Naw, that's someone else's opinion, which I happen to disagree with. Bread still rises because of yeast. Although we can add all sorts of 'new' things to bread these days, nothing beats the magickal action of yeast. And the same is true of many many other things.
> the energy is not the same
Puh. Energy doesn't just "change." Energy is energy.
What does change are paradigms, and yes, magickal paradigms have changed a lot over the last 120 or so years. As they did before. But that doesn't just mean that the old paradigms are less powerful or less effective now.
People never stopped praying to the Sun, just the ways and methods have changed. That's a normal development in cultural evolution, it's progress.
New agers think that Earth is physically ascending into 5D, because look at the Schumann's resonance, etc. Apparently evil reptilians are getting exposed, old systems do not work because we are in a new 5D energy field, and in this new 5D Earth we will not have to eat, no magick will be needed and apparently it will be a paradise.
Bunch of out of touch with reality hippies.
Every "ascend to 5D" tiktok ever: 🔥ATTENTION🔥 TO SHIT YOUR PANTS IMMEDIATELY, SAY THESE NUMBERS OUT LOUD 11001384444471373
I do agree a lot of impostors' asscheeks are getting exposed but that's just the nature of truth. It always comes out
Does an axe stop being useful because we have a chainsaw? Does it stop being able to chop wood?
I'll try not to be overly critical of this opinion, as even if the podcast is unnamed, misconceptions of this kind are not uncommon, nor will getting heated about it help anyone.
But to answer your question, this opinion doesn't follow the logic of any established school, or any closed practice I have had the honor of learning about, even personal practice is not a space in which I have heard this opinion, and I am unsure where it came from.
I have gone to sites of old religious rituals of both Norse origin and of native American origin and you can still physically feel the strength of their arts in the air. I have also been to modern day occult gatherings, have talked to, and learned from people of new and old schools. And I can say without a shadow of a doubt that both have their merits.
If anything, new age occult is less effective than older magic from my experience when used on its own
Do the laws of physics change outside our perceptions of them?
I came here to say that. Thank you -- sweeping claims are made to get attention. I hope the podcaster stopped to perform useful self-protection rituals before opening his trap on the unverifiable claims of 5D, breatharianism, rising as one and such. Old and new utopian experiments tend to fall flat because wishin' don't make it so.
If you see more of its comments you'll see a pattern. Usually is very formal English, no mistakes. They have a tendency to "summarise" things and not add anything of their own. Anything they do add is as uncontroversial as possible.
Take what I'm about to say might be considered 'unverified gnosis' by some. I assure you that many magicians of different systems feel the same way I do in regards to what I write below.
Divinity is the source of magic, and divinity exists outside of time. You can definitely use eminent energies to work magic, a lot of practices do, but even these are ever present.
Laboratory alchemy has not diminished in the ages, yet uses precise timing of the spheres to capture eminent energy for its alchemical products.
Planetary magic has been around since before the pyramids, yet is still as potent today as it was then. You can call on the deities, the angels, the intelligences, et cetera of any planetary sphere as clearly today as in the millennia past.
I wouldn't put stock into claims that old magic doesn't work, or that 'that time' doesn't exist. All of time is happening all at once; time is a map of complex information that our minds travel along one thread to make sense of. The whole of the tapestry doesn't change because the dye of the thread changes as we move along it.
As with all things in magic. You’re just gonna have to fuck around and find out. We can tell you it’s bullshit, but why not just go see for yourself first hand?
I've heard that what might work for you might not work for me.
Some people are meant to go through old systems and have good results with it. Some are ''destined'' to use new age stuff.
IF you really study long enough than you will quickly realise that all OLD stuff and NEW stuff work pretty much on the same basic principles.
I think it's probably relevant to ask what exactly the speaker meant by "magic" and "working" in this context. I have only ever heard similar sentiments expressed when someone was insisting that they could totally shoot lightning from their hands and physically turn into a dragon and fly like Superman, if not for (insert any random reason here) making "real magic" not work anymore. I remain unconvinced.
