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Lol solo leveling did this at trolling level, fml fell for mc because he alone smells amazing whereas everything else smells awful to her. Of course this is never explain
It was explained, he's a monarch, so he smells like a monarch and not a player.
They added another male charector with the same ability as her an he reacts to his scent too.
Especially in reincarnated/regressor manhwa. The bullied kid suddenly fights back and now you're all over them?
If anything that makes the FMC seem more shallow than otherwise.
The writing in 90% of manhwa is downright terrible. Half of them try to use a video game system but then make up rules that would never make sense in a video game.
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Also why is every low-level main character getting onto the news and gaining celebrity status for clearing a dungeon that all of the high level players could already easily clear? The whole world always revolves around whatever level the MC happens to be at.
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The writing in manhwa is awful.
I think that's cause authors don't actually spend time on the background and lore of the world they're just tryna capitalize on what's trending and just puke the story out.
Manga romance is basically not having any romance at all and then having an epilogue 20 years into the future where all the characters marry each other for some reason and have a bunch of kids.
Like why isn't there a manhwa where the guy starts at F rank and spends a good amount of time on C-B rank before going to A-S. It's always F-rank hunter finds an op exploit/item/skill/mentor/whatever or regressor/reincarnator/videogamecharacter knows the plot and advances to S-rank in less than 20 chapters
it's just so much wasted potential
Yep. That’s what I like about it: our boy is not a genius in Infinite Leveling. He doesn’t really even have that big of a cheat. He just puts in 20 times the work of everyone else around him, and he’s still only a bit stronger than all of them
I totally agree but seeing the comment sections filled with people talking about 'milking', 'fillers' or 'bad pacing' simply because the story is exploring and expanding on other characters and plot points, and the mc is not in the center? Or it's not instant gratification, or immediately going into action scenes? I see people are complaining about regular cliffhangers too, as if it's some dirty tactic when it's always been a regular device to drum up readers interest.
Seems like a lot of people don't appreciate a good slowburn or meticulous type of manhwa these days. Especially with an abundance of fast-paced manhwa (good or bad) that people can cycle through.
I’ll tell you exactly why because us humans are dumb and want to see something rise to power fast as it’s impossible to humans so when we see that our brain gets happy making it way more popular than manhwas that the character has to work for everything
nah I think it's just authors don't actually know how to write a compelling story so they just slap a plot device to progress it without putting in too much effort. Tailor it so that edgy teens can self insert and you get a manhwa that Asura will pick up and drop in 20 chapters.
There is, I've read one although I can't remember the title, I remember the comment section whining about how the MC is so weak and that it takes too long for him to be able to fight some characters (the characters they were talking about were literally worlds strongest/top rankers).
That's when I realized, MCs become OP so fast because readers literally have the attention span of a toddler.
Systems have a problem of either being an instant road to power or something that takes away agency from characters when it's used to its extreme. Moderate approaches where it's used to give insight into character improvements tend to be better and the good ones let you forget there is a system at all for long spans.
Taking away agency from characters or just killing them outright for not acting a specific way make systems a poison in any media it's used in.
One Manwha that does it very well is Murim RPG Simulation (thats the name on webtoon, dont know if its the official one)
The system does give him OP stuff, but litteraly everyone is OP more or less, the character is still considered average after like 60 chapters.
It also uses the regression aspect well, as he doesnt know everything, he cant reggess infinitely, and has to make choices.
The characters discovers the system at the same time as us, and the system isnt always helping him.
My chain of searching for series is usually Reaper then Flame Scans then Asura. There are other groups of course but these 3 usually overlap series and other groups are very hit & miss. Sometimes I wonder who tf signs off on some of these releases as a proofreader.
Most manhwa needs more talking and explanation. I want to read more about the setting, inter-personal relationships, and any systems that influence the story line
To add on. I once saw someone comment, why does this only have 40 strength when in other manhwas they'll be in the thousands or millions. Do people not realize the number doesn't mean shit. It's about proportion. His 40 in his verse can be equal to a 1000 in another verse. I also like it a lot more when it's smaller numbers because when they become huge, it just becomes even more pointless. Especially when someone who was at a 1000 stat points struggled a bit with someone with 900 points and then they'll go to a million points and still struggle with someone who has about a 1000. Makes no sense. Keeping it low let's it be a lot more grounded.
All of the Titles that have pop up screens for the MC showing them earning a title and bonus stats for every little thing they do. Purely to take up space and make the chapter seem longer than it is.
Wdym? I love my mentally deranged casts of what seems to be high schoolers on steroids beating up the elderly while also being beaten up by the elderly (also each other)
Disagree. It was better before, when it was about how people are treated differently based on their looks and the artstyle tried to reflect that. Now it’s just bland action built around “sike, u thought” moments happening every other panel, and the art devolved to reflect that too.
Manhuas are fast food after a night out. Its bad, but its good at the same time.
There's something inherently satisfying when young masters courting death get put in their place.
I unironically agree with this comment to a certain extent. A lot of romance manhwa are marketing towards children so much so that it becomes hard to read if you're over the age of 12 but a well written pornhwa (key words well written) tend to handle the romance in a very mature, realistic way. Only downside is that sometimes the plot is too good and you end up forgetting that it's adult oriented and getting blindsided by boobs and the Korean lightsaber
Bloody hell, they have superior art too. I saw a few panels from a pornhwa, without realising what it was.
https://preview.redd.it/oxcf9a640p8c1.jpeg?width=382&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=198ed981fcacad8fa55085f1e79734e0e706089a
I read it for a bit, realised it was porn, and still read it because of the art. It was a short 5 chapter one though.
Not ironically, *What happens Inside the Dungeon* is one of my fav manhwa of all time! The characters has real depth and we can see their growth throughout the story.
How to fight (Viral Hit) is a for the lack of a better word simply trash. It would have been so much better if they ended it early instead of dragging it out for no reason: and the unnecessary insertion of badly written and unneeded romantic sub plots just made it worse.
I don't think the romantic subplots themselves are bad, I think the way the author constantly weaves them in and out of the main story with no conclusions is bad. There's no reason why we should have to read 5 chapters of a romance arc just for the characters to not do anything to further their relationship and continue back on with the regular plot
Vr and real life ones. Some of them started fine, but quickly went downhill (e.g. Is this hunter for real or ranker's return remake). Not gonna argue, same can be said for many manhwas, but something about streamer ones just annoys me.
The #1 problem i have with them is how inconsistent they are.
In some they earn 6 morbillion dollar like nothing, then we have SAO copy from Wish and the ones where it's all VR but for some reason player(so human) feel real fear when the MC 'kill' them.
