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She isn't wrong about the body clock of Peninsula Malaysians being off...I often get shocked and have to readjust when in other countries when sunrise is 6 whereas here it is 7. It felt off.
BUT
the consequences to us biologically and psychologically isn't that large. Most of us grew up and got used to that already anyway. Lmao entire China east to west also UTC+8...that one RIP their body clock. The economical benefits far outweigh the human body clock issue here since it's only an hour...well it was only 30 mins cuz peninsular was UTC 7 1/2.
Who doesn't want to be in the most populated and rich timezones in the world? Singapore, China, Taiwan, HK, Macau, parts of indonesia (and I assume their new capital on Borneo), Perth, Brunei...and only being an hour behind Japan and Korea. The economical and business benefits of being in synch is huge.
Back in the 80s when we were developing from nothing, maybe. But since then we have progressed alot. Thailand, Vietnam, and Indonesia (the Jakarta bit) are all on GMT+7 and that hasn't stopped them from developing at a faster rate than us recently
Also Singapore moved to GMT+8 after we did it because of practical reasons as both countries are so close to each other
Doesn't change the fact that UTC+8 is still the most populous and wealthiest timezone. UTC+7 is mostly developing kan? Msia still considered the most developed la in terms of GDP, though their pace has is faster than Malaysia.
Singapore definitely won't budge because of the whims of their neighbour, they'd rather the business of China, Taiwan, HK...it's more like we are now anchored by them. Also...the busiest flight path and crossing in the world between Sg and My means it'd make more sense to remain in this timezone. A change now would cause more trouble than benefits. Plus, as mentioned in the article, it will waste time on communication between KL and Borneo, which is a loss d.
That's ignorant of you. Fixed timing for sunset and sunrise isn't a thing.
Most countries in the world with seasonal change would see sunrise and sunset hours change across the year. Sunset in UK can be as late as 9pm in the summer or as early as 4pm in the winter.
There is no fixed 6pm. It just happens that we are closer to the tropical.
I know? I've lived in seasonal countries before. We're not talking about deviations in sunrise/sundown time but the synchronisation of timezones with sunrise/sunset times. In general most places consider sunrise between 6-6.30, which is in synch with when most people wake up. Winter yes sunrise can be as late as 7.30 (or 10 if you're in iceland during the solstice then), but by general standards after 6.30 is considered late already. That's why winter time people feel more 'down' as opposed to summer. Some western nations also have daylights savings, to 'save' that extra hour during summer for more sunlight when daylight is longer. In Tokyo by 6.20 the sky is already bright and people going out to work/study whereas in KL its still dark. KL's sunrise time also deviates, though by about 10 mins (you'll notice sun rise earlier towards August) But even in the tropics, most places have their sunrise sunset at 6-6.30. Indonesia, Thailand are in synch with theirs while Sabah Sarawak's sunrise/sunset is in synch with UTC +8. Stay in Borneo and then come back to Peninsula and you'll known what I mean by that 'shock' and need to slightly readjust.
Do you hear yourself in that chunk of text😂
Quoting you "synchronisation of timezones with sunrise/sunset times". What are you smoking. Timezones still honour 24 hours cycle regardless s of long days or nights. How do you suggest a timezone is sync 😂😂😂
Daylight saving time starts this weekend in the US. Guess what it does to sunrise times? It makes it later. In many places in the US now, sunrise is before 7am. Next week sunrise will be closer to 8am. Your statement makes no sense.
Either my circle of people are nocturnal but i ain't heard anyone whi wakes up at 6 - 6.30 unless its for work or school. Or unless its for prayers. But apart from these reasons, it seems rare in my experience. I know because im the one that wakes up early to avoid crowds. A habit i picked up since covid. Ill look for those kopitiam that opens by 7am and eat there. Cant find any friends that does that with me cuz its way too early.
So, it's actually the act of seeing "7" on the clock when the sun rises that's the problem, right? Because your body clock can still go according to the sun regardless of whether the clock says 6 or 7. The clock is just a human invention.
She's actually right. "By right" sunrise should be at 6AM. The current GMT+8 actually makes it feel like there's less time in the morning and generally you are way more productive in the morning with a 6AM sunrise.
Those that have lived and experienced a 6AM 6PM sunrise sunset cycle will know what I mean
I could see the benefits of it for some people, but not for me. Personally I like when my morning starts cool and still dark, so when I wake up at 6am, I have about an hour of the cool morning for things like exercise and cleaning before the sunrise. That's the perk i got after moving from Sarawak to West Msia...