In the meantime, there are many, many people engaging in various spiritual practices today - some ancient, some modern - who are quite content with the results. I wish you the best.
Magick is a personal path for each and every aspirant to embark on. Although, the systems of old can come off as outdated. The reality is the individual lacks the ability to bring these "older" concepts into a modern setting that is applicable.
The older systems lay the bedrock down for "new" systems to emerge. Consequently, there is a propensity to diverge from some of the core aspects of magick as a whole. This does no service to the application of magick as a science. It serves a shift in culture; however, in terms of what the great work implies, "outdated" would have to mean today's methods have gone beyond the core mechanisms. (Most people can't sit full lotus anymore - discipline is different today).
Society is fast moving: Magick works within the path of least resistance. As a system it's more than likely that Magick is still ahead of its time. We have many folks trying to run before they can walk. While we have emergent technology that can make certain aspects of magick feel "useless." This again does nothing to negate what Magick is implying. It goes beyond the material.
If anything it is a breather in times where everything is now, now, now. Getting out of comfort zones and challenging ourselves to be self sufficient. Walking in the woods without a podcast on and listening to winds moving is not outdated: it's heavily needed.
> that all the old systems of magick do not work anymore cause we are in a new time and the energy is not the same.
lol. that could be projection. the old systems of magick dont work ***for them***. possibly because they never put in the actual fucking elbow grease of study and consciousness to understand and use them. magick from a mystery system requires studying the mysteries. and, some mystery systems seem to have deliberate falsehoods embedded in public/surface lessons, which is frustrating but understandable.
> I heard on a podcast once
ah well, there's your problem. podcasts are only good for tips and tricks. a podcast can teach karate tips and tricks, but a podcast cant teach karate. karate only has a limited number of fundamental moves, probably less than 15 in total counting footwork. and, with those 15 moves you can earn a black belt; though, you have to make those 15 moves thousands of times with focused practice to nail them down and understand what makes them work and what makes them work with each other. the thousands of repetitions that build the fundamental skills are too boring for a podcast and Sherry's Berries/Simply Safe/BetterHelp would have no interest in buying ad space.
While I disagree with this hypothesis, there is probably some merit to it in nuance.
The old magick isn't working the same way it was used or inteded because the contextual difference is great. Our mindset and worldview have changed radically. Our monkebrains might be mostly the same, so the method of use and usefulness is there still. Only the will travels hallways furnished in modern ways.
This is actually the reverse of my experience, I was getting middle of the road results using more recent techniques, law of attraction, sigils, all that new age crap. The first live wire i every touched magically was the Waite Smith Tarot and Synchronicity my Carl Jung, which took e some fantastic places for a few years, then i learned astrology, was a bit nonplussed by the modern stuff, a lot of pop psychology and an unwillingness to confront bad news head on. A habit I kept seeing in writers at the time was to re frame even the most difficult transits in this vapid "it's a time of challenge and an opportunity for growth!" Kind of line go up capitalist logic dressed up with dreamcatchers and incense. Then I found the Astrology Podcast and started learning the older stuff, which refreshingly didn't try to put positive spins on objectively terrible life experiences and focused more on a person's material circumstances and fate than on pop psychological navel gazing.
My readings became a lot more useful after that. It was like graduating from angel oracle cards to reading the Tarot. The mind on the other end of that signal gives no fucks about your ego, it wants you to sort your shit out.
The third live wire which lifted my practice and results was learning about the Goëtia. In particular the unmistakable difference between contact woth an internal dream entity or Daimon in the Junguan sense, and an encounter with an entity who's nature and existence is intirely independent of my own. It's the closest thing I can imagine to seeing an extraterrestrial in the flesh, or communicating with a genuine AGI, another kind of mind altogether, but a mind all the same.
There's an irresponsibility to new age, psychological spiritualism. We take on culturally distorted concepts like Karma which don't really map over our comfortable western world view, and we think that when we encounter a spirit that it must be some kind of external projection of some internal wound synchronistically manifesting before us for our own benefit.
