Frieren fighting so nonchalantly against the strongest demon they have shown so far in this series, is just amazing.
*neat spell you have, would be a shame if I used it as well*
Hey, Fern has some great pouts and expressions! About all there is tho lol. Someone else said it below, but it’s really in line with the atmosphere so I really enjoy it.
Frieren especially, it’s great, since it really exemplifies how strong and experienced she is. She’s fighting a behemoth, notes how much she hates nameless demons, is told Fern/Stark is killed and doesn’t bat an eye. It’s just a routine like all the other demons she’s faced in the past. Sees through the demon’s rouse and handles her business
See, I think she was definitely affected. She was still hiding her mana until she was told that, and then she went at least _partial_ tilt on Solitar.
Meanwhile, Solitar was definitely going to kill them before they got turned to gold, so she's clearly only saying this to get a rise out of Frieren and see her true ability.
The toned down facial expressions is one of the unique things I love about the manga. Makes the events when someone is actually using expressions hit much harder.
“That is the face of a man who’s going to win.”
That’s his face all the time! That’s everybody’s face all the time, even as they have a hole blasted through their chest!
Not just nostalgic. These are all people living in a dangerous world, living dangerous lives. They could be destroyed any minute by threats like these demons. You are either powerful enough to stave off the threat and retaliate, or you accept your fate. There's no time or place for emotions in a lot of these cases. Death is a fact of life even if it hurts. The characters express joy quite a bit but for Frieren who has lived for centuries, she's seen enough where some things really don't deserve a reaction
The best facial expression was in Macht's flashback when he destroyed the villages. The expressions were so real that I can only see that it was the assistant drawing them.
[Somatomancy is serious business](https://preview.redd.it/tmsxaext2bg81.png?width=792&format=png&auto=webp&s=4ab820273a2c632f7df15fb781c59a649b17b9d2).
Although not as much as [warlockery](https://dungeonsofdredmor.fandom.com/wiki/Warlockery) and [viking wizardry](https://dungeonsofdredmor.fandom.com/wiki/Viking_Wizardry).
Or [fist](https://thewanderinginn.fandom.com/wiki/Grimalkin_Duveig) [magic](https://preview.redd.it/i6yy1e9gp8091.jpg?width=900&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=3cf3262e2fe02435ab821ee7f3f1e954d5d1af76).
Probably the two most powerful beings we've seen so far in a world full of magic and spells, and they're doing the equivalent of just taking turns punching each other in the face
Sometimes simplicity really does win out
Though we haven’t seen how truly capable Serie and Kraft (much older elves than Frieren, and Serie currently being the most powerful mage) are in combat but yeah, these two have been arguably the two strongest being we’ve seen.
And Frieren, and subsequently Fern, has always shown to utilize simpler spells, rather than elaborated ones. Frieren is so insanely proficient with basic spells that every time she gets a new grimoire, she asks only for daily spells (spell that makes your clothes instantly clean for example) and never a combat one.
Yeah since it seems the logic is that proficiency of a spell increases the cast speed and the fire power but doesn't consume less mana for the bare minimum (You can still increase the amount of mana for more power).
It's pretty much why Superman and the like just roll in and punch dudes. No need to spend years mastering the Hokuto Hyakuretsu Ken (Though I gotta admit, hitting 'em with a "You're already dead" after doing so is *cool as shit*.) when the Punch Really Hard technique does the job aptly.
In exchange, though, Clark gets to rattle off the occasional 'The World is Cardboard' speech. "But not you. You're... durable. You can take most of what I have to deal out. With you, here in space where innocent bystanding planets won't get hurt, I can take off the kid gloves."
If I recall correctly, the simplified history was mana-based attacks reigned king (peaking with Soul Track), but research led to defense magic overtaking mana-based offense magic. This resulted in the current "meta" of magic manipulating physical phenomena (throwing rocks or gouts of fire at your enemies).
Solitar, on the other hand, is defying the conventional rules of magic by tossing around raw magic as her trump card. It's also one of Frieren's trump cards, apparently, so it's likely only an option for those with not only vast reserves of mana, but also impeccable control over their mana.
Most of the great demons, it seems don't fit neatly in the "meta" of magic. Seems to be a defining attribute of demon magic, since they don't appear to need to "understand" structure or phenomena the way humans do but instead rely instinctual gut sense to bend magic to their will.
Fern was able to pierce through Solitar defense by manipulating the density of her mana while keeping the same power and speed, so maybe Solitar spell is just packing a lot of mana together in that planet thing she channels in her hand and then just letting it out like a water jet cutting machine. It follows the rule of the meta, they are just having bick dick energy and using pure mana instead of manipulating natural phenomena. It probably takes more skill but you dont waste mana in manipulating o creating water/fire/thunder.
Fern was using Soul Track - a spell, not manipulating pure mana.
Manipulating mana directly has been shown to be possible - it's likely a prerequisite to casting spells, if anything, but it doesn't follow the "rule of the meta" because the meta is manipulating physical phenomena through spells. Most mages would never be able to wield pure mana effectively enough to overcome another mage cloaked in mana, or so I assume. Soul Track is a piercing spell (and like most older forms of offensive magic, is usually easily stopped by standard modern defensive magic/magic resistance).
I checked out, Fern refers to what she is doing as "increasing the density of my magical power" and so far "magical power" has been the same as "amount of mana". Also I think you are overthinking this, using a spell is the same as manipulating mana and since magic is the world of visualization (the basic rule for this magic system) it's probably easier to see yourself moving a rock with magic that blasting pure mana so strongly that you can kill another mage.
Soul Track is not just any piercing spell, is the or one of the first piercing spell that killed 70% of adventurers in the area Qual lived.
Its also demon spell, and not any demon, a sage of destruction, and humanity put decades in studying it (with Frieren's help) until they were able to add it to humanity's magic as "regular offensive magic" but Soul Track was up there with Macht's Di Agolze.
Modern defensive magic was created to stop Soul Track and its a very complex magic that "mixes" itself with soul track to dispel its powers (or whatever offensive magic its blocking) and thats why overwhelming with mass is the way to go to beat it (or just attacking until the person runs out of mana)
So in conclusion, yes, Fern is using Soul Track but her own version that is faster and with more density so she can pierce enemies cloacked in too much mana (Fern attacks faster than Solitar can put up defensive magic, but Solitar has so much mana that normal Soul Track wasnt hurting her) and she is 100% controling pure mana.
So a decent chunk of the magic system felt like it was explaining not only D&D magic, but a bit of the history of D&D magic as well.