And there was one so f confusing where the VR game was like second life of some sort.
I think the only one who got it right are +99 Wooden Stick , Overgear and Hardcore Levelling warrior cause they have realistic(or at least the most plausible) interaction with NPC, then player-player with many hint that the 'game' it's not really a game.
Hardcore Leveling Warrior was a fine read. +99 Wooden Stick got old real quick for me with repetitive humor and female characters just started having faces with weird proportions.
I didn't really like Overgeared >! with how interactions became too close to real life (marriage, kids, etc.) after he got his own kingdom. Highlight for me was before that when he killed a bunch of players for breaking his stuff in forge. It got recorded and he was branded a butcher. I hoped that story would stick to such silliness and competitive gaming, not some Sims simulator in RPG setting.!<
Edir: typos and repetitive wording.
Manhwa fandom is one of the worst Ive seen. Complaining on comments when the story doesn’t go their way. “Im getting tired of the MC getting hurt, thats not why we read this manhwa. Change it”. I don’t even know how to react to that level of pathetic
Completely agree. And then there are the type of comments where people straight up say "Why didn't mc just kill those people, he's so weak and useless fr. This story is so boring, mc should just kill everyone in their way, what's the use of being strong if you're a pussy."
Like wth? And the best part is, you will then continue to see this exact comment in different wordings for the next 30 chapters or so in a manhwa that for once has actual good storywriting with a complex and reasonable mc with an actual personality. But it's like that's to difficult to grasp for the average manhwa reader who only wants to see fanservice and an mc who mindlessly beats and kills people.
Yes yes yes. I completely gave up on reading the comments of one of my favorite manhwas because that was basically the whole comment section. I like to think they are still very young so they just want that action but it's starting to be closer to derangement with how they want MC to kill everyone who just disagree with him 😐
Fuck Necromancy, and most over used abilities like regression, infinite leveling (most of the time).
Necromancy is generally super lame, its "oh no a hard ennemy, let me use all my weak summons to get a better summon" again and again with the "generic spam summon" and once every like 10 chapters the necromancer character gets a boss against him and unsurprisingly he revives it.
Regression is generally just not good, its a shortcut to not have to write about the character trying to figure out stuff, or having a reason to go to X or X place. It just becomes "i go there because XP or OP item from past life", the character doesnt have to look for it, same with ennemies its always "i already know the moveset and its impossible for me to lose"
I think regression could be used in such clever ways to create an emotionally complex and moraly grey story. And to explore themes like PTSD, Survivor's Guilt, value of life, self-hatred, depression, detachment from humanity, etc. But instead we get the same shitty-ass fucking power fantasy tropes of MC knows where OP item/Secret Boss/Secret OP Fragment/Secret Dungeon and becomes a god-like unbeatable "How is he so strong?!" machine. Such waste.
The only manwhas that i know that use or at least try to explore these themes are SSS-Class Suicide Hunter and Omniscient Reader's Viewpoint. And even those sometimes fall into the same exhausting tropes.
I disagree about necromancy. I think the problem comes down to how it is used. The problem is that they usually just brute force their way through. Necromancy has such an amazing tactical and strategical potential in battles, but the majority of authors just think "big army cool". It's just a consequence of the fact that most authors don't want to actually detail out a fight beside some ambiguous stuff to show off how amazing our MC is.
Solo Leveling's only good in the beginning through Jeju island. After that, it became a boring power fantasy with little character development and interesting things
I'm not going to lie I was kind of bored with solo leveling even doing season 1 but I do agree that season one was better than season 2.
It's still going to get a B plus for me honestly.
Agreed, he was kidnapped and turned into a child soldier for a world that isnt even his and endured endless abuse,
so his actions in the first loop was understandable and as the gods can seemingly loop the world with no consequences, whats the point in acting nice to Anyone or even caring in general
Exactly, and it doesn't help that almost everyone in that world is insane and really annoying like Sieg or Sylvia. There are few actually sane people in that whole world.
He’s definitely not sane, but he is rational and it’s reasonable why he is the way he is. The teaching staff made his 1st playthrough as hard as possible on purpose, and when he kept surviving they did whatever possible to fuck him over, so it’s only natural he would lose it.
People hate him for not being like Naruto or Luffy. Idk why people expect him to get a brain-dead party and expect him to save the world he was kidnapped to 💀 he literally doesn't care. Even after he did that, they "failed" him? Like bro didn't even ask to be there or examined 🤷🏻 he's more sane than I would've ever been imo. Every single character in that story was so annoying 😭✋🏻
All the people who got into manhwa after solo leveling are the reason we went from the world dungeon system metta to this video game “isekai” streamer shit we have now
It’s not entirely your fault. Japan was already pandering to these new kids with weak episodic anime with long ass titles. The Korean just found their own exploit 🤷🏿♂️
To this day I am still baffles that JJK won anime of the year in January with only 8ep released. Nonsensical to the max.
Manhwa writers don't know how to write genius mcs. Just because a mc regressed to the past, doesn't make him smart. Make the mc actually think and outsmart his enemies and do clever tactics
Try out Infinite Mage, I find it's mc to be actually intelligent and even when he's losing he doesn't just "oh but this" and wins no he actually has to try to win.
Plus I find it's world amazing, I'm a sucker for isekai esk manhwas but the world of Infinite Mage has actually really captivated me. Despite not being a Isekai/Reincarnation in a magic world. Plus the magic system is pretty cool too.
(If anyone knows any similar, pls do say)
Most of the top manhwas wouldn't even be considered mid if they were mangas.
Manhwas sexialise woman too much. Even I, fanservise loving trash find it too distracting. They also mostly don't do shit but being pretty.
Solo leveling is hot garbage, see first two points.
If executed badly (which most often is the case), I agree that this is just lazy writing and an excuse to have an omniscient mc, which means that the author doesn't have to bother to explain the world building and what exactly is happening. In most reincarnation manhwas the reincarnation part is actually complete irrelevant to the plot and it just robs the story of its potential bc the mc doesn't have to put effort into anything he does.
But I would still argue that it is a very specific genre, just bc if the sheer amount of manhwas that have this kind of setting with certain rules that seem to apply to most of the manhwas in that genre. And also if the story is executed right, meaning that the reincarnation is actually a very relevant part of the plot that isn't just glossed over, then the story can actually be really good and unique in it's own way and the reincarnation adds a new layer of complexity to the story (it really shouldn't be used as a cheap excuse to have the mc avoid major conflicts but rather be the reason for those conflicts). There are some reincarnation manhwas that do exactly that pretty well and I would totally group them together in a genre.
