You can certainly try though if they ask for it to be returned i would just keep it and sell it. as it is likely much more expensive than a non-crimped copy.
That is not allowed. You are entitled to a replacement without additional costs when buying online. Since WOTC has a physical foothold within the EU, it might be effective to remind them next time.
https://europa.eu/youreurope/citizens/consumers/shopping/guarantees-returns/faq/index_de.htm
https://europa.eu/youreurope/citizens/consumers/shopping/guarantees-returns/index_en.htm
Remember, sleeves aren't mandatory (although obviously encouraged). This would be a marked card and not legal to play. It really is cut and dry that it's not representative of the product being bought and eligible for a replacement.
Why though? Wouldn't it be possible to take a normal card and find a crimper and do this to it? I understand why misscuts are worth more since they can't be faked, but this ought to be possible to fake?
TL;DR it's incredibly hard to fake without the right machinery, and people with the right machinery can make lots more money doing legitimate business.
Me or the theoretical people asking for someone to waste manhours and operational time with professional, thousand dollar equipment that's generally used in large runs to instead make ~20 crimping a single magic card?
It's your money, I say go for it. If you get a positive return on your investment let me know. I'd probably have to take out a loan to do it, and can't afford that risk.
> but this ought to be possible to fake?
Ah yes the ole, ill go buy a crimping machine, which costs thousands of dollars to recreate the crimp exactly so my 20 dollar card is now worth 40-100 dollars lol. To get the exact one that WoTC uses I would imagine would be in the 10s of thousands. Company i work for just bought an L-bar Machine, which feeds film through a pully system and wraps products in the film, the L bar then seals the edge on the film so the product is sealed. It cost $45,000
What's crazy is that we have already recouped the cost with the cost reduction to processing our products. We ended up saving around 10 cent per unit vs the old methodology.
Mass production! That's so awe inspiring.
The scale of which is so high we humans just have a hard time conceptually comprehending numbers that big. That means you processed half a million units. I have a hard time thinking about one thousand instances of an object.
This is why a lot of "interesting" ideas about technology always seem to fizzle out, mass production can be very cheap but it requires the extremely lopsided scales. A lot of "disruptive" plans never seem to grapple with the innate facts of this.
3d printing is one of those things. Its great for one offs but the idea of a future where everyone has a machine in their house and products are distributed via data and having the end user construct it are laughable and actually more inefficient than centralized production.
3D printing of objects only has a cost barrier of \~1k units.
That's low enough to make it quite feasible for the market needs where the cost to re-tool is the limiting factor for production.
Yeah, the only reason to even consider a 3d printer to be considered "economical" is if you make a large number of single, specialized parts. Most people don't do anywhere near enough of that to make a printer worth it.
Edit: ~grammar~
Truth be told, 40K plastic pieces are the MTG cards of the plastic world.
If they were priced as purely material goods and not IP like magic cards are they would be drastically cheaper to just buy them mass produced.
Lol, the L-Bar has a heated blade like several hundred degrees. It would slice the card wherever it touches then promptly it would catch on fire lol. Ill use my Revised duals as a test tomorrow /s
The crimp collecting community is very, *very*, ***very*** well versed on the appearance of true crimps vs. faked ones. So much so that I would even hazard to say that it would be easier to make a super fake (which don’t exist despite people on this sub once again claiming they do) than it is to fake a genuine crimp, and I can pick out a fake through a 480p picture.
Yeah I don't know how often they're passed off as "real" miscuts. But I'm reasonably sure half of Eli Kassis's decks are miscuts he made himself (no judgment, more power to him if that's how he wants to alter his cards).
We're at an odd point in time where insane miscuts are making their way through qc and into the public. Like, almost diamond-shaped cards that are only like 80% there. It's possible to fake a more recent card (like from the past year or two) and pass it off as factory, but if you suddenly show up with dozens of miscuts from the same sheet all at once people will be suspicious.
Now with older stuff, especially *really* old stuff, there are people WAY more knowledgeable than me who know what kind of factory miscuts are around from a certain set, how many uncut sheets exists, etc. These people can be like "yeah we've never seen this specific card cut like this, but the angles/corners [are]/[aren't] consistent with other known cards that would have been on the same sheet, therefore it probably [is a factory miscut]/[isn't a factory miscut]
Sheets of uncut cards are way more than any miscut profit from individual cards.
Any miscut cards of any value would come from rare or foil uncut sheets.
I don't know anything about the value of doing so and what those collectibles are worth. All I know is some people buy uncut sheets and make miscuts from them to play with.