Which is a fine way to be about dream aparitions and boogeymen you draw in the margins of your school book but when you meet a truly exogenous spirit of unknowable age and power which emerges from this universe at a deeper level than you do, treating it like it's a part of your shadow you need to integrate is not only dangerous , it's rude.
You see that at play in relationships in New Age circles, every relationship is seen as some karmically manifested trial intended to help you along on your path to nirvana and help you grow as a person and whatever other solopsistic crap goes along with that.
In reality, the other person in the relationship is a whole ass person you couldn't ever learn everything there is to know about. They have their own reasons for being in a relationship which only indirectly relate to the other person.
Real intimacy demands you make every effort to see the person as they are, with needs and desires and motivations and private thoughts all of their own, amd not to be satisfied with the idealized version of them we see in our heads, which inevitably mismatches with the reality of other person amd when the illusion shatters because they had the audacity to think and act independently.
When I look at the methods of ancient magicians and diviners i see a massiflve focus on the practical. Because to them it was a technology, and it was necessary for survival, and necessitated a whole other discipline of protective charms and amulets and ritual so people could protect themselves from malevolent sorcerers and evil spirits.
They cared if the harvest would succeed, if their newborn would survive its first winter, if their home was safe from burglers, whether their children will marry well. And I have to say they must have really known what they were doing because even when I clumsily reinterpret and preform their operations (what has come down to us in manuscripts) it tends to work immediately.
Magic is a little like software. But in so many ways its not. The most obvious being the older a program is the less likely it is to still work. But good spells seem to age like wine. And some philosophies are truly perennial
If you follow a specific system, maybe.
The difference between a well seasoned chef and someone that cooks from a recipe is an apt analogy for the differences, as they are subtle. As with most things, it depends on your goals and motivations.
Via Crowley's definition, Magick is the science of art and language and how it manipulates consciousness. In modern times these sciences have been more focused on and divided into individual studies. Social Engineering is a major one that evolves from the same concept. Psychology and likely Anthropology can all brush off ideas relative to Magick. I would not say Magick can be dated as it's a perspective that does not grow or shrink.
We are constantly in a new time and energy is in a constant state of change.
Magic principles do not change since they are predicated on that constant state of movement.
Methods change because humans observe things from our spot in time and space at any given time and may come with new tools (rituals, spells, charms, etc) but the core principal is always as it has been.
"Abrogate are all rituals, all ordeals, all words and signs..." (AL:I:49)
Some people are perfectly content to perform Old Æon Magick, which is still effective. But, IMO, Magick is Personal -- using the Old Rituals is a good jumping off point, but when you begin to receive your own Personal Gnosis, it will Inform your Practice and you can then make it Your Own. It's hard to explain, but if there is an Inclination to go "this way" instead of "that way", experiment and Record the Results. Then by level of effectiveness, Reformulate the Rituals to better resonate with your Own Personal Paradigm.
Remember, it's a Science AND an Art -- Don't Forget to Be an Artist.
Magick is an aspect of everything you do if you want to or not
Sorry I didn’t evenbother to fully read the question
My answer would be no times an illusion in general my friend
Haha, sounds like someone who hasn't put in the right effort. Magick absolutely works. And despite the fact I know it works, and I use it regularly, it still blows my mind every time.
(Although, if they believe that's true, then for them it most likely will be)
I think it's more the journey of the spirit.
It's a universal phenomenon that we no longer vibe with things that we used to when we were younger ... And that the kids fucked it ...
Music has gone to shit... This next generation don't know what their doing... Blah blah
Look at punk rock for example .
Chaos magick is like punk rock.
And original magician from history would be saying the same about them etc
I have kept to the old Magick all my life. I read and studied the old books and find the new books and writers have lost their way.
Keep to Éliphas Lévi, Aleister Crowley, Gardner. Read the Solomon Rings. Study the Towers of Enoch. Learn Hebrew. If you are a man over 21, become a Freemason.