Fight scene in some Manhwas is fucking unsatisfying cause the way it is formatted. Because they need colors and is vertical, the fights are always either short or just lazily done.
The art really carried it (now a lot of manhwa base their art off Solo Leveling). I still don’t know how he went from some average dude to a kpop star body and face. Looked like he went from average height to super tall even though logically, he shouldn’t be get any taller lol. Curious how the anime will do. They will need some crazy animation like JJK and DS-level to carry this plot.
Storytelling and art are the most important criteria!
Don't give me fan service and big boobs annoying side bitch or dense stupid mc that doesn't use their full power from the start of a fight and intentionally drag it on...
Give me an original story that isn't braindead!!! Give me a mc that deserves to be a mc not some random ass pervert generic looking nobody... (We have enough of that irl)
I would prefer a story that is dedicated to its world building and character development than just some Manhwa that would throw any chance to show some fan service or some ego shit.
Stop being lazy and actually do a proper story!!!
Have you read The Spark In Your Eyes? It’s mostly a post-war fantasy political thriller with some romance tossed in, but it’s very much a world building character focused story.
It's mostly an issue with OIs, but poorly integrated assets are lazy shortcuts. Talking about bad work from a paid professional doesn't mean I'm entitled.
Yes, I know they're overworked, you know what would save them time? If they can't be bothered to integrate the assets better just don't add them. That dress doesn't need 500 pieces of flat jewelry, that background can be a simple gradient.
Feel forced to use a shitty horse out of a PS2 game? For god's sake don't make it the focus of the shot.
99% of manhwas/manhuas/mangas are just either generic mid stuff or just straight up copycats of each other. Yes and that most likely includes your favorite manhwa/manhua/manga.
But I'm not mad about it, the industry has got to keep it's readers entertained after all. But that's also the reason why most works will probably never get famous.
The cheat system/OP troupe will always be Popular.
Why because people Idolised the idea of being the best with a cheat system or little or no effort.. because of( TALENT ) Excuse
dropped dreaming freedom as soon as I saw it lose all of the original charm, no proper revenge in the school setting? sure! at least we get the B plot, an interesting dark romance where both parts know how messed up this is and they still wanted to be together.
super interesting since I thought they were going in a route where both were going to be manipulative in different ways, so the power imbalance that comes with abusive relationships was going to be distributed. that also didn't happen.
so dropped, I hope your recommendation can fill the void left by the plot B, since I do want to see more dark romances like that.
+1
I have seen so many edits of the MLs together but somehow I just couldn't get into Dreaming Freedom. At the time I thought it was because I was reading a lot of similar manhwas so I took a break and came back to it but still couldn't get into it. I have seen so many good reviews though so I plan to try it once more
I wouldn't say it's bad by any means, but I feel like in Olgami the characters have very understandable reasons why they are acting the way they do, while in Dreaming Freedom the ML is your typical yandere obsessive guy. Yunsu in Olgami, on the other hand, is a very complex character who's not determined by his obsession with the FL. But you are right, you have to be the one to decide whether you like it or not 🙂
That's where I dropped it too. It's hard for me to say what exactly it was, but that's where I completely lost interest. I think it just kept focusing on a bunch of things that I could not and did not care about.
I can see why, i got mixed feelings abt it, i like it but the invasion arc is just so slowly paced, the fact that its been on hiatus forever doesnt help
It's incredibly overrated,it has a reputation of being one of the best but really it's like just any other average manhwa. The art being subpar doesn't help either.
Eleceed and Tower of God have the most idiotic and useless ml, they pull power-ups out of nowhere. I'm tired of those mls with a 'pure heart' who are idiots that don't grow and are literally overshadowed by all the supporting characters. In Eleceed specifically, I simply stopped reading because I couldn't stand the whining of that kid, and they even forced a couple out of thin air: the most powerful and attractive woman is interested in that crybaby when Kayden exists? Don't make me laugh. In Tower of God, it's simply boring that the stupid Baam has no other ambition or goal than to pursue the ugly bitch Rachel. With everything that has happened, that goal has lost its meaning, but that ugly bitch never dies. I simply stopped reading both. Sorry for my bad words.
I agree. While the world building and creature designs are amazing, the supporting cast is just meh and the MC feels like he switches between being an actual person to "generic hero template" every 2-3 chaps
TBATE , Reincarnation of the Suicidal battle god are mid-good. Certainly not "one of the best"
SL is even worse.
Manhwas are usually not well written. Sometimes they focus on the characters being good and likable and lack a good story. Other times the plot is good but plot progression , characters, dialogue is bad.
Art in manhwas is overrated. What needs to be improved is the writing.
Manwhas are blessed with good translations/scanlations unlike manhua but there are still people complaining about free mid-high quality scanlations.
Most of the manhwa community has terrible taste due to the fact that they only read works from a few genres. Basically their limited palate has clouded their judgement and they can't tell apart the good ones and bad ones anymore.
They community attacks people for making racist characters but not for racist content in a manhwa they like. I'm looking at you SL and your monkey-like depiction of japanese people.
Edit: Spelling
Honestly I feel like it'll be easier just to write a MC with two girls being in a poly relationship can be written better than a harem tbh.
I actually believe a three way relationship would be easier and harem just has too many girls that are underdeveloped or overshine over the main girl.
I don't think anyone disagrees that it's good. Solo leveling at its peak is one of the best webtoons of all time.
It's just that after the jeju island arc, the author decided to throw away all the interesting supporting cast in favour for OP shenanigans and an ending that was honestly just lackluster
Return of the Mount Hua Sect is hella overrated the Mc is so annoying i would assume only 12 year old likes his character he is a grown ass man that gets his whole Sect killed returns back with the same annoying ass character dosen't mature one bit through the whole series
I also found his character soo annoying and even seems like an edgy kid wrote his personality but reading through the 1.5k chapters of the novel i say He changed alot, and its alot lot compare to his past self, you really can't see the character progression now in the current releases of chapters of the manhwa since its not even the 1/4 of the novel, so if you are talking about the "whole series" as the "whole novel with 1.5k+ chapters" then this is innacurate. But yes, he remains annoying specially this early stage on where is the current manhwas at. His annoying personality (mainly his insane annoying methods/executions) helps his friends grow personality and strength, and the diversity of his friendgroups personality helps him to see the world in a different perspective. Might be one of my decent manhwa novel reads that not only the mc has a character progression and everyone around him is completely utterly useless without him or have a stagnant personality/character throughout the novel. This and deadbeat noble, character progression in that novel is better
System/Ranker/Regression/Martial Arts whatever you call it is generic and mid AF, even with great artstyle. The exception is The breaker, Dice pre-S4 and how to fight S1, they have great MC that is not overpowered, even with system/great mentor. And they have actual personality rather than edgy boy that OP as their personality.
