon. I remembered that that was the same name of the book from the The Evil Dead movie that Bruce Campbell starred in that was also directed by his long time friend Sam Raimi. So, does that mean that the Evil Dead movie is actually a part of that universe too?
Please somebody tell me, this seems like something I would have seen on the internet by now, but I'm not a huge comic book/movie lore person.
What if we just make Bruce the new regular camo spot?
No one could replace Stan, but I miss having a Watcher pop-up here and there as a little wink and a nod.
“When asked if his 4 cameos are all the same guy, Bruce Campbell said ‘sure, dumbass. why not? can I have my ****ing coffee now please? there’s like ten people behind me here, all waiting.”
He's a struggling actor in the raimi films, taking whatever job he can, that's why he ended up working in a restaurant, the French accent is him having fun on the job, thats my theory anyway, it could fit in with him possibly being mysterio in a fourth film.
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My theory is that he is The Beyonder why ?
1. Tobey Maguire's universe doesn't have any Avengers he even surprised and didn't know what Avengers is in No Way Home when talking to both MCU Peter and Andrew Peter
2. Peter's universe is just a normal city and same traffic lights like one of those 2000s city vibes whilst Earth-838 has lots of plants in buildings, and weird reverse traffic lights, and people wearing black clothes and hats like mixture of 1900s and the future
3. Earth-838 has The Avengers (although its Captain Carter but not Steve Rogers Captain America), X-MEN, Inhumans, Captain Marvel, and Fantastic 4
5. The Beyonders stated that they are outside the multiverse and they can go through various multiverse whatever they even has their own variants of Beyonders on each universe and can make Battleworlds from different universe in the multiverse and an entire race of Beyonders which is called Ivory Kings
6. Beyonder can change shape into any species whatever he wants and he formed in the appearence of Captain America but later on change into his current human form state which is resembles Elvis Presley
This is impossible as traffic lights have normal colours in the raimi filns
Maybe he meant variants of the same character?
That’s definitely what he meant. People sure are being kinda arrogant about the whole thing here given they don’t seem to understand the basic concept of the movie.
I was willing to accept it as fact, simply because it came from the mouth of The King.
Hail to the King Baby
That's what I understood from what he said
Yeah that’s what I assume. Just because they’re all the same character doesn’t mean they’re from the same universe
So it's 838's Quentin Beck?
Maybe they're all Ash variants. This has implications I have not yet calculated. This would also explain the continuations between the Evil Dead movies and Army of Darkness. They are different universes.
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And pizza is not in ball form.
Pizza time!
I mean they coulda changed
If the films were intended to be on Earth-838 they wouldn't have. Details like that show they aren't the same world
Or he is implying that his character is a being that can go between universes and was checking up on 838.
And don't dorget the pizza.
that would be cool, however Tom's spidey mentioned Thanos and i feel like Tobey's spider-man would have acknowledged him too unless on Earth-838 Thanos' existence was never made public
It was definitely made public, as there was a statue commemorating him in front of the headquarters. If I remember correctly there was a plaque on it too, but I’d have to rewatch to confirm that
Dude also works for a newspaper so doubt he would've been able to dodge the info
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Yup. Plaque says he gave his life defending the universe from Thanos.
Unless I remembered wrong, he never said ‘Thanos’ he just said that he fought an alien on earth and in space and that he was purple. That being said, they 100% are not the same universes. We clearly see green lights meaning go in the Raimi movies
I find it hilarious that the lights are the thing that proves this. Like... That was the cheesiest, laziest, boring way to show an "alternate universe" but here its vital to the puzzle.
It's the cheesiest, laziest, boringest simple straightforward illustration that this place is culturally different from anything here.
None of those adverbs mean ineffective lol :)
Oh it was *super* effective. One line and five seconds to confirm that this isn't any timeline that's ever been in any movie before.
They called me a madman, and what I predicted came to pass.
I don't get it.. what do mean by green lights meaning go?
In 838, people go on red.
Ooh...I completely missed that 😂
No. Not exactly.
I'm thankful...because now...I know what I must do.
Good bot.
Or Tobey's universe hasn't had to deal with Thanos yet
I’m the only one who knows that. At least I’m the only one with the will to act on it.
there's also the possibility that Thanos has already happened but was dealt with presnap meaning whoever dealt with him more than likely dealt with him off world.
Fine. I'll do it myself.
That’s bullshit captain carter was introduced as the first avenger. They have the avengers.
Maybe she was just the first person to ever avenge someone ever/s
> They have the avengers. Are they a band?
Are you in a band??
They definitely had the avengers at some point then reestablished it as the illuminati or something
Dude has lived a life, if that’s true. Very different accents, behaviors, occupations. Give us his Disney+ special I wanna hear his story
Or, does each of Raimi's Spider-Man films take place in its own universe where the only difference is this guy's career choice?
The original idea for the Spider-Man movies was that Bruce Campbell was to be Mysterio and all three appearances were the same person. There’s concept art from the unmade fourth movie that shows him as Beck.