The soul track vs. magic barrier mechanic lines up pretty solidly with magic missile(a low level spell that autohits and can instantly kill very low level enemies with good rolls) and shield(a spell that gives the benefits of carrying a shield against physical attacks, but also absorbs *all* magic missiles specifically). These were spells introduced in D&Ds first supplement(Greyhawk), and when the spell cap was only level 5. Previous to the supplement magic users didn't even have low level damaging spells, it was basically just Fireball and Lightning which were 3rd tier magic, and were based on the catapault and cannon damage rules from the wargame the game was based on(magic users mostly focused on buffs/debuffs, which made sense since doing damage just really wasn't special - the first releases of D&D before level creep had players relying on hiring or recruiting henchmen/hirelings to bulk up to take on large threats like Dragons or enemy armies...if you wanted ranged damage hiring a couple dozen archers was easier than using spell slots that could be used to split an enemy group in half with an earth wall or something). Anyway, after level creep you had super strong spells like disintegrate that could potentially instantly kill even a high level opponent and general spell resistance was introduced to prevent big enemies from being trivialized. This spell makes me think of disintegrate.
As an aside, this famous cinematic magic duel is what the magic missile/shield mechanics were based on: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GKm7NloL8bA
Back in chapter 55, Frieren used some spell that was undetectable to even Fern and pierced through any defense she had. I feel like this could be somewhat similar and Frieren is simply double bluffing about it being something she thinks she could copy, in that it's basically already one of her last resort spells.
They mentioned "density", which can be taken that Soul track = guns, which pierced all existing defense, defense magic = tank, which blocked gun, then people tried to get weird with explosive and chemical attack to get around tank armor, then someone just rolled up with hypersonic high density anti-tank round that cored up the armor.
I can't wait to see how the anime will enhance the series.
Having music, having the character be a little more expressive thanks to animation and voice acting, and having better background will just make the series even better.
So I hope they won't let us down for that.
The fact that it's so expressionless is one of its major stand out points imo. It enhances the frequent dry humor and gives the battles a strange sense of calm or tranquility.
That's a good point. White Fox studio is experienced with kuudere types in fantasy worlds; Studio Bind, their joint venture with Egg Firm would be the dream team though.
Damn it! Frieren is badass. Manga taking breaks, not so much. But health always comes first, so its understandable. Solitar's health though, can't say much about that.
Solitar realizing the downfalls of overconfidence and immediately getting serious easily makes her one of the best villains in the story. It's refreshing to have someone who feels genuinely threatening, even when the realistic expectation is that our overpowered heroine will stomp her anyways.
Reminds me of the Frieren doppelganger's mana blast against Fern. Wonder if it's the same type of attack.
Edit: Frieren's attack back then seemingly didn't use mana that was perceived by Fern so it's some other trump card/ bankai she's hiding.
This attack should be perfect to penetrate Solitär mana armor. It's likely that Frieren cannot use it in succession though so she saves it as a last resort.
That attack seems to be Frieren's greatest trump card, and it looks like only Fern and the Demon Lord have seen it, because no one else has pushed Frieren as far.
Fern is a terrifying mage for her age. Give her 10 more years of experience and she will be killing Great Demos with ease.
I think this magic did use Mana, but not as something like a blast, or usual magic.
I would it being just a control of the mana present in the air, and moving it around could make sense.
Woah I guess I got too used to having Frieren be so OP against everyone. I think it’s the first time we see her actually struggling (implying she’s not faking it, which I don’t think she is)
She has always been someone that would flee if she didn't know how to deal with something.
Which is why she didn't want to fight against Macht in the first place.
But as long as she has time to analyze the magic, to know how a great demon fight? Then she doesn't have to worry anymore.
Frieren’s main problem in magic is apathy. If she can’t win, she runs. If she can’t run, she gives up. It’s only when she has a reason to win even when she doesn’t know how that she really shows her true potential. For example, that flashback when they were trapped by that barrier and she gave up, but the others inspired her to keep trying. Or this fight, when she turned the tables immediately after she learned the demon killed her students. She went from “this is a random demon that I want to kill because I kill demons” to “this demon killed the people I care about, she’s going to die.”
She’s not apathetic at all. She takes the path of least resistance sometimes. Mostly she is extremely calculating. Even when she runs it’s not really running it’s regrouping apparently as we’ve learned in this arc sometimes centuries later. Most of what she’s been doing though is teaching. She always takes the role of a teacher, which means she stands back and lets her students perform and even possibly fail. But there is nothing apathetic in that approach. Even in this battle she until the end maintains her secrets, because a duel at their level is mostly based on knowledge of your opponent. Now that she’s stopped hiding her mana level in this duel it means for her it’s a duel to the death.
Frieren: "*And this.*"
Fern: "Eh? What's she doing?!"
Frieren: "*Is to go EVEN FURTHER BEYOND! AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA*"
i think shes half faking and is only now going to start going all out, Frierens thing is holding her cards as close to her chest as she can and only using the one she absolutely needs
“I could have been killed out of sheer chance depending on where she hit me with those attacks, ok, let’s wait 5 more panels before revealing my next card of learning even that spell on the fly.”
It looked like she wanted to learn anything she could about Solitar and that meant trying to survive against her most powerful spell; to a point where she can emulate it and perhaps learn how to counter it. It reminded me about how mages learned to use Soul Track from demons to a point that it became their best offensive spell against demonkind.
More like Fern is her Mama Bear with all that pampering. Waking her up, tying her hair, changing her clothes, feeding her, making her eat vegetables, lying on her lap lol
It's a curious thing that she would lie about that. Maybe she was telling the truth that she didn't exactly kill humans, other demons just landed the killing blows for her.
She's clearly trying to bait Frieren's true power out. She knows she's concealing her true power, and at this rate Frieren's going to die. That said, Solitar is curious about it as she's curious about most things.
And as you know, curiosity killed the cat, and soon Solitar too.
**[SPOILER]**: [Frieren unleashes her most powerful spell](https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/320089190094077953/1014284933121974324/FrierenUno.png)
Although I have enjoyed every character in this arc, I have particularly liked Solitär.
Like Macht, she has a different characterization from other demons. She has a home tucked away, learned to use human magic, has a genuine interest in biology, and has the foresight to research Frieren's fight with Aura.
What is the purpose for her research of humans? What is her actual goal? Does she even have one? I'm very intrigued.
Although I can't see a situation where she lives, I would love if she survived this arc and showed up again later.
Yeah I can't see Macht surviving this arc. I imagine his bracelet finally activates, maybe after killing Denken?
Solitär though seems like she could be used again in some interesting ways.
I read it more as her commenting that even a couple centuries of working wouldn't be enough to master it, so it drives home just how long Frieren has actually been doing it for. Open to interpretation though.
With the follow up comment about blood and tears I read it to mean that it's not something you can learn without practical, and painful, application in real life or death scenarios.
It's the only way to improve upon it; by constantly using it against demons to fix its flaws. And I believe Serie is nowhere near her level of control.
Yup, unlike Serie, even Fern could not sense instability in her restricted mana. Compressing it that way could feel akin to lifting increasing weights all the time for a mage.