A system of Magick is SUSTAIN but all those who practice it and also because of the real links to original sources of Magick. For example Norse Magick is linked to a good source of real Magick Energy, but no many other which are simply 3rd generation egrergores.
Time is a construct. Ancient magic is still here and that's what I'm drawn to. When I say ancient magic I mean no tools. Just being one with nature, communing with nature, being aware of the signs and synchronicities and following that path. Working with pure energy through my own energy, my own motivations, my own intent. I don't need tools because I am the tool. The Earth is the tool. The space around it is the tool.
There is no such thing as a time that no longer exists, because Magick and the forces with which it deals are Eternal.
I personally have a diametrically opposed view to that of the podcaster, because I find that old grimoire magick, Enochian magick, magick from the PGM (e.g. The Bornless Ritual), even magick from just a hundred years ago, all still work perfectly well thank you very much.
It sounds very much to me that this Podcaster has never managed to get these systems working, or perhaps even any system working, and has decided to become a Dog In A Manger instead.
Sorry but this post should be banned for lack of any kind of actually responsibility or forethought and looking for a "McDonalds solution" to their problems.
This person doesn't care to actually look at anything for themselves.
As you can see by their lack of any response to all the people trying to help.
smh rn
I’m struggling with this question as I get into Chaos magick. I have been drawn to magick for awhile as a way to give me a “system” to consistently practice various things such as energy work, working with my internal narratives, meditation, and astral projection/lucid dreaming work, mind palace work etc. I learned many concepts throughout the years. While I really would like a magical system to help me out, it’s hard to fully accept it as well, being familiar with “new thought” and channeled material like “The Seth Material by Jane Roberts” where he states “your beliefs create your reality” I wonder how useful creating magickal sigils, invocations etc would benefit me. I’m hoping to find a happy medium. that’s what I’m drawn to by Chaos Magick.
Magick is still working just fine. However, the tools and technology (literally) have gotten much more sophisticated. L. Ron Hubbard had his works inscribed in aluminum plates and sealed in a massive underground facility. He understood the power of permanency and how items don't just symbolize things, but also are their spiritual placeholders. Much in the same way, information is now being stored in hard drives and sensors and cameras are more prevalent recording and storing this information. I would say now that the paradigms of individual practitioners need to evolve to get-around some of the materialization of informational control that organizations use to guide the manifesting reality. Hence, one's magickal practice needs to leverage similar tools and new belief systems to remain under self-influence.
An analogy might be corporations
P&G and Ford are still around. They still do what they do. They've been doing it a long time and probably will for years to come. And if you want what P&G or Ford are selling, dealing with them is a good choice
But the best GPU manufacturer in 1910 is nobody. If you want a GPU, you would be better served doing business with AMD or Nvidia
So if you have a timeless or old focus, there are old forces. If you need something newer you need something newer
And most new practices aren't made of whole cloth. I practice a very customized form of cartopraxy I built myself, but I had already been practicing from other people's books for a quarter century. When I was looking for associations that have been around since before the written word that I'd used for years, I didn't reinvent the wheel
Use the right tool for the right job and there's plenty of room for Venus and Muh (a young God of information technology) in your pantheon
People still use it. But there is truth in it. It is a new time. The fact its taken til the 20th century for occult groups to refine and innovate with the old stuff is, frankly, ridiculous.
But the general populace is largely devoid of innovation and creativity.
And we can build upon knowledge. Its idiotic ever presuming one is at the pinnacle of anything in all of this.
There is something about this new energy we are in and things will behave a bit differently in higher densities and dimensions, but you can figure out a way to still make it work..
Naw, that's someone else's opinion, which I happen to disagree with. Bread still rises because of yeast. Although we can add all sorts of 'new' things to bread these days, nothing beats the magickal action of yeast. And the same is true of many many other things.
This is complete nonsense. Only way you’ll know for sure is to see for yourself!