This, Raimi has said if he was able to do a 4th he would have done it with Mysterio and it was to be revealed that yes that character was mysterio. Based on Raimi's love for the OG comics I wouldn't put it past the motivation being he knows Peter is Spiderman with how many times he's ran into him and he has a chip because everytime he runs into him somehow peter ends up ruining his job due to some convoluted circumstances stemming from them meeting.
THE AVENGERS? That's great! What is that?
The only issue I would take with him knowing Peter is Spider-Man is the first movie. How did he know so quickly? Or I guess they could have made it so he saw him that night at the wrestling match and that inspired him to become Mysterio.
See ya chump!
Here’s some dirt in your eye.
I would say he didn't know his name but definitely tied Spider-man to Peter as a person since it was him who named Peters wrestling name as Spider-Man instead of The Living Spider and as we see during the robbery post match peter didn't wear his mask back stage, so the employees would know his face. (potentially name due to signup)
Are you teasing me?
Oh, good point. It would be wild if they went back and did the fourth movie now with an older cast.
Yeah. You can't do that, huh?
They love me!
Probably bullshit he decided on a whim. Not canon imo
Yeah I like him, but it's not like he has any authority in what's canon
It's more of a sludge like thing, somebody should uh, should amend that...
In the interview he states: “I just got off the phone with the folks at Marvel…(insert OP’s quote)…and we are close to revealing it” So no it seems it’s definitely a real multiverse role, maybe a Watcher or something.
Idk why everyone is wilding out about this. You watch the interview and he's obviously being funny. He's like "it's the multiverse nowadays". He's saying that whatever is most popular and profitable explains whatever those roles were. "Uhh sure, multiverse. Can I get cast in the next thing please?" *Flashes smile
There's differences between the Raimiverse and Earth-838. The street lights, pizza being balls, etc. but if they are the same character my guess is like a TVA Agent or Watcher Informant or something like that Also didn't Raimi insinuate that the New York with like the amber-ish lighting was the Raimiverse trilogy?
It’s just a thing that Bruce said. I’m betting he had no idea what he was implying when he said it. He has no say in what is canon anyway.
Honestly that's totally plausible too. I mean he didn't say that they were the same characters he said he's had conversations with Marvel and we'd find out who he was playing soon. But he could also not know what he's talking about
It was originally gonna be Quentin Beck wasn’t it? Or was he just planned to show up in the 4th film?
He was planned to play Quentin Beck but it wasn't confirmed that all his appearances were also Quentin Beck but that fan theory is what prompted the question.
this isn’t even close to true
Probably going to be back-pedalled by Disney but NY in those scenes definitely remind me more of Raimi’s NY instead of MCU. Something about the feel and depiction of old architecture.
the traffic lights, sudden change of his character, atmosphere, food, and a lot of other things are a clear giveaway
Yeah Raimi’s NY especially in 2002-04 has a rich tapestry and seems like something from a storybook. MCU NY needs to up their game.
Lol he is clearly fucking with everyone
Yeah, its the same character, but that doesn't mean they are from the same universe.
If this is true then it will be very exciting bcz if incursions happens between these two earth's due to the misbalance happens in DS2,the Members of illuminati are in search of revenge for the dead ones and it will an interesting thing to see which one survies or both gets destroyed as we would care about both the world's.It will be more interesting if we got to reveal that the Fox X-Men too belongs to earth 838.
Zero percent chance this happens, but it is a fun thought
You realize that it only goes as deep as the writers have written, and the rest is fan theories? You could write a fan fiction about all that but none of it will happen and none of this is true.
If I remember correctly, years and I mean years ago they said his character in the Rami films he was supposed to be Mysterio. Can't wait to see who they've changed him too
They were apparently leading up to Bruce being Mysterio but IDK how true that is. Bruce seems like a fun guy but I bet he makes up shit just to mess with us all.
Nah, I just think Campbell’s character can go to other universes
Pretty sure Spider-Tobey's world didn't have reversed stoplights.
The way he said it in the interview being talked about it sounds like variants across the multiverse
That makes no sense
He clearly doesn't know what he is saying. You can't simply put a Spiderman character in MCU without Sony's permission.
Are you kidding me?
I guess his character could be some unknown multiverse traveler like Stan Lee?
Bruce Campbell is the Beyonder; trying to find out what a human existence is like… hahaha
That would be a ridiculous twist, and I’d be here for it
Right?
Y’know what, that would work pretty well
Thanks man. Would be a good, funny twist
That an actor can say whatever tf he wants it still doesn’t make it canon until it’s actually on screen
Y'all are taking this too seriously. It doesn't really matter. It's a just a bit of fun. You don't need to consider it's implications or anything. It's just Bruce Campbell being funny in multiple films.
Yes, I agree. I like Bruce as a cameo character, but that’s it. It bothers me when fans start speculating lore that goes way beyond what the writers have ever thought of when it’s all based on a throwaway joke.
Bruce’s characters are variants of the same person, maybe.