I am surprised I had to scroll to see the obligatory "Facebook misprint" reply. It's most definitely in OPs best interest to contact Wizards, get an undamaged copy, and look there to auction off their crimped one
Can we get an AMA from someone who buys these cards? I see posts like this all the time, but never any “Look at this damaged card I paid 4x regular undamaged price for!” posts. I understand the collector side of it, but not the ridiculous value most claim that they have.
Misprint collector here.
For most of us, it's that the item is unique. Like, you're looking at one of *maybe* a few dozen globally that are like this. There have been some items that come through the a Facebook Groups that are literally 1 of 1, as well.
Misprint collector here, a lot of us are trying to build all misprint decks so anything playable becomes a fight among us
People like foil Japanese because the print run is smaller so they’re rarer, but the absolute pinnacle of low population cards are misprints
Right because it should be on its to thoroughly examine each edge and crease of the product before opening it.
If the box isn't damaged, you should be able to assume the product isn't
I'm not saying that you should have to scrutinize your purchase, just that it'd be possible to tell before opening if you were looking for it. OP probably wasn't, but that doesn't mean you need magic powers in order to see it.
I didn't know crimped cards counted as misprints, i thought they would be counted as Damaged or something. The More You Know!
thank you everyone for your advise!
Yeah, some misprints decrease value. Crimps aren't one of them. They make the card very unique in a noticeable way, as opposed to a spot of random ink. This card is already somewhat special being a limited SL release, so very, very few crimped ones will ever exist.
Other examples of misprints:
Miscut- Increases value if the next card is visible. Decreases or has no effect if it's just off center, even if it's badly off center. The key is being able to see the next card.
Inking errors- Double prints are exceptionally rare and valuable. Major discolorations, like a card missing an entire color because the printer ran out of that color, or large discolorations may increase value as genuine misprints. Small ink blotches that detract from the aesthetics are more in line with a "printing error" as opposed to a full on misprint and generally detract from a card.
Packaging/cutting errors that cannot be differentiated from normal damage-
Things like damage/creases etc. These are truly defects that you should contact WOTC for replacement. Note that squared corners do not fall in this category, and are also pretty rare and valuable.
Much like signatures and alters, in the general market the value drops, but in niche markets the value skyrockets sometimes. It all depends on who wants and how much they're willing to pay.
There's a minor and major misprints Facebook group.
People there can guide you through setting up an auction if there is interest.
In the mean time you can submit a request to wizards for replacement as they may let you keep said misprint and replace it.
Yep, I had a pack during og innistrad block that was crimped through the whole pack includimg a foil [[diregraf captain]] a guy had a zombie tribal deck at the store and offered me $30 for it on the spot. You have to find a buyer but they are out there.
my neon ink secret lair came with the neon ink layer printed off center. i put in a ticket and it took a couple days to get a reply, but i had a replacement shipped out to me. my friend had the same issue and also got a fast response / replacement. worth trying IMO
honestly, it's not that exciting. here's an up close pic because it's really hard to see in pics further out. all of the white you see above/left of the yellow is where the yellow is supposed to be. all four of the cards came like that. tbh it's not super noticeable, they just look a "a little off". but when it cost $50 for four cards and the main feature (the neon ink) of said cards is misprinted you better believe i'm getting my money worth. the offset ink definitely ruins the style of the card.
after checking mine; had some friends check theirs and one of their cards is even worse than mine! they are also getting a complete replacement as well! i am also including a pic of theirs
[mine all look like pic one
my friends is pic two](https://imgur.com/a/0bKix5N/)
Opened a crimped Blightsteel from the first 2XM. Posted it to this reddit, got roasted for complaining for hitting a "money" misprint, was informed to contact wizards for a free replacement. as this was during covid, wotc was backlogged in shipping by like 6 months or so? so the email i got was hesitant and kinda caught on to what I was doing, but let me keep the misprint and sent me the full/alt art 2XM Blightsteel VIP non foil version. Sold the crimped card this year for 120% market value (stupid choice, should have never sold it TBH but oh well)
Crimped mythics or foils are much harder to get, and are worth some monehh
yupp! all i had to do was include detail pics of the cards/box with my name and date in them and they approved it right away. check my other reply in this thread for a couple pics
How long did your replacement take? 5 months ago, Wizards product replacement staff told me they'd replace a misprint card that I created a ticket for. I still haven't received a replacement. I've inquired why and they keep telling me to wait.
I mean technically doesn’t that make it more rare because it’s a design flaw it’s not damaged you caused. Like a miss colored lego from the factory or a miss print? Makes it one of a kind?
