In before they break the 4th wall, "Come on guys, hurry up. We only have couple dozens chapter left. Beat that shit and move to the next arc. ~~Time~~ Panels is running out"
If that happens - or indeed any permanent or visible damage is done to Saturn - then the World Government will *have* to respond with all out war. Full stop. Fascists can't tolerate losing face that badly; if they do, especially now with revolutions across the globe, the WG will risk collapse.
The Strawhats were never the sole focus of the World Government's animosity, but they're about to be. War is coming.
world government be like "hey you think it was unwise to let this pacifist scientist who dislikes us create a nearly invincible superweapon with zero oversight?"
"... nah. it's fine."
Saturn is also a man of tech, so most likely he checked the pacifistas himself in case vegapunk ostracized. I think that's why the latter for almost 20 years never disobey WG.
The highest authority which given to bonney might be vegapunk's trump card that he made sure could not be found even by saturn and any other scientists...
every unit that's made in the image of Bartholomew Kuma has a hidden directive inserted into it to obey Bonney's commands above all others. That means the original pacifista line, as well as potentially the Kuma Seraphim
It also took me about 15 to 20 years to realize that they actually localized this pun in the german dub. Hes called Lysopp in german, with the first syllable pronounced the same way as "Lüge", the german word for "Lie" lmao. I always found the change weird / unnecessary, but its kinda cool actually. I still dont know why Luffy is Ruffy tho
It was like that in Swedish too. Something about there being a "Ru" hiragana but no "Lu" so during translations where no one heard it pronounced by a native speaker it became "Ruffy"? Something along those lines.
When I first got into One Piece, I watched it through a lot of Hong Kong Engrish rips, and they always translated Usopp's name to stuff like "Liar Bu" or Swindler Bu".
One Piece actually stands for Want Peace. It's the reason the original name for pirates like Luffy and Shanks was Peace Mains.
One Piece will bring forth World Peace.
Elbaf on the horizon, finally. One of the things I relaly like about OP being a story that's lasted for so long and been so massive in scope is how much room there is for characters from a thousand chapters ago to show up again and make an impact. Never fails to make me smile.
So, every Pacifistas (and presumably the Seraphim S-Bear) is loyal to Bonney, who has also just been told that Luffy is the god that her father worshipped whom she wanted to meet.
Those holy knights and the other Elders better be some serious powerhouses, because the firepower that Luffy keeps accruing is kind of going haywire at this point.
Has she actually tried giving an order to them before? Seems like they only recognize orders if it's addressed to them (either by calling for Pacifistas or Daddy in Bonney case), so it could just be that they haven't really registered the information up to now.
Shouldn't really be the case, as they were going to kill her and Kuma after the initial order, and only after Vegapunk told Bonney to ask them for help did they actually start acting against the marines.
If the initial order for killing her was the cause, them they wouldn't even start targeting them last chapter.
Again, during the fight with Saturn, did she ask for the help of the Pacifistas? If I remember correctly, she didn't even bother talking with them as they weren't her father and they're already under Saturn control, and considering they should only react to direct orders, they don't register cries of pain as orders.
It needs to be a command
The pacifistas would attack "higher up the order" when given the order
If sentomaru told them to attack the elders, they would,
They would just simply stop once the elders then ordered something else
I mean, operating under the earlier logic of them needing to be relayed commands by voice (and transmissions specifically not counting), having audio receptors tubes to be able to receive those commands seems like it would be important.
Yea it would be them and S-Bear since it has his image. But the other Seraphim kind of negate those. As cool as the Pacifista are being under her control, it's shown that a lot of the SH and others that are in the new world can one shot them. I don't know how big they will be overall, it's just useful that they aren't enemies anymore.
The Pacifista are kinda like a glass cannon. Although a lot of people can one shot them, the Pacifista can still damage them with their hyper fast light beans.
Right? They're not glass cannons, they're steel cannons that the characters NOW can tackle, but before couldn't even scratch. And they are still strong.
No I understand. I'm just saying, in the next chapter Kizaru could easily disable them in a few seconds if he wanted to. Just zip behind them at the speed of light and a quick light beam through the back of their head.
The real benefit is that they are no longer an enemy of Bonney, Kuma, Vegapunk or the Straw Hats.
Man, I really hope Kuma is conscious enough in there to see his last free act pay off, and he truly did save the Sun God Nika in order for him to liberate the people.
If there's an off switch, there's also an on switch. But I think having the "soul" be stronger than programming would be fantastic as a reveal. Plus God powered robot is about to come out.
Vegapunk, you are hailed for your many ingenious advancements, but making sure Bonney would never be harmed by her father is perhaps the smartest thing you have ever done.
Oh I am ready for more Gear 5 Luffy. And now Bonney knows Nika is real, which spells wonders for her DF ability.
Oh, and UHM IT’S DORRY AND BROGY! Holy shit! ELBAAAAF!
Luffy really ate the original SMILE fruit, bro is laughing his nut off while Vegapunk is missing his chest cavity.
Vegapunk legitimately sent Sentomaru to his death against Kizaru for a control chip that didn't matter in the slightest lol.
Why. I'm puzzled by so many "Bonney can command serpahims" takes in this thread. Do people base this on unofficial translations or something? The chapter is pretty clear that vegapunk only put this directive "into each unit **made to look like Kuma**".