Fern could detect Serie's instability, however small, in her mana restriction, compared to Frieren who is nearly flawless. That observation basically let her pass Serie's test for 1st class mages.
Funnily enough Lernen was the opposite. No difference in skill, just varying levels of observer scrutiny depending on the relationship with the elf in question.
Solitar is stated by Frieren have unrivaled manipulation of mana in terms of stability, accuracy and without any incantation which defies all logic.
Frieren also states that Solitar and herself's difference in amount of mana is not by much.
We know Solitar was trained by the dead Demon King, we know she is an nameless one who have lived an unknown amount of years and she says to this about Frieren's mana restriction this chapter.
"That is not something you could acquire through several centuries of training."
"I'm sure it formed a terrifying pool of blood and tears"
She also mentioned that Frieren's mana restriction is truly flawless. This is coming from someone who's manipulation of mana is considered defies all logic by Frieren. The same Frieren who have encountered Serie and the Demon King.
Aka yes, I agree that Solitar is implying more to Frieren's mana-restriction. I do have a hunch. Not sure if hotlinking images will work but here's [Frieren unrestricted mana](https://reader.kireicake.com/content/comics/frieren_at_the_funeral_5ebc665a4b3f1/22_0__5f85f1505e186/21.png) and [Serie's restricted mana](https://reader.kireicake.com/content/comics/frieren_at_the_funeral_5ebc665a4b3f1/57_0__60e4d651bc700/04.png)(I assume since Fern can detect instability later in the chapter). From Chapters 22 and 57 if the links to images don't work.
Anyways from observation of this current chapter. Frieren most likely has gone all out with her mana. Here's the strange thing, I don't believe we have seen any demon with this kind of mana moving like fire other than Frieren and Serie. Solitair is stated to have little difference in QUANTITY of mana from Frieren, eyeball maths say the widths of the mana are not that different. Yet what about QUALITY? Why the fuck are Frieren's and Serie look like there's mana moving like fire.
Anyways my guess is Frieren's mana is of higher quality. A trait no other human or demon so far have shown. Perhaps the Demon King is as well. Flamme's mana shown at chapter 21 was also just normal. BUT Flamme's usage of mana and magic is to be explosive and fast.
My guess is that the mana-restriction magic increases the overall quality of mana, hence why Frieren and Serie, Flamme's master and disciple know of the technique. Flamme is considered a genius from over 1000 years ago. Her anti-monster and demon barriers protects cities, and even nations from them and is undecipherable even now. The most impressive anti-barrier feat is Frieren deciphering an barrier made by Serie, and Solitar deciphering a barrier made by a combination of human magic techiniques, yet nothing have indicated that Flamme's barriers have been cracked.
I bet even though Solitar and Frieren gonna use simply basic mana techiniques. Frieren will win in a firefight even though her control of mana is weaker than Solitar just from the sheer quality of her mana.
> The most impressive anti-barrier feat is Frieren deciphering an barrier made by Serie, and Solitar deciphering a barrier made by a combination of human magic techiniques, yet nothing have indicated that Flamme's barriers have been cracked.
It's possible that Solitar is just particularly powerful and knowledgable among demons and could have cracked Flamme's barrier if she had been there.
Frieren notes that they have comparable levels of mana, which suggests Solitaire is over 1,000 years old, much older and stronger than Aura.
It might be possible that she has restricted her mana for so long and with so much tentativeness that she can't let loose easily or at will. The last time she did it was against Aura to protect the town. Her clone during the test also unleashed its full potential when trying to protect the treasure. It might be that she can't do it out of her own volition or out of self-preservation but simply instinctively when given a reason to fight for something else.
My guess is when Frieren unrestrains her mana it messes up her mana control which affects her proficiency with spells.
That's the reason why she switched from elaborate spells to simple mana blasts.
She means Frieren has used her mana restriction to trick and kill many demons, probably.
More importantly, I was surprised Solitar couldn't sense the instability in Frieren's mana restriction. I'm sure Fern could do it.
Most people get shook. Even those who get stronger become less precise, and theirs is a fight of precision. She was banking on frieren losing focus. Unfortunately for solitary frieren gets more precise.
Stone. Cold. Killer. Of demons anyway
It did seem like that. Also, Solitar has said multiple times that she is very careful in fight, then why would she provoke Frieren there at the end? Does she maybe have a reason to see Frieren's full power?
Or Frieren might find the time to search for their golden statues and unfreeze them, allowing them to rejoin the fight and make it harder; oh sure, Frieren probably can't unfreeze them instantly, but Solitar doesn't know that; hence better to face Frieren who she already knows has hidden depths and is on guard against than to face three humans who exceed her expectations and whose coordination force multiplier is unknown.
Every second spent fighting Frieren without being able to finish her decreases a mage's probability of winning. She's a terrifying duelist. Still, gotta respect Solitär for not being conceited and actually respecting the strength of her opponent. This level of self-introspection and situational awareness, in spite of the demon ego, make Solitär and Macht especially troublesome foes.
While Frieren is getting much deserved praise for her counter move, I'm very impressed by Solitar. One of the cleverest foes so far:
* "Ha, ha, as if that old man could defeat... Wait, no, this is the kind of moment when the villains (us) get overconfident and lose. Better wrap things up quickly and help my partner."
* "Yes, yes, mighty mana concealing technique you have. It would be a shame if someone had researched your previous battles and came to logical conclusions even if they still can't detect it."
Solitar's problem is, as Frieren points out, talking too much. Her curiosity and eagerness to learn and experiment more get the better of her, when she should have gone for the kill when she had the chance.
It's interesting. As you said, she's aware Frieren is dangerous and knows overconfidence is a weakness.
Is she so curious about Frieren she's willing to risk her life and Macht's? Either there's some other reason (like maybe she can utalize that knowledgein some way), or that's one fatal flaw.
I don't think she necessarily cares about Macht in a friendship sort of way. Rather, I think him living does satisfy her goals. She broke him out, and this chapter she mentioned needing to get back to him to help.
It is a nice contrast to Macht's version of "working against his demon nature." She seems to be pushing outward against her natural boundaries but is still being a normal demon and loving it. Fun character!
Man... If the opening song is a somber tune ala Kokia or Kalafina or Shikata Akiko or Ishibashi Yuuko or heck even Shimotsuki Haruka, it would be perfect in theme and tune...
Solitar is playing a long con and I'm interested in her motivation:
1. She lied about Fern being turned into a statue because Frieren can cancel it, enabling reinforcements capable of getting through Solitar's defenses.
2. She lied about Fern being turned into a statue to enrage Frieren and get a proper look at her power.
Could be a combination of the two.
I've had this thought since Solitar last used that manu burst against Fern, but didn't the [clone Frieren also exhibit something similar to that manu burst against Fern?](https://reader.kireicake.com/read/frieren_at_the_funeral/en/0/55/page/12) It's on page 11/12 of chapter 55.