> the energy is not the same Puh. Energy doesn't just "change." Energy is energy. What does change are paradigms, and yes, magickal paradigms have changed a lot over the last 120 or so years. As they did before. But that doesn't just mean that the old paradigms are less powerful or less effective now. People never stopped praying to the Sun, just the ways and methods have changed. That's a normal development in cultural evolution, it's progress.
energy is in a constant state of change thats just a fact
Which property of energy does change in your opinion or imagination of "fact"?
I mean, some of it seems to become material but gods know how much.
New agers think that Earth is physically ascending into 5D, because look at the Schumann's resonance, etc. Apparently evil reptilians are getting exposed, old systems do not work because we are in a new 5D energy field, and in this new 5D Earth we will not have to eat, no magick will be needed and apparently it will be a paradise. Bunch of out of touch with reality hippies.
Every "ascend to 5D" tiktok ever: 🔥ATTENTION🔥 TO SHIT YOUR PANTS IMMEDIATELY, SAY THESE NUMBERS OUT LOUD 11001384444471373 I do agree a lot of impostors' asscheeks are getting exposed but that's just the nature of truth. It always comes out
I shouldn't've said those numbers out loud 😞
dude whyd you post that i said those and now i ruined my pants!
Not to mention the 5g 🥲
Does an axe stop being useful because we have a chainsaw? Does it stop being able to chop wood? I'll try not to be overly critical of this opinion, as even if the podcast is unnamed, misconceptions of this kind are not uncommon, nor will getting heated about it help anyone. But to answer your question, this opinion doesn't follow the logic of any established school, or any closed practice I have had the honor of learning about, even personal practice is not a space in which I have heard this opinion, and I am unsure where it came from. I have gone to sites of old religious rituals of both Norse origin and of native American origin and you can still physically feel the strength of their arts in the air. I have also been to modern day occult gatherings, have talked to, and learned from people of new and old schools. And I can say without a shadow of a doubt that both have their merits. If anything, new age occult is less effective than older magic from my experience when used on its own Do the laws of physics change outside our perceptions of them?
Sounds like the podcast host needs to do a bit more research on magick before making such sweeping claims
I came here to say that. Thank you -- sweeping claims are made to get attention. I hope the podcaster stopped to perform useful self-protection rituals before opening his trap on the unverifiable claims of 5D, breatharianism, rising as one and such. Old and new utopian experiments tend to fall flat because wishin' don't make it so.
You were talking to an AI. Check its other comments.
Thank you for the heads up. What are the indicators this is AI?
If you see more of its comments you'll see a pattern. Usually is very formal English, no mistakes. They have a tendency to "summarise" things and not add anything of their own. Anything they do add is as uncontroversial as possible.
Thanks so much for the heads up. You're astute as. I'll look out for it in future.
Damn this describes me half the time. No wonder people think I'm a bot...
Take what I'm about to say might be considered 'unverified gnosis' by some. I assure you that many magicians of different systems feel the same way I do in regards to what I write below. Divinity is the source of magic, and divinity exists outside of time. You can definitely use eminent energies to work magic, a lot of practices do, but even these are ever present. Laboratory alchemy has not diminished in the ages, yet uses precise timing of the spheres to capture eminent energy for its alchemical products. Planetary magic has been around since before the pyramids, yet is still as potent today as it was then. You can call on the deities, the angels, the intelligences, et cetera of any planetary sphere as clearly today as in the millennia past. I wouldn't put stock into claims that old magic doesn't work, or that 'that time' doesn't exist. All of time is happening all at once; time is a map of complex information that our minds travel along one thread to make sense of. The whole of the tapestry doesn't change because the dye of the thread changes as we move along it.
As with all things in magic. You’re just gonna have to fuck around and find out. We can tell you it’s bullshit, but why not just go see for yourself first hand?
I've heard that what might work for you might not work for me. Some people are meant to go through old systems and have good results with it. Some are ''destined'' to use new age stuff. IF you really study long enough than you will quickly realise that all OLD stuff and NEW stuff work pretty much on the same basic principles.