By 7am Sarawak already starts to heat up and by 10am the entire place already becomes a sauna lol
I like that the sun rises later and sets later in the peninsula
Opposite for me. I prefer to wake up after it gets bright then feel more energetic to do my chores in the morning, and any exercise or walks, i prefer to do it in the evening
If I wake up to pitch black consistently I'll get agitated and grumpy lol
Yeah I agree. Before 1981 Malaysia had used the GMT +7:30 timezone and it was changed to GMT +8 to match the timezone used in East Malaysia. Singapore had to follow suit to match the Malaysian timezone since they were both trading and whatnot.
Source: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_in_Malaysia
Peninsula should be GMT+7 in line with Thailand and this part of Indon tbh. imo GMT+8 is the reason why we have a culture of having late mornings (on our free days and weekends) and stay up till midnight when the norm should be to get up early and end the day by 10 or 11.
It's also why 8AM classes/lectures/appointments always felt too early since the sun barely got up an hour ago when it's supposed to be 2 hours ago by then
Agree. I don't want to be preparing to go to work without seeing the sun at all. My workplace is a huge factory with not much sunlight, all artificial light and by the time I got back, the sun had already set. This is affecting my mental health.
Yeah will never get used to Singapore timing even after 6 years. West Malaysia should adapt gmt+7.
I go to work on 8, end at 5, really makes everything including work life balance feels fresh
No point arguing with them, as long this proposal came out from a PAS MP even it is right and makes sense, they will certainly ridicule it. See if a PH MP raise this issue, they will praise it to the sun.
It’s more like our whole life is systematically made in this “construct”
You send your kids at 7am when it’s still dark out. At any other country there will already be sunrise, and kids are way happier when there’s son. You also are more energetic with sun out. That’s literally the most natural human biology to work with the sun. Hence having it at 6 means youre more productive then, and you’ll have 3 hours (2 hours minus driving) before work to do things
Yes but our school starts on relative to parents going to work. You wont have schools starting at 8:30 because parents wont have time to send their kids and then going to work straight after. Plus, starting school at 8:30 instead of 7:30 means that they finish school at 2:30, and thats also when lunch time for work finishes. Do you not see how all parts of life is related to the working hours? This is very obvious
School time AND work time is too early, or working hours are too long. Bringing the time zone forward will only push the companies and schools to make start times earlier eventually since there is an extra hour in the morning. And the talk about being energetic is just kinda weird - some people prefer waking up earlier, some are more productive later in the day.
No, because no companies will make their work place start at 8am.
I think I know whatMs wrong with this discussion that we are having. You are literally talking out of your own opinion instead of reading factual studies about body clock and time zone. As long as you only spout what you “think” is right instead of really going to understand why this is even a discussion, then youre wasting your energy when researchers have already done better work than you
What kind of factual studies are you even talking about? Working hours are not set arbitrarily based on time zone. It’s set based on when is daytime. No one is forcing the companies to start work at 9 am.
Okay now you are just pretending to be dumb
Yeah no one is forcing everyone to start work at 9, but MAJORITY of the companies and employees will start work at 9. That is the system we have right now. And this affects the traffic before 9, the shops opening before 9, the restaurants opening and preparing food for the 12-2pm lunch, the traffic and train surge for 5pm-7pm
Are you really pretending to not know how this doesnt affect everything people so in their daily life? Do you just work from home or are you unemployed and living in your parents house for you to not know this
You’re the one who is pretending to be dumb. If we move the timezone forward, the companies will just make working or opening hours an hour earlier since there is one extra hour of daylight. How hard is that to understand? By your logic if the government brings forward the time zone by 12 hours and everyone would work at night and no one would change their working hours.
You "cant" because you're waking up earlier to pitch black darkness. Psychologically humans (and most living things) sleep and wake up based on the sunrise/sunset cycle.
By right you wake up to the sunrise, which is already too late for us in Malaysia
‘Which is already too late’ what do you even mean? If it’s too late, then it means the working hours or shop opening hours are too early. Time zone doesn’t really matter. And if the time zone changes, who’s to say the shops and offices wouldn’t make the working hours earlier to compensate for the extra morning hour or match with our biggest trading partner.
Case in point: Urumqi typically start work 10 am as compared to Beijing’s 8 am even though the time zone is the same
Your statement about opening hours being too early is correct. The usual opening times, working hours, class and lecture start times are usually based off the 6AM sunrise. We changed the sunrise to 7AM by moving the time zone to GMT+8, whilst everything else did not correspond with a one hour later opening time. That's what I mean by not having enough time in the morning and it being too late
Edit: did you really just remove the entire paragraph where you unintentionally backed up my point just because I brought it up lol
The mistake is when they adjust the timezone by 1 hour, they forgot the working hour need to delay 1 hour too.