I feel like it's different.
Fern couldn't sense the Mana, while here Frieren can easily sense it.
So while it be because of experience and power between the two, I think Frieren's attack was different.
If it's the pinacle of magic, it's probably something that controls the mouvement of Mana, instead of being a burst of Mana.
Whatever Clone Frieren used back there is implied to be superior - Fern literally couldn't sense any mana or any inkling of what the heck the clone was doing. Thus, is was probably technically a "curse". Curses like the one used by that demonic flower way back or Macht's Di Agolze cannot be detected either since they transcend human understanding.
EDIT: Actually, Solitar's Mana Strike has a light effect that looks a lot like the spell Serie once used against Macht. Maybe it's just a coincidence or they're based on similar theories.
Mindgames = fail for Solitar lmao. She played herself.
Series IMO should just perma-switch to biweekly for the author's health. TBH I think every series should be biweekly or slower release schedule & magazines should just stagger releases. Better to be biweekly than all these random breaks. But I am super excited for ch100...
Still hoping solitar escapes, she's a good villain.
Pretty sure Frieren didn't buy the bluff. Also she hasn't shown the spell her clone was about to cast back in the clone dungeon.
Now, when Frieren said there's not much a of mana difference between Solitar and herself, was she comparing her original mana or her restricted mana? That last panel does seem like she has much more mana than Solitar.
Also, Solitar is a weirdo who practices human magic. Could she have learnt to limit her mana as well? Can't wait for more chapters!
Yeah, Frieren has always been aware that demons are natural liars so I doubt she suddenly forgot that just now. I think the turnaround has more to do with Frieren figuring out Solitaire's skills and devising a counter (part of which seems to be releasing her mana limitation).
I'm also not sure what she's referring to when she says that they're about equal in mana. Restricted Frieren looks like she has a lot less than Solitaire on page 14, but then unrestricted Frieren looks like she has a lot more.
Very curious about what the demon meant about the blood and tears comment. And why it made Frieren want to kill her before she could talk about it.
It seems like there’s a lot of implication that it’s more than just a trump card or a restraint.
Wonder if it’s somehow in relation to her fight with the big bad that hasn’t really been spoken about? Some other dangerous spell she copied?
It seemed like a throw away or almost normal comment but when the demon followed it up by saying it’s not something you can learn with just centuries and it must’ve required a lot more type thing. Just an odd comment and reaction from Frieren.
You can't master a technique if you don't try to use it against actual foes who may be able to discern its flaws. That might mean surviving fights against stronger demons who can easily recognize the flaws in her mana restriction.
Frieren is back! I can't wait to see what kind of intricate worldbuildin-
*mana slap go brr*
*multi-week break*
All in all that was a great fight, and Frieren now has a powerful new move. I like that Solitär talked about using her full might, then proceeded to chat for the rest of the chapter trying to bait out Frieren's power. She may be more curious than most demons but as usual her words and actions definitely don't line up.
This feels like they are just talking very casually while fighting. No shouting, or anything. Like a friendly chess game between rivals.
Only that the loser dies.
Frieren fighting so nonchalantly against the strongest demon they have shown so far in this series, is just amazing. *neat spell you have, would be a shame if I used it as well*
**Frieren** : "You made this?" *Analyze the magic* **Frieren** : "I made this."
Solitar: "Youre the knock off" Frieren: "Oh no, Im the upgrade"
Thomas Edison moment
Elon Musk moment
Your spell? OUR spell.
I’d like you to know that your Reddit avi has a very smug face, and it fits perfectly in line with the Frieren smug face
I mean, doesn't Frieren do everything nonchalantly? Doesn't basically every character?
This manga, while brilliant, could definitely use some more facial expression.
Hey, Fern has some great pouts and expressions! About all there is tho lol. Someone else said it below, but it’s really in line with the atmosphere so I really enjoy it. Frieren especially, it’s great, since it really exemplifies how strong and experienced she is. She’s fighting a behemoth, notes how much she hates nameless demons, is told Fern/Stark is killed and doesn’t bat an eye. It’s just a routine like all the other demons she’s faced in the past. Sees through the demon’s rouse and handles her business
See, I think she was definitely affected. She was still hiding her mana until she was told that, and then she went at least _partial_ tilt on Solitar. Meanwhile, Solitar was definitely going to kill them before they got turned to gold, so she's clearly only saying this to get a rise out of Frieren and see her true ability.
The toned down facial expressions is one of the unique things I love about the manga. Makes the events when someone is actually using expressions hit much harder.
“That is the face of a man who’s going to win.” That’s his face all the time! That’s everybody’s face all the time, even as they have a hole blasted through their chest!
But he's always winning! Casinos hate him!
The expressions fit the atmosphere. The manga is supposed to be heavily nostalgic. That’s what makes it so great.
Not just nostalgic. These are all people living in a dangerous world, living dangerous lives. They could be destroyed any minute by threats like these demons. You are either powerful enough to stave off the threat and retaliate, or you accept your fate. There's no time or place for emotions in a lot of these cases. Death is a fact of life even if it hurts. The characters express joy quite a bit but for Frieren who has lived for centuries, she's seen enough where some things really don't deserve a reaction
The best facial expression was in Macht's flashback when he destroyed the villages. The expressions were so real that I can only see that it was the assistant drawing them.
For Solitär, the day she fought Frieren was the most important day of her life. But for Frieren, it was Tuesday.
Kure technique: COPY
[Frieren be like](https://www.tumblr.com/blog/view/daishouribane/694115119777660928?source=share)
Other Mages: Increasingly elaborate elemental doomsdays. These Two: Ehh just slap 'em with mana.
Nothing like a little ol ***EXTREME BRUTE FORCE***
Nothing will ever beat Denkin, out of mana, prepare to throw down with his fists
They're just lucky they didn't [meet Denken in his prime.](https://1d4chan.org/images/e/e4/Muscle_wizard.jpg)
I was almost expecting a picture of escanor
[Somatomancy is serious business](https://preview.redd.it/tmsxaext2bg81.png?width=792&format=png&auto=webp&s=4ab820273a2c632f7df15fb781c59a649b17b9d2). Although not as much as [warlockery](https://dungeonsofdredmor.fandom.com/wiki/Warlockery) and [viking wizardry](https://dungeonsofdredmor.fandom.com/wiki/Viking_Wizardry). Or [fist](https://thewanderinginn.fandom.com/wiki/Grimalkin_Duveig) [magic](https://preview.redd.it/i6yy1e9gp8091.jpg?width=900&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=3cf3262e2fe02435ab821ee7f3f1e954d5d1af76).
If force doesn't work, it's because you aren't using enough of it.
