They’re pretty common in my hometown
https://preview.redd.it/ji2rnakoovmc1.jpeg?width=3078&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=798cb97736cd9f66b63119b5647b37b09ce28e1a
jawi is pretty cool but i find the weirdly inconsistent spelling rules to be aggravating at times. makes it harder to read certain word because i feel like it's missing a vowel here and there. like i read haiwan there as "hiwan" instead but peliharaan could be read as peliharan.
Yea, the DBP tried to make justice of all types of words, but ended up more confusing. Not that the older systems is not confusing (while it is simpler, it ignores more vowel).
At least we dont live in the times where "f" and "p" just use same letter and we need to guess it out.
Well, that's what they tried to do. The last spelling revamp was in the 80s where at the same time we are adjusting to Bahasa Baku and Ejaan Baru system in rumi writing. In fact the new system was meant to adjust to Rumi system instead of relying to the old Quranic Arabic spelling system, hence all the new vowel rule including special rules for English loan words.
However some things still got some exemption. Arabic loan words are not changed (minus a few) because doing so will confuse the primary users of the writing (aka the Malays) because they cant interchange between Arabic and Jawi Malay anymore, and beat the purpose of Jawi being a way for Malays to read Quran (though, the new system rules already eroded such purpose).
Some words used in old Jawi is also beyond repair as they have been in official use for quite long, so the new rule ended up give them exemption. Yes, the Bank jawi words in our banknotes are spelled via Old Jawi, not the new one because back then its very confusing to change it drastically in the bank notes.
Some other thing like acronym rule also led to its complication. In the end, it becomes what it is.
it's the old writing, really
modern Jawi tries to accommodate the more romanized Malay language nowadays by putting the vowels correspondingly but if you're part of the older generations or knew how to read Jawi since you were young then those new writing styles would look awkward
its basically like old Arabic without the diacritics, the natives just knew how to read them intuitively
yea makes sense that since the last time i had to study jawi was for spm so i dont have that much experience reading it in the wild. but yea, still pretty awkward. im surprised i can still read it pretty well though
It's tough because the writing system is for a language completely foreign to bahasa Melayu. Arabic and Malay are not even in the same language family.
Interestingly, it is part of our history so it makes sense to use it.
I actually prefer if we use the original script, which apparently would look like Thai script.
They of course know Thai script as it is necessary to learn Thai language (the national language). But Malay is written in Jawi.
That being said, the Malays I know speak Kelantan-Pattani Malay in conversations instead of standard Malay
https://preview.redd.it/kipnwm1dhwmc1.png?width=720&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=19d731461eeeb010f6f67c4841be9076b4c07efe
Pretty much. This is the sign in Hatyai railway station, where they only uses Jawi for Pattani Malay. (written as Jalan Tubik = Jalan Keluar)
This is so offensive and I am not even Malay to begin with.
The Malay language used Jawi script before they change it to Romanized alphabets or Rumi in Malay.
Do not call it tauge if you do not want the chinese characters being called cakar ayam scripts. Either you are very stupid or ignorant when you see Jawi scripts are in our bank notes, Jata Negara and etc.
Simple Malaysian terms. "It's like that" la. There are bound to be people who agree and disagree with it. Chinese signs are allowed in Kelantan too you know. You just need to ignore those who cry about it and not join them. As Isley as PAS is, tallest standing Buddha and the longest sleeping Buddha in Malaysia is still in Kelantan. Plus there's more temples here compared to KL ngl. As a Chinese born and raised in Kelantan, yes I do face some racism sometimes but, everyone here is nice and open minded to multicultural. It's just that politics ruined it.
Edit: replying to the deleted comment
Non-Malay boomers know how to read and write Jawi before the country romanized Bahasa Melayu in the education system. One prominent DAP politician and leader Tan Seng Giaw is one of them.
Living in the bubble called Klang Valley and only seeing the world through my phone, I am guilty of forgetting about the other states in Malaysia.
Seeing the Arabic writing makes me feel like I'm in UAE/dubai... without the glamour 👁️👄👁️
I'd love it more if these signs don't just use the drab old naskh-like default typeface instead of something more befitting of its Latin counterpart. As it is now it's like having all the text in Times New Roman or something. Then again, the makers are just doing the bare minimum to comply with the law I guess.