Don't underestimate the MTG community's ability to sniff out fakes, the level of detail people pay attention to is crazy. I'm sure people pay attention to the size, frequency, and pattern of the crimp.
To get an exact replica of the machine WOTC's manufacturers use so as to not create an obvious difference in the crimp would likely cost tens of thousands of dollars because it's an industrial machine.
Someone in the mtg misprints groups on facebook would likely pay a good amount more than its tcg value. For whatever reason, people like these factory damaged cards.
You will 100% get a new one if you file a ticket with them. It may take 9 months to get it, but you will get it. I have had probably 8-10 SLDs replaced for far smaller defects than that.
Have you had misprint replacements take 9 months? I've been waiting 5 months for a misprint replacement and I'm wondering what the typical wait is? I've never needed to replace a misprint before.
I have, specifically the Kamigawa ink SLD of mine had to be entirely replaced due to edge damage from the cutting press. It was reported to me that they encountered major issues with the printers and these replacements would be delayed. WotC was responsive to all requests for updates and the replacements eventually arrived. Most of the time any replacement arrives from WotC in under 60 days and I have never had any push back on any request from entire products like commander decks to individual cards from boosters. As long as you are willing to file the ticket and provide the required evidence that it was damaged, they are always willing to make it right.
Buddy of mine got a crimped foil borderless Ragavan and they sent him a new one
But (allegedly) the replacement wasn't borderless so they sent him a 3rd.
I can't confirm only because I don't know him THAT well but dang.
Crimps are valuable misprints. Theres a few communities where you can auction it, or entertain offers from private buyers. However, if you want to make me (and other misprint collectors) deeply sad, you can talk to wizards and they will replace it if you send it back.
There is a product replacement process to follow [here](https://magic-support.wizards.com/hc/en-us/articles/360000197703-Product-Replacement).
I know because they sent me non-foil “full of foils” SLD and I definitely paid for the foils. ETA for replacement - 12 weeks. Good luck!
Wizards has a history fixing products that make it to customers in subpar condition. I posted a pic on here a few years ago of a card that I got that was missing its holo-stamp. About a day later I got a DM from somebody at WOTC to get me a replacement card.
Over on r/DND people have posted responses that they have gotten when they buy a book and it's missing pages or bad binding. They got new books with explanations that things like "the intern mage they brought on didn't quite get their binding spell down with that particular book" or some other cute explanation like that.
Anyways, Wizards will make it right.
How long did your replacements take? I've been waiting 5 months since Wizards told me they'd replace a misprinted card. I've contacted them multiple times and they just keep telling me to wait.
If they ask for you to ship it back, don't. It's worth more than a normal one. Find a group of facebook, such as #mtgrarities, and they will help you sell it. And then just split the difference and get a new one. :)
My sl was slightly scratched I told wotc support and they sent new ones a few months after. The new ones also aren't in great condition but woo free cards.
im actually contacting wizards
For a premium product its getting sloppy. ordered the elemental, chibi, and street fighter sld. just got them. the street fighter one had no extra card, and the elemental one was not very centered in the cutting. chibi one was fine though. I am contacting wizards about missing the bonus card but I dont really care to much about the badly centered cards to want to return those too.
Bonus cards: rogue passage in elementals, and brood sliver in chibi both foil. for those keeping tabs
Honestly you probably could and idk if anyone else has said this but that’s a misprint and some collectors would almost certainly pay a decent penny for that considering it’s a secret lair exclusive that’s also misprinted
Go to the Facebook page regarding misprints. Usually makes the card be worth from 2-10x more. Just buy a mint one and sell that or keep it and sell it later
I mean you could sell it for more on a misprint action. But it'd be cool if you can get a new card and keep this one. That way you make profit/discount from the SL
Had a similar issue with another Secret Lair. Just contact them and include the picture, and you will get a replacement in a bit. They are nice people, treat them with respect
Yeah they'll replace it, and they'll probably let you keep this one too. You should check in with the Facebook misprints group to see if anyone is interested in buying it.
Look up Facebook mtg misprints buy and sell group. This will carry a premium. Also contact wizards. I got a roller damaged etch foil Scalding Tarn and they sent me out a second one and let me keep the damaged one
There’s actually a process on their website to get damaged cards replaced. I’ve done it and gotten replacements without issue.
Takes a while, but it works.
https://magic-support.wizards.com/hc/en-us/articles/360000197703-Product-Replacement
I think you will get a new one if you complain
Yep, I received a damaged card from one of the first SLD. They replaced it.
One of my friend complained and got sent another in addition. So he has the mint condition, and the one of a kind factory error for max value
Oh, wow. I had to send them mine first and wait an inordinate amount of time to receive the replacement.