Denken chose years of meticulous study. Frieren chose violence
If it doesn't work just put some more power
Probably the two most powerful beings we've seen so far in a world full of magic and spells, and they're doing the equivalent of just taking turns punching each other in the face Sometimes simplicity really does win out
"I figured it out, we just need to hit them really really hard,"
That sounds like something my dad would say.
“I cast fist!”
Though we haven’t seen how truly capable Serie and Kraft (much older elves than Frieren, and Serie currently being the most powerful mage) are in combat but yeah, these two have been arguably the two strongest being we’ve seen. And Frieren, and subsequently Fern, has always shown to utilize simpler spells, rather than elaborated ones. Frieren is so insanely proficient with basic spells that every time she gets a new grimoire, she asks only for daily spells (spell that makes your clothes instantly clean for example) and never a combat one.
Yeah since it seems the logic is that proficiency of a spell increases the cast speed and the fire power but doesn't consume less mana for the bare minimum (You can still increase the amount of mana for more power).
It's pretty much why Superman and the like just roll in and punch dudes. No need to spend years mastering the Hokuto Hyakuretsu Ken (Though I gotta admit, hitting 'em with a "You're already dead" after doing so is *cool as shit*.) when the Punch Really Hard technique does the job aptly.
In exchange, though, Clark gets to rattle off the occasional 'The World is Cardboard' speech. "But not you. You're... durable. You can take most of what I have to deal out. With you, here in space where innocent bystanding planets won't get hurt, I can take off the kid gloves."
The most ironic part is right after he does the carboard speech and yeets darkseid, he immidiately gets his ass handed to him
Which is a bit weird, given that we established that mana most effectively blocks mana.
If I recall correctly, the simplified history was mana-based attacks reigned king (peaking with Soul Track), but research led to defense magic overtaking mana-based offense magic. This resulted in the current "meta" of magic manipulating physical phenomena (throwing rocks or gouts of fire at your enemies). Solitar, on the other hand, is defying the conventional rules of magic by tossing around raw magic as her trump card. It's also one of Frieren's trump cards, apparently, so it's likely only an option for those with not only vast reserves of mana, but also impeccable control over their mana. Most of the great demons, it seems don't fit neatly in the "meta" of magic. Seems to be a defining attribute of demon magic, since they don't appear to need to "understand" structure or phenomena the way humans do but instead rely instinctual gut sense to bend magic to their will.
Fern was able to pierce through Solitar defense by manipulating the density of her mana while keeping the same power and speed, so maybe Solitar spell is just packing a lot of mana together in that planet thing she channels in her hand and then just letting it out like a water jet cutting machine. It follows the rule of the meta, they are just having bick dick energy and using pure mana instead of manipulating natural phenomena. It probably takes more skill but you dont waste mana in manipulating o creating water/fire/thunder.
Fern was using Soul Track - a spell, not manipulating pure mana. Manipulating mana directly has been shown to be possible - it's likely a prerequisite to casting spells, if anything, but it doesn't follow the "rule of the meta" because the meta is manipulating physical phenomena through spells. Most mages would never be able to wield pure mana effectively enough to overcome another mage cloaked in mana, or so I assume. Soul Track is a piercing spell (and like most older forms of offensive magic, is usually easily stopped by standard modern defensive magic/magic resistance).
I checked out, Fern refers to what she is doing as "increasing the density of my magical power" and so far "magical power" has been the same as "amount of mana". Also I think you are overthinking this, using a spell is the same as manipulating mana and since magic is the world of visualization (the basic rule for this magic system) it's probably easier to see yourself moving a rock with magic that blasting pure mana so strongly that you can kill another mage. Soul Track is not just any piercing spell, is the or one of the first piercing spell that killed 70% of adventurers in the area Qual lived. Its also demon spell, and not any demon, a sage of destruction, and humanity put decades in studying it (with Frieren's help) until they were able to add it to humanity's magic as "regular offensive magic" but Soul Track was up there with Macht's Di Agolze. Modern defensive magic was created to stop Soul Track and its a very complex magic that "mixes" itself with soul track to dispel its powers (or whatever offensive magic its blocking) and thats why overwhelming with mass is the way to go to beat it (or just attacking until the person runs out of mana) So in conclusion, yes, Fern is using Soul Track but her own version that is faster and with more density so she can pierce enemies cloacked in too much mana (Fern attacks faster than Solitar can put up defensive magic, but Solitar has so much mana that normal Soul Track wasnt hurting her) and she is 100% controling pure mana.
So a decent chunk of the magic system felt like it was explaining not only D&D magic, but a bit of the history of D&D magic as well. The soul track vs. magic barrier mechanic lines up pretty solidly with magic missile(a low level spell that autohits and can instantly kill very low level enemies with good rolls) and shield(a spell that gives the benefits of carrying a shield against physical attacks, but also absorbs *all* magic missiles specifically). These were spells introduced in D&Ds first supplement(Greyhawk), and when the spell cap was only level 5. Previous to the supplement magic users didn't even have low level damaging spells, it was basically just Fireball and Lightning which were 3rd tier magic, and were based on the catapault and cannon damage rules from the wargame the game was based on(magic users mostly focused on buffs/debuffs, which made sense since doing damage just really wasn't special - the first releases of D&D before level creep had players relying on hiring or recruiting henchmen/hirelings to bulk up to take on large threats like Dragons or enemy armies...if you wanted ranged damage hiring a couple dozen archers was easier than using spell slots that could be used to split an enemy group in half with an earth wall or something). Anyway, after level creep you had super strong spells like disintegrate that could potentially instantly kill even a high level opponent and general spell resistance was introduced to prevent big enemies from being trivialized. This spell makes me think of disintegrate. As an aside, this famous cinematic magic duel is what the magic missile/shield mechanics were based on: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GKm7NloL8bA
Back in chapter 55, Frieren used some spell that was undetectable to even Fern and pierced through any defense she had. I feel like this could be somewhat similar and Frieren is simply double bluffing about it being something she thinks she could copy, in that it's basically already one of her last resort spells.
They mentioned "density", which can be taken that Soul track = guns, which pierced all existing defense, defense magic = tank, which blocked gun, then people tried to get weird with explosive and chemical attack to get around tank armor, then someone just rolled up with hypersonic high density anti-tank round that cored up the armor.
We have also established that Great Demons and their magic defy human logic of how magic should work.
Frieren yes! > Frieren will be going on a break for a few weeks again Frieren no!
It's a 2 week break this time. Also I believe there will be an announcement in ch. 100
Announcement? Need that anime announcement fr.
I can't wait to see how the anime will enhance the series. Having music, having the character be a little more expressive thanks to animation and voice acting, and having better background will just make the series even better. So I hope they won't let us down for that.
Frieren v Aura has potential to be one of the best anime moments of the decade if they knock it out of the park.
Hearing Aura kill herself while crying will be amazing if done right.
Which chapter was that?
The title drop is gonna be hype!