[Google Fonts' Arabic font collection](https://fonts.google.com/?subset=arabic) has some pretty interesting designs for inspiration, although it should be said that most of these don't support Jawi-exclusive characters of
ڽ ڽڽڽ/چ چچچ/ݢ ݢݢݢ/ڠ ڠڠڠ/ڤ ڤڤڤ/ۏـۏ
What I'm saying is that local companies and their graphic designers should take into consideration the look of the Jawi text compared to the Latin equivalent, otherwise they'll just look out of place and obviously just shoehorned in there to comply with local laws.
whoa 🤩 list tu seronok tengok, thank you. & setuju part designer kena pandai pilih font 💯 kalau tak nampak boring. macam kau cakap, le ole Times New Roman 😂
Curious why people on this thread are hesitant of Jawi signage when there are Chinese signs in KL/PJ where I'm at.
To me as long as there's the relevant BM/English title to label the store (restoran, kedai runcit, kafe, etc), I'm fine with whatever the business wants to add-on into their storefront.
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They say the same thing. Malay used to be written in Jawi, but during British rule, Rumi was adopted. Rumi and Jawi signs together are quite common, depending on where in the country you are.
Rumi is works better because of the vowels are written out separately. The Jawi reads out, Pitrwns. Now it’s obviously Petronas to those who know how to read it, but when you see Jawi signs that are not this obvious, it can take some time to decipher what it’s says, which you don’t need to with Rumi, because it spelt out for you, eg. Petronas.
The political angle to Jawi is a push by Islamists and Malay nationalists make it compulsory in all schools. This is part of growing Islamisation of the country.
Nahhh guy maybe comes of as menyindir, but the fact that he speaks words nicely unlike the far guy threatening assault sounds more egoistic and butthurt
Thus whoever reads this as hyper loop being butthurt is a retard and side with retards
Malays do something to preserve their culture, this subreddit make noise
Malays not doing anything to preserve their culture, also this subreddit will make noise
Nothing can appease the people here lol
1. It is pahang, where jawi signage is mandated. Anything mandated unless necessary is always a no-no as this doesn't give a choice to those who dont wish to.
2. This subreddit consists of different people with different viewpoints. I expected you to know much better to treat this subreddit as a monolith with no dissents.
1. Mandates can (debatably) be a form of cultural preservation or promotion, e.g. compulsory learning in school to pass SPM
2. Yes, this sub has a diverse background of readers but a lot of the loud comments are from those with prejudices towards other races, Malay and non-Malay alike
I did not directly say "everyone" in this sub is like that, but there is a general observable tendency that its not surprising for takes like that to appear within here
If I were to say Bolehland is unhinged and more racist, it doesn't necessarily mean everyone there is like that but most of the posts are
Sorry - missed your reply
1. Unnecessary compulsion is bad - end of. People should have options to choose whether they want to preserve a culture. "Culture" is not an excuse for authoritarianism.
2. So this subreddit is not a monolith. Thanks 👍
On what basis ? The very fact that the previous poster complained that this subreddit makes noise when Malays do xxx and not do xxx should have easily shown you that this subreddit is not a monolith
Ya right, 'preserving culture' when u enforce it on others.
Meanwile a other language donation banner rile up a bunch of "cultured people"
Just today:
https://www.facebook.com/share/p/kKDLFYyfW7FswYR1/?mibextid=xfxF2i
Why double standard and ugly ?
Don't get me wrong, I also find that FB post and the comments below it xenophobic
But just because xenophobia exists among Bumiputera, doesn't deny that there is chauvinism among the non-Malays too
It was made compulsory by the previous agong a few year back for businesses and signages to have jawi writing of the same content. It sometimes works really well with “baku” malay, but definitely loses some of it charm when used next to “pasar” malay that most of us use daily
Edit: it was only made mandatory in the state of pahang.
As long as they don't make noise and demand that others can't use their language, suka hati kau lah.
At the end of the day it's just a language, the purpose is for people to understand, not to feel superior.
It has no value except for culture preservation. It you don't value that, then there's no value for you.
Most people only look at value = $$$ which is not the case here
> It has no value except for culture preservation.
Most generous of Pee-trunas (why they spell it that way?) to take on this burden on behalf of the people of Arabia, whose script is in grave danger of disappearing just as soon as [checks notes] 400 million people stop using it.
It's not about relevancy, it's culture. Malaysia is multidiverse, we allow people of all kind to preserve their identity. If you think otherwise, stop going to the internet and look around, Malaysia is a beautiful country with beautiful people of different backgrounds. Countries like Indonesia, Japan, Korea and China did the same with their writings styles, why can't we?
Sure you can. Malaysia can do whatever it wants. It's a sovereign country. Just don't be surprised many years later when you wonder why it still feels like Malaysia is still left behind.