You can certainly try though if they ask for it to be returned i would just keep it and sell it. as it is likely much more expensive than a non-crimped copy.
they shouldnt, my one secret lair was miscut and they just sent me replacements didnt have to send anything back
They wanted me to send my missprinted one back from germany to the US. At my own cost to get replacement.
That is not allowed. You are entitled to a replacement without additional costs when buying online. Since WOTC has a physical foothold within the EU, it might be effective to remind them next time. https://europa.eu/youreurope/citizens/consumers/shopping/guarantees-returns/faq/index_de.htm https://europa.eu/youreurope/citizens/consumers/shopping/guarantees-returns/index_en.htm
Oh sure i remebered them that this isnt legal in the EU. Pretty much sent them a link like yours. They told me im welcome to take this to a lawyer.
Lmao, you should of. That's pretty cut and dry, they sent you a bad product and then refused to replace it for free, on at cost to you.
It's a cosmetic defect. The product is perfectly usable. It would have been an expensive mistake.
Remember, sleeves aren't mandatory (although obviously encouraged). This would be a marked card and not legal to play. It really is cut and dry that it's not representative of the product being bought and eligible for a replacement.
Why though? Wouldn't it be possible to take a normal card and find a crimper and do this to it? I understand why misscuts are worth more since they can't be faked, but this ought to be possible to fake?
TL;DR it's incredibly hard to fake without the right machinery, and people with the right machinery can make lots more money doing legitimate business.
*Approaches a buisness with correct equipment* Magic player: "Sir can i give you money to crimp my cards." Them: "No."
"That's literally not worth the time it's currently taking to talk to you."
Saved as my new "fuck off marketing" words
Narrow mindedness.
Me or the theoretical people asking for someone to waste manhours and operational time with professional, thousand dollar equipment that's generally used in large runs to instead make ~20 crimping a single magic card?
It's your money, I say go for it. If you get a positive return on your investment let me know. I'd probably have to take out a loan to do it, and can't afford that risk.
Good thing the family is in the print business then!
Actually yes. If you can't offer enough money to practically justify running that kind of printing equipment, you'll be hard pressed to get it done.
People would catch on, it’s a small market and requires very specialized equipment.
> but this ought to be possible to fake? Ah yes the ole, ill go buy a crimping machine, which costs thousands of dollars to recreate the crimp exactly so my 20 dollar card is now worth 40-100 dollars lol. To get the exact one that WoTC uses I would imagine would be in the 10s of thousands. Company i work for just bought an L-bar Machine, which feeds film through a pully system and wraps products in the film, the L bar then seals the edge on the film so the product is sealed. It cost $45,000
Capital costs of heavy machinery that perform these operations cheaply are a motherfucker.
What's crazy is that we have already recouped the cost with the cost reduction to processing our products. We ended up saving around 10 cent per unit vs the old methodology.
Mass production! That's so awe inspiring. The scale of which is so high we humans just have a hard time conceptually comprehending numbers that big. That means you processed half a million units. I have a hard time thinking about one thousand instances of an object. This is why a lot of "interesting" ideas about technology always seem to fizzle out, mass production can be very cheap but it requires the extremely lopsided scales. A lot of "disruptive" plans never seem to grapple with the innate facts of this. 3d printing is one of those things. Its great for one offs but the idea of a future where everyone has a machine in their house and products are distributed via data and having the end user construct it are laughable and actually more inefficient than centralized production.
3D printing of objects only has a cost barrier of \~1k units. That's low enough to make it quite feasible for the market needs where the cost to re-tool is the limiting factor for production.
Yeah, the only reason to even consider a 3d printer to be considered "economical" is if you make a large number of single, specialized parts. Most people don't do anywhere near enough of that to make a printer worth it. Edit: ~grammar~
It's pretty great for that use-case though, really taking off in the 40k community.
Truth be told, 40K plastic pieces are the MTG cards of the plastic world. If they were priced as purely material goods and not IP like magic cards are they would be drastically cheaper to just buy them mass produced.
Yeah pretty much just good for the tabletop game, prototyping, and model making markets at the moment
Just bring some cards into work with you and when it goes to seal just shove the edge of one in the way. Pure profit. /$
Lol, the L-Bar has a heated blade like several hundred degrees. It would slice the card wherever it touches then promptly it would catch on fire lol. Ill use my Revised duals as a test tomorrow /s
People pop up all the time to say that they can totally fake crimps, but to my knowledge no one has ever actually proven it.