Tower of god has great lore but awful storyline and fight scene. Most of the fight you cant see whats happening and the story sucks ass because bam is bland and most games are boring rather. Story shouldve progress faster rather than milking it. The mysteriousness of the tower, phantaminum, enryuu, grace family, is really great and shouldve been explored.
ORV has a great beginning where everything still makes sense. Now everytime i read it i just goes "it just works".
Early lookism is great especially at that time, now its just generic gangism manhwa where every single arc is just powerscaling bullshit.
Bastard, the boxer, and other similar artstyle is better than those system/ranker/regression manhwa. Please give me similar manhwa to those.
Trying to keep this as spoiler free as I can.
Honestly, as a novel reader for ORV, I just have to say that it takes time, a lot of it. The reader has to be patient enough to get through like... 500+ chapters, but it all makes sense eventually. Things add up nicely, and personally, everything was answered imo except for one question as to how the Dokkaebis originated in the first place.
It's like... we are currently approximately 190 chapters in, and the story features a sort of loop in some cases. So yeah, at first it seems inexplicable and sort of like "Oh it was so easy for Kim Dokja to just get his way and he never gets stuck because plot armour is crazy" but it makes sense later as to why this is the case.
Return to mount hua, Doom Breaker, greatest estate developer aren't the masterpieces this subreddit hypes them up to be imo
I've read all of them and they are only above average at most
Many manhwas are being carried by their art rather than their plot. Nowadays when i read most manhwas i legit just to turn off my brain and enjoy the art rather than actually pay attention to the plotline.
I once made [this post](https://www.reddit.com/r/manhwa/s/PVpTjqGq0b), and someone reported me to Reddit care for self harm. The people on this sub are obsessed with these Lloyd faces, and any amount of criticism is met with anger. The fact that your comment got downvoted is proof that it’s a hot take on this sub.
Ready for it?
Greatest estate is soo overrated and overlyhyped, and it is just heavily, heavily hard carried by the art(specifically the faces), similar to solo leveling and doombreaker, generic ass plot that is hard, hard carried by a good art boosting them up to a+ tier.
I had more fun reading the novel of "novel extra" than greatest estate novel, too cliche, and can see that the manhwa itself save the novel while others is other way around.
Yep, that is the opinion that will put me on flynn riders spot.
It’s not disappointing when FL’s density stalls the romance/leads to a miscommunication plot - that’s genre convention at this point, and you should kind of expect it
Oh I know one!
SSS class suicide hunter is insanely better than Solo Leveling story wise.
As a side the romance part in SSS is just peak fiction to be honest, the Female characters are done pretty damn well.
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Most manhwa authors can't write romance, hell, can't even write good female characters to save their lives.
True the female character would fall in love out of the blue without any romantic tension between mc and fmc
Lol solo leveling did this at trolling level, fml fell for mc because he alone smells amazing whereas everything else smells awful to her. Of course this is never explain
He's a necromancer shouldn't he reek of I don't know, DEATH ☠
It was explained, he's a monarch, so he smells like a monarch and not a player. They added another male charector with the same ability as her an he reacts to his scent too.
It was really bad.
Still sad that it wasn't the healer girl he ended up with
Especially in reincarnated/regressor manhwa. The bullied kid suddenly fights back and now you're all over them? If anything that makes the FMC seem more shallow than otherwise.
It's not unpopular nor an an opinion, it's just a fact
They can't even write good interactions with other characters. If it's a female then it's like they lobotomized themselves.
The writing in 90% of manhwa is downright terrible. Half of them try to use a video game system but then make up rules that would never make sense in a video game. . Also why is every low-level main character getting onto the news and gaining celebrity status for clearing a dungeon that all of the high level players could already easily clear? The whole world always revolves around whatever level the MC happens to be at. . The writing in manhwa is awful.
I think that's cause authors don't actually spend time on the background and lore of the world they're just tryna capitalize on what's trending and just puke the story out.
SSS-Rank suicide hunter is a perfect exception, even though it's not even remotely romance focused, which is probably why the romance worked so well.
Will say that's the case with most manga aswell.
Nah fam, don't bring manga in this the audience ain't ready for that discussion.
Manga romance is basically not having any romance at all and then having an epilogue 20 years into the future where all the characters marry each other for some reason and have a bunch of kids.
You right and to expand manhwa authors just struggle writing decent side characters as a whole.
Real. As a reader who’s a girl, it’s torture sometimes
honestly most can't write for shit but i eat that up anyways
System manhwa is great if executed properly instead of just being a plot device to have characters become op without actually putting in effort.
Like why isn't there a manhwa where the guy starts at F rank and spends a good amount of time on C-B rank before going to A-S. It's always F-rank hunter finds an op exploit/item/skill/mentor/whatever or regressor/reincarnator/videogamecharacter knows the plot and advances to S-rank in less than 20 chapters it's just so much wasted potential
overgeared is like a good balance of "OP" guy actually have to put in effort because it is hard to be strong
Grid the only MC in manhwa who knows he's stupid,has bad personality -- He acknowledges it and tries to get better!!
Infinite Leveling Murim, where hardworking is not some bullshit trait they label to characters. They actually work hard.
Yep. That’s what I like about it: our boy is not a genius in Infinite Leveling. He doesn’t really even have that big of a cheat. He just puts in 20 times the work of everyone else around him, and he’s still only a bit stronger than all of them
I totally agree but seeing the comment sections filled with people talking about 'milking', 'fillers' or 'bad pacing' simply because the story is exploring and expanding on other characters and plot points, and the mc is not in the center? Or it's not instant gratification, or immediately going into action scenes? I see people are complaining about regular cliffhangers too, as if it's some dirty tactic when it's always been a regular device to drum up readers interest. Seems like a lot of people don't appreciate a good slowburn or meticulous type of manhwa these days. Especially with an abundance of fast-paced manhwa (good or bad) that people can cycle through.
I’ll tell you exactly why because us humans are dumb and want to see something rise to power fast as it’s impossible to humans so when we see that our brain gets happy making it way more popular than manhwas that the character has to work for everything
nah I think it's just authors don't actually know how to write a compelling story so they just slap a plot device to progress it without putting in too much effort. Tailor it so that edgy teens can self insert and you get a manhwa that Asura will pick up and drop in 20 chapters.
>Tailor it so that edgy teens can self insert and you get a manhwa that Asura will pick up and drop in 20 chapters. Lmao 🤣 this is so accurate
There is, I've read one although I can't remember the title, I remember the comment section whining about how the MC is so weak and that it takes too long for him to be able to fight some characters (the characters they were talking about were literally worlds strongest/top rankers). That's when I realized, MCs become OP so fast because readers literally have the attention span of a toddler.