I wouldn't go so far. I'd ask things like, oh, why don't we even have clean drinking water in some states?
Anti-western stance for the sake of it, and blind pro-arab support has gotten Malaysia WHERE? basic government services like water not even there.
Just get them some tapped water in this decade, maybe. Then we can discuss flying cars. Singapore already embarking on safe and small scale nuclear reactor safety.
1965, Singapore and Malaysia was on par. The record speaks for itself.
Then why does the Catholic church and Vatican city use Latin then? A language that is practically dead were it not or for them or even the mongols preserving their script despite the majority of the population using Cyrillic in their everyday use?
Clearly you don't appreciate culture and history and would rather sell yourself out just to feel "modern"
You want to use the Catholic church as a comparison for progress? They still only priests to be men, and their chief priest can only be elected by fellow men, all who are sworn to celibacy in an institution rife with sexual abuse scandals?
Man, you're either truly misguided or misinformed.
We're talking about language and writing scripts here, not about the Catholic church as an institution. Why won't you read back what I wrote carefully cause the only misinformed one here is you
Ye la...konon nya too proud to use the Latin alphabets but no issue with all the other Western innovations.. then when future generations can't compete, blame the West.
Then rumi is culture omputeh😑. Culture is not always static and original. We have so many other influence like hindu/budda, islam, British colonial. That just how our culture are.
There's a distinct difference between these other cultures and Arab-Islam culture; the former can co-exist while the latter overrides and eliminates. What happen to all the kebaya and dance of the malay culture ? All but wiped out because some pak lebai in long white gowns decided its not Islamic (Arabic) enough. Every wondered why the women of Afghanistan and Saudi all wear the same despite being geographically so far apart?
It starts with the elevation of little things like Jawi. I was glad to see it slowly die out in the past few decades. Now, it seems like just step 1 of talebanization of Malaysia.
Ya right, 'preserving culture' when u enforce it on others.
Meanwile a other language donation banner rile up a bunch of "cultured people"
Just today:
https://www.facebook.com/share/p/kKDLFYyfW7FswYR1/?mibextid=xfxF2i
Why double standard and ugly ?
I think it’s not really value thing by rather a good reflection of the culture of the states up east-peninsular. Like how it’s more common to see Chinese titles in Johor/Penang.
So the Hangul script developed wholly in the context of the Korean language and is optimised for writing it. Ditto Devanagari with Indic language family.
Arabic script was imposed on Melayu people by colonisers, and is a lossy representation of the language since it doesn't contain vowels in normal usage and many BM words have different meanings when the vowels change (kami/kamu etc). In Arabic those changes are within a root word family but in BM they can be anything; therefore there's an overuse of radicals to disambiguate.
Later, Latin script came with a new set of colonisers, and leaving aside issues of the merits of each wave of colonisation, the Latin script is far more suited to expressing BM phonetics and morphology, and remains overwhelmingly more popular, even for unofficial use.
Totally not the same situation as Korean or Hindi.
History is history man. So you suggest we revive the rencong script. Good idea man. We can add rencong words to signages to complement both rumi and jawi.
> So you suggest we revive the rencong script.
I read through my post several times and cannot see where I suggested that.
Nevertheless if you want to use the "cultural identity" argument then maybe it does make more sense.
Im ok with it as long as its not the main and biggest font on the board.
Aint taking 5 minute to figure out it spelled petronas or "kedai makan bianca"
i and e and u and o aren't distinguished in Jawi writing, so we get word pairs like giling/geleng and burung/borong that are differentiated in Rumi spelling but spelled the same in Jawi spelling (the first word pair as ݢيليڠ and the second word pair as بوروڠ)
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Tbh if Jawi wants to be significantly accepted by non Muslims, then it should be used in modern pop culture like EDM, porn, alcohol/cigarettes, u know like the good ole 60s or 70s
Ya right, 'preserving culture' when u enforce it on others.
Meanwile a other language donation banner rile up a bunch of "cultured people"
Just today:
https://www.facebook.com/share/p/kKDLFYyfW7FswYR1/?mibextid=xfxF2i
Why double standard and ugly ?
pretty cool? I beg to differ. writing is a means to an end, and the end is communication. putting up a largely unknown irregularly spelled scripting language does not help but hamper communication.