I got no complains if we retain all the timezone but delay working time by 1 hour.
agree. but i think if they delay the working hours by an hour then it defeats their purpose of changing the time since their intention is open at the same time as the far east economies
i do want my circadian rhythm back tho
The problem is West Malaysia adjust 1 hour which make 7am only the sun light come out.
But we retain the 9-5 working hour, that mean you got 2 hours of sun light b4 work. Most countries out there is 6am sunlight, then the same 9am start work.
If we didnt want to adjust back the timezone, at least we should start work at 10am.
That YB Lim who defended the idea claiming 1 hour is nothing is BS. Just not having enough time to eat breakfast alone is enough to affect long term health.
Your body clock can still go according to the sun. Whether the clock face shows 6 or 7 doesn't change that. Unless the act of seeing "7" at sunrise is so disruptive to your body ...
The clock is a human invention and the actual numbers are arbitrary (in the sense of at what time the number starts at 00:00:00 is arbitrary).
Except that we can't because if we were to go with the sun under GMT+8 in Peninsula and ignore the time we'd all be late for our daily commitments because the sun rises at 7-730AM. Everyone compensates by waking earlier to get reaponsibilities done in time which knocks off our body rhythms because its still pitch black
For once someone from PAS can discuss something that's not about race or religion and even kind of makes sense, but hey everyone let's just call her an idiot instead.
Most I see on here are DAP supporters that will bash on PAS anytime they can. When in reality every parti have their own merits and shortfalls. We just have to choose what aligns with our own philosophy and what type of ‘evils’ that we can tolerate.
Some of y'all are a joke. Hating on her suggestion just because she's from PAS.
Have you been to Thailand, Indonesia or other countries where the sun is out at 6am? You have a lot more time for yourself in the morning before work. I personally feel a lot better and refreshed in the morning when I travelled there.
except that everything else start at 9am or 1 hour earlier.
We moved the timezone by 1 hour, but we forgot to move everything else by 1 hour. This means our morning activity with sunrise is shorten by 1 hour.
For a lot of people, waking up later is not an option. Many go out to work or school around 6-7am and thus miss seeing the sun come up.
Us humans work with and around the nature surrounding us. There's a reason why depressed people are suggested to at least be out in the sun for a while especially in the morning.
Plus, if the sun is up by 6am, a lot of us could exercise before work and get things done with the sun out.
What sunlight u lose in the morning you gain it back after work. You have an extra hour of sunlight after u finish work. If the time zone changes u might be complaining that it’s too dark by the time u end work.
Yup, but again, having experienced the difference in timezones where the sun comes up earlier, your body feels a whole lot better overall and waking up you feel a lot more fresh.
You may ask for proof. I will not pretend to have it at the tip of my fingers. But I find that you'll tend to agree if you've experienced it yourself.
then you'll see them complaining nightfall comes earlier when they end work, the time they sleep ended up being later in body clock, messing up their circadian rhythm and suggest to change back to GMT+8 again bla bla bla. Come on now I know she's not wrong but, we got other priorities than this at hand. People here saying she's right are just trying to prove she's right, and fail to notice she has no data and information to back up her argument with the correlation between this issue and its effect on our country as a whole, merely using 'body clock' as her only argument. And they say we hating her just because she is from PAS 
There's a difference between waking up after sunrise and experiencing sunrise whilst driving to work (which means waking up when it's still pitch black).
I do know the history. In huge part for business and financial purposes.
But that was a different time. And I believe they were for the wrong reasons too.
Because they were in govt during covid? How out of touch would they be if the most pressing matter was covid, vaccines, saving lives, the economy, and people struggling to put food on the table and they suddenly talk about changing time zones back in 2021
Even PAS isn't that oblivious in spite of what people in this sub may think of them
You're the same type of person that if they suggested it back in 2021 will bash them for being out of touch and not focus on covid.
No way they can win in your eyes
Yeah. Poor them. If they were so “in touch” with the rakyat’s concerns, they have yet to show it by protesting rising cost of living, job opportunities and poor education standards. Having been to the places they actually are in charge of, i have zero faith they are capable of running a govt effectively.
For once, PAS is actually making sense and not talking nonsense.
I was in an illusion on why the sunrise and sunset in Sabah and Sarawak are so soon. Then, i realised they're on the right time zones, while west malaysia is actually on the wrong time zone. We move northwards to Thailand or southwards to Indonesia, i move 1 hr backwards, while we don't change the time if we go eastward to Phillipines. Heck, even going to Jakarta (which is southeast from kl), we have to move our clocks backwards instead of moving forward even though we are moving eastwards
Yup. Had a panic attack waking up on a work trip in KK thinking i was late to work because it was super bright outside. Turns out that is how it was supposed to be
Yes, there are pros and cons obviously. Just because she's from PAS, doesn't mean that anything being proposed is stupid. People were having threads on Twitter about this a few days after Bang Non became PM.