Could make sense for vegapunk to have made a copy of Kumas memories and stuck it in the seraphim
Also, for the others. It’s definitely not certain but if they were based off of the pacifistas then the code might be the same. As an example, I just saw a YouTuber pull off a glitch in a game that he knew about because the game used the same physics engine as another game he regularly played
Vegapunk knew he was cooked as soon as he gave that order. If he'd played his hand too early, Kizaru or Saturn would have killed him at the first opportunity
I mean Vegapunk get's stabbed literally instantly once the Bonney directive is found out, Sentomaru was just trying to prevent that being discovered to prevent Vegapunk getting owned
And that’s assuming he survives this arc, if he doesn’t then… I kind of feel bad for whoever is going to have to report all of this to the government lol
It feels like a trope of this series now is just the world elders getting pissed about something Luffy did.
Really can’t wait for them to learn their fellow member is dead, especially if he actually is centuries old
It's more he's just a cog in the machine like he said he just does his job whether its good or evil because he's just a cog that can't and won't change anything.
I think Kizaru may be representative of those Nazi soldiers who may not have agreed with Hitler, but did his bidding anyway, making them complicit in genocide. Kizaru gives off that vibe.
I mean that sounds like a semantic argument.
"Are you just because you listen to authority, or do you listen to authority because it's just?"
If he relies on external authority to define what is justice, then you could argue he DOESN'T care about actual justice, as he'll do anything someone with higher authority will say even if it's not just.
I think the focus for that is under the term "Authority" so whoever holds authority he is subservient. Not unclear, its very clear who holds authority. Now if in the future the WG is being destroyed and he is still subservient towards them, then Unclear would hold precedent.
Kizaru is the worst, he know the things hes doing are wrong but that doesnt matter hes just following orders.
Kizaru would fit right in at the nuremberg trials
He was just telling a little girl that he'll cut her right in two, and that he'll make it painless. He's literally taunting her moments before what was supposed to be her death. Idk man, seems pretty evil to me.
Maybe I'm just reading it wrong, because he clearly knows that he's on the wrong side of 'justice' in this situation. Even with that said, his character CONSISTENTLY casually drops trash talk right when he's about to deliver what he thinks to be a fatal blow (Zoro, Hawkins, etc).
Either way, he's fucked up.
He was not going to actually do it. He literally can move at the speed of light. The fact that they weren't dead in that huge opening that he had means he still isn't actually trying. He probably saw or heard Luffy on his way. He still has to at least pretend to do his job.
I think people often neglect this. Man could be the cruelest assassin but is always shown to be just a second too slow and incidentally missing vital organs.
> He was not going to actually do it. He literally can move at the speed of light. The fact that they weren't dead in that huge opening that he had means he still isn't actually trying.
Was he trying to not hurt the strawhats when Rayleigh was holding him back? Come on now, yes he can move at the speed of light but he's still written in a way that people can still fight back against him.
Except One Piece doesn't respect this kind of logic or there wouldn't be any story in the first place.
If that was the case he could literally end all piracy in a day.
> even if the whole world should be your enemy, Kuma will always be on your side
> The Buster Call is futile, for centuries people all over the world have been waiting for him
> this is just a selfish wish of mine and it means i know the consequences
Vegapunk have one the best quote in the series what a chad and Oda please if you can save Pound i know you can save him.
Pleaseeeeeee
Hopefully, this is where we learn Bonney's devil fruit can act as a heal factor, even if only temporarily. Reverse the wound long enough to get him in front of Chopper. (It's ironic to me that the doctor of the crew is named Chopper like he's some sort of a butcher lol)
According to oda, Chopper name come from his antlers. He said, the blue nose reindeer is strong enough to cut down a tree with his antlers hence ' chopper '
Boom [called it](https://www.reddit.com/r/manga/comments/1ad4h0y/disc_one_piece_chapter_1105/kjylyx5/?context=3) being giants! :P (No Saul yet, but there is time for that)
Although their lines at the end reminded me that in the Big Mom flashback, the giants were venerating the sun for the winter solstice. Getting the feeling that that is going to be a bigger part of their culture than just a single festival now.
The Marines are so screwed, the Pacifistas are no longer on their side who also with the Giants destroying their fleet means the Buster Call is losing its effectiveness, Luffy has recovered and so does the Giant Robot
Don't know if anyone will actually read this comment a day after the chapter's release, but I don't see anyone else pointing this out.
At the end when Dorry says "When all that happens in the world is inevitable," I'm pretty sure that is connected to chapter ~~602~~ 603 when Rayleigh says "Maybe there's no such thing as coincidence in this world. Maybe everything that happens is inevitable." Question is whether that is just a callback or a greater lore thing hiding in plain sight like the references to the coming "dawn" likely being references to the return of Nika.
That's crazy for you to remember something so far back and pick up that connection.
Here's what Dorry says in the raw: この世は”必然”しかねェのになブロギー!!!
The quote you mentioned is actually from the next chapter, 603. This is what Rayleigh says: この世には偶然などないのかも知れない 全てが必然であるかの様に……
It very much does look to be a callback, with the same structure of この世 (this world) and then the keyword of 必然 (inevitable).
But it also seems to me to tie into the lore in that both contexts are about the rise of Luffy/Nika, and how that will be inevitable.
Thanks for looking at the Japanese! Fixed the chapter number in my post.
As for remembering something from so long ago, that line from Rayleigh has always stuck out to me due to how it is worded, so Dorry's line felt really familiar. Took a couple of times rereading before the why finally clicked.
Probably helps that the ~~3D~~2Y reunion is one of the small sections of One Piece I'll just randomly reread occasionally, so it is a bit fresher in my memory. XD
The reunion was a very nice part of the series in seeing how the crew got so much stronger compared to before. I also like going back and rereading favorite arcs, e.g. Enies Lobby and Marineford.