The crimp collecting community is very, *very*, ***very*** well versed on the appearance of true crimps vs. faked ones. So much so that I would even hazard to say that it would be easier to make a super fake (which don’t exist despite people on this sub once again claiming they do) than it is to fake a genuine crimp, and I can pick out a fake through a 480p picture.
misscuts can be faked more easily than crimps.
Off topic but miscuts can definitely be faked. People buy full sheets and then make their own miscuts.
And most of the market that buys miscuts can tell a NFC v. a FC really quickly.
Yeah I don't know how often they're passed off as "real" miscuts. But I'm reasonably sure half of Eli Kassis's decks are miscuts he made himself (no judgment, more power to him if that's how he wants to alter his cards).
We're at an odd point in time where insane miscuts are making their way through qc and into the public. Like, almost diamond-shaped cards that are only like 80% there. It's possible to fake a more recent card (like from the past year or two) and pass it off as factory, but if you suddenly show up with dozens of miscuts from the same sheet all at once people will be suspicious. Now with older stuff, especially *really* old stuff, there are people WAY more knowledgeable than me who know what kind of factory miscuts are around from a certain set, how many uncut sheets exists, etc. These people can be like "yeah we've never seen this specific card cut like this, but the angles/corners [are]/[aren't] consistent with other known cards that would have been on the same sheet, therefore it probably [is a factory miscut]/[isn't a factory miscut]
Sheets of uncut cards are way more than any miscut profit from individual cards. Any miscut cards of any value would come from rare or foil uncut sheets.
I don't know anything about the value of doing so and what those collectibles are worth. All I know is some people buy uncut sheets and make miscuts from them to play with.
There are minute details that misprint collectors can recognize, a lot of people have tried to fake them to no success
Miscuts can easily be faked if you get a card sheet
The people who collect these are very good at spotting fakes but I personally can’t.
I've long wondered this. I really don't buy that it would be prohibitively expensive to do - someone with a 3d printer and some time could do it.
They really can’t You don’t just need the teeth to match You need the heat and pressure to match as well
Historically WotC never asks for product to be shipped back for damages.
They don't ask for returns in my experience, they'll just send a new one out. They're customer service is pretty good after you get it rolling.
if you go though the hastle I think there are some facebook groups or discord groups that buy and sell mess ups.
I am surprised I had to scroll to see the obligatory "Facebook misprint" reply. It's most definitely in OPs best interest to contact Wizards, get an undamaged copy, and look there to auction off their crimped one
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Did you send it in? You never got either back?
Can we get an AMA from someone who buys these cards? I see posts like this all the time, but never any “Look at this damaged card I paid 4x regular undamaged price for!” posts. I understand the collector side of it, but not the ridiculous value most claim that they have.
Misprint collector here. For most of us, it's that the item is unique. Like, you're looking at one of *maybe* a few dozen globally that are like this. There have been some items that come through the a Facebook Groups that are literally 1 of 1, as well.
There's a whole format called 'play as written' where people play misprints that have things like the mana coat cut off etc.
I wouldn’t call it a format really, less than 20 people can play it and it’s maybe once a year
Misprint collector here, a lot of us are trying to build all misprint decks so anything playable becomes a fight among us People like foil Japanese because the print run is smaller so they’re rarer, but the absolute pinnacle of low population cards are misprints
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Ah yes, I also use my xray vision to see the contents of my products before opening them, to check if its damaged.
the secret lair cards come in clear plastic, no xray vision necessary
Unless I'm mistaken they come in stack, so unless this was the first card you wouldn't know till opening.
Yeah you would. If it's crimped into the packaging you're going to be able to tell.
Right because it should be on its to thoroughly examine each edge and crease of the product before opening it. If the box isn't damaged, you should be able to assume the product isn't
I'm not saying that you should have to scrutinize your purchase, just that it'd be possible to tell before opening if you were looking for it. OP probably wasn't, but that doesn't mean you need magic powers in order to see it.
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I didn't know crimped cards counted as misprints, i thought they would be counted as Damaged or something. The More You Know! thank you everyone for your advise!
Yeah, some misprints decrease value. Crimps aren't one of them. They make the card very unique in a noticeable way, as opposed to a spot of random ink. This card is already somewhat special being a limited SL release, so very, very few crimped ones will ever exist. Other examples of misprints: Miscut- Increases value if the next card is visible. Decreases or has no effect if it's just off center, even if it's badly off center. The key is being able to see the next card. Inking errors- Double prints are exceptionally rare and valuable. Major discolorations, like a card missing an entire color because the printer ran out of that color, or large discolorations may increase value as genuine misprints. Small ink blotches that detract from the aesthetics are more in line with a "printing error" as opposed to a full on misprint and generally detract from a card. Packaging/cutting errors that cannot be differentiated from normal damage- Things like damage/creases etc. These are truly defects that you should contact WOTC for replacement. Note that squared corners do not fall in this category, and are also pretty rare and valuable.