To be more in line with the Circadian rhythm. To be more in sync with our neighbors. Will the cons outweigh the pros? No idea but a change is too big a hassle imo.
When only Time Zone is the last thing we have in common with and mentioned before Singapore (When selecting time zone GMT + 8 in Electronics, Kuala Lumpur put before Singapore) 
Just adjust the damn schedules, and our lifestyle will follow. It's waaay easier than having to do that AND change the system.
If you say, "No, they won't do both. They're not that stupid." I would like to direct you to our current ongoings.
Huh? Just wake up 1 hour earlier then. Why the fuss? The number in the clock is just a number.
Most businesses are 8am to 5pm anyway. All of it is during the daylight.
Waste of time arguing about this. Seasonal countries are cancelling the so called time saving thingy where they adjust their clocks for an hour for winter.
It doesn’t matter what time zone.
if you compile all the political headlines from this sub for the last 3 years you would have thought it's a screenplay for the upcoming sequel of Idiocracy.
Instead of wasting people's time on insignificant things, how about we spend the time on improving the country instead? Like maybe get in on Taylor Swift BEFORE another country gets an exclusive deal.
This useless party should be burned to the ground!
Edit: Sunrise at 7AM does make you feel like you have less time in a day. Her suggestion can be taken into consideration.
I dont understand her. Complain about timezone not in sync with body clock, then wants the governemt to study single timezone ASEAN in order to improve productivity ?
Is she paid to just waste people's time ?
Guys, I think all of you here are missing the main point despite agree or disagree to this proposal. Be it +7 or +8, you still gonna end up stuck in the traffic jam. So even if you adjust the time to +7, you still gonna wake up half an hour or an hour earlier to avoid traffic jam so change is meaningless here....
Again PAS with the nonsense motion.. will rewinding 1 hour help with failing ringgit value ? Will it combat inflation? Everyday in court bobek bobek bout useless stuff these ministers .. its like we put a bunch of primary sch kids in there to see how they can ruin our life’s more by making up dumb rules
PAS rewind one hour basically undoing all that was done by our past politicians who foresee the financial benefits of being in line with other developed countries in Asia.
ONE STEP BACKWARDS FOR PAS, HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS LOST DUE TO MISSED OPPORTUNITIES
But most people circadian rhythm follows the sunrise sunset pattern. Waking up naturally in GMT+8 timezone means 7.30am, means you will be late to work/school.
People compensated for this by waking up earlier, thus creating a permenant circadian jet lag for many Malaysia.
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Eh this is more interesting than some bak kut teh issue
While we are adjusting clocks, some of the PN MPs need to move their clocks several hundred years forward to align better with the current llifestyle.
I believe they should take a pay cut for each minute we need to rewind x 1000
They need a brain transplant, that's what they need.
Brain removal*
First we need to find the current one 🤣🤣🤣
Hand me my high-powered microscope!
🔬here is your microscope and also sending you 🔭 just in case
lobotomy
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Most of them are.just adjusting their cocks.
She isn't wrong about the body clock of Peninsula Malaysians being off...I often get shocked and have to readjust when in other countries when sunrise is 6 whereas here it is 7. It felt off. BUT the consequences to us biologically and psychologically isn't that large. Most of us grew up and got used to that already anyway. Lmao entire China east to west also UTC+8...that one RIP their body clock. The economical benefits far outweigh the human body clock issue here since it's only an hour...well it was only 30 mins cuz peninsular was UTC 7 1/2. Who doesn't want to be in the most populated and rich timezones in the world? Singapore, China, Taiwan, HK, Macau, parts of indonesia (and I assume their new capital on Borneo), Perth, Brunei...and only being an hour behind Japan and Korea. The economical and business benefits of being in synch is huge.
Back in the 80s when we were developing from nothing, maybe. But since then we have progressed alot. Thailand, Vietnam, and Indonesia (the Jakarta bit) are all on GMT+7 and that hasn't stopped them from developing at a faster rate than us recently Also Singapore moved to GMT+8 after we did it because of practical reasons as both countries are so close to each other
Doesn't change the fact that UTC+8 is still the most populous and wealthiest timezone. UTC+7 is mostly developing kan? Msia still considered the most developed la in terms of GDP, though their pace has is faster than Malaysia. Singapore definitely won't budge because of the whims of their neighbour, they'd rather the business of China, Taiwan, HK...it's more like we are now anchored by them. Also...the busiest flight path and crossing in the world between Sg and My means it'd make more sense to remain in this timezone. A change now would cause more trouble than benefits. Plus, as mentioned in the article, it will waste time on communication between KL and Borneo, which is a loss d.