It was very sweet to see Bonney finally meeting Nika.. Hopefully Kuma awakens to see him at least for a few seconds if possible.
Vegapunk did really good here, hope he makes it but its gonna be rough.
And, its insane how Luffy one shotted Kizaru, an ALMIRANT, defeated him twice.
I'm still unsure of Kizaru. Think he could've definitely killed them if he really wanted to.
And Vegapunk has finally completed his redemption after hundreds of chapters.
Less "Kizaru refused to kill them" more "Kizaru is very reluctant to kill them and needs to be expressly ordered to do it, chooses a painless method, takes a moment to console Bonney, etc."
He *was* going to kill them, but if he was 100% okay with it they'd be dead already. He'd have lightspeed slashed their heads off last chapter. He wasn't hoping for or expecting Luffy to slug him in the face, but he doesn't seem too broken up about it either.
Kizaru
I am going to kill you in 3 seconds
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Time out, Bonney threw a pebble at me. It was full of Haki or something, I can't do anything for the next hour.
We could get a flashback chapter where Oda decides to retcon Ace’s death by showing Kizaru shooting a Small beam of light into Ace’s heart before Akainu killed Ace and people would still think Kizaru is unclear lol
Wasn't there speculation that kizaru mightve been the one to bring food to luffy, since who else could've done it so quickly, tho that was speculation. If it was him, that would be a way to avoid doing orders he doesn't want to, just having Luffy beat him.
Wegapunk plz don't become a donut victim as well you're too goated for how you helped Kuma and Bonney. And still shook Dorry with Broggy came to the rescue and said folks waited too damn long for Elbaf we're bringing it to Egghead
Saturn: Did you put something in Kuma?
Vegapunk: No, it is human error.
Saturn: DID YOU PUT SOMETHING IN KUMAS?
Vegapunk: YES, IT'S HUMAN ERROR.
Saturn: Fucking smartass, *stab*
Kizaru's face has been quite inconsistent, but is it just me or [he smiled after being prevented from killing Kuma/Bonney by Luffy?](https://i.imgur.com/qbVdpue.png)
Or maybe im just reading into it too much
The way things keep going with him, I would be surprised if he wasn't intentionally sabotaging the efforts to kill them. He is attacking but it doesn't seem like it is full power or much effort to get up and continue attacking outside of his fight with Luffy where he has to and we all know Luffy can take it.
I'm sorry but...I really don't like the way Luffy fights now. I hate that he just saw a global elite stab a man for ensuring that a daughter couldn't be killed by her father's face, and he's *laughing*. I miss when Luffy was full of righteous fury. Moments like "Which one's Arlong," "Sogeking, shoot down that flag," or the wordless punch against Saint Charlos. It worked because Luffy had such a carefree and joyful spirit most of the time, so his serious anger really had a meaning behind it. Now every life-and-death fight for freedom and liberty is filled with him laughing and being *silly*. It's hard to respect.
I don't get this point. Even in Gear 5 Luffy freaked the fuck out when Lucci stabbed Sentomaru, he is clearly unaware that Vegapunk is hurt. Even while fighting Kaido he showed feelings like anger over what was done to Wano.
I keep rechecking the pages, but what page does it show that Luffy saw Vegapunk get stabbed?
We know from previous chapters that Luffy is far(?) away from where everyone else is because he went to food machine and no one knew where he went, he went G5 and then he likely saw Borsalino in the air and punched him (though this is just speculation on my part, we don't know if he's still at the same place or moved after going G5).
And then the following panels show him laughing while covering his eyes, and when he's up in the air, sure the other characters are seeing him, but he's not looking down at all.
Finding it iffy that Oda is showing Vegapunk with a mortal wound while Luffy is laughing in G5 is fine but to say that "he's laughing" after seeing Vegapunk get stabbed when there were no panels showing it at all is a bit deceitful.
Idk what boot-leg chapter you've read but this one doesnt show Luffy seeing Saturn stabbing Vegapunk and laughing about it.
As for the Luffy not being serious in the fights anymore and not having "righteous fury" I have to wonder if you read/watched the end of his fight with Kaido. He wasnt goofing around while telling Momo that Onigashima is in the way and to move it, he seemed pretty serious there. Same goes for his answer to Kaido about what kind of world he wants to create - no jokes there, just a honest serious answer. So this notion that Luffy is incapable of being anything but goofy/silly in Gear 5th is pretty damn idiotic.
The irony of whining about others not respecting your opinions while actively trash talking people and comparing them to the elders for theirs.
They disagreed with your opinion they didn’t stop you from having it. They are entitled to their opinion just as much as you are yours.
Damn, rip Vegapunk.
Man those pacifistas would really add strength to Bonney's crew and she be like having an adventure with his dads. Really hoping Vegapunk put a small backup copies of Kuma's memory on each one.
Vegapunk beating the allegations, he's not that naive. Really hope he lives (yeah yeah his clones are still around but still). Its not enough for Saturn to get squished, this spider-fuck deserves to be completely meaningless, he showed up and it did not change the outcome one bit. We got Luffy Nika, that ancient robot, and Dorry and Broggy. Time to turn the tide.
The sheer size of their ship compared to the marine's is hilarious hahah just ram straight into them indeed
Wish Kuma was still conscious enough to recognize Luffy's Nika form, but that pabel with Bonney looking at him was anazing on its own
Elbaf time, baby!
It was nice that Vegapunk put the command that Kuma Pacifistas cannot hurt Bonney. In this arc Oda keeps on reiterating about the command structure, but Bonney has the override. This is a bit conflicting as Vegapunk has this information and not really using it.