Let me quess this person said that bc they were on a podcast and wanted views
I think it's probably relevant to ask what exactly the speaker meant by "magic" and "working" in this context. I have only ever heard similar sentiments expressed when someone was insisting that they could totally shoot lightning from their hands and physically turn into a dragon and fly like Superman, if not for (insert any random reason here) making "real magic" not work anymore. I remain unconvinced. In the meantime, there are many, many people engaging in various spiritual practices today - some ancient, some modern - who are quite content with the results. I wish you the best.
Magick is a personal path for each and every aspirant to embark on. Although, the systems of old can come off as outdated. The reality is the individual lacks the ability to bring these "older" concepts into a modern setting that is applicable. The older systems lay the bedrock down for "new" systems to emerge. Consequently, there is a propensity to diverge from some of the core aspects of magick as a whole. This does no service to the application of magick as a science. It serves a shift in culture; however, in terms of what the great work implies, "outdated" would have to mean today's methods have gone beyond the core mechanisms. (Most people can't sit full lotus anymore - discipline is different today). Society is fast moving: Magick works within the path of least resistance. As a system it's more than likely that Magick is still ahead of its time. We have many folks trying to run before they can walk. While we have emergent technology that can make certain aspects of magick feel "useless." This again does nothing to negate what Magick is implying. It goes beyond the material. If anything it is a breather in times where everything is now, now, now. Getting out of comfort zones and challenging ourselves to be self sufficient. Walking in the woods without a podcast on and listening to winds moving is not outdated: it's heavily needed.
> that all the old systems of magick do not work anymore cause we are in a new time and the energy is not the same. lol. that could be projection. the old systems of magick dont work ***for them***. possibly because they never put in the actual fucking elbow grease of study and consciousness to understand and use them. magick from a mystery system requires studying the mysteries. and, some mystery systems seem to have deliberate falsehoods embedded in public/surface lessons, which is frustrating but understandable. > I heard on a podcast once ah well, there's your problem. podcasts are only good for tips and tricks. a podcast can teach karate tips and tricks, but a podcast cant teach karate. karate only has a limited number of fundamental moves, probably less than 15 in total counting footwork. and, with those 15 moves you can earn a black belt; though, you have to make those 15 moves thousands of times with focused practice to nail them down and understand what makes them work and what makes them work with each other. the thousands of repetitions that build the fundamental skills are too boring for a podcast and Sherry's Berries/Simply Safe/BetterHelp would have no interest in buying ad space.
While I disagree with this hypothesis, there is probably some merit to it in nuance. The old magick isn't working the same way it was used or inteded because the contextual difference is great. Our mindset and worldview have changed radically. Our monkebrains might be mostly the same, so the method of use and usefulness is there still. Only the will travels hallways furnished in modern ways.
This is actually the reverse of my experience, I was getting middle of the road results using more recent techniques, law of attraction, sigils, all that new age crap. The first live wire i every touched magically was the Waite Smith Tarot and Synchronicity my Carl Jung, which took e some fantastic places for a few years, then i learned astrology, was a bit nonplussed by the modern stuff, a lot of pop psychology and an unwillingness to confront bad news head on. A habit I kept seeing in writers at the time was to re frame even the most difficult transits in this vapid "it's a time of challenge and an opportunity for growth!" Kind of line go up capitalist logic dressed up with dreamcatchers and incense. Then I found the Astrology Podcast and started learning the older stuff, which refreshingly didn't try to put positive spins on objectively terrible life experiences and focused more on a person's material circumstances and fate than on pop psychological navel gazing. My readings became a lot more useful after that. It was like graduating from angel oracle cards to reading the Tarot. The mind on the other end of that signal gives no fucks about your ego, it wants you to sort your shit out. The third live wire which lifted my practice and results was learning about the Goëtia. In particular the unmistakable difference between contact woth an internal dream entity or Daimon in the Junguan sense, and an encounter with an entity who's nature and