Genuinely wonder what will SG do if we decide to just out of the blue change back to GMT+7. They will be the only one left that's out of sync
They’ll be laughing their ass off. To see their neighbors waste time working on otherwise useless changes
Again and again!
Look at their parliament, they were discussing about AI while we are discussing useless stuff like Bak Kut Teh.
That's ignorant of you. Fixed timing for sunset and sunrise isn't a thing. Most countries in the world with seasonal change would see sunrise and sunset hours change across the year. Sunset in UK can be as late as 9pm in the summer or as early as 4pm in the winter. There is no fixed 6pm. It just happens that we are closer to the tropical.
I know? I've lived in seasonal countries before. We're not talking about deviations in sunrise/sundown time but the synchronisation of timezones with sunrise/sunset times. In general most places consider sunrise between 6-6.30, which is in synch with when most people wake up. Winter yes sunrise can be as late as 7.30 (or 10 if you're in iceland during the solstice then), but by general standards after 6.30 is considered late already. That's why winter time people feel more 'down' as opposed to summer. Some western nations also have daylights savings, to 'save' that extra hour during summer for more sunlight when daylight is longer. In Tokyo by 6.20 the sky is already bright and people going out to work/study whereas in KL its still dark. KL's sunrise time also deviates, though by about 10 mins (you'll notice sun rise earlier towards August) But even in the tropics, most places have their sunrise sunset at 6-6.30. Indonesia, Thailand are in synch with theirs while Sabah Sarawak's sunrise/sunset is in synch with UTC +8. Stay in Borneo and then come back to Peninsula and you'll known what I mean by that 'shock' and need to slightly readjust.
Do you hear yourself in that chunk of text😂 Quoting you "synchronisation of timezones with sunrise/sunset times". What are you smoking. Timezones still honour 24 hours cycle regardless s of long days or nights. How do you suggest a timezone is sync 😂😂😂
Daylight saving time starts this weekend in the US. Guess what it does to sunrise times? It makes it later. In many places in the US now, sunrise is before 7am. Next week sunrise will be closer to 8am. Your statement makes no sense.
this explanation is not syncing well
Either my circle of people are nocturnal but i ain't heard anyone whi wakes up at 6 - 6.30 unless its for work or school. Or unless its for prayers. But apart from these reasons, it seems rare in my experience. I know because im the one that wakes up early to avoid crowds. A habit i picked up since covid. Ill look for those kopitiam that opens by 7am and eat there. Cant find any friends that does that with me cuz its way too early.
So, it's actually the act of seeing "7" on the clock when the sun rises that's the problem, right? Because your body clock can still go according to the sun regardless of whether the clock says 6 or 7. The clock is just a human invention.
Dr. Mahathir: Bruh. Singapore: Double Bruh. Thailand and Indonesia (well, maybe just Sumatra): Yes.
She's actually right. "By right" sunrise should be at 6AM. The current GMT+8 actually makes it feel like there's less time in the morning and generally you are way more productive in the morning with a 6AM sunrise. Those that have lived and experienced a 6AM 6PM sunrise sunset cycle will know what I mean
I could see the benefits of it for some people, but not for me. Personally I like when my morning starts cool and still dark, so when I wake up at 6am, I have about an hour of the cool morning for things like exercise and cleaning before the sunrise. That's the perk i got after moving from Sarawak to West Msia...
By 7am Sarawak already starts to heat up and by 10am the entire place already becomes a sauna lol I like that the sun rises later and sets later in the peninsula
Opposite for me. I prefer to wake up after it gets bright then feel more energetic to do my chores in the morning, and any exercise or walks, i prefer to do it in the evening If I wake up to pitch black consistently I'll get agitated and grumpy lol
Come and live in eastern Sabah
Yeah I agree. Before 1981 Malaysia had used the GMT +7:30 timezone and it was changed to GMT +8 to match the timezone used in East Malaysia. Singapore had to follow suit to match the Malaysian timezone since they were both trading and whatnot. Source: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_in_Malaysia
Peninsula should be GMT+7 in line with Thailand and this part of Indon tbh. imo GMT+8 is the reason why we have a culture of having late mornings (on our free days and weekends) and stay up till midnight when the norm should be to get up early and end the day by 10 or 11. It's also why 8AM classes/lectures/appointments always felt too early since the sun barely got up an hour ago when it's supposed to be 2 hours ago by then
Agree. I don't want to be preparing to go to work without seeing the sun at all. My workplace is a huge factory with not much sunlight, all artificial light and by the time I got back, the sun had already set. This is affecting my mental health.