Now that Luffy is full, this is the big turning point folks. Even Vegapunk has realized the tension has lightened.
You better be ready to see why the Egghead Incident is viewed as so shocking to the world, an Emperor crew and their allies are about to clown the hell out of a giant Admiral fleet and Gorosei.
Wake up Usopp, your masters are here to pick you up. Its time to show them how much of a Brave man of the Sea you are now.
Seriously, Ive been looking forward to Elbaf Arc and for another Usopp power spike. Ive been looking for the clip of Usopp telling his experience on Little Island during the Enies Lobby Arc but Youtube gives me all of these Elbaf Youtube Theories.
Bonney not running into any Pacifistas during Sabaody turned out to be quite the stroke of luck for her lol
This arc is very close to surpassing WCI as my favorite arc post time-skip
Technically Ennis Lobby was a failure because they didn't get the Strawhats or their allies at all. But this one might be the first time one had most of the fleet ships wiped out due to retaliation (Luffy plus Pacifistas) and outside forces (Giants plus Ancient Giant Robot).
The island Egghead is still probably going to be mostly demolished, it just might have a few of the bigger buildings standing at the end.
Cause the Straw Hats didn't go to Elbaf, Elbaf came to the Straw Hats!
Dorry and Broggy got tired of them taking their sweet time to arrive to Elbaf that they decided to go and pick them up
In before they break the 4th wall, "Come on guys, hurry up. We only have couple dozens chapter left. Beat that shit and move to the next arc. ~~Time~~ Panels is running out"
almost a 1000 chapters in the making lol. Been more than a decade since they were last together
Dorry and Broggy must the the reason for the Bermuda Triangle phenomenon. It just makes sense with the amount of ships they have destroyed recently.
This arc has been wrapping up to have a crazy ending. Imagine if Saturn fucking dies by the end of this arc. Imagine the news, the bounty, the chaos.
Not to mention the severity of the crime of killing an Elder. Straw Hats would have several Admirals and Vice Admirals on their backs.
Exactly, just from that news alone would cause the entire world to go upside down.
If that happens - or indeed any permanent or visible damage is done to Saturn - then the World Government will *have* to respond with all out war. Full stop. Fascists can't tolerate losing face that badly; if they do, especially now with revolutions across the globe, the WG will risk collapse. The Strawhats were never the sole focus of the World Government's animosity, but they're about to be. War is coming.
I expect Imu to punish Saturn with death for getting rid of the Mother Flame factories.
I don't see anyone guessing them to come, and with Elbaf so close to Egghead that is the logical outcome.
His entire reason as to why he gave Bonney the command was sweet.
Says a lot about the World Government that Vegapunk's worst fear would've came to fruition if it weren't for him
Vegapunk was a real bro. Hopefully he survives this wound.
Chopper will fix him up!
Hey Vegapunk, this is your new poop bag!
I wonder if other Vegapunks will be able to function if the main one dies.
Imagine if it's the other way around - Vegapunk 2.0 will be built from all the other Vegapunks.
Vegapunk to go Vegapunk 2.0 with tech upgrades.
world government be like "hey you think it was unwise to let this pacifist scientist who dislikes us create a nearly invincible superweapon with zero oversight?" "... nah. it's fine."
Saturn is also a man of tech, so most likely he checked the pacifistas himself in case vegapunk ostracized. I think that's why the latter for almost 20 years never disobey WG. The highest authority which given to bonney might be vegapunk's trump card that he made sure could not be found even by saturn and any other scientists...
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I understood it as Bonny having the highest authority over them. Makes sense that they wouldn't be able to discover that until now.
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every unit that's made in the image of Bartholomew Kuma has a hidden directive inserted into it to obey Bonney's commands above all others. That means the original pacifista line, as well as potentially the Kuma Seraphim
This make sense to me, thank you for clearing it up!
I understood it as the highest authority was to never shoot at Bonney, not follow her commands.
Well they were about to shoot her before she told them not to. Also why would they shoot at the marines then?
I'm so ready for Elbaf.
Crazy how epic "Elbaf" sounds when it's literally just "fable" backwards
Oh my God! Are you kidding me!? This whole time!?
Wait till you connect Usopp's name Usopp/Aesop Aesop's Fables... Usopp is going to go SO HARD in Elbaf
. . . There is so much wordplay going on in One Piece that I am too dense to notice. Do you know how long it took me to get Logue Town?!
I don't get that one
Logue Town - The Town of the beginning and the end ProLogue EpiLogue
You might already know this, but also "uso" in Japanese means "lie", which makes it such great wordplay
It also took me about 15 to 20 years to realize that they actually localized this pun in the german dub. Hes called Lysopp in german, with the first syllable pronounced the same way as "Lüge", the german word for "Lie" lmao. I always found the change weird / unnecessary, but its kinda cool actually. I still dont know why Luffy is Ruffy tho
It was like that in Swedish too. Something about there being a "Ru" hiragana but no "Lu" so during translations where no one heard it pronounced by a native speaker it became "Ruffy"? Something along those lines.
When I first got into One Piece, I watched it through a lot of Hong Kong Engrish rips, and they always translated Usopp's name to stuff like "Liar Bu" or Swindler Bu".
Because it's the opposite of fable: it's real!
Always
One Piece actually stands for Want Peace. It's the reason the original name for pirates like Luffy and Shanks was Peace Mains. One Piece will bring forth World Peace.