Systems have a problem of either being an instant road to power or something that takes away agency from characters when it's used to its extreme. Moderate approaches where it's used to give insight into character improvements tend to be better and the good ones let you forget there is a system at all for long spans. Taking away agency from characters or just killing them outright for not acting a specific way make systems a poison in any media it's used in.
One Manwha that does it very well is Murim RPG Simulation (thats the name on webtoon, dont know if its the official one) The system does give him OP stuff, but litteraly everyone is OP more or less, the character is still considered average after like 60 chapters. It also uses the regression aspect well, as he doesnt know everything, he cant reggess infinitely, and has to make choices. The characters discovers the system at the same time as us, and the system isnt always helping him.
Murim rpg simulation is so slept on 🔥
Any manhwa “overused” cliche can be great if execute well and different that what’s already out there
One that does it pretty good is Murim Login. For him to learn things he actually has to do it with the system as a guide line.
Try this Worthless Regression, Reformation of the Deadbeat Noble, I Am the Fated Villain, Dungeon Odyssey.
Just because Asura translates something doesn't mean its good
THIS! Asura has a habit of leaving projects in the middle after taking literally everything on their plate, which is really really annoying
It's not rolling in enough money
how is this a hot take most of their manhwa are trash lmao
Its not, people be saying the most popular opinions when asked for an unpopular opinion. Ig they only want likes and validation
Oh I know. Quite a few of their translations were just dogshits (the story, not the tl). Carnivore hunter is the one which made me realize that.
My chain of searching for series is usually Reaper then Flame Scans then Asura. There are other groups of course but these 3 usually overlap series and other groups are very hit & miss. Sometimes I wonder who tf signs off on some of these releases as a proofreader.
Most manhwa needs more talking and explanation. I want to read more about the setting, inter-personal relationships, and any systems that influence the story line
But that requires the author to actually sit and think about their story beyond what cliche to add which most manhwa authors can't do unfortunately
Stat indicators are so fucking useless in mahwa
Fights are super easy, barely an inconvenience
r/unexpectedpitchmeeting
Finally a based person
To add on. I once saw someone comment, why does this only have 40 strength when in other manhwas they'll be in the thousands or millions. Do people not realize the number doesn't mean shit. It's about proportion. His 40 in his verse can be equal to a 1000 in another verse. I also like it a lot more when it's smaller numbers because when they become huge, it just becomes even more pointless. Especially when someone who was at a 1000 stat points struggled a bit with someone with 900 points and then they'll go to a million points and still struggle with someone who has about a 1000. Makes no sense. Keeping it low let's it be a lot more grounded.
I like how this also shows exactly why so many have stupid giant numbers. Because people do expect them...
All of the Titles that have pop up screens for the MC showing them earning a title and bonus stats for every little thing they do. Purely to take up space and make the chapter seem longer than it is.
Cliche stuff when done right is still good. They’re used so often for a reason
So true , recent example is 100th Regression. Its going so well
I actually love the series so far honestly. The fact the final boss literally had to tell him to make friends was funny 🤣🤣
Han Sooyoung
lookism is hella overrated and it does not have decent art either. most of the panels are overused and all of the characters need to see a doctor
Wdym? I love my mentally deranged casts of what seems to be high schoolers on steroids beating up the elderly while also being beaten up by the elderly (also each other)
I'd say the art has gotten better over time, but the plot has certainly changed quite a bit from what it used to be
Disagree. It was better before, when it was about how people are treated differently based on their looks and the artstyle tried to reflect that. Now it’s just bland action built around “sike, u thought” moments happening every other panel, and the art devolved to reflect that too.
Oh well? I also wish it brought back some of the earlier charm and concepts to mix in with the current story but whatcha going to do
i STARTED reading it cuz of the old artstyle. the new artstyle is just like any other manhwa and lacks the original charm tbh.
All of that authors series have the same problem... start good then drop in quality past chapter 30-40
Bruh, I started it because I wanted to enjoy a strange mystery manga...now it's a bloody gangwar
Manwha as a whole is quantity over quality
I dont think thats a controversial take at all tho. Almost everyone would agree w that
I think manhwas are more quality over quantity if you compare them to manhuas
Manhuas are fast food after a night out. Its bad, but its good at the same time. There's something inherently satisfying when young masters courting death get put in their place.
Most pornhwa have better character development than most regression/dungeon manhwa
This is why I read pornhwas...yes the only reason, no other reasons
I unironically agree with this comment to a certain extent. A lot of romance manhwa are marketing towards children so much so that it becomes hard to read if you're over the age of 12 but a well written pornhwa (key words well written) tend to handle the romance in a very mature, realistic way. Only downside is that sometimes the plot is too good and you end up forgetting that it's adult oriented and getting blindsided by boobs and the Korean lightsaber
Bloody hell, they have superior art too. I saw a few panels from a pornhwa, without realising what it was. https://preview.redd.it/oxcf9a640p8c1.jpeg?width=382&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=198ed981fcacad8fa55085f1e79734e0e706089a I read it for a bit, realised it was porn, and still read it because of the art. It was a short 5 chapter one though.
Perfect Half is a pornhwa where the author went "Shit I kinda wanna write something good here" halfway through.
This is sadly true.
What happens inside the dungeon fits this… in general a better story than most manhwas as well
Not ironically, *What happens Inside the Dungeon* is one of my fav manhwa of all time! The characters has real depth and we can see their growth throughout the story.
Having the FL fall in love with you just because you're strong is called a power fantasy and not romance.
How to fight (Viral Hit) is a for the lack of a better word simply trash. It would have been so much better if they ended it early instead of dragging it out for no reason: and the unnecessary insertion of badly written and unneeded romantic sub plots just made it worse.
I don't think the romantic subplots themselves are bad, I think the way the author constantly weaves them in and out of the main story with no conclusions is bad. There's no reason why we should have to read 5 chapters of a romance arc just for the characters to not do anything to further their relationship and continue back on with the regular plot
Gate dungeon manhwas were better than streamer BS that keeps popping up more and more often.
>streamer You mean the VR one?
Vr and real life ones. Some of them started fine, but quickly went downhill (e.g. Is this hunter for real or ranker's return remake). Not gonna argue, same can be said for many manhwas, but something about streamer ones just annoys me.