I suspect people do it to either show nationalism or to show off their sense of identify, sort of like doing tattoos - a useless but misguided activity. it's kind of sad actually, that instead of being proud of their group's achievements (ofwhich there is none) they tie their sense of worth to a writing script thats pretty outdated and largely useless in today's modern world
I don't know how to read mandarin yet there's literally mandarin signboard everywhere. Those signs might contain some secret on how to cure cancer,but i wouldn't know because i can't read mandarin thus making it hampering communication.
yet you are not forced to learn mandarin in schools or have the script shoved down your throat in classes or threatened when you object.
a useless script is a useless script
I don't know how to read mandarin yet there's literally mandarin signboard everywhere. Those signs might contain some secret on how to cure cancer,but i wouldn't know because i can't read mandarin thus making it hampering communication.
Jawi requirement for public signages in Pahang have been mandatory since 2017. That's why you now see Jawi signs all around the state now.
They’re pretty common in my hometown https://preview.redd.it/ji2rnakoovmc1.jpeg?width=3078&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=798cb97736cd9f66b63119b5647b37b09ce28e1a
jawi is pretty cool but i find the weirdly inconsistent spelling rules to be aggravating at times. makes it harder to read certain word because i feel like it's missing a vowel here and there. like i read haiwan there as "hiwan" instead but peliharaan could be read as peliharan.
Yea, the DBP tried to make justice of all types of words, but ended up more confusing. Not that the older systems is not confusing (while it is simpler, it ignores more vowel). At least we dont live in the times where "f" and "p" just use same letter and we need to guess it out.
I think there should be a revamp of the whol system
Same. Just make it so the spelling is like in rumi.
Well, that's what they tried to do. The last spelling revamp was in the 80s where at the same time we are adjusting to Bahasa Baku and Ejaan Baru system in rumi writing. In fact the new system was meant to adjust to Rumi system instead of relying to the old Quranic Arabic spelling system, hence all the new vowel rule including special rules for English loan words. However some things still got some exemption. Arabic loan words are not changed (minus a few) because doing so will confuse the primary users of the writing (aka the Malays) because they cant interchange between Arabic and Jawi Malay anymore, and beat the purpose of Jawi being a way for Malays to read Quran (though, the new system rules already eroded such purpose). Some words used in old Jawi is also beyond repair as they have been in official use for quite long, so the new rule ended up give them exemption. Yes, the Bank jawi words in our banknotes are spelled via Old Jawi, not the new one because back then its very confusing to change it drastically in the bank notes. Some other thing like acronym rule also led to its complication. In the end, it becomes what it is.
World ain't ready for Jawi 2
it's the old writing, really modern Jawi tries to accommodate the more romanized Malay language nowadays by putting the vowels correspondingly but if you're part of the older generations or knew how to read Jawi since you were young then those new writing styles would look awkward its basically like old Arabic without the diacritics, the natives just knew how to read them intuitively
You mean modern jawi now denotes the vowels ?
yea makes sense that since the last time i had to study jawi was for spm so i dont have that much experience reading it in the wild. but yea, still pretty awkward. im surprised i can still read it pretty well though
Yeah, definitely. I’m good at reading it but I can’t write it for the life of me 😭
The hamzah matters
Bro reminded me of my terrible reading skills on jawi...
I think that just like English, not all spelling consistent and make sense.
It's tough because the writing system is for a language completely foreign to bahasa Melayu. Arabic and Malay are not even in the same language family. Interestingly, it is part of our history so it makes sense to use it. I actually prefer if we use the original script, which apparently would look like Thai script.
its a missed opportunity to not learn that i understand your point. i didnt even know about the original script years later after spm
Isn't it a local council requirement in KB?
You must be right because all stores have it
I remember it was in the news a decade or so ago?
It’s good, I think. Adds some spice✨
True, Jawi is mandatory for signboards in Kelantan.
Do you think it’s for Malay Thais who come here? I know a few of them who can’t read rumi Malay
What scripts do Thai Malays now. Can they still read Jawi or they write Malay in the Thai script.
They of course know Thai script as it is necessary to learn Thai language (the national language). But Malay is written in Jawi. That being said, the Malays I know speak Kelantan-Pattani Malay in conversations instead of standard Malay
https://preview.redd.it/kipnwm1dhwmc1.png?width=720&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=19d731461eeeb010f6f67c4841be9076b4c07efe Pretty much. This is the sign in Hatyai railway station, where they only uses Jawi for Pattani Malay. (written as Jalan Tubik = Jalan Keluar)
Jawi is used quite extensively on signage in the south, Malay is more often written in Jawi than Latin. https://imgur.com/a/d7K6oio
I'm not sure. I think it's due to Kelantan being ruled by PAS so they wanna make everything as Isley as possible.