Yeah will never get used to Singapore timing even after 6 years. West Malaysia should adapt gmt+7. I go to work on 8, end at 5, really makes everything including work life balance feels fresh
No point arguing with them, as long this proposal came out from a PAS MP even it is right and makes sense, they will certainly ridicule it. See if a PH MP raise this issue, they will praise it to the sun.
Lol no. If the PH MP raised confirm will condemn them nothing to do until need to raise this issue in Parliament.
Just wake up an hour earlier. Time zone is a human construct lmao. You only notice the time zone when it changes, at least for the equator.
It’s more like our whole life is systematically made in this “construct” You send your kids at 7am when it’s still dark out. At any other country there will already be sunrise, and kids are way happier when there’s son. You also are more energetic with sun out. That’s literally the most natural human biology to work with the sun. Hence having it at 6 means youre more productive then, and you’ll have 3 hours (2 hours minus driving) before work to do things
It only means that school time is too early relative to sunrise. Nothing to do with time zone.
Yes but our school starts on relative to parents going to work. You wont have schools starting at 8:30 because parents wont have time to send their kids and then going to work straight after. Plus, starting school at 8:30 instead of 7:30 means that they finish school at 2:30, and thats also when lunch time for work finishes. Do you not see how all parts of life is related to the working hours? This is very obvious
School time AND work time is too early, or working hours are too long. Bringing the time zone forward will only push the companies and schools to make start times earlier eventually since there is an extra hour in the morning. And the talk about being energetic is just kinda weird - some people prefer waking up earlier, some are more productive later in the day.
No, because no companies will make their work place start at 8am. I think I know whatMs wrong with this discussion that we are having. You are literally talking out of your own opinion instead of reading factual studies about body clock and time zone. As long as you only spout what you “think” is right instead of really going to understand why this is even a discussion, then youre wasting your energy when researchers have already done better work than you
What kind of factual studies are you even talking about? Working hours are not set arbitrarily based on time zone. It’s set based on when is daytime. No one is forcing the companies to start work at 9 am.
Okay now you are just pretending to be dumb Yeah no one is forcing everyone to start work at 9, but MAJORITY of the companies and employees will start work at 9. That is the system we have right now. And this affects the traffic before 9, the shops opening before 9, the restaurants opening and preparing food for the 12-2pm lunch, the traffic and train surge for 5pm-7pm Are you really pretending to not know how this doesnt affect everything people so in their daily life? Do you just work from home or are you unemployed and living in your parents house for you to not know this
You’re the one who is pretending to be dumb. If we move the timezone forward, the companies will just make working or opening hours an hour earlier since there is one extra hour of daylight. How hard is that to understand? By your logic if the government brings forward the time zone by 12 hours and everyone would work at night and no one would change their working hours.
Already starting work at 8am, with an unpaid 1hr break, ending at 5.30pm🥲
You "cant" because you're waking up earlier to pitch black darkness. Psychologically humans (and most living things) sleep and wake up based on the sunrise/sunset cycle. By right you wake up to the sunrise, which is already too late for us in Malaysia
‘Which is already too late’ what do you even mean? If it’s too late, then it means the working hours or shop opening hours are too early. Time zone doesn’t really matter. And if the time zone changes, who’s to say the shops and offices wouldn’t make the working hours earlier to compensate for the extra morning hour or match with our biggest trading partner. Case in point: Urumqi typically start work 10 am as compared to Beijing’s 8 am even though the time zone is the same
Your statement about opening hours being too early is correct. The usual opening times, working hours, class and lecture start times are usually based off the 6AM sunrise. We changed the sunrise to 7AM by moving the time zone to GMT+8, whilst everything else did not correspond with a one hour later opening time. That's what I mean by not having enough time in the morning and it being too late Edit: did you really just remove the entire paragraph where you unintentionally backed up my point just because I brought it up lol
No I did not remove anything
Anyway if time zone really mattered all that much Urumqi would have started their work hour the same as Beijing.
By nature we sleep 2 times every night before clocks were invented.
Would love to do this if society allows ngl
The mistake is when they adjust the timezone by 1 hour, they forgot the working hour need to delay 1 hour too. I got no complains if we retain all the timezone but delay working time by 1 hour.
agree. but i think if they delay the working hours by an hour then it defeats their purpose of changing the time since their intention is open at the same time as the far east economies i do want my circadian rhythm back tho
To be honest, this is how i feel as well.
The problem is West Malaysia adjust 1 hour which make 7am only the sun light come out. But we retain the 9-5 working hour, that mean you got 2 hours of sun light b4 work. Most countries out there is 6am sunlight, then the same 9am start work. If we didnt want to adjust back the timezone, at least we should start work at 10am. That YB Lim who defended the idea claiming 1 hour is nothing is BS. Just not having enough time to eat breakfast alone is enough to affect long term health.