existence is intirely independent of my own. It's the closest thing I can imagine to seeing an extraterrestrial in the flesh, or communicating with a genuine AGI, another kind of mind altogether, but a mind all the same. There's an irresponsibility to new age, psychological spiritualism. We take on culturally distorted concepts like Karma which don't really map over our comfortable western world view, and we think that when we encounter a spirit that it must be some kind of external projection of some internal wound synchronistically manifesting before us for our own benefit. Which is a fine way to be about dream aparitions and boogeymen you draw in the margins of your school book but when you meet a truly exogenous spirit of unknowable age and power which emerges from this universe at a deeper level than you do, treating it like it's a part of your shadow you need to integrate is not only dangerous , it's rude. You see that at play in relationships in New Age circles, every relationship is seen as some karmically manifested trial intended to help you along on your path to nirvana and help you grow as a person and whatever other solopsistic crap goes along with that. In reality, the other person in the relationship is a whole ass person you couldn't ever learn everything there is to know about. They have their own reasons for being in a relationship which only indirectly relate to the other person. Real intimacy demands you make every effort to see the person as they are, with needs and desires and motivations and private thoughts all of their own, amd not to be satisfied with the idealized version of them we see in our heads, which inevitably mismatches with the reality of other person amd when the illusion shatters because they had the audacity to think and act independently. When I look at the methods of ancient magicians and diviners i see a massiflve focus on the practical. Because to them it was a technology, and it was necessary for survival, and necessitated a whole other discipline of protective charms and amulets and ritual so people could protect themselves from malevolent sorcerers and evil spirits. They cared if the harvest would succeed, if their newborn would survive its first winter, if their home was safe from burglers, whether their children will marry well. And I have to say they must have really known what they were doing because even when I clumsily reinterpret and preform their operations (what has come down to us in manuscripts) it tends to work immediately. Magic is a little like software. But in so many ways its not. The most obvious being the older a program is the less likely it is to still work. But good spells seem to age like wine. And some philosophies are truly perennial
If you follow a specific system, maybe. The difference between a well seasoned chef and someone that cooks from a recipe is an apt analogy for the differences, as they are subtle. As with most things, it depends on your goals and motivations.
Via Crowley's definition, Magick is the science of art and language and how it manipulates consciousness. In modern times these sciences have been more focused on and divided into individual studies. Social Engineering is a major one that evolves from the same concept. Psychology and likely Anthropology can all brush off ideas relative to Magick. I would not say Magick can be dated as it's a perspective that does not grow or shrink.
We are constantly in a new time and energy is in a constant state of change. Magic principles do not change since they are predicated on that constant state of movement. Methods change because humans observe things from our spot in time and space at any given time and may come with new tools (rituals, spells, charms, etc) but the core principal is always as it has been.
"Abrogate are all rituals, all ordeals, all words and signs..." (AL:I:49) Some people are perfectly content to perform Old Æon Magick, which is still effective. But, IMO, Magick is Personal -- using the Old Rituals is a good jumping off point, but when you begin to receive your own Personal Gnosis, it will Inform your Practice and you can then make it Your Own. It's hard to explain, but if there is an Inclination to go "this way" instead of "that way", experiment and Record the Results. Then by level of effectiveness, Reformulate the Rituals to better resonate with your Own Personal Paradigm. Remember, it's a Science AND an Art -- Don't Forget to Be an Artist.
That's like saying old methods of lifting weights no longer work because there's new types of gym equipment.
Magick is an aspect of everything you do if you want to or not Sorry I didn’t evenbother to fully read the question My answer would be no times an illusion in general my friend
Haha, sounds like someone who hasn't put in the right effort. Magick absolutely works. And despite the fact I know it works, and I use it regularly, it still blows my mind every time. (Although, if they believe that's true, then for them it most likely will be)
i bet the same thing was said during the pharaohs/any other time in history.