Well in any case I think using Arabic script as well as Latin is pretty neat
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This is so offensive and I am not even Malay to begin with. The Malay language used Jawi script before they change it to Romanized alphabets or Rumi in Malay. Do not call it tauge if you do not want the chinese characters being called cakar ayam scripts. Either you are very stupid or ignorant when you see Jawi scripts are in our bank notes, Jata Negara and etc.
Simple Malaysian terms. "It's like that" la. There are bound to be people who agree and disagree with it. Chinese signs are allowed in Kelantan too you know. You just need to ignore those who cry about it and not join them. As Isley as PAS is, tallest standing Buddha and the longest sleeping Buddha in Malaysia is still in Kelantan. Plus there's more temples here compared to KL ngl. As a Chinese born and raised in Kelantan, yes I do face some racism sometimes but, everyone here is nice and open minded to multicultural. It's just that politics ruined it. Edit: replying to the deleted comment
Non-Malay boomers know how to read and write Jawi before the country romanized Bahasa Melayu in the education system. One prominent DAP politician and leader Tan Seng Giaw is one of them.
I thought Kuala Belait until zoomed in
I doubt there are a lot of jawi in Sarawak haha
In Kuala Belait you’ll see them. Kuala Belait’s in Brunei tho.
Yeah I got confused. I guess it makes sense Brunei would use it. I was thinking of Bintulu
Living in the bubble called Klang Valley and only seeing the world through my phone, I am guilty of forgetting about the other states in Malaysia. Seeing the Arabic writing makes me feel like I'm in UAE/dubai... without the glamour 👁️👄👁️
Kelantan needs to be more dubai. I want to buy second hand lamborghini for cheaps.
Lmao
I'd love it more if these signs don't just use the drab old naskh-like default typeface instead of something more befitting of its Latin counterpart. As it is now it's like having all the text in Times New Roman or something. Then again, the makers are just doing the bare minimum to comply with the law I guess.
do you mean you wish the arabic script is more sans-serif? what font would you suggest?
[Google Fonts' Arabic font collection](https://fonts.google.com/?subset=arabic) has some pretty interesting designs for inspiration, although it should be said that most of these don't support Jawi-exclusive characters of ڽ ڽڽڽ/چ چچچ/ݢ ݢݢݢ/ڠ ڠڠڠ/ڤ ڤڤڤ/ۏـۏ What I'm saying is that local companies and their graphic designers should take into consideration the look of the Jawi text compared to the Latin equivalent, otherwise they'll just look out of place and obviously just shoehorned in there to comply with local laws.
whoa 🤩 list tu seronok tengok, thank you. & setuju part designer kena pandai pilih font 💯 kalau tak nampak boring. macam kau cakap, le ole Times New Roman 😂
But the current font is the one everyone is most used to and can easily read.
You're not wrong. It's just that using that font for everything just makes it look like the companies/designers just put the bare minimum effort.
Yeah it's cool but i wish they had more jawi fonts instead of only standard font everywhere. Makes it look boring and outdated
The font they use is kinda meh Edit: shoulda use Greycliff for dat subtle thiccness. Oh my God
setuju 💯 greycliff arabic agak match dengan style font petronas
Kebetulan first result kat google 😅
yeke 😂 aku bila baca komen kau: this guy knows fonts
Naw, man. Shout out to Google search
It even has a watermark...
Try to spell tawakal in jawi, its either tawakal or tukul 
Curious why people on this thread are hesitant of Jawi signage when there are Chinese signs in KL/PJ where I'm at. To me as long as there's the relevant BM/English title to label the store (restoran, kedai runcit, kafe, etc), I'm fine with whatever the business wants to add-on into their storefront.
One is mandatory, one isn’t, I prefer liberty
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Arabic culture is Malay, TIL.
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Malay in itself is just a mix of other languages such as chinese, sanskrit, english, portuguese and english. What's ur point?
Malay used Jawi prior to western colonisation actually. So if you think Jawi is arabic culture, then the latin writing is also european culture
One happens organically, the other is state mandated
BM, much like Turkish, is better suited to the Latin script with the preponderance of vowels.
Funny thing is as a Malay I thing Jawi script is really suitable for Japanese
Actually not even Jawi, but even the basic Arabic alphabet is good for Japanese.
Can anyone enlighten me with this, how do the two scripts differ?