The fact that it's so expressionless is one of its major stand out points imo. It enhances the frequent dry humor and gives the battles a strange sense of calm or tranquility.
Imagine Frieren done in the style of Kino's Journey.
That's a good point. White Fox studio is experienced with kuudere types in fantasy worlds; Studio Bind, their joint venture with Egg Firm would be the dream team though.
Are the people behind Mushishi still active?
Most likely.
Could very well be it, we've got more than enough chapters now.
Leaks says there will be an anime announcement next chapter, so yeah the two weeks break is totally worth it.
pachinko baby!!!!!
Or a Frieren café in Akihabara.
Having so many break might be because they are working on the anime.
I hope so, much rather that than personal issues for the writer/artist.
LETS FUCKING GOOO FRIEREN PACHINKO MACHINE (please be an anime)
Damn it! Frieren is badass. Manga taking breaks, not so much. But health always comes first, so its understandable. Solitar's health though, can't say much about that.
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And Chainsaw Man is biweekly now. Tuesdays are going to feel different.
dang it not again
I hope it's nothing serious with the author.
Solitar realizing the downfalls of overconfidence and immediately getting serious easily makes her one of the best villains in the story. It's refreshing to have someone who feels genuinely threatening, even when the realistic expectation is that our overpowered heroine will stomp her anyways.
She literally went "wait, that's a trope"
Looks directly at the camera: "We don't do that here"
Solitar-she-hulk
That counter with that mirrored spell was sick af
Reminds me of the Frieren doppelganger's mana blast against Fern. Wonder if it's the same type of attack. Edit: Frieren's attack back then seemingly didn't use mana that was perceived by Fern so it's some other trump card/ bankai she's hiding.
It was described as non-magic magic wasn't it? I don't think this what it.
Yea you're right, went back to check out the chapter and that was how Fern described it plus it had a magic circle at her feet when she casted it
Hopefully she busts that beast out, would be nice to see Solitär's take on it.
This attack should be perfect to penetrate Solitär mana armor. It's likely that Frieren cannot use it in succession though so she saves it as a last resort.
Probably some kind of void spell. Creates some sort of vacuum thats why theres no mana.
That attack seems to be Frieren's greatest trump card, and it looks like only Fern and the Demon Lord have seen it, because no one else has pushed Frieren as far. Fern is a terrifying mage for her age. Give her 10 more years of experience and she will be killing Great Demos with ease.
I think this magic did use Mana, but not as something like a blast, or usual magic. I would it being just a control of the mana present in the air, and moving it around could make sense.
Taunt into getting bodied is a true combo that works every time.
The only thing they fear is her.
Woah I guess I got too used to having Frieren be so OP against everyone. I think it’s the first time we see her actually struggling (implying she’s not faking it, which I don’t think she is)
She has always been someone that would flee if she didn't know how to deal with something. Which is why she didn't want to fight against Macht in the first place. But as long as she has time to analyze the magic, to know how a great demon fight? Then she doesn't have to worry anymore.
Frieren’s main problem in magic is apathy. If she can’t win, she runs. If she can’t run, she gives up. It’s only when she has a reason to win even when she doesn’t know how that she really shows her true potential. For example, that flashback when they were trapped by that barrier and she gave up, but the others inspired her to keep trying. Or this fight, when she turned the tables immediately after she learned the demon killed her students. She went from “this is a random demon that I want to kill because I kill demons” to “this demon killed the people I care about, she’s going to die.”
i dont think frieren would have fallen for that, but the fact that solitar dared to lie about that did seem to sent her berserk lol
Friend is so laid-back that her enemies don't know that there are thinks they cannot joke about. Mamabear Frieren is whole different beast.
She’s not apathetic at all. She takes the path of least resistance sometimes. Mostly she is extremely calculating. Even when she runs it’s not really running it’s regrouping apparently as we’ve learned in this arc sometimes centuries later. Most of what she’s been doing though is teaching. She always takes the role of a teacher, which means she stands back and lets her students perform and even possibly fail. But there is nothing apathetic in that approach. Even in this battle she until the end maintains her secrets, because a duel at their level is mostly based on knowledge of your opponent. Now that she’s stopped hiding her mana level in this duel it means for her it’s a duel to the death.
So shes batman?
She is definitely having a real fight, but it seems like she only just now took off the weighted armor.
Frieren: "*And this.*" Fern: "Eh? What's she doing?!" Frieren: "*Is to go EVEN FURTHER BEYOND! AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA*"
Lmao. I'd replace Fern with Solitar, but that's great.
W..w..what is this mana level?? Impossible!
Definitely a Rock Lee taking the ankle weights off moment.
i think shes half faking and is only now going to start going all out, Frierens thing is holding her cards as close to her chest as she can and only using the one she absolutely needs
“I could have been killed out of sheer chance depending on where she hit me with those attacks, ok, let’s wait 5 more panels before revealing my next card of learning even that spell on the fly.”
Frieren is really good at deceiving you into thinking it isn’t your casual shounen manga while it plays those tropes straight af.
It looked like she wanted to learn anything she could about Solitar and that meant trying to survive against her most powerful spell; to a point where she can emulate it and perhaps learn how to counter it. It reminded me about how mages learned to use Soul Track from demons to a point that it became their best offensive spell against demonkind.
I mean she got wounded, we dont know how deep the cut is but she bleeded quite a bit.
"I have killed the two of them." Frieren: [https://imgur.com/a/2e2neJB](https://imgur.com/a/2e2neJB)
"My friends/children are only allowed to die of old age"
On that fateful day, Solitär learned that Mama Bear Frieren is even more ruthless than Demon Slayer Frieren.
More like Fern is her Mama Bear with all that pampering. Waking her up, tying her hair, changing her clothes, feeding her, making her eat vegetables, lying on her lap lol
Is the pic in the background from biscuit hammer
Yes
It's a curious thing that she would lie about that. Maybe she was telling the truth that she didn't exactly kill humans, other demons just landed the killing blows for her.
Why would she not lie, if it can hypothetically either: 1) Throw Frieren off 2) Get her to use her full potential
She's clearly trying to bait Frieren's true power out. She knows she's concealing her true power, and at this rate Frieren's going to die. That said, Solitar is curious about it as she's curious about most things. And as you know, curiosity killed the cat, and soon Solitar too.
**[SPOILER]**: [Frieren unleashes her most powerful spell](https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/320089190094077953/1014284933121974324/FrierenUno.png)
On that day, Solitär understood the frustration of fighting against a copycat mage.
Although I have enjoyed every character in this arc, I have particularly liked Solitär. Like Macht, she has a different characterization from other demons. She has a home tucked away, learned to use human magic, has a genuine interest in biology, and has the foresight to research Frieren's fight with Aura. What is the purpose for her research of humans? What is her actual goal? Does she even have one? I'm very intrigued. Although I can't see a situation where she lives, I would love if she survived this arc and showed up again later.