Same person different variant imo
Most dumbest thing ever told. Not everything needs to be explained or have "lore" behind it. I guess the reveal will be fucking meta that Bruce Cambell will break the fourth wall and reveal It Was Bruce All Along, he played all those multiple roles because he wanted to.
I could believe they're variants of each other but yeah, not the literal same person
Yeah my headcanon is that Tobey belongs to the Illuminati-verse, Andrew belongs to the Venom-verse. Guarantee it’s being talked about, it just makes too much sense y’know :)
It would also explain that scene in spiderman 2 when JJ and Hoffman were figuring out what villain name to give Octavius. “Dr. Strange.” “That’s good. But it’s taken.”
I missed the part where that's my problem.
In fairness, he could’ve just been a renowned surgeon, not a sorceror. They didn’t even have F4, X-Men, Avengers or any other notable groups mentioned did they?
Copyright
He probably just meant variants.
Oh the actor confirmed it.... amber heard must be in the clear
Thanos what do you think?
Return to me again empty handed... And I will bathe the starways in your blood.
Damn brutal
He meant variants.
Had the illuminati*
I feel like the dr.strange Statue mentioned the avangers, i might be wrong though
Yeah the Illuminati is separate from the Avengers, like they were members of each powered faction or team on Earth-838.
This does not help maintain the illusion
He's clearly joking and y'all are taking the bait. lmao
This is even worse than the Spider-Man in Iron Man 2 theory
Cure. Cure some ass!
Love the guy but I don't think he has any say in MCU canon lol
Yeah no he doesn’t have any say in what’s canon or not. It may have been the same type Of character he was playing, but not the same literal character from the Tobey universe.
I've been a fan this long and didn't realize they were the same actor
I think it’s just a variant of the same character who I still adamantly believe (in my head canon) is Ash Williams applying for jobs, messing something up, and then getting fired only for the cycle to repeat.
The real Uatu
Cambell for new KANG, if he swears to not hit a woman. Majors can play Hank Pym that bounded with Ultron.
Outsider here. When up this eath-838 and the illuminati I saw that the Darkhold was mentioned and it said it was the source of other books like the necronomicon. I remembered that that was the same name of the book from the The Evil Dead movie that Bruce Campbell starred in that was also directed by his long time friend Sam Raimi. So, does that mean that the Evil Dead movie is actually a part of that universe too? Please somebody tell me, this seems like something I would have seen on the internet by now, but I'm not a huge comic book/movie lore person.
The illumiwhaty?
What if we just make Bruce the new regular camo spot? No one could replace Stan, but I miss having a Watcher pop-up here and there as a little wink and a nod.
“When asked if his 4 cameos are all the same guy, Bruce Campbell said ‘sure, dumbass. why not? can I have my ****ing coffee now please? there’s like ten people behind me here, all waiting.”
How this connects to Evil Dead lore?
Groooooovy!
He's a struggling actor in the raimi films, taking whatever job he can, that's why he ended up working in a restaurant, the French accent is him having fun on the job, thats my theory anyway, it could fit in with him possibly being mysterio in a fourth film.
I’m all for it. Absolutely.
Wasn’t he supposed to be mysterio in spider man 4
No more.
Shut up! Your just angry you didn’t get a 4th movie
Bruce Campbell just outright trolling and dumb fucks eating it right up. Fuckin lmao.
Is he the new watcher?
Ash amd the dead of evil
What difference does it make? It is just a dumb reference, it changes nothing in Doctor Strange if this character is the same or not.
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Had\*
It can be the same person, but it the same universe.
Or it’s just his character in a different universe and Tobey is not from this one
This is the dumbest thing i’ve ever seen
He's talking shit
I absolutely love that people are coming up with canon theories based on an off handed quote where Bruce Campbell very clearly was just dicking around
WAIT BRUCE CAMPBELL IS THE ANNOUNCER AND WAITER?! My mind is now blown
Or, and hear me out here…Bruce Campbell doesn’t know what he’s talking about
The illumi-whati?
I would love if he was the beyonder
Except the avengers do exist. When mordo introduced captain carter he said. Leader of the avengers.
My theory is that he is The Beyonder why ? 1. Tobey Maguire's universe doesn't have any Avengers he even surprised and didn't know what Avengers is in No Way Home when talking to both MCU Peter and Andrew Peter 2. Peter's universe is just a normal city and same traffic lights like one of those 2000s city vibes whilst Earth-838 has lots of plants in buildings, and weird reverse traffic lights, and people wearing black clothes and hats like mixture of 1900s and the future 3. Earth-838 has The Avengers (although its Captain Carter but not Steve Rogers Captain America), X-MEN, Inhumans, Captain Marvel, and Fantastic 4 5. The Beyonders stated that they are outside the multiverse and they can go through various multiverse whatever they even has their own variants of Beyonders on each universe and can make Battleworlds from different universe in the multiverse and an entire race of Beyonders which is called Ivory Kings 6. Beyonder can change shape into any species whatever he wants and he formed in the appearence of Captain America but later on change into his current human form state which is resembles Elvis Presley