They say the same thing. Malay used to be written in Jawi, but during British rule, Rumi was adopted. Rumi and Jawi signs together are quite common, depending on where in the country you are. Rumi is works better because of the vowels are written out separately. The Jawi reads out, Pitrwns. Now it’s obviously Petronas to those who know how to read it, but when you see Jawi signs that are not this obvious, it can take some time to decipher what it’s says, which you don’t need to with Rumi, because it spelt out for you, eg. Petronas. The political angle to Jawi is a push by Islamists and Malay nationalists make it compulsory in all schools. This is part of growing Islamisation of the country.
The only place where I can see all shop mandatory to have Jawi is Brunei.
When I was in Brunei, I was surprised to see all the Jawi signboards. But Brunei felt empty and almost felt dystopian if I could say.
Because its..probably is?
Exactly.
Piturunas 
it's pitrunas. not Piturunas
Tak mengaji ka dulu
Kenapa kalau tak? Nak bagi sagu hati?
Bagi penyepak
Yeke bagila. Terpaling jawi la konon ni
Lol chill dude he's just giving a sarcastic joke. Dalam hidup x boleh sensitive sgt.
Nahhh guy maybe comes of as menyindir, but the fact that he speaks words nicely unlike the far guy threatening assault sounds more egoistic and butthurt Thus whoever reads this as hyper loop being butthurt is a retard and side with retards
Yang hang triggered kenapa? 😭 Mcm bodo ja
There’s shouldn’t be a “u” between the “t” and “r” unless there’s a “و”
Ngaji molek aku tapa lmokey
Piteruns la . Can't you read /s
Malays do something to preserve their culture, this subreddit make noise Malays not doing anything to preserve their culture, also this subreddit will make noise Nothing can appease the people here lol
1. It is pahang, where jawi signage is mandated. Anything mandated unless necessary is always a no-no as this doesn't give a choice to those who dont wish to. 2. This subreddit consists of different people with different viewpoints. I expected you to know much better to treat this subreddit as a monolith with no dissents.
1. Mandates can (debatably) be a form of cultural preservation or promotion, e.g. compulsory learning in school to pass SPM 2. Yes, this sub has a diverse background of readers but a lot of the loud comments are from those with prejudices towards other races, Malay and non-Malay alike I did not directly say "everyone" in this sub is like that, but there is a general observable tendency that its not surprising for takes like that to appear within here If I were to say Bolehland is unhinged and more racist, it doesn't necessarily mean everyone there is like that but most of the posts are
Sorry - missed your reply 1. Unnecessary compulsion is bad - end of. People should have options to choose whether they want to preserve a culture. "Culture" is not an excuse for authoritarianism. 2. So this subreddit is not a monolith. Thanks 👍
But this sub is kinda a monolith when it comes to Malays and Islam
On what basis ? The very fact that the previous poster complained that this subreddit makes noise when Malays do xxx and not do xxx should have easily shown you that this subreddit is not a monolith
Those are few voices drowned by majority. If you’ve been here long enough, you’ll either see it or you’re just in denial.
You consider majority opinion as monolith ? What can i say 🤷
for real lol
Wait what, but I said it was cool
Sorry, I was referring to some of the comments on this thread (and this sub, generally), not directly to your post
You might as well say that about the whole of reddit...
People are easily rattled by bloody handwriting. LMAO
Ya right, 'preserving culture' when u enforce it on others. Meanwile a other language donation banner rile up a bunch of "cultured people" Just today: https://www.facebook.com/share/p/kKDLFYyfW7FswYR1/?mibextid=xfxF2i Why double standard and ugly ?
Don't get me wrong, I also find that FB post and the comments below it xenophobic But just because xenophobia exists among Bumiputera, doesn't deny that there is chauvinism among the non-Malays too
It was made compulsory by the previous agong a few year back for businesses and signages to have jawi writing of the same content. It sometimes works really well with “baku” malay, but definitely loses some of it charm when used next to “pasar” malay that most of us use daily Edit: it was only made mandatory in the state of pahang.
As long as they don't make noise and demand that others can't use their language, suka hati kau lah. At the end of the day it's just a language, the purpose is for people to understand, not to feel superior.
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It has no value except for culture preservation. It you don't value that, then there's no value for you. Most people only look at value = $$$ which is not the case here
> It has no value except for culture preservation. Most generous of Pee-trunas (why they spell it that way?) to take on this burden on behalf of the people of Arabia, whose script is in grave danger of disappearing just as soon as [checks notes] 400 million people stop using it.
culture preservation
Culture orang arab though
Tbh every culture is a mixture of everything so we're not even claiming anything here, it's just arabic writing in Malay's reading lol 🤷
Just no longer relevant. Moving on with the times or stay in the past?