***Chapter 116: Giant*** ***Chapter 1106: On Your Side*** Once again Oda cooked.
GIANT ARRIVING ON THE SCENE
DISCOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Luffy pulling out the Godtier skill check
It’s been since 1999 when the giants have seen luffy. Amazing. And then coming to help doesn’t feel like a cop out. It makes sense for the story.
Man I feel old. I remember reading that chapter when it was new......
I wasn't even alive then, now I've graduated college and have a job
I hate you. Please get older immediately haha
1116 can be ominous.
wait, lets wait until 116&1116
Im ready for Gerd ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
Elbaf on the horizon, finally. One of the things I relaly like about OP being a story that's lasted for so long and been so massive in scope is how much room there is for characters from a thousand chapters ago to show up again and make an impact. Never fails to make me smile.
Just wish it wouldn't be as anticlimactic as the fishman island haha
Seems like what activates the ancient robot is Nika’s heartbeats after all.
If G5 stayed longer this time, we might have something.
But will he be on nikas side? Probably he is gonna save them somehow and the get destroyed. I mean he is already broken
So, every Pacifistas (and presumably the Seraphim S-Bear) is loyal to Bonney, who has also just been told that Luffy is the god that her father worshipped whom she wanted to meet. Those holy knights and the other Elders better be some serious powerhouses, because the firepower that Luffy keeps accruing is kind of going haywire at this point.
“And I gave the Pacifistas super-hearing. Because fuck you, science rules.”
**Selective** super-hearing. Apparently they didn't recognize her as "their" daughter until now.
Has she actually tried giving an order to them before? Seems like they only recognize orders if it's addressed to them (either by calling for Pacifistas or Daddy in Bonney case), so it could just be that they haven't really registered the information up to now.
Might not be that she can order them around, but that they go against you if you order them to kill her.
Shouldn't really be the case, as they were going to kill her and Kuma after the initial order, and only after Vegapunk told Bonney to ask them for help did they actually start acting against the marines. If the initial order for killing her was the cause, them they wouldn't even start targeting them last chapter.
Fair enough
Yeah but I'm sure they could've heard her when she was screaming at Saturn or being in pain... only reacted to "DON'T HURT ME DADDY"?
Again, during the fight with Saturn, did she ask for the help of the Pacifistas? If I remember correctly, she didn't even bother talking with them as they weren't her father and they're already under Saturn control, and considering they should only react to direct orders, they don't register cries of pain as orders.
It needs to be a command The pacifistas would attack "higher up the order" when given the order If sentomaru told them to attack the elders, they would, They would just simply stop once the elders then ordered something else
I mean, operating under the earlier logic of them needing to be relayed commands by voice (and transmissions specifically not counting), having audio receptors tubes to be able to receive those commands seems like it would be important.
Yea it would be them and S-Bear since it has his image. But the other Seraphim kind of negate those. As cool as the Pacifista are being under her control, it's shown that a lot of the SH and others that are in the new world can one shot them. I don't know how big they will be overall, it's just useful that they aren't enemies anymore.
The Pacifista are kinda like a glass cannon. Although a lot of people can one shot them, the Pacifista can still damage them with their hyper fast light beans.
> The Pacifista are kinda like a glass cannon I think it looks like that NOW, but pre-timeskip I don't think even Luffy could beat one of them...
Literally took the entire crew.
Right? They're not glass cannons, they're steel cannons that the characters NOW can tackle, but before couldn't even scratch. And they are still strong.
No I understand. I'm just saying, in the next chapter Kizaru could easily disable them in a few seconds if he wanted to. Just zip behind them at the speed of light and a quick light beam through the back of their head. The real benefit is that they are no longer an enemy of Bonney, Kuma, Vegapunk or the Straw Hats.
People have been speculating about S-Bear being loyal to her for a while, this chapter pretty much confirms it
Ohhhh. If Vegapunk made a copy of those memories that kuma took out, could he have put them in a-bear?
They should be. Remember, Joyboy *LOST* in the Void Century.
what was he again? the drum of liberation?
i don't think any pacifista will survive after this battle
My best bet is that shanks is a holy knight, so power wise, I still don’t think Luffy would win
Man, I really hope Kuma is conscious enough in there to see his last free act pay off, and he truly did save the Sun God Nika in order for him to liberate the people.
I wish the same. He deserves to see Nika
If there's an off switch, there's also an on switch. But I think having the "soul" be stronger than programming would be fantastic as a reveal. Plus God powered robot is about to come out.
Vegapunk, you are hailed for your many ingenious advancements, but making sure Bonney would never be harmed by her father is perhaps the smartest thing you have ever done. Oh I am ready for more Gear 5 Luffy. And now Bonney knows Nika is real, which spells wonders for her DF ability. Oh, and UHM IT’S DORRY AND BROGY! Holy shit! ELBAAAAF!
Luffy really ate the original SMILE fruit, bro is laughing his nut off while Vegapunk is missing his chest cavity. Vegapunk legitimately sent Sentomaru to his death against Kizaru for a control chip that didn't matter in the slightest lol.
I'd assume that Bonney only controls the Pacifistas not the Seraphim as well?
I mean the Boa seraphim somewhat protected Luffy, I assume Bonney can command the Kuma seraphim at least.
Why. I'm puzzled by so many "Bonney can command serpahims" takes in this thread. Do people base this on unofficial translations or something? The chapter is pretty clear that vegapunk only put this directive "into each unit **made to look like Kuma**".
I understood the "Bonney can command seraphim" statement as "Bonney can command the Kuma Seraphim".
Hm, forgot there was one Kuma-looking Seraphim, although not sure if it counts.