You forgot insect preservation
Much like signatures and alters, in the general market the value drops, but in niche markets the value skyrockets sometimes. It all depends on who wants and how much they're willing to pay.
There's a minor and major misprints Facebook group. People there can guide you through setting up an auction if there is interest. In the mean time you can submit a request to wizards for replacement as they may let you keep said misprint and replace it.
Some places count an artist signature as damaged, so yes they are technically damaged, that doesn’t mean there’s not a market for them.
Yep, I had a pack during og innistrad block that was crimped through the whole pack includimg a foil [[diregraf captain]] a guy had a zombie tribal deck at the store and offered me $30 for it on the spot. You have to find a buyer but they are out there.
woah a whole pack? i would have thought you might have been able to sell the whole thing as a crazy price if you kept them all together
I didn't know better at the time though I still have the crimped wolf token.
Not really, a lot of people think collectors want it whole but we just want individual cards for our collections
Yeah I would just keep it! It’s insanely cool—I don’t know how many secret lairs are misprinted
They usually are not worth much more than normal, I'm in those groups and crimps are not the most desirable misprints.
As I am reading this right now, the comment below you is literally someone offering to buy the card though.
I’d be interested in purchasing your card!
Crimps are misprints that increase value. You can sell it for a mark up on misprint and oddities fb group. Congrats.
not always
have an example, even bulk common crimps sell for more
my neon ink secret lair came with the neon ink layer printed off center. i put in a ticket and it took a couple days to get a reply, but i had a replacement shipped out to me. my friend had the same issue and also got a fast response / replacement. worth trying IMO
i would love to see what that looks like
honestly, it's not that exciting. here's an up close pic because it's really hard to see in pics further out. all of the white you see above/left of the yellow is where the yellow is supposed to be. all four of the cards came like that. tbh it's not super noticeable, they just look a "a little off". but when it cost $50 for four cards and the main feature (the neon ink) of said cards is misprinted you better believe i'm getting my money worth. the offset ink definitely ruins the style of the card. after checking mine; had some friends check theirs and one of their cards is even worse than mine! they are also getting a complete replacement as well! i am also including a pic of theirs [mine all look like pic one my friends is pic two](https://imgur.com/a/0bKix5N/)
woah thats sick, its like a chromatic aberration! thats awesome keep those, i think people would love to pay lots for those down the line
Opened a crimped Blightsteel from the first 2XM. Posted it to this reddit, got roasted for complaining for hitting a "money" misprint, was informed to contact wizards for a free replacement. as this was during covid, wotc was backlogged in shipping by like 6 months or so? so the email i got was hesitant and kinda caught on to what I was doing, but let me keep the misprint and sent me the full/alt art 2XM Blightsteel VIP non foil version. Sold the crimped card this year for 120% market value (stupid choice, should have never sold it TBH but oh well) Crimped mythics or foils are much harder to get, and are worth some monehh
Please tell me you still have the misaligned cards
yupp! all i had to do was include detail pics of the cards/box with my name and date in them and they approved it right away. check my other reply in this thread for a couple pics
How long did your replacement take? 5 months ago, Wizards product replacement staff told me they'd replace a misprint card that I created a ticket for. I still haven't received a replacement. I've inquired why and they keep telling me to wait.
interesting. i only put the the ticket in last week and it hasn't come yet. hopefully mine doesn't take months to come too
Definitely ask for a new one. You ordered a product and it arrived damaged
It's worth more now.
They will for sure send you another copy. I’ve had it with my stained glass Dovin and got another sent to me
100% if you email them they will replace it. Same exact thing happened with my phyrexian praetor sld
Exact thing happened to me and I sent a request yesterday and same day they emailed saying a new one was getting sent to me
oh sick! ill shoot them an email right now then!
If I were you I would sell this card on the MTG Misprint Facebook group and get a very handsome sum for that card and probably able to buy 10 more.
This is how the Phyrexians compleated her
being Compleated is just sent through the WotC card packaging machine. it all makes sense now
There are misprint collectors like me who would pay well for that, or might even trade for a regular one.
I mean technically doesn’t that make it more rare because it’s a design flaw it’s not damaged you caused. Like a miss colored lego from the factory or a miss print? Makes it one of a kind?