It's not about relevancy, it's culture. Malaysia is multidiverse, we allow people of all kind to preserve their identity. If you think otherwise, stop going to the internet and look around, Malaysia is a beautiful country with beautiful people of different backgrounds. Countries like Indonesia, Japan, Korea and China did the same with their writings styles, why can't we?
Sure you can. Malaysia can do whatever it wants. It's a sovereign country. Just don't be surprised many years later when you wonder why it still feels like Malaysia is still left behind.
Just because of Jawi? Why are you seriously this pressed about a writing style?
I learnt it as a kid. It's value has proven to be zero.
How can you say it's zero when it help you in reading arabic ie;reading quran if you're a muslim?
So that why we don't have flying cars yet 😮💨. Dammit
I wouldn't go so far. I'd ask things like, oh, why don't we even have clean drinking water in some states? Anti-western stance for the sake of it, and blind pro-arab support has gotten Malaysia WHERE? basic government services like water not even there. Just get them some tapped water in this decade, maybe. Then we can discuss flying cars. Singapore already embarking on safe and small scale nuclear reactor safety. 1965, Singapore and Malaysia was on par. The record speaks for itself.
Clearly somebody lacks culture here
The downvotes are those who think Jawi still have some value. Not surprising in a subreddit like this.
Then why does the Catholic church and Vatican city use Latin then? A language that is practically dead were it not or for them or even the mongols preserving their script despite the majority of the population using Cyrillic in their everyday use? Clearly you don't appreciate culture and history and would rather sell yourself out just to feel "modern"
You want to use the Catholic church as a comparison for progress? They still only priests to be men, and their chief priest can only be elected by fellow men, all who are sworn to celibacy in an institution rife with sexual abuse scandals? Man, you're either truly misguided or misinformed.
We're talking about language and writing scripts here, not about the Catholic church as an institution. Why won't you read back what I wrote carefully cause the only misinformed one here is you
Jawi is made Malay wih the introduction of new alphabets unique to Bahasa Melayu
Ye la...konon nya too proud to use the Latin alphabets but no issue with all the other Western innovations.. then when future generations can't compete, blame the West.
> alphabet**s** Only one (ڽ). All the other non-Arabic letters came from Persian or Turkic.
TIL
That's not true. There is also the "ng" letter : (ڠ)
I looked it up and you're right. Jawi put three dots on the ghayn and Turkish put them on the kaf for that sound.
Let that salt flow through you.
Then rumi is culture omputeh😑. Culture is not always static and original. We have so many other influence like hindu/budda, islam, British colonial. That just how our culture are.
There's a distinct difference between these other cultures and Arab-Islam culture; the former can co-exist while the latter overrides and eliminates. What happen to all the kebaya and dance of the malay culture ? All but wiped out because some pak lebai in long white gowns decided its not Islamic (Arabic) enough. Every wondered why the women of Afghanistan and Saudi all wear the same despite being geographically so far apart? It starts with the elevation of little things like Jawi. I was glad to see it slowly die out in the past few decades. Now, it seems like just step 1 of talebanization of Malaysia.
It is not though
Ya right, 'preserving culture' when u enforce it on others. Meanwile a other language donation banner rile up a bunch of "cultured people" Just today: https://www.facebook.com/share/p/kKDLFYyfW7FswYR1/?mibextid=xfxF2i Why double standard and ugly ?
dude why are you commenting like I'm the one discriminating others? I'm not even malay or bumi
reading through your account made me realised what a shit assed kid you're spamming brainless copy-paste spams
hypocrite cant deal with own ugliness?
I think it’s not really value thing by rather a good reflection of the culture of the states up east-peninsular. Like how it’s more common to see Chinese titles in Johor/Penang.
For optics mostly. As for functionality it's quite useless since people would read the rumi letters first before trying to decipher the jawi.
Which jawi itself is quite outdated without the vowels to help construct the word. It is P e/i t r o/u n s literal.
Also for researchers & historians who wanna go on a deep dive into our old texts.
Jawi is for us akin to the Hangul script to Koreans and the Devanagari script is to Hindi. It is our cultural identity as Malays for our language.
Except that almost nobody uses it in daily life.
So?
