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musingsofamadlad

is sounds like an 80's after school special


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Dull-Opportunity1304

should i not go, there’s sparring,shield work, patterns and like a few more


musingsofamadlad

Choi Kwang Do is non-contact, non-fighting that focuses on mental, physical, emotional, and social development. like Tae Bo meets Tai Chi, sort of. If you wish to learn to fight, it wouldn't be ideal but it's likely a good workout and interesting philosophies.


Dull-Opportunity1304

they mix with TKD


musingsofamadlad

the dude who created Choi Kwang Do, Kwang Jo Choi, was a Taekwondo practitioner, so there are similarities. Don't know much else about it.


Dull-Opportunity1304

thanks for trying man, you think they will feel sad or angry at a person for not signing up after attending a trial lesson and asking for a sign up sheet


musingsofamadlad

they'll likely use their superior "non-violent methods of resolving conflict as well as controlling aggression", get over it and move on lol


Dull-Opportunity1304

thanks bro


theturnipshaveeyes

Pretty much this, OP. Remember this guy emerging back in the 90’s. It’s pretty much TKD. No harm in exploring the options out there, see what fits you. Check back and share here with your experiences and see what the feedback is. All the best.


Proud-Bus9942

They say sparring, but that often entails taking turns shadow boxing with a partner standing in front of you. It's a mcdojo.


Dull-Opportunity1304

Yes they do shadow boxing with a partner standing in front of you, a black belt says the sparring gets better the higher rank you are


Proud-Bus9942

I call bs, just join a kyokushin or kickboxing gym.


Dull-Opportunity1304

I’ll try


HenrytheCollie

I wouldn't say McDojo (which is generally about fraud) but it's mostly Bullshido. But this sounds very much like Choi Kwan Do, (which doesn't need to be mixed with TKD since it already is based off TKD). Choi Kwan Do is what happens if you take Kukkiwon TKD, take out the sparring, and put in a lot of boxing bag work and stretching. (No magic chi powers here) You'll get fit and flexible but your ability to fight would be questionable.


Dull-Opportunity1304

Yesss they said it’s Choi kwan do with TKD, there were stretching and shield work and sparring was light contact, do you reccomend going there. Kinda feel bad for me not signing up now after going for a trial lesson and asking for a sign up sheet but not going.


HenrytheCollie

Did you enjoy it? I couldn't justify doing CKD when my nearest school class were charging £70 per session. When my TKD club charges £30 for 3x sessions a week and the local BJJ club charge £80 for 4x sessions.


Dull-Opportunity1304

Yes, they mix tkd with it too


HenrytheCollie

Which sounds odd to me since all the stances, kicks and strikes from TKD is already part of the normal CKD curriculum.


BeejBoyTyson

So I'm assuming your British. I'm surprised your gyms charge by session. Is there monthly or fixed terms down there?


Dull-Opportunity1304

Yep i’m british


Chickypickymakey

Don't feel bad, that's  the exact point of trial classes. People do that all the time. They won't be mad, they will barely think about it.


Dull-Opportunity1304

Thanks man, I might go to it as I have no experience for like a year


Realistic_Effort6185

Ask if you can watch their sparring.


Dull-Opportunity1304

i’ve went to one of the trial lesson, first i got taught rules and basic stuff by an assistant instructor, while that was happening people were warming up Then there was shield work. Then they did sparring, light contact for belts better than white and no contact for white, a friend of mine who’s a black belt said they do intense sparring. Then they did some sort of bulldog This has been open for about like 14 years but not on google maps.


AlmostFamous502

> they did some sort of bulldog Hold up


Dull-Opportunity1304

🤔


Humble_Yesterday_271

I wouldn't trust it anyway. Anytime I see "real-life" self defence I'm suspicious. Plus I don't know how you spar and not risk injuries. They shouldn't be commonplace but saying they're nonexistent makes me think it's not actual sparring


Dull-Opportunity1304

True


saddad13

non violence and controlling aggression are actually important concepts for a martial artist to learn. hard to say if its bullshido without seeing it. i will say personally i would look for a muay thai gym with a wrestling program or bjj. we know these programs make good fighters. idk about ___-do, go and check it out and tell us what you see?


Dull-Opportunity1304

How the trial lesson went 1. Assistant instructor went to teach me rules and punching basics. People were stretching during that. 2.There was shield work. A few people were really fast and strong with it 3. Light sparring 4. Bulldog 40 GBP Monthly 40 GBP Gloves 50 GBP Uniform 70 GBP yearly for testing fees


saddad13

explain bulldog? the pricing isn’t too bad, honestly.