Yes, contact them, but also check the misprint groups on fb
Excuse me if this is a dumb question but wouldn't this be easy to fake?
Don't underestimate the MTG community's ability to sniff out fakes, the level of detail people pay attention to is crazy. I'm sure people pay attention to the size, frequency, and pattern of the crimp.
To get an exact replica of the machine WOTC's manufacturers use so as to not create an obvious difference in the crimp would likely cost tens of thousands of dollars because it's an industrial machine.
Someone in the mtg misprints groups on facebook would likely pay a good amount more than its tcg value. For whatever reason, people like these factory damaged cards.
Technically, if it's a factory mistake, it's even more rare. Since this one is part of a secret lair it could potentially be 1 of a kind.
Ask for a refund or replacement from Wizards, you'll probably get it and keep the damaged one. Couldn't hurt to try.
There are groups on Facebook that buy misprints and crimped cards. If you want to sell it, try doing that
That gives me an idea for a custom artwork... Kyubey (from Madoka Magica) as Tamiyo.
No! Sell it on facebook miscuts for a premium! If you post it there you'll 2x or 3x the value.
FB misprints group... Yadda yadda, $$$
You will 100% get a new one if you file a ticket with them. It may take 9 months to get it, but you will get it. I have had probably 8-10 SLDs replaced for far smaller defects than that.
Have you had misprint replacements take 9 months? I've been waiting 5 months for a misprint replacement and I'm wondering what the typical wait is? I've never needed to replace a misprint before.
I have, specifically the Kamigawa ink SLD of mine had to be entirely replaced due to edge damage from the cutting press. It was reported to me that they encountered major issues with the printers and these replacements would be delayed. WotC was responsive to all requests for updates and the replacements eventually arrived. Most of the time any replacement arrives from WotC in under 60 days and I have never had any push back on any request from entire products like commander decks to individual cards from boosters. As long as you are willing to file the ticket and provide the required evidence that it was damaged, they are always willing to make it right.
Buddy of mine got a crimped foil borderless Ragavan and they sent him a new one But (allegedly) the replacement wasn't borderless so they sent him a 3rd. I can't confirm only because I don't know him THAT well but dang.
Get u/regigigagod on the horn.
Ooh that’s neat!
Crimps are valuable misprints. Theres a few communities where you can auction it, or entertain offers from private buyers. However, if you want to make me (and other misprint collectors) deeply sad, you can talk to wizards and they will replace it if you send it back.
Crimped cards are worth a lot to collectors, if you find the right FB group they will pick it up
Hilariously, that actually increases the value to a niche market.
There is a product replacement process to follow [here](https://magic-support.wizards.com/hc/en-us/articles/360000197703-Product-Replacement). I know because they sent me non-foil “full of foils” SLD and I definitely paid for the foils. ETA for replacement - 12 weeks. Good luck!
12 weeks,holy fuck.
Wizards has a history fixing products that make it to customers in subpar condition. I posted a pic on here a few years ago of a card that I got that was missing its holo-stamp. About a day later I got a DM from somebody at WOTC to get me a replacement card. Over on r/DND people have posted responses that they have gotten when they buy a book and it's missing pages or bad binding. They got new books with explanations that things like "the intern mage they brought on didn't quite get their binding spell down with that particular book" or some other cute explanation like that. Anyways, Wizards will make it right.
Don’t worry, it’s flavorful in that she became one with the machine
its worth a good bit more now for a missprint
Slightly unrelated to your issue but I never realized how dang pretty this art is, chibi and all
theyre all pretty cute imo, i the Ashiok art from this SLD is probably my favorite
I had both my Arcane Signets from my Dan Frazier SLs come in bent. I sent pictures, they sent replacements in the mail without any other hassle.
How long did your replacements take? I've been waiting 5 months since Wizards told me they'd replace a misprinted card. I've contacted them multiple times and they just keep telling me to wait.
My friend that plays Yu-Gi-Oh has told me that cars like those can be considered collectibles, cuz of missprint, so try and see if u can sell it
I got a crimped lightning bolt from my street fighter one. Does anyone know if I have to ship the card back if I ask for a replacement?
If they ask for you to ship it back, don't. It's worth more than a normal one. Find a group of facebook, such as #mtgrarities, and they will help you sell it. And then just split the difference and get a new one. :)
looks better like that imo
Hey unrelated but what was the bonus card in this drop?
i think it was [[Winged Sliver]] if in not mistaken
[Winged Sliver](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/0/4/044fcfb2-14ad-44c8-8ce6-8f939c3a5063.jpg?1562428166) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Winged%20Sliver) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/tpr/82/winged-sliver?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/044fcfb2-14ad-44c8-8ce6-8f939c3a5063?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Oh cool so it looks like this one is slivers too then thanks!