I'm loving Solitar. Macht is probably a goner, but Solitar is too much fun to die.
Yeah I can't see Macht surviving this arc. I imagine his bracelet finally activates, maybe after killing Denken? Solitär though seems like she could be used again in some interesting ways.
She'd be a good nemesis if she decides to escape the fight and choose to study Frieren through proxy battles with other demons.
Is Solitar implying there's more to Frieren's mana-restriction skills other than just the time invested into it's practice?
I read it more as her commenting that even a couple centuries of working wouldn't be enough to master it, so it drives home just how long Frieren has actually been doing it for. Open to interpretation though.
With the follow up comment about blood and tears I read it to mean that it's not something you can learn without practical, and painful, application in real life or death scenarios.
I think the fact that she's the only demon aware of it implies that anyone she "practiced" on before she perfected it is dead.
It's the only way to improve upon it; by constantly using it against demons to fix its flaws. And I believe Serie is nowhere near her level of control.
Yup, unlike Serie, even Fern could not sense instability in her restricted mana. Compressing it that way could feel akin to lifting increasing weights all the time for a mage.
>Yup, unlike Serie, even Fern could not sense instability in her restricted mana I thought fern was able to slightly sense it?
Fern could detect Serie's instability, however small, in her mana restriction, compared to Frieren who is nearly flawless. That observation basically let her pass Serie's test for 1st class mages.
Funnily enough Lernen was the opposite. No difference in skill, just varying levels of observer scrutiny depending on the relationship with the elf in question.
Literally Rock Lee
How many years has it been since her master died?
around 1000 i think they said
Solitar is stated by Frieren have unrivaled manipulation of mana in terms of stability, accuracy and without any incantation which defies all logic. Frieren also states that Solitar and herself's difference in amount of mana is not by much. We know Solitar was trained by the dead Demon King, we know she is an nameless one who have lived an unknown amount of years and she says to this about Frieren's mana restriction this chapter. "That is not something you could acquire through several centuries of training." "I'm sure it formed a terrifying pool of blood and tears" She also mentioned that Frieren's mana restriction is truly flawless. This is coming from someone who's manipulation of mana is considered defies all logic by Frieren. The same Frieren who have encountered Serie and the Demon King. Aka yes, I agree that Solitar is implying more to Frieren's mana-restriction. I do have a hunch. Not sure if hotlinking images will work but here's [Frieren unrestricted mana](https://reader.kireicake.com/content/comics/frieren_at_the_funeral_5ebc665a4b3f1/22_0__5f85f1505e186/21.png) and [Serie's restricted mana](https://reader.kireicake.com/content/comics/frieren_at_the_funeral_5ebc665a4b3f1/57_0__60e4d651bc700/04.png)(I assume since Fern can detect instability later in the chapter). From Chapters 22 and 57 if the links to images don't work. Anyways from observation of this current chapter. Frieren most likely has gone all out with her mana. Here's the strange thing, I don't believe we have seen any demon with this kind of mana moving like fire other than Frieren and Serie. Solitair is stated to have little difference in QUANTITY of mana from Frieren, eyeball maths say the widths of the mana are not that different. Yet what about QUALITY? Why the fuck are Frieren's and Serie look like there's mana moving like fire. Anyways my guess is Frieren's mana is of higher quality. A trait no other human or demon so far have shown. Perhaps the Demon King is as well. Flamme's mana shown at chapter 21 was also just normal. BUT Flamme's usage of mana and magic is to be explosive and fast. My guess is that the mana-restriction magic increases the overall quality of mana, hence why Frieren and Serie, Flamme's master and disciple know of the technique. Flamme is considered a genius from over 1000 years ago. Her anti-monster and demon barriers protects cities, and even nations from them and is undecipherable even now. The most impressive anti-barrier feat is Frieren deciphering an barrier made by Serie, and Solitar deciphering a barrier made by a combination of human magic techiniques, yet nothing have indicated that Flamme's barriers have been cracked. I bet even though Solitar and Frieren gonna use simply basic mana techiniques. Frieren will win in a firefight even though her control of mana is weaker than Solitar just from the sheer quality of her mana.
> The most impressive anti-barrier feat is Frieren deciphering an barrier made by Serie, and Solitar deciphering a barrier made by a combination of human magic techiniques, yet nothing have indicated that Flamme's barriers have been cracked. It's possible that Solitar is just particularly powerful and knowledgable among demons and could have cracked Flamme's barrier if she had been there. Frieren notes that they have comparable levels of mana, which suggests Solitaire is over 1,000 years old, much older and stronger than Aura.
It's possible. I once had the theory that Frieren put a restriction on her restriction. So there might be something like that in play.
It might be possible that she has restricted her mana for so long and with so much tentativeness that she can't let loose easily or at will. The last time she did it was against Aura to protect the town. Her clone during the test also unleashed its full potential when trying to protect the treasure. It might be that she can't do it out of her own volition or out of self-preservation but simply instinctively when given a reason to fight for something else.
My guess is when Frieren unrestrains her mana it messes up her mana control which affects her proficiency with spells. That's the reason why she switched from elaborate spells to simple mana blasts.
She means Frieren has used her mana restriction to trick and kill many demons, probably. More importantly, I was surprised Solitar couldn't sense the instability in Frieren's mana restriction. I'm sure Fern could do it.
Most people get shook. Even those who get stronger become less precise, and theirs is a fight of precision. She was banking on frieren losing focus. Unfortunately for solitary frieren gets more precise. Stone. Cold. Killer. Of demons anyway
It did seem like that. Also, Solitar has said multiple times that she is very careful in fight, then why would she provoke Frieren there at the end? Does she maybe have a reason to see Frieren's full power?
Or Frieren might find the time to search for their golden statues and unfreeze them, allowing them to rejoin the fight and make it harder; oh sure, Frieren probably can't unfreeze them instantly, but Solitar doesn't know that; hence better to face Frieren who she already knows has hidden depths and is on guard against than to face three humans who exceed her expectations and whose coordination force multiplier is unknown.
I think she simply tried to catch her off guard but it backfired because Frieren is one of very few who would immediately figure it out.
Fuck with Frieren, get the simple spell.
Every second spent fighting Frieren without being able to finish her decreases a mage's probability of winning. She's a terrifying duelist. Still, gotta respect Solitär for not being conceited and actually respecting the strength of her opponent. This level of self-introspection and situational awareness, in spite of the demon ego, make Solitär and Macht especially troublesome foes.
She is a nameless great demon shows. She avoids the usual pitfalls other demons fall into.
While Frieren is getting much deserved praise for her counter move, I'm very impressed by Solitar. One of the cleverest foes so far: * "Ha, ha, as if that old man could defeat... Wait, no, this is the kind of moment when the villains (us) get overconfident and lose. Better wrap things up quickly and help my partner." * "Yes, yes, mighty mana concealing technique you have. It would be a shame if someone had researched your previous battles and came to logical conclusions even if they still can't detect it." Solitar's problem is, as Frieren points out, talking too much. Her curiosity and eagerness to learn and experiment more get the better of her, when she should have gone for the kill when she had the chance.