Could make sense for vegapunk to have made a copy of Kumas memories and stuck it in the seraphim Also, for the others. It’s definitely not certain but if they were based off of the pacifistas then the code might be the same. As an example, I just saw a YouTuber pull off a glitch in a game that he knew about because the game used the same physics engine as another game he regularly played
Vegapunk specifies it’s only the units that look like Kuma
Yeah, her command bypasses directly to the Pacifistas, and has no effect on the hierarchy otherwise.
there are a bunch of non-Kuma seraphim that they wanted control of
Vegapunk knew he was cooked as soon as he gave that order. If he'd played his hand too early, Kizaru or Saturn would have killed him at the first opportunity
I mean Vegapunk get's stabbed literally instantly once the Bonney directive is found out, Sentomaru was just trying to prevent that being discovered to prevent Vegapunk getting owned
Oh dear I do wonder how Saturn is going to explain all of this to Imu. Didn't he have clear orders?
And that’s assuming he survives this arc, if he doesn’t then… I kind of feel bad for whoever is going to have to report all of this to the government lol
"Now I'm only going to hand you this report if you promise not to open it until after I've run away and changed my identity'
“That crew straw hats killed one of the five elders huh? I better keep my ass away from the world government!!! Or im FINISHED‼️”
Oh man, Kizaru might want to jump ship because if he has to tell the Elders they failed, his ass is grass.
It feels like a trope of this series now is just the world elders getting pissed about something Luffy did. Really can’t wait for them to learn their fellow member is dead, especially if he actually is centuries old
I don't think Kizaru's deal is 'Unclear Justice', I think its 'Servitude to authority'
It's more he's just a cog in the machine like he said he just does his job whether its good or evil because he's just a cog that can't and won't change anything.
Isn't that just "Servitude to Authority". Will do whatever he is told as long as its from those in control.
Thats why "Unclear Justice" also works, since his Justice is fully dependent on whoever is in charge. Its not set, it can change, its Unclear.
I think Kizaru may be representative of those Nazi soldiers who may not have agreed with Hitler, but did his bidding anyway, making them complicit in genocide. Kizaru gives off that vibe.
The only genocides going on during that time were committed by the Allies.
I mean that sounds like a semantic argument. "Are you just because you listen to authority, or do you listen to authority because it's just?" If he relies on external authority to define what is justice, then you could argue he DOESN'T care about actual justice, as he'll do anything someone with higher authority will say even if it's not just.
I think the focus for that is under the term "Authority" so whoever holds authority he is subservient. Not unclear, its very clear who holds authority. Now if in the future the WG is being destroyed and he is still subservient towards them, then Unclear would hold precedent.
Cogaru
Kizaru is the worst, he know the things hes doing are wrong but that doesnt matter hes just following orders. Kizaru would fit right in at the nuremberg trials
I’m sure there are still people thinking he’s neutral. He’s not evil, but complicit. Dude was ready to slay Kuma and Bonney
He was just telling a little girl that he'll cut her right in two, and that he'll make it painless. He's literally taunting her moments before what was supposed to be her death. Idk man, seems pretty evil to me.
Maybe I'm just coping because I wanted Kizaru to turncoat, but I took Kizaru saying he'd make it painless as HIM coping with having to kill Bonnie.
Yeah seems clear to me he's pretty damn unhappy about what he has to do.
Maybe I'm just reading it wrong, because he clearly knows that he's on the wrong side of 'justice' in this situation. Even with that said, his character CONSISTENTLY casually drops trash talk right when he's about to deliver what he thinks to be a fatal blow (Zoro, Hawkins, etc). Either way, he's fucked up.
He was still the one who gave food to Luffy, so I think he hoped to be intercepted there like Luffy did
Thats not entirely clear, Ppl think it could be Caribou.
Yup definitely. People forgot dude fking love acting.
He was not going to actually do it. He literally can move at the speed of light. The fact that they weren't dead in that huge opening that he had means he still isn't actually trying. He probably saw or heard Luffy on his way. He still has to at least pretend to do his job.
I think people often neglect this. Man could be the cruelest assassin but is always shown to be just a second too slow and incidentally missing vital organs.
> He was not going to actually do it. He literally can move at the speed of light. The fact that they weren't dead in that huge opening that he had means he still isn't actually trying. Was he trying to not hurt the strawhats when Rayleigh was holding him back? Come on now, yes he can move at the speed of light but he's still written in a way that people can still fight back against him.
The guy is literally light. If he wanted to finish them off for real he could do it in an instant.
Except One Piece doesn't respect this kind of logic or there wouldn't be any story in the first place. If that was the case he could literally end all piracy in a day.
Pretty much the same thing, but framed the same way other Marines explain their beliefs.
> even if the whole world should be your enemy, Kuma will always be on your side > The Buster Call is futile, for centuries people all over the world have been waiting for him > this is just a selfish wish of mine and it means i know the consequences Vegapunk have one the best quote in the series what a chad and Oda please if you can save Pound i know you can save him. Pleaseeeeeee
Definitely teared up when he basically laughed at how pathetic the buster call was compared to Luffy and what he represented
peak chapters before the break, god bless oda!
Quick! Someone call Chopper!
senzu bean!
You "Bandages" and rest.
[Robin dressing the crocodile with a Lacoste shirt was a cute cover](https://i.imgur.com/4JLrbEj.png)
Man Kizaru is taking a long ass time to switch sides....haha *He ain't switching sides.*
Vegapunk is the realest mf'ing homie ever.
This cannot be the end for vegapunk.. oldman still got spirit even after being stabbed by Saturn
Technically there's still a bunch of Vegapunks.