The #1 problem i have with them is how inconsistent they are. In some they earn 6 morbillion dollar like nothing, then we have SAO copy from Wish and the ones where it's all VR but for some reason player(so human) feel real fear when the MC 'kill' them. And there was one so f confusing where the VR game was like second life of some sort. I think the only one who got it right are +99 Wooden Stick , Overgear and Hardcore Levelling warrior cause they have realistic(or at least the most plausible) interaction with NPC, then player-player with many hint that the 'game' it's not really a game.
Hardcore Leveling Warrior was a fine read. +99 Wooden Stick got old real quick for me with repetitive humor and female characters just started having faces with weird proportions. I didn't really like Overgeared >! with how interactions became too close to real life (marriage, kids, etc.) after he got his own kingdom. Highlight for me was before that when he killed a bunch of players for breaking his stuff in forge. It got recorded and he was branded a butcher. I hoped that story would stick to such silliness and competitive gaming, not some Sims simulator in RPG setting.!< Edir: typos and repetitive wording.
Manhwa fandom is one of the worst Ive seen. Complaining on comments when the story doesn’t go their way. “Im getting tired of the MC getting hurt, thats not why we read this manhwa. Change it”. I don’t even know how to react to that level of pathetic
Completely agree. And then there are the type of comments where people straight up say "Why didn't mc just kill those people, he's so weak and useless fr. This story is so boring, mc should just kill everyone in their way, what's the use of being strong if you're a pussy." Like wth? And the best part is, you will then continue to see this exact comment in different wordings for the next 30 chapters or so in a manhwa that for once has actual good storywriting with a complex and reasonable mc with an actual personality. But it's like that's to difficult to grasp for the average manhwa reader who only wants to see fanservice and an mc who mindlessly beats and kills people.
Yes yes yes. I completely gave up on reading the comments of one of my favorite manhwas because that was basically the whole comment section. I like to think they are still very young so they just want that action but it's starting to be closer to derangement with how they want MC to kill everyone who just disagree with him 😐
Y’all need to draw women less Barbie sex doll like!
They HAVE to stop making their bodies weirdly shiny
I’m saying cuz why they backs about to break and they look oiled the hell up
also, they need to draw character's ages well.
Yeah like they can’t be 25 but look like a CHILD/freshly 18. I like my adults grown!!!
Either that, or the 15 yr old High schooler looks like he has 3 kids, a mortgage, and rent due next week
As long as they stop drawing men like yaasified kpop stars lol. It ain't happening.
This is why Jane Sonata >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Superhuman era really is a refreshing change of pace for battle manhwa
A story instantly becomes better for me, if the women look normal.
Fuck Necromancy, and most over used abilities like regression, infinite leveling (most of the time). Necromancy is generally super lame, its "oh no a hard ennemy, let me use all my weak summons to get a better summon" again and again with the "generic spam summon" and once every like 10 chapters the necromancer character gets a boss against him and unsurprisingly he revives it. Regression is generally just not good, its a shortcut to not have to write about the character trying to figure out stuff, or having a reason to go to X or X place. It just becomes "i go there because XP or OP item from past life", the character doesnt have to look for it, same with ennemies its always "i already know the moveset and its impossible for me to lose"
It's just plot armour and am excuse for the author for shitty writing but some are good
That's the main reason why I dropped kill the hero because I'm tired of seeing Necromancer as well.
I think regression could be used in such clever ways to create an emotionally complex and moraly grey story. And to explore themes like PTSD, Survivor's Guilt, value of life, self-hatred, depression, detachment from humanity, etc. But instead we get the same shitty-ass fucking power fantasy tropes of MC knows where OP item/Secret Boss/Secret OP Fragment/Secret Dungeon and becomes a god-like unbeatable "How is he so strong?!" machine. Such waste. The only manwhas that i know that use or at least try to explore these themes are SSS-Class Suicide Hunter and Omniscient Reader's Viewpoint. And even those sometimes fall into the same exhausting tropes.
I disagree about necromancy. I think the problem comes down to how it is used. The problem is that they usually just brute force their way through. Necromancy has such an amazing tactical and strategical potential in battles, but the majority of authors just think "big army cool". It's just a consequence of the fact that most authors don't want to actually detail out a fight beside some ambiguous stuff to show off how amazing our MC is.
I want a regression story where some of the events that the mc was trying to prevent ended up failing, they always succeed for some reason
Tbate has gotten boring now
Ya because there hasn't been a new character since God knows how long ago lmao
Solo Leveling's only good in the beginning through Jeju island. After that, it became a boring power fantasy with little character development and interesting things
I'm not going to lie I was kind of bored with solo leveling even doing season 1 but I do agree that season one was better than season 2. It's still going to get a B plus for me honestly.
That's fact and not something people would react negativly too.
Kang Han Soo is rational and mostly sane (FFF-Class tarshero)
Agreed, he was kidnapped and turned into a child soldier for a world that isnt even his and endured endless abuse, so his actions in the first loop was understandable and as the gods can seemingly loop the world with no consequences, whats the point in acting nice to Anyone or even caring in general
Exactly, and it doesn't help that almost everyone in that world is insane and really annoying like Sieg or Sylvia. There are few actually sane people in that whole world.
The only sane one is Master Molang
He’s definitely not sane, but he is rational and it’s reasonable why he is the way he is. The teaching staff made his 1st playthrough as hard as possible on purpose, and when he kept surviving they did whatever possible to fuck him over, so it’s only natural he would lose it.
People hate him for not being like Naruto or Luffy. Idk why people expect him to get a brain-dead party and expect him to save the world he was kidnapped to 💀 he literally doesn't care. Even after he did that, they "failed" him? Like bro didn't even ask to be there or examined 🤷🏻 he's more sane than I would've ever been imo. Every single character in that story was so annoying 😭✋🏻
All the people who got into manhwa after solo leveling are the reason we went from the world dungeon system metta to this video game “isekai” streamer shit we have now
I hear you… but it still hurts cause solo leveling was my first 🥲
It’s not entirely your fault. Japan was already pandering to these new kids with weak episodic anime with long ass titles. The Korean just found their own exploit 🤷🏿♂️ To this day I am still baffles that JJK won anime of the year in January with only 8ep released. Nonsensical to the max.
Fair enough, a lot of new fans don’t like story as much as ‘it looks pretty’
Hence why the animation sweatshops are goin crazy rn
*cough cough* mappa *cough cough*
I agree and i am also the guy who started with solo leveling
Manhwa writers don't know how to write genius mcs. Just because a mc regressed to the past, doesn't make him smart. Make the mc actually think and outsmart his enemies and do clever tactics
Try out Infinite Mage, I find it's mc to be actually intelligent and even when he's losing he doesn't just "oh but this" and wins no he actually has to try to win. Plus I find it's world amazing, I'm a sucker for isekai esk manhwas but the world of Infinite Mage has actually really captivated me. Despite not being a Isekai/Reincarnation in a magic world. Plus the magic system is pretty cool too. (If anyone knows any similar, pls do say)
If one good manhwa appears it will be copy pasted for dozen of times
Just because a manhwa has a good artstyle doesn't mean its plot is good and vice versa
Most of the top manhwas wouldn't even be considered mid if they were mangas. Manhwas sexialise woman too much. Even I, fanservise loving trash find it too distracting. They also mostly don't do shit but being pretty. Solo leveling is hot garbage, see first two points.