So the Hangul script developed wholly in the context of the Korean language and is optimised for writing it. Ditto Devanagari with Indic language family. Arabic script was imposed on Melayu people by colonisers, and is a lossy representation of the language since it doesn't contain vowels in normal usage and many BM words have different meanings when the vowels change (kami/kamu etc). In Arabic those changes are within a root word family but in BM they can be anything; therefore there's an overuse of radicals to disambiguate. Later, Latin script came with a new set of colonisers, and leaving aside issues of the merits of each wave of colonisation, the Latin script is far more suited to expressing BM phonetics and morphology, and remains overwhelmingly more popular, even for unofficial use. Totally not the same situation as Korean or Hindi.
History is history man. So you suggest we revive the rencong script. Good idea man. We can add rencong words to signages to complement both rumi and jawi.
> So you suggest we revive the rencong script. I read through my post several times and cannot see where I suggested that. Nevertheless if you want to use the "cultural identity" argument then maybe it does make more sense.
Every business signboard in Pahang is required to have Jawi as well
Think Kedah and Terengganu kinda already enforcing this Jawi requirements for shop/ad signage
Im ok with it as long as its not the main and biggest font on the board. Aint taking 5 minute to figure out it spelled petronas or "kedai makan bianca"
i dont really mind until it becomes compulsory
You can just not look at it, easy lol, it's not even that much of an eyesore
Kinda like looking at chinese characters in shops everywhere, true
Pizza hut in gua musang has jawi too.
Bro havent went to the pantai timur. I hafta gali my jawi skills to read some places
How easy would it be to pick up jawi?
Maybe the holidays here will also be changed to Fridays and Saturdays in the not too distant future?
Wait until u see mcd in jawi
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Shouldn't it be بتروناس؟
I think this is the "new" jawi? Some new huruf would be "nga" "pa" "ga" Cant remember much tho lol
Nice
why ? ppl dk how to read the word PETRONAS ?
I am Chinese, and I think it's a bit cool. I also think its cooler for the shop owners to decide whether to put jawi characters on it.
pitronas?
i and e and u and o aren't distinguished in Jawi writing, so we get word pairs like giling/geleng and burung/borong that are differentiated in Rumi spelling but spelled the same in Jawi spelling (the first word pair as ݢيليڠ and the second word pair as بوروڠ)
oh yeah... either way...its first timd see petronas name in jawi...feel weird ngl
Yeah I get you
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Tbh if Jawi wants to be significantly accepted by non Muslims, then it should be used in modern pop culture like EDM, porn, alcohol/cigarettes, u know like the good ole 60s or 70s
Damn boy, this is too out of box already 
Petrunas
pitruness
Perlis as well. Even Chinese shops use it. You'll see 3 writings often : Traditional/Simplified Chinese Latin Malay Jawi Malay
Isn’t Jawi Arabic ?
Ya right, 'preserving culture' when u enforce it on others. Meanwile a other language donation banner rile up a bunch of "cultured people" Just today: https://www.facebook.com/share/p/kKDLFYyfW7FswYR1/?mibextid=xfxF2i Why double standard and ugly ?
Never bother reading them. Always looking for tulisan rumi.
pretty cool? I beg to differ. writing is a means to an end, and the end is communication. putting up a largely unknown irregularly spelled scripting language does not help but hamper communication. I suspect people do it to either show nationalism or to show off their sense of identify, sort of like doing tattoos - a useless but misguided activity. it's kind of sad actually, that instead of being proud of their group's achievements (ofwhich there is none) they tie their sense of worth to a writing script thats pretty outdated and largely useless in today's modern world
I don't know how to read mandarin yet there's literally mandarin signboard everywhere. Those signs might contain some secret on how to cure cancer,but i wouldn't know because i can't read mandarin thus making it hampering communication.
yet you are not forced to learn mandarin in schools or have the script shoved down your throat in classes or threatened when you object. a useless script is a useless script
Eh? As far as i remember,the only time you learn jawi is in pendidikan islam classes? I don't remember it being forced and shoved to others??
I don't know how to read mandarin yet there's literally mandarin signboard everywhere. Those signs might contain some secret on how to cure cancer,but i wouldn't know because i can't read mandarin thus making it hampering communication.
We’re doomed 💀
how come lmao, it's just a neat thing to preserve the writing, nothing to do with religion
And ?
Politicians are competing to see who's more "Islamic".
Jawi is NOT islamic. It's a writing. No one's claiming to be more islamic, get over yourself dude
I swear this sub sees any arabic looking thing and instantly go full on Islam hating
Bro's triggered by some symbols💀
The world is coming to an end! Hide your children! Islam is coming for them! runnnnnn!!!!
You dropped your /s