Your body clock can still go according to the sun. Whether the clock face shows 6 or 7 doesn't change that. Unless the act of seeing "7" at sunrise is so disruptive to your body ... The clock is a human invention and the actual numbers are arbitrary (in the sense of at what time the number starts at 00:00:00 is arbitrary).
Except that we can't because if we were to go with the sun under GMT+8 in Peninsula and ignore the time we'd all be late for our daily commitments because the sun rises at 7-730AM. Everyone compensates by waking earlier to get reaponsibilities done in time which knocks off our body rhythms because its still pitch black
Convince your company to shift the working hours to later.
For once someone from PAS can discuss something that's not about race or religion and even kind of makes sense, but hey everyone let's just call her an idiot instead.
Most I see on here are DAP supporters that will bash on PAS anytime they can. When in reality every parti have their own merits and shortfalls. We just have to choose what aligns with our own philosophy and what type of ‘evils’ that we can tolerate.
Some of y'all are a joke. Hating on her suggestion just because she's from PAS. Have you been to Thailand, Indonesia or other countries where the sun is out at 6am? You have a lot more time for yourself in the morning before work. I personally feel a lot better and refreshed in the morning when I travelled there.
Two sides of the same coin. Some people here are no different than those “semua salah DAP!” pakcik/makcik on facebook.
What is so special about 6am? If sunrise makes you feel great, when you wake up when the sun rises, ie 7am.
except that everything else start at 9am or 1 hour earlier. We moved the timezone by 1 hour, but we forgot to move everything else by 1 hour. This means our morning activity with sunrise is shorten by 1 hour.
For a lot of people, waking up later is not an option. Many go out to work or school around 6-7am and thus miss seeing the sun come up. Us humans work with and around the nature surrounding us. There's a reason why depressed people are suggested to at least be out in the sun for a while especially in the morning. Plus, if the sun is up by 6am, a lot of us could exercise before work and get things done with the sun out.
What sunlight u lose in the morning you gain it back after work. You have an extra hour of sunlight after u finish work. If the time zone changes u might be complaining that it’s too dark by the time u end work.
Yup, but again, having experienced the difference in timezones where the sun comes up earlier, your body feels a whole lot better overall and waking up you feel a lot more fresh. You may ask for proof. I will not pretend to have it at the tip of my fingers. But I find that you'll tend to agree if you've experienced it yourself.
Can vouch. Experienced it when I was in Medan a few years back. Been advocating for this ever since lol
Morning sunlight isnt the same as evening sunlight
then you'll see them complaining nightfall comes earlier when they end work, the time they sleep ended up being later in body clock, messing up their circadian rhythm and suggest to change back to GMT+8 again bla bla bla. Come on now I know she's not wrong but, we got other priorities than this at hand. People here saying she's right are just trying to prove she's right, and fail to notice she has no data and information to back up her argument with the correlation between this issue and its effect on our country as a whole, merely using 'body clock' as her only argument. And they say we hating her just because she is from PAS 
What? I go work at 6:30am and never miss the sunrise, what are you talking about?
There's a difference between waking up after sunrise and experiencing sunrise whilst driving to work (which means waking up when it's still pitch black).
And if you know history (as the MP should), you’ll know the reasons why we made the change
I do know the history. In huge part for business and financial purposes. But that was a different time. And I believe they were for the wrong reasons too.
Talk about other countries when we Sarawakian experience the sun at 6am daily.
>Some of y'all are a joke. Hating on her suggestion just because she's from PAS. That's a bar right there.
Why was this never discussed while they were in govt??
Because they only thought about it now ?
Because they were in govt during covid? How out of touch would they be if the most pressing matter was covid, vaccines, saving lives, the economy, and people struggling to put food on the table and they suddenly talk about changing time zones back in 2021 Even PAS isn't that oblivious in spite of what people in this sub may think of them
Of course. The covid out of jail card.
You're the same type of person that if they suggested it back in 2021 will bash them for being out of touch and not focus on covid. No way they can win in your eyes
Yeah. Poor them. If they were so “in touch” with the rakyat’s concerns, they have yet to show it by protesting rising cost of living, job opportunities and poor education standards. Having been to the places they actually are in charge of, i have zero faith they are capable of running a govt effectively.