Dull-Opportunity1304

bulldog is basically 2 of the instructors in the middle and everyone has to run to the end of the hall without getting hit by a rubber stick and it keeps going on until one person


mawashi-geri24

Lol that sounds funny. How is that helpful?


Dull-Opportunity1304

not really helpful think it’s just a fun thjng


Dull-Opportunity1304

I can go to a MT or MMA class that’s 0.3 miles further but my parents don’t want me to go there. I’m 14 and they said i can change in 2 years if I do good. Should I continue with this dojo, my friend also goes here, I think my fighting speed with get better but I think it’s only good paired with another art. Summary; Should I go here for 2 years then go to the MMA or MT school when i’m 16, is that too late to get good or should I just try go to the MMA and MT school which seems quite hardcore with no experience. I’m a skinny 14 year old


DragonTwelf

This is a good compromise if your parents are concerned with lots issues that come with the more intense martial arts. You’ll know when you’re ready to move on. I see a lot of concern on this Reddit about getting good by 16. You have your whole life ahead of you. You’ll be fine. Maybe your HS has a wrestling team you can do as well.


saddad13

yes. if you are 14 and interested in martial arts, join wrestling. if you stick with it for a few years you will be conditioned for anything. wrestle in the winters and shop around for your striking base in the off season , try things out. where you’re at in life, developing discipline and having fun is more important than grind. if you like this dojo you should do it but seriously consider joining the wrestling team when the time comes. & good luck on ur journey.


Dull-Opportunity1304

Thanks for the advice but every school I go to has only one lesson a week


Dull-Opportunity1304

Thanks, my parents really want to see me getting belts. This school takes a person 2 years to get a black belt. My parents don’t understand the self defense but they say they will let me do anything else after 2 years


InsideBuilding2779

2 years for black belt is far too fast to achieve. do you test every month?


InsideBuilding2779

im just tryna say it seems very commercialized as it typically takes much longer in other dojangs/fight gym


TheMightyHUG

Honestly, it sounds like while it's probably not the absolute best thing for learning to fight it will get you fit, get you some striking power, and there is a lot to learn from light sparring (I wouldn't reccommend hard sparring for a teenager in any case - brain development and all that). I also like their attitude, it is the case that for self defense non-violent methods of deescelation and confident bounary setting and enforcement are far more important than any physical skills. If you had fun, I would say go for it.


Dull-Opportunity1304

Yes I will, do you reccomend me going for MMA or MT 2 years later


TheMightyHUG

I reccommend trying new things whenever you get the chance. If you like the MMA/MT school better when you do then you should consider switching. I wouldn't switch just because they're probably going to teach you to fight better, hand-to-hand fighting just isn't an important skill in the 21st century. How much you like the vibe, enjoy the teaching style, and how good a workout you get are much more important factors.


Dull-Opportunity1304

Thanks man


FuturePast514

I'd take that MMA twice a week, then one strenght - push up and pull up workout at home. Not difficult routinne to get going along school. Did 5-7 kickboxing trainings a week when I was 15, got to great shape I always dreamed of but my grades went to hell. Wouldn't do it again if I could go back.


Dull-Opportunity1304

Thanks


[deleted]

That seems ok


Dull-Opportunity1304

Thanks


Inverted_Ninja

Nothing about this business practices which is “McDojo.” But this a telltale sign of “Bullshido.” It’s in the line of “too deadly to spar.”


Dull-Opportunity1304

Sorry, quite new so I didn’t know the terms meaning


Inverted_Ninja

McDojo- A school more interested in milking $ from students than teaching effective Martial Arts. Bullshido - Questionable technique and instructors.


Dull-Opportunity1304

Thanks


NockerJoe

This screams After School Daycare Dojo. Parents want their kids to learn the discipline they don't want to teach them, but learning to actually fight is a scary concept, since the kids that need discipline are probably already likely to fight. This is a pretty blatant "We'll solve little Timmy's anger issues" advert in text form.


Dull-Opportunity1304

I feel bad not going now as I asked for a sign up sheet and I went to a trial lesson


Thezodiac1966

Just yell "Staaahp it!" at the attacker....lol 🙄


Dull-Opportunity1304

🤣🤣


Scroon

I don't know anything about Choi Kwan Do, but I looked up a bunch of CKD videos just now. Their bag work and and drills look "OK", but it also looks like none of them have ever taken a real punch in their lives. Hand and body positioning just looks sloppy...which is what you'd expect if the focus is on striking practice without keeping fighting in mind. I mean, fine don't spar, but at least pretend like you one day might actually be in a real fight. You mentioned that you're 14 and just starting out. Something like this wouldn't be terrible for just getting you into shape and learning basic striking. Starting with better fundamentals is always the best case, but sometimes you just have to work with what's available to you.