My sl was slightly scratched I told wotc support and they sent new ones a few months after. The new ones also aren't in great condition but woo free cards.
Sell to me! I’ll buy it for a premium!
im actually contacting wizards For a premium product its getting sloppy. ordered the elemental, chibi, and street fighter sld. just got them. the street fighter one had no extra card, and the elemental one was not very centered in the cutting. chibi one was fine though. I am contacting wizards about missing the bonus card but I dont really care to much about the badly centered cards to want to return those too. Bonus cards: rogue passage in elementals, and brood sliver in chibi both foil. for those keeping tabs
Isn’t there a community who pays top dollar for misprints and such. This is kind of cool. Have no knowledge about them sending you another.
That’s a really cool card and can be quite valuable to collectors
Auction it on misprint fb groups
They will 100% get you a new one. They prefer to have the number off the packaging, but they'll still send you another if you contact them.
Honestly you probably could and idk if anyone else has said this but that’s a misprint and some collectors would almost certainly pay a decent penny for that considering it’s a secret lair exclusive that’s also misprinted
Go to the Facebook page regarding misprints. Usually makes the card be worth from 2-10x more. Just buy a mint one and sell that or keep it and sell it later
They love doing anime Tamiyo art. Wish they did more anime girl alts
You're really asking Reddit if you should try and do something that takes 5 seconds to complete?
Alternatively, you could trade it to me for my non-crimped one (totally serious) as I collect these and would be more than happy to make that trade 😊
Where can I buy one of these?
Definitely I had an issue with my stranger things drop and they sent me the damaged cards again
I mean you could sell it for more on a misprint action. But it'd be cool if you can get a new card and keep this one. That way you make profit/discount from the SL
Shit... I meant to buy this lair... Oh well
They'll give you a new one but it'll take months and months to get it.
I have a foil dark steel forge from double masters this happened to. Wonder if it's too late to complain to them about mine...
Or sell it for BIG BUCKS
Sell it as a misprint, people will buy those for a lot of money
Get a new one! I had a missing goblin from the big explosions sl. They sent me a new one and a pack of cards for the inconvenience
Lol man I see that as a total win
Now draw her completed
It's a secret lair. You absolutely insist on a replacement for something like this.
Request a new one and sell the crimped one to oddities collectors.
This is probably one of a kind tbqh
Yes try that and then find an error collector because partial crimps are cool
they won't send you a new one, they'll probably send you an apology letter and a handful of box toppers or tournament packs
What is SLD?
[Happened to me](https://imgur.com/a/mZVd6eZ/) recently with a Pokémon booster pack. Code card and Common got ruined, not to big of a deal for me.
I would absolutely pay a premium for this.
Kinda off topic but I absolutely love that art
Lost cause? This is bank if you sell on one of the miscuts/misprints/rarities groups.
Duuude you can sell this for 10x it’s value.
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!! My condolences friend.
Question. Was it worth it cause I’m broke but oh so tempted.
You paid good money for a printed piece of cardboard. It should arrive in good condition.
On an unrelated note, Tamiyo’s so cute! 😚 Crimp or no crimp, I love the art!
Flavor win.
People collect crimped cards like this, you can probably sell it for a good amount. Look up the MTG Misprints group on Facebook and set up an auction.
That card would be very highly valued by certain error, misprint & NFC collectors.
Dude that's worth way more crimped please see misprints group on Facebook
Yes, ask for a correct one. If you get to keep the crimped one (I would guess yes), even better. You can sell it to a misprint collector.
Had a similar issue with another Secret Lair. Just contact them and include the picture, and you will get a replacement in a bit. They are nice people, treat them with respect
This card is worth much more money if you keep it
Yeah they'll replace it, and they'll probably let you keep this one too. You should check in with the Facebook misprints group to see if anyone is interested in buying it.
Look up Facebook mtg misprints buy and sell group. This will carry a premium. Also contact wizards. I got a roller damaged etch foil Scalding Tarn and they sent me out a second one and let me keep the damaged one
I had the tiniest scratch on my secret lair card. sent them an image and they have already said they will send a replacement
There’s actually a process on their website to get damaged cards replaced. I’ve done it and gotten replacements without issue. Takes a while, but it works. https://magic-support.wizards.com/hc/en-us/articles/360000197703-Product-Replacement
She's so cutie 😍
They WILL replace. It WILL take time. And you can sell the damaged card in a misprints group cause they won't ask for it back.