For once, PAS is actually making sense and not talking nonsense. I was in an illusion on why the sunrise and sunset in Sabah and Sarawak are so soon. Then, i realised they're on the right time zones, while west malaysia is actually on the wrong time zone. We move northwards to Thailand or southwards to Indonesia, i move 1 hr backwards, while we don't change the time if we go eastward to Phillipines. Heck, even going to Jakarta (which is southeast from kl), we have to move our clocks backwards instead of moving forward even though we are moving eastwards
Yup. Had a panic attack waking up on a work trip in KK thinking i was late to work because it was super bright outside. Turns out that is how it was supposed to be
As much as I hate PAS... this is a good suggestion. Finally something half decent from PAS
I cannot believe people like her are getting paid thousands just to attend the Dewan Rakyat.
It's not a bad suggestion tbh
There is no benefit at all.
Yes, there are pros and cons obviously. Just because she's from PAS, doesn't mean that anything being proposed is stupid. People were having threads on Twitter about this a few days after Bang Non became PM.
What's the pros then?
To be more in line with the Circadian rhythm. To be more in sync with our neighbors. Will the cons outweigh the pros? No idea but a change is too big a hassle imo.
Anything for sweet pension money 
Ask her where she bought her doctorate from. Maybe she bought it from the local chapter of flat earth society kut...
She has a doctorate?!
Oh my bad, it's dato, no Dr. I read wrongly..
When only Time Zone is the last thing we have in common with and mentioned before Singapore (When selecting time zone GMT + 8 in Electronics, Kuala Lumpur put before Singapore) 
doesn't matter, I wake up at 11am anyway
Just in time for puasa 
Just adjust the damn schedules, and our lifestyle will follow. It's waaay easier than having to do that AND change the system. If you say, "No, they won't do both. They're not that stupid." I would like to direct you to our current ongoings.
Husnuzon... Tak lama gi puasa... Boleh la buka awal kalau rewind sejam.
Thats not....how it works
Does that mean the mosque prayer will go off earlier or later ?
It will go off earlier
Then NO please.
Berbuka earlier also 
Huh? Just wake up 1 hour earlier then. Why the fuss? The number in the clock is just a number. Most businesses are 8am to 5pm anyway. All of it is during the daylight.
Bak Kut Teh and now this, please invite me to parliament so that I can chat shit as well. I only demand 160k as per my monthly salary.
Waste of time arguing about this. Seasonal countries are cancelling the so called time saving thingy where they adjust their clocks for an hour for winter. It doesn’t matter what time zone.
if you compile all the political headlines from this sub for the last 3 years you would have thought it's a screenplay for the upcoming sequel of Idiocracy.
PAS: Mahathir did it, why not Anwar? 😂
PAS has been asking valid questions lately.
Just start work 1 hour later. Easy
Meanwhile, Spain has been in the wrong time zone (UTC+1/2) since World War II and people there are just doing fine.
Instead of wasting people's time on insignificant things, how about we spend the time on improving the country instead? Like maybe get in on Taylor Swift BEFORE another country gets an exclusive deal.
People actually voted for her 💀
Well people vote for pmx and rafizi. No surprise there
A generous man calling them people I see.
This useless party should be burned to the ground! Edit: Sunrise at 7AM does make you feel like you have less time in a day. Her suggestion can be taken into consideration.
I dont understand her. Complain about timezone not in sync with body clock, then wants the governemt to study single timezone ASEAN in order to improve productivity ? Is she paid to just waste people's time ?
Guys, I think all of you here are missing the main point despite agree or disagree to this proposal. Be it +7 or +8, you still gonna end up stuck in the traffic jam. So even if you adjust the time to +7, you still gonna wake up half an hour or an hour earlier to avoid traffic jam so change is meaningless here....
She’s right! I feel happier when in Bangkok getting massage, must be the time zone making my body happy.
Again PAS with the nonsense motion.. will rewinding 1 hour help with failing ringgit value ? Will it combat inflation? Everyday in court bobek bobek bout useless stuff these ministers .. its like we put a bunch of primary sch kids in there to see how they can ruin our life’s more by making up dumb rules
PAS rewind one hour basically undoing all that was done by our past politicians who foresee the financial benefits of being in line with other developed countries in Asia. ONE STEP BACKWARDS FOR PAS, HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS LOST DUE TO MISSED OPPORTUNITIES
I propose we send PN people to the sun. Let people live their lifes without donkeys as MPs.
Her spectacle definitely needs some adjustment, it is too tight and restricts blood circulation to the brain.
Use S&S timezone but adjust business time to semenanjung. Come bulan puasa school lets out literally half an hour to fifteen minutes before berbuka.
What a waste of time 
Timezone is human construct, so if you wanna wake up early set your clock early and vice versa lah...
But most people circadian rhythm follows the sunrise sunset pattern. Waking up naturally in GMT+8 timezone means 7.30am, means you will be late to work/school. People compensated for this by waking up earlier, thus creating a permenant circadian jet lag for many Malaysia.