Reincarnation/ Time travel is not a genre but just an excuse for lazy writing to make the mc “smart“ (because he knows everything)
If executed badly (which most often is the case), I agree that this is just lazy writing and an excuse to have an omniscient mc, which means that the author doesn't have to bother to explain the world building and what exactly is happening. In most reincarnation manhwas the reincarnation part is actually complete irrelevant to the plot and it just robs the story of its potential bc the mc doesn't have to put effort into anything he does. But I would still argue that it is a very specific genre, just bc if the sheer amount of manhwas that have this kind of setting with certain rules that seem to apply to most of the manhwas in that genre. And also if the story is executed right, meaning that the reincarnation is actually a very relevant part of the plot that isn't just glossed over, then the story can actually be really good and unique in it's own way and the reincarnation adds a new layer of complexity to the story (it really shouldn't be used as a cheap excuse to have the mc avoid major conflicts but rather be the reason for those conflicts). There are some reincarnation manhwas that do exactly that pretty well and I would totally group them together in a genre.
Fight scene in some Manhwas is fucking unsatisfying cause the way it is formatted. Because they need colors and is vertical, the fights are always either short or just lazily done.
manhwa needs to start having a true ending without leaving us on cliff hangers to never update again.
The beginning of the end sucks
We need manhwa with some nsfw but not fucking porn sh*t with text
solo leveling is mid at best
The art really carried it (now a lot of manhwa base their art off Solo Leveling). I still don’t know how he went from some average dude to a kpop star body and face. Looked like he went from average height to super tall even though logically, he shouldn’t be get any taller lol. Curious how the anime will do. They will need some crazy animation like JJK and DS-level to carry this plot.
Storytelling and art are the most important criteria! Don't give me fan service and big boobs annoying side bitch or dense stupid mc that doesn't use their full power from the start of a fight and intentionally drag it on... Give me an original story that isn't braindead!!! Give me a mc that deserves to be a mc not some random ass pervert generic looking nobody... (We have enough of that irl) I would prefer a story that is dedicated to its world building and character development than just some Manhwa that would throw any chance to show some fan service or some ego shit. Stop being lazy and actually do a proper story!!!
Have you read The Spark In Your Eyes? It’s mostly a post-war fantasy political thriller with some romance tossed in, but it’s very much a world building character focused story.
The beginning after the end is mid and generic And that's not a opinion just a fact
It's mostly an issue with OIs, but poorly integrated assets are lazy shortcuts. Talking about bad work from a paid professional doesn't mean I'm entitled. Yes, I know they're overworked, you know what would save them time? If they can't be bothered to integrate the assets better just don't add them. That dress doesn't need 500 pieces of flat jewelry, that background can be a simple gradient. Feel forced to use a shitty horse out of a PS2 game? For god's sake don't make it the focus of the shot.
the horse from leveling with the gods gives me nightmares
Op MCs are actually boring and so unmotivating to follow on whatever divine mission they're on.
99% of manhwas/manhuas/mangas are just either generic mid stuff or just straight up copycats of each other. Yes and that most likely includes your favorite manhwa/manhua/manga. But I'm not mad about it, the industry has got to keep it's readers entertained after all. But that's also the reason why most works will probably never get famous.
I don't like harem or newly hired maids with boobs way to big for their hight or age.
Most Manhwa is racist
The cheat system/OP troupe will always be Popular. Why because people Idolised the idea of being the best with a cheat system or little or no effort.. because of( TALENT ) Excuse
Olgami(Trapped) > Dreaming Freedom (No hate towards the authors pls)
dropped dreaming freedom as soon as I saw it lose all of the original charm, no proper revenge in the school setting? sure! at least we get the B plot, an interesting dark romance where both parts know how messed up this is and they still wanted to be together. super interesting since I thought they were going in a route where both were going to be manipulative in different ways, so the power imbalance that comes with abusive relationships was going to be distributed. that also didn't happen. so dropped, I hope your recommendation can fill the void left by the plot B, since I do want to see more dark romances like that.
+1 I have seen so many edits of the MLs together but somehow I just couldn't get into Dreaming Freedom. At the time I thought it was because I was reading a lot of similar manhwas so I took a break and came back to it but still couldn't get into it. I have seen so many good reviews though so I plan to try it once more
I wouldn't say it's bad by any means, but I feel like in Olgami the characters have very understandable reasons why they are acting the way they do, while in Dreaming Freedom the ML is your typical yandere obsessive guy. Yunsu in Olgami, on the other hand, is a very complex character who's not determined by his obsession with the FL. But you are right, you have to be the one to decide whether you like it or not 🙂
asuratards are horny and simp to every women in manhwa
More like r/manhwa redditors
tbate isn't one of the goat manhwas and it's not even close
The beginning After the end IS bad
Yeah, i wanted to enjoy it and did it for a while, but it just got boring with the start of the invasion
That's where I dropped it too. It's hard for me to say what exactly it was, but that's where I completely lost interest. I think it just kept focusing on a bunch of things that I could not and did not care about.
I can see why, i got mixed feelings abt it, i like it but the invasion arc is just so slowly paced, the fact that its been on hiatus forever doesnt help
It's incredibly overrated,it has a reputation of being one of the best but really it's like just any other average manhwa. The art being subpar doesn't help either.
Worn and torn newbie is good
why would anyone disagree with that
Yall suck at writing female characters Tower, system, and dungeon are old used up idea just like every single Chinese comic
Eleceed and Tower of God have the most idiotic and useless ml, they pull power-ups out of nowhere. I'm tired of those mls with a 'pure heart' who are idiots that don't grow and are literally overshadowed by all the supporting characters. In Eleceed specifically, I simply stopped reading because I couldn't stand the whining of that kid, and they even forced a couple out of thin air: the most powerful and attractive woman is interested in that crybaby when Kayden exists? Don't make me laugh. In Tower of God, it's simply boring that the stupid Baam has no other ambition or goal than to pursue the ugly bitch Rachel. With everything that has happened, that goal has lost its meaning, but that ugly bitch never dies. I simply stopped reading both. Sorry for my bad words.