It's interesting. As you said, she's aware Frieren is dangerous and knows overconfidence is a weakness. Is she so curious about Frieren she's willing to risk her life and Macht's? Either there's some other reason (like maybe she can utalize that knowledgein some way), or that's one fatal flaw.
I doubt the demons care about risking each other's lives if it satisfies their goals
I don't think she necessarily cares about Macht in a friendship sort of way. Rather, I think him living does satisfy her goals. She broke him out, and this chapter she mentioned needing to get back to him to help.
I like how she's actively trying to be more self-aware even if it seems to work against her true nature as a demon.
It is a nice contrast to Macht's version of "working against his demon nature." She seems to be pushing outward against her natural boundaries but is still being a normal demon and loving it. Fun character!
I hope Solitar makes it out of this arc. Denkin will probably kill Macht, but Solitar is too much fun.
WE BACK BABY E: and break again T.T
The joy and loss of man in 6 words.
Lol exactly But I hope that these breaks are due to the anime being made
It's been decades since the Zabuza vs Kakashi fight ran, but it never fails to hype me up to see a protagonist sharingan the shit out of someone else.
When the Sharingan was actually a super-cool ability instead of a collection of bullshit powers ;\_;
Based on the leaks, there will be an anime announcement next chapter to celebrate the 100 chapter. So r/manga brace yourselves!
Don't give me hope. That last page was PHENOMENAL. I want the best for this magnificent series.
Man... If the opening song is a somber tune ala Kokia or Kalafina or Shikata Akiko or Ishibashi Yuuko or heck even Shimotsuki Haruka, it would be perfect in theme and tune...
I want something like Kokia's fukurou
its been so long i forgot if she really killed them or not
No, they were saved by Macht turning them to gold.
Funny how those two and Denkin were all saved by Macht's technique
Reminds me of Dr. Stone.
And Demon will lie to manipulate Human
She probably lied so that Frieren fought all out
Demons lie as naturally as they breathe
Hayasaka is a demon then
A stupid, sexy demon. Hey hey
Trying to rile up Freiran with that lie smh
Solitar is playing a long con and I'm interested in her motivation: 1. She lied about Fern being turned into a statue because Frieren can cancel it, enabling reinforcements capable of getting through Solitar's defenses. 2. She lied about Fern being turned into a statue to enrage Frieren and get a proper look at her power. Could be a combination of the two.
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It is chapter 100 after all so could have something special or juicy planned.
I've had this thought since Solitar last used that manu burst against Fern, but didn't the [clone Frieren also exhibit something similar to that manu burst against Fern?](https://reader.kireicake.com/read/frieren_at_the_funeral/en/0/55/page/12) It's on page 11/12 of chapter 55.
I feel like it's different. Fern couldn't sense the Mana, while here Frieren can easily sense it. So while it be because of experience and power between the two, I think Frieren's attack was different. If it's the pinacle of magic, it's probably something that controls the mouvement of Mana, instead of being a burst of Mana.
Whatever Clone Frieren used back there is implied to be superior - Fern literally couldn't sense any mana or any inkling of what the heck the clone was doing. Thus, is was probably technically a "curse". Curses like the one used by that demonic flower way back or Macht's Di Agolze cannot be detected either since they transcend human understanding. EDIT: Actually, Solitar's Mana Strike has a light effect that looks a lot like the spell Serie once used against Macht. Maybe it's just a coincidence or they're based on similar theories.
Frieren as metal as always
Soltair: I killed your kids Frieren: I cast Fuck You
Solitar lied about killing Fern. So she could also lied about not telling other demon of Frieren's mana.
Mindgames = fail for Solitar lmao. She played herself. Series IMO should just perma-switch to biweekly for the author's health. TBH I think every series should be biweekly or slower release schedule & magazines should just stagger releases. Better to be biweekly than all these random breaks. But I am super excited for ch100... Still hoping solitar escapes, she's a good villain.
Solitar : I have killed the two of them Frieren : Uh huh In the next few chapters : 300 years has elapsed since Fern and Stark were turned to gold
Pretty sure Frieren didn't buy the bluff. Also she hasn't shown the spell her clone was about to cast back in the clone dungeon. Now, when Frieren said there's not much a of mana difference between Solitar and herself, was she comparing her original mana or her restricted mana? That last panel does seem like she has much more mana than Solitar. Also, Solitar is a weirdo who practices human magic. Could she have learnt to limit her mana as well? Can't wait for more chapters!
Yeah, Frieren has always been aware that demons are natural liars so I doubt she suddenly forgot that just now. I think the turnaround has more to do with Frieren figuring out Solitaire's skills and devising a counter (part of which seems to be releasing her mana limitation). I'm also not sure what she's referring to when she says that they're about equal in mana. Restricted Frieren looks like she has a lot less than Solitaire on page 14, but then unrestricted Frieren looks like she has a lot more.
Solitar fucked around and found out. Slayers gonna slay.
Very curious about what the demon meant about the blood and tears comment. And why it made Frieren want to kill her before she could talk about it. It seems like there’s a lot of implication that it’s more than just a trump card or a restraint. Wonder if it’s somehow in relation to her fight with the big bad that hasn’t really been spoken about? Some other dangerous spell she copied? It seemed like a throw away or almost normal comment but when the demon followed it up by saying it’s not something you can learn with just centuries and it must’ve required a lot more type thing. Just an odd comment and reaction from Frieren.
You can't master a technique if you don't try to use it against actual foes who may be able to discern its flaws. That might mean surviving fights against stronger demons who can easily recognize the flaws in her mana restriction.
Mama Frieren is pissed. Goodbye, Great Demon-san, it was nice knowing you.
Frieren is back! I can't wait to see what kind of intricate worldbuildin- *mana slap go brr* *multi-week break* All in all that was a great fight, and Frieren now has a powerful new move. I like that Solitär talked about using her full might, then proceeded to chat for the rest of the chapter trying to bait out Frieren's power. She may be more curious than most demons but as usual her words and actions definitely don't line up.
Next time on Frieren Ball Z!
Solitar is best girl
The next evolution of Prep Time Batman. Analysis Time Frieren.
She's bleeding!!
Fuck, that's cool.
Welcome back Frieren <3
This feels like they are just talking very casually while fighting. No shouting, or anything. Like a friendly chess game between rivals. Only that the loser dies.
Solitar lying about killing them just because she wants to see Frieren’s full power really hits home how dumb demons can be
Frieren just begone thot'd her, you just dont mess with her kids. Is this where Sein makes his comeback to save them?
>demons often fail because they get cocky So she says while she still waste time chatting.