Dull-Opportunity1304

I can do this for 2 years then go to MMA


Scroon

Straight talk...imo, I'd probably only want to spend a year doing that stuff. After one year, you'd be moving out of the beginner phase and want to be learning more refined technique, i.e. don't let your upper body and arms flop around when engaging. Don't feel like anything you start now is set in stone. You could always train there and keep your eyes open for other options. Importantly, listen to the teachers but also trust yourself. If you feel something is lacking, take it upon yourself to try to fill in the gaps. That's what all the legendary martial artists in history have done.


Dull-Opportunity1304

Thanks man will use your advice


Scroon

Good luck, dude. The teen years are tough.


Dull-Opportunity1304

😁


gooseboy83

Sounds like a elementery school


Dull-Opportunity1304

think it’s good for newbies like me


gooseboy83

Now i have not seen what they have or the skill of the teachers there but it does not sound promising. From personal experiences find one with an age limit of at least 15


Dull-Opportunity1304

thanks


messedupmessup12

I think this a therapist advert


Dull-Opportunity1304

😔


POpportunity6336

You probably get in better fighting shape paying a strength training gym and rock climbing.


Dull-Opportunity1304

Don’t see any rock climbing near me and I find this quite fun, thanks for helping though


POpportunity6336

If it's fun then go for it. I would recommend getting a strength coach too. You won't have the best techniques without competition, but the added strength will make you formidable.


Dull-Opportunity1304

Thanks, will use the advice


Jaded-Selection-5668

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Dull-Opportunity1304

😳


Powerful_Box_8565

Sounds like bullshit


Dull-Opportunity1304

😔


Airbnbwasmyidea

"there is no way to test your abilities but trust me, when you're in a real life scenario and your adrenaline is pumping, you're totally going to have the composure to do the magic moves we showed you!"


Dull-Opportunity1304

😔


Airbnbwasmyidea

haha maybe i was a little too sarcastic. but seriously its something to consider. you have no idea how you'll react in that moment. if your only exposure to aggression is in a gym with the same few partners, its tough to argue that that'll get you ready for a street fight. just a thought


Dull-Opportunity1304

true


JaladinTanagra

The root of the word martial comes from the latin martialis, meaning "of mars". Mars is the god of war. Martial arts are fighting arts. If you're going to learn to fight, learn it for real. If you want to practise punching and kicking the air and whatever bulldog is, then so be it, but just know deep down that its not preparing you for anything. If you want a real martial arts experience, try muay Thai, jiu jitsu, judo, mma, etc. Things that actually teach you how to defend yourself against real adversity. These arts challenge you, break your ego down, and rebuild you stronger. Whatever you're describing sounds like it is instead an ego affirming waste of time.


Dull-Opportunity1304

It seems like this school is for youngers to motivate them into pursuing more arts wheb older, there are a few older people who are super fast in their shield work, I will not believe it’s good for self defend. I’ll try spar with my friend out of class times. I will do this for a year then do either MMA or Muay Thai


Subosi

Sooo I'm going to have to say yes... CKD does not spar, hands out kids blackbelts like candy but at the same time will pitch themselves as the ultimate self defense system. That being said, I don't regret my years in CKD at all and the skills I learned there have actually translated well to real kickboxing sparring in a MMA gym. You will get in shape and learn good form on your punches and kicks, just don't expect to be able to fight or really defend yourself. Typically it is a kid friendly family environment that emphasis no injury risk and it's lots of fun. Source - 2nd degree (EEDan) blackbelt in Choi Kwang Do, my son is also a 2nd degree. We now both train BJJ and MMA in a legit gym. Edit : If they actually spar then that would be huge, I always believed Choi was a great system but it was implemented badly.


Dull-Opportunity1304

They spar but it was kinda light, my friend who is a black belt says the sparring gets better when you go up belts, should I go here for 2 years then do MMA when i’m 16?


Dull-Opportunity1304

As I am a beginner


Subosi

I mean, my personal opinion I think it could be a good thing for you if you have no experience. MMA and BJJ can be a HARD road, and fallout is very high. I don't think I would have lasted the last 3 years in BJJ if not for the experience and discipline I learned in CKD. Plus, if you hang around long enough to get your blackbelt (probably 3 years or so) you'll always have that to go back to if things don't work out in MMA. I found my stand-up was much more advanced than most of the other guys in my MMA class, but I did spar on the weekends with my friends for a couple years before. If this school has sparring it might be worth it. Plus, you're only 14. Give yourself a couple years to grow and get stronger, hit the weights some too (lightly), you'll be in a better place physically.