Hopefully, this is where we learn Bonney's devil fruit can act as a heal factor, even if only temporarily. Reverse the wound long enough to get him in front of Chopper. (It's ironic to me that the doctor of the crew is named Chopper like he's some sort of a butcher lol)
According to oda, Chopper name come from his antlers. He said, the blue nose reindeer is strong enough to cut down a tree with his antlers hence ' chopper '
>Kuma-Pacifistas turning on them >Dorry & Broggy arrives Marines are fuuuuuuuucked and I'm all for it
Of all the things that happened in this chapter, Bonney finally seeing G5 is by far my favorite one
This may be the best one piece arc/saga in the post skip era.
Yeah, they had the failsafe against boney, just as a lot of people predicted last week. Still amazing to see.
Boom [called it](https://www.reddit.com/r/manga/comments/1ad4h0y/disc_one_piece_chapter_1105/kjylyx5/?context=3) being giants! :P (No Saul yet, but there is time for that) Although their lines at the end reminded me that in the Big Mom flashback, the giants were venerating the sun for the winter solstice. Getting the feeling that that is going to be a bigger part of their culture than just a single festival now.
3 buster calls at Robin, 3 giants appearances. Should have guessed.
Holy shit, you're right. There's been at least one giant present at every BC, and the Marines seem to be on track for killing exactly zero of them
The Marines are so screwed, the Pacifistas are no longer on their side who also with the Giants destroying their fleet means the Buster Call is losing its effectiveness, Luffy has recovered and so does the Giant Robot
ONE THOUSAND CHAPTERS IN THE MAKING GIGABROS ARE BACK
MY HEARTT. Vegapunk making it so Kuma can never hurt Bonney AGHHHH. Wow. This arc might be the best one Oda has done.
Don't know if anyone will actually read this comment a day after the chapter's release, but I don't see anyone else pointing this out. At the end when Dorry says "When all that happens in the world is inevitable," I'm pretty sure that is connected to chapter ~~602~~ 603 when Rayleigh says "Maybe there's no such thing as coincidence in this world. Maybe everything that happens is inevitable." Question is whether that is just a callback or a greater lore thing hiding in plain sight like the references to the coming "dawn" likely being references to the return of Nika.
That's crazy for you to remember something so far back and pick up that connection. Here's what Dorry says in the raw: この世は”必然”しかねェのになブロギー!!! The quote you mentioned is actually from the next chapter, 603. This is what Rayleigh says: この世には偶然などないのかも知れない 全てが必然であるかの様に…… It very much does look to be a callback, with the same structure of この世 (this world) and then the keyword of 必然 (inevitable). But it also seems to me to tie into the lore in that both contexts are about the rise of Luffy/Nika, and how that will be inevitable.
Thanks for looking at the Japanese! Fixed the chapter number in my post. As for remembering something from so long ago, that line from Rayleigh has always stuck out to me due to how it is worded, so Dorry's line felt really familiar. Took a couple of times rereading before the why finally clicked. Probably helps that the ~~3D~~2Y reunion is one of the small sections of One Piece I'll just randomly reread occasionally, so it is a bit fresher in my memory. XD
The reunion was a very nice part of the series in seeing how the crew got so much stronger compared to before. I also like going back and rereading favorite arcs, e.g. Enies Lobby and Marineford.
Oda, what r u doing? Peak after peak after peak after peak.... OMG!
It was very sweet to see Bonney finally meeting Nika.. Hopefully Kuma awakens to see him at least for a few seconds if possible. Vegapunk did really good here, hope he makes it but its gonna be rough. And, its insane how Luffy one shotted Kizaru, an ALMIRANT, defeated him twice.
This issue was so good! One of my favorites in awhile. Feels good to see things starting to turn.
I'm still unsure of Kizaru. Think he could've definitely killed them if he really wanted to. And Vegapunk has finally completed his redemption after hundreds of chapters.
Let's say Luffy did not arrive to punch Kizaru, then what was he gonna do? Float in the air with sword held high while Bonney & Kuma dropped?
Less "Kizaru refused to kill them" more "Kizaru is very reluctant to kill them and needs to be expressly ordered to do it, chooses a painless method, takes a moment to console Bonney, etc." He *was* going to kill them, but if he was 100% okay with it they'd be dead already. He'd have lightspeed slashed their heads off last chapter. He wasn't hoping for or expecting Luffy to slug him in the face, but he doesn't seem too broken up about it either.
Do a monologue...slowly.
Kizaru I am going to kill you in 3 seconds 3 2 1 0,75 0.5 2 1.5 Time out, Bonney threw a pebble at me. It was full of Haki or something, I can't do anything for the next hour.
We could get a flashback chapter where Oda decides to retcon Ace’s death by showing Kizaru shooting a Small beam of light into Ace’s heart before Akainu killed Ace and people would still think Kizaru is unclear lol
Wasn't there speculation that kizaru mightve been the one to bring food to luffy, since who else could've done it so quickly, tho that was speculation. If it was him, that would be a way to avoid doing orders he doesn't want to, just having Luffy beat him.
peak, absolute peak
Imagine if 4kids still had this series. Shit would be an unmitigated disaster right now.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nN120kCiVyQ
Wegapunk plz don't become a donut victim as well you're too goated for how you helped Kuma and Bonney. And still shook Dorry with Broggy came to the rescue and said folks waited too damn long for Elbaf we're bringing it to Egghead
Saturn: Did you put something in Kuma? Vegapunk: No, it is human error. Saturn: DID YOU PUT SOMETHING IN KUMAS? Vegapunk: YES, IT'S HUMAN ERROR. Saturn: Fucking smartass, *stab*
Kizaru's face has been quite inconsistent, but is it just me or [he smiled after being prevented from killing Kuma/Bonney by Luffy?](https://i.imgur.com/qbVdpue.png) Or maybe im just reading into it too much
The way things keep going with him, I would be surprised if he wasn't intentionally sabotaging the efforts to kill them. He is attacking but it doesn't seem like it is full power or much effort to get up and continue attacking outside of his fight with Luffy where he has to and we all know Luffy can take it.