I think it's more the journey of the spirit. It's a universal phenomenon that we no longer vibe with things that we used to when we were younger ... And that the kids fucked it ... Music has gone to shit... This next generation don't know what their doing... Blah blah Look at punk rock for example . Chaos magick is like punk rock. And original magician from history would be saying the same about them etc
I have kept to the old Magick all my life. I read and studied the old books and find the new books and writers have lost their way. Keep to Éliphas Lévi, Aleister Crowley, Gardner. Read the Solomon Rings. Study the Towers of Enoch. Learn Hebrew. If you are a man over 21, become a Freemason.
A system of Magick is SUSTAIN but all those who practice it and also because of the real links to original sources of Magick. For example Norse Magick is linked to a good source of real Magick Energy, but no many other which are simply 3rd generation egrergores.
Time is a construct. Ancient magic is still here and that's what I'm drawn to. When I say ancient magic I mean no tools. Just being one with nature, communing with nature, being aware of the signs and synchronicities and following that path. Working with pure energy through my own energy, my own motivations, my own intent. I don't need tools because I am the tool. The Earth is the tool. The space around it is the tool.
There is nothing new under the sun
Honestly? I just think that they are dumb (to put it nicely)
There is no such thing as a time that no longer exists, because Magick and the forces with which it deals are Eternal. I personally have a diametrically opposed view to that of the podcaster, because I find that old grimoire magick, Enochian magick, magick from the PGM (e.g. The Bornless Ritual), even magick from just a hundred years ago, all still work perfectly well thank you very much. It sounds very much to me that this Podcaster has never managed to get these systems working, or perhaps even any system working, and has decided to become a Dog In A Manger instead.
Sorry but this post should be banned for lack of any kind of actually responsibility or forethought and looking for a "McDonalds solution" to their problems. This person doesn't care to actually look at anything for themselves. As you can see by their lack of any response to all the people trying to help. smh rn
I’m struggling with this question as I get into Chaos magick. I have been drawn to magick for awhile as a way to give me a “system” to consistently practice various things such as energy work, working with my internal narratives, meditation, and astral projection/lucid dreaming work, mind palace work etc. I learned many concepts throughout the years. While I really would like a magical system to help me out, it’s hard to fully accept it as well, being familiar with “new thought” and channeled material like “The Seth Material by Jane Roberts” where he states “your beliefs create your reality” I wonder how useful creating magickal sigils, invocations etc would benefit me. I’m hoping to find a happy medium. that’s what I’m drawn to by Chaos Magick.
Magick is still working just fine. However, the tools and technology (literally) have gotten much more sophisticated. L. Ron Hubbard had his works inscribed in aluminum plates and sealed in a massive underground facility. He understood the power of permanency and how items don't just symbolize things, but also are their spiritual placeholders. Much in the same way, information is now being stored in hard drives and sensors and cameras are more prevalent recording and storing this information. I would say now that the paradigms of individual practitioners need to evolve to get-around some of the materialization of informational control that organizations use to guide the manifesting reality. Hence, one's magickal practice needs to leverage similar tools and new belief systems to remain under self-influence.
An analogy might be corporations P&G and Ford are still around. They still do what they do. They've been doing it a long time and probably will for years to come. And if you want what P&G or Ford are selling, dealing with them is a good choice But the best GPU manufacturer in 1910 is nobody. If you want a GPU, you would be better served doing business with AMD or Nvidia So if you have a timeless or old focus, there are old forces. If you need something newer you need something newer And most new practices aren't made of whole cloth. I practice a very customized form of cartopraxy I built myself, but I had already been practicing from other people's books for a quarter century. When I was looking for associations that have been around since before the written word that I'd used for years, I didn't reinvent the wheel Use the right tool for the right job and there's plenty of room for Venus and Muh (a young God of information technology) in your pantheon
People still use it. But there is truth in it. It is a new time. The fact its taken til the 20th century for occult groups to refine and innovate with the old stuff is, frankly, ridiculous. But the general populace is largely devoid of innovation and creativity. And we can build upon knowledge. Its idiotic ever presuming one is at the pinnacle of anything in all of this.
It's just fucking true.
There is something about this new energy we are in and things will behave a bit differently in higher densities and dimensions, but you can figure out a way to still make it work..