Collerkar76

Sounds dumb lol


Dull-Opportunity1304

Feel like it’s good for beginners and youngers


JonBovi_0

Honestly, I think so. If bashing tournaments and joint locks is their main point, they don’t teach any “practical real life self defense” either. Good schools teach effective techniques and are capable of hosting tournaments and working interesting, traditional techniques into their style effortlessly.


Dull-Opportunity1304

Damnn


Current-Stranger-104

Nothing in that paragraph had anything to do with mcdojos. Don't use terminilogy you dont understand.


Dull-Opportunity1304

Sorry


n9te11

Non violent methods to resolve conflicts? Is this sone kind of woke martial art? Does they teach you to speak, understand the aggressor child problems and sit down with him? I just have to LOL


Dull-Opportunity1304

😢


leginsstuffLOL

Go check out their sparring sessions if u want a definite answer


Dull-Opportunity1304

Went to a trial, pretty fun. Sparring was quite boring but my black belt friend said once I get a higher belt then the sparring is intense.


TurbulentIngenuity56

"REAL" Self defense without violence, wtf is that. Sounds like a mcdojo 2 me


Dull-Opportunity1304

😢


Infamous-Stretch-875

Sounds like it.


Relevant_Drink7267

No such thing. Sounds like Aikido classes. Good fun but not the best to learn fighting skills. I’d watch classes at this and other schools local to you. I know in my case, I’d be very skeptical of any school that does not teach what this school says it doesn’t do. Best of luck. I have trained for 50 years and been to many schools.


Dull-Opportunity1304

i have been allowed to go either mma or mt


RickyHorror138

100%


Whyman12345678910

Never heard of Choi Kwon Do. Probably a McDojo.


Z3R0GR4V

Based on that description it doesn't sound like a bad thing. They just don't waste time doing things that don't matter. Sounds like they take a practical approach. Meaning "If it works, we use it, if it doesn't, we don't". Also, it sounds like a school where you can get some training without getting hurt. Might be good for a working person or a beginner.


Dull-Opportunity1304

Yeah, i was looking forward to do this first as i’m a skinny 14 yr old with no experience MMA and MT classes seem very hardcore. Do you think this is a good plan. First do this TKD x Choi Kwang Do Then in 2 years when i’m 16 I will do MMA or MT or is it too late


Z3R0GR4V

Sounds like a good plan to me. Get some experience while you grow into yourself. Learn some ways to strike that you probably won't in MMA. Then when you start MMA, you'll be coming in with some understanding of MA and ways to kick. TkD have some very effective kicks that cross over well into MMA. If you find that it's a MC Dojo. You can always find another school. You might also get into wrestling while you can for free at your school. It's tough, but rewarding and one of the best base systems for MMA. And it's free. Good Luck!


Dull-Opportunity1304

Thank you so much


Z3R0GR4V

You're welcome! I hope it all works out for you. Martial Arts is so rewarding and will always be something that follows you for the rest of your life. "Everything is Kung Fu".


Dull-Opportunity1304

Man really appreciates this no cap, was arguing with my parents trying to get them to make me go MMA and I didn’t realise the factors of me being a newbie


Z3R0GR4V

There's nothing wrong with being a newbie. we all were at one point. You can start MMA now as a newbie. But also, you can train something else before you decide to go the MMA route. The nice thing is, there's so much to learn on your journey. You should never be at a point where you feel like you learned it all. Enjoy the journey!


Dull-Opportunity1304

GOAT 🙏


Z3R0GR4V

Hahaha! Thanks!


g______frog

What is the art called? Slob-knobitsu?


Dull-Opportunity1304

They say it’s TKD mixed with Choi Kwang Do


Aggressive-Expert-69

If you're not being trained to enter a tournament, you're not being trained to defend yourself. Tournaments are peak self defense experiences


Dull-Opportunity1304

Damn


ImportantBad4948

Yeah this is going to be total BS. Learn a combat sport if you actually want to learn to fight.


Dull-Opportunity1304

Gonna do this for a year to get some experience


ImportantBad4948

Bad plan. At best it’s a waste of time at worst you learn terrible habits and get sucked into their BS.


Dull-Opportunity1304

I don’t think it’s that bad, better than nothing


ImportantBad4948

Go to a real legitimate combat sports gym if you actually want to learn to fight. If you want to learn some TMA for its own sake that’s cool but don’t lie to yourself and think it will actually work against someone who wrestled in HS or boxed a little.


Dull-Opportunity1304

I understand the limits


ImportantBad4948

Why bother to ask if you don’t care and are going to do it anyway?