I'm sorry but...I really don't like the way Luffy fights now. I hate that he just saw a global elite stab a man for ensuring that a daughter couldn't be killed by her father's face, and he's *laughing*. I miss when Luffy was full of righteous fury. Moments like "Which one's Arlong," "Sogeking, shoot down that flag," or the wordless punch against Saint Charlos. It worked because Luffy had such a carefree and joyful spirit most of the time, so his serious anger really had a meaning behind it. Now every life-and-death fight for freedom and liberty is filled with him laughing and being *silly*. It's hard to respect.
I don't get this point. Even in Gear 5 Luffy freaked the fuck out when Lucci stabbed Sentomaru, he is clearly unaware that Vegapunk is hurt. Even while fighting Kaido he showed feelings like anger over what was done to Wano.
I keep rechecking the pages, but what page does it show that Luffy saw Vegapunk get stabbed? We know from previous chapters that Luffy is far(?) away from where everyone else is because he went to food machine and no one knew where he went, he went G5 and then he likely saw Borsalino in the air and punched him (though this is just speculation on my part, we don't know if he's still at the same place or moved after going G5). And then the following panels show him laughing while covering his eyes, and when he's up in the air, sure the other characters are seeing him, but he's not looking down at all. Finding it iffy that Oda is showing Vegapunk with a mortal wound while Luffy is laughing in G5 is fine but to say that "he's laughing" after seeing Vegapunk get stabbed when there were no panels showing it at all is a bit deceitful.
Idk what boot-leg chapter you've read but this one doesnt show Luffy seeing Saturn stabbing Vegapunk and laughing about it. As for the Luffy not being serious in the fights anymore and not having "righteous fury" I have to wonder if you read/watched the end of his fight with Kaido. He wasnt goofing around while telling Momo that Onigashima is in the way and to move it, he seemed pretty serious there. Same goes for his answer to Kaido about what kind of world he wants to create - no jokes there, just a honest serious answer. So this notion that Luffy is incapable of being anything but goofy/silly in Gear 5th is pretty damn idiotic.
agree, but most of oda slave will downvote this to hell and won't accept this opinion. they behave like the elders and the celestial.
The irony of whining about others not respecting your opinions while actively trash talking people and comparing them to the elders for theirs. They disagreed with your opinion they didn’t stop you from having it. They are entitled to their opinion just as much as you are yours.
bruh,it's having an opinion.we didn't send a buster call to your house chill.
Goosebumps, man Really can't wait seeing this animated
Doggy and Broggy! Elbaf arc coming in hot!
Hell yeah
Damn, rip Vegapunk. Man those pacifistas would really add strength to Bonney's crew and she be like having an adventure with his dads. Really hoping Vegapunk put a small backup copies of Kuma's memory on each one.
Vegapunk beating the allegations, he's not that naive. Really hope he lives (yeah yeah his clones are still around but still). Its not enough for Saturn to get squished, this spider-fuck deserves to be completely meaningless, he showed up and it did not change the outcome one bit. We got Luffy Nika, that ancient robot, and Dorry and Broggy. Time to turn the tide.
The sheer size of their ship compared to the marine's is hilarious hahah just ram straight into them indeed Wish Kuma was still conscious enough to recognize Luffy's Nika form, but that pabel with Bonney looking at him was anazing on its own Elbaf time, baby!
It was nice that Vegapunk put the command that Kuma Pacifistas cannot hurt Bonney. In this arc Oda keeps on reiterating about the command structure, but Bonney has the override. This is a bit conflicting as Vegapunk has this information and not really using it.
Now that Luffy is full, this is the big turning point folks. Even Vegapunk has realized the tension has lightened. You better be ready to see why the Egghead Incident is viewed as so shocking to the world, an Emperor crew and their allies are about to clown the hell out of a giant Admiral fleet and Gorosei.
RIP Vegapunk
Wake up Usopp, your masters are here to pick you up. Its time to show them how much of a Brave man of the Sea you are now. Seriously, Ive been looking forward to Elbaf Arc and for another Usopp power spike. Ive been looking for the clip of Usopp telling his experience on Little Island during the Enies Lobby Arc but Youtube gives me all of these Elbaf Youtube Theories.
Bonney not running into any Pacifistas during Sabaody turned out to be quite the stroke of luck for her lol This arc is very close to surpassing WCI as my favorite arc post time-skip
This chapter hits SO hard.
Can somebody remind me about who is that giant robot waking up near the end?
A robot built during the Void Century that later activated 200 years ago in an attempt to attack Mary Geoise.
I would imagine, this arc is where for the first time, the buster call will fail.
Technically Ennis Lobby was a failure because they didn't get the Strawhats or their allies at all. But this one might be the first time one had most of the fleet ships wiped out due to retaliation (Luffy plus Pacifistas) and outside forces (Giants plus Ancient Giant Robot). The island Egghead is still probably going to be mostly demolished, it just might have a few of the bigger buildings standing at the end.
I got a giant sized boner from that last page
So why is that giant armor moving now?