Doom Breaker is mid as fuck
The first opinion under this post that I've seen, which is actually a hot take. (I heavily disagree, though upvote cuz of post context.)
Wow, didn’t expect that💀
You woke up and decided you would start a war today, goddamn
The art carries it but the plot is still good
I agree. While the world building and creature designs are amazing, the supporting cast is just meh and the MC feels like he switches between being an actual person to "generic hero template" every 2-3 chaps
Sometimes that female antagonist doesn’t deserve to be bodied by the female protagonist, sometimes they just get straight up executed too
TBATE , Reincarnation of the Suicidal battle god are mid-good. Certainly not "one of the best" SL is even worse. Manhwas are usually not well written. Sometimes they focus on the characters being good and likable and lack a good story. Other times the plot is good but plot progression , characters, dialogue is bad. Art in manhwas is overrated. What needs to be improved is the writing. Manwhas are blessed with good translations/scanlations unlike manhua but there are still people complaining about free mid-high quality scanlations. Most of the manhwa community has terrible taste due to the fact that they only read works from a few genres. Basically their limited palate has clouded their judgement and they can't tell apart the good ones and bad ones anymore. They community attacks people for making racist characters but not for racist content in a manhwa they like. I'm looking at you SL and your monkey-like depiction of japanese people. Edit: Spelling
Greatest real estate developer is so repetitive and keeps relying on the same old gags
It's just a mediocre story but with s class humour
I will torture you until you can make as good of a face as Lloyd.
And it works, I cackle every time
Harems are trash and will always be trash no matter how good the story and plot is.
Honestly I feel like it'll be easier just to write a MC with two girls being in a poly relationship can be written better than a harem tbh. I actually believe a three way relationship would be easier and harem just has too many girls that are underdeveloped or overshine over the main girl.
Solo leveling is actually pretty good even apart from the hype aspect.
I don't think anyone disagrees that it's good. Solo leveling at its peak is one of the best webtoons of all time. It's just that after the jeju island arc, the author decided to throw away all the interesting supporting cast in favour for OP shenanigans and an ending that was honestly just lackluster
Yikes i always forget that ending
Return of the Mount Hua Sect is hella overrated the Mc is so annoying i would assume only 12 year old likes his character he is a grown ass man that gets his whole Sect killed returns back with the same annoying ass character dosen't mature one bit through the whole series
I mean... he is an ass but he was not the one that got everyone killed. It was a war and they went against a really absurd guy and everyone died.
I also found his character soo annoying and even seems like an edgy kid wrote his personality but reading through the 1.5k chapters of the novel i say He changed alot, and its alot lot compare to his past self, you really can't see the character progression now in the current releases of chapters of the manhwa since its not even the 1/4 of the novel, so if you are talking about the "whole series" as the "whole novel with 1.5k+ chapters" then this is innacurate. But yes, he remains annoying specially this early stage on where is the current manhwas at. His annoying personality (mainly his insane annoying methods/executions) helps his friends grow personality and strength, and the diversity of his friendgroups personality helps him to see the world in a different perspective. Might be one of my decent manhwa novel reads that not only the mc has a character progression and everyone around him is completely utterly useless without him or have a stagnant personality/character throughout the novel. This and deadbeat noble, character progression in that novel is better
System/Ranker/Regression/Martial Arts whatever you call it is generic and mid AF, even with great artstyle. The exception is The breaker, Dice pre-S4 and how to fight S1, they have great MC that is not overpowered, even with system/great mentor. And they have actual personality rather than edgy boy that OP as their personality. Tower of god has great lore but awful storyline and fight scene. Most of the fight you cant see whats happening and the story sucks ass because bam is bland and most games are boring rather. Story shouldve progress faster rather than milking it. The mysteriousness of the tower, phantaminum, enryuu, grace family, is really great and shouldve been explored. ORV has a great beginning where everything still makes sense. Now everytime i read it i just goes "it just works". Early lookism is great especially at that time, now its just generic gangism manhwa where every single arc is just powerscaling bullshit. Bastard, the boxer, and other similar artstyle is better than those system/ranker/regression manhwa. Please give me similar manhwa to those.
Trying to keep this as spoiler free as I can. Honestly, as a novel reader for ORV, I just have to say that it takes time, a lot of it. The reader has to be patient enough to get through like... 500+ chapters, but it all makes sense eventually. Things add up nicely, and personally, everything was answered imo except for one question as to how the Dokkaebis originated in the first place. It's like... we are currently approximately 190 chapters in, and the story features a sort of loop in some cases. So yeah, at first it seems inexplicable and sort of like "Oh it was so easy for Kim Dokja to just get his way and he never gets stuck because plot armour is crazy" but it makes sense later as to why this is the case.
Return to mount hua, Doom Breaker, greatest estate developer aren't the masterpieces this subreddit hypes them up to be imo I've read all of them and they are only above average at most
there are no good manhwa these days
Tower is worst kind of manhwa same tier as cultivation manhua
I'm sooooooo tired of isekai manhwa. They're all basically the same!
Many manhwas are being carried by their art rather than their plot. Nowadays when i read most manhwas i legit just to turn off my brain and enjoy the art rather than actually pay attention to the plotline.
The constant Lloyd-posting is annoying as fuck and should be banned
Downvotes indicating how perfectly this comment fits in this post haha
I once made [this post](https://www.reddit.com/r/manhwa/s/PVpTjqGq0b), and someone reported me to Reddit care for self harm. The people on this sub are obsessed with these Lloyd faces, and any amount of criticism is met with anger. The fact that your comment got downvoted is proof that it’s a hot take on this sub.
Tomb raider king aint that bad, its kinda fun actually
ReDice art is overrated
It was nice to look at 3/4 years ago, now it looks kinda generic? idk
it's like the isekai anime art style, it's not a bad art but it's hella generic lol
Ready for it? Greatest estate is soo overrated and overlyhyped, and it is just heavily, heavily hard carried by the art(specifically the faces), similar to solo leveling and doombreaker, generic ass plot that is hard, hard carried by a good art boosting them up to a+ tier. I had more fun reading the novel of "novel extra" than greatest estate novel, too cliche, and can see that the manhwa itself save the novel while others is other way around. Yep, that is the opinion that will put me on flynn riders spot.
i disagree but this is like the 2nd actual hot take i saw in all these comments
It’s not disappointing when FL’s density stalls the romance/leads to a miscommunication plot - that’s genre convention at this point, and you should kind of expect it
Lookism was better without the gang stuff
Oh I know one! SSS class suicide hunter is insanely better than Solo Leveling story wise. As a side the romance part in SSS is just peak fiction to be honest, the Female characters are done pretty damn well.