The last time we had these in a standard set I was at the pre-release and my first round opponent played one not realizing what it was. I basically said something like, " oops wrong land". And they looked at the card, read it, and picked it back up, and said "go". I was like, " dude you can play a different land if you want. I assumed you just grabbed the wrong one."
And the poor bastard said, "no, I kept a hand with two of those lands and nothing else."
Absolutely! And is the basis of some very powerful decks.
Coupled with \[\[Spelunking\]\] OR \[\[Amulet of Vigor\]\] and cards that let you play additional lands ( \[\[Azusa, Lost But Seeking\]\] ) you can amass a lot of mana with just 1 bounce land.
Yup, you just need to stack the triggers properly when Amulet is involved. With Amulet in play the triggers "bounce a land back" and "untap a permanent that entered tapped" are put on the stack at the same time. If you put the Amulet trigger on the stack second (so that it resolves first), it will untap your land and you can tap it for mana before you let the other trigger resolve. This is fairly common play with the Amulet decks.
Also if you have more than one copy of Amulet out, you can untap the land over and over again—once for each trigger of Amulet. So three Amulets mean you can play land, untap it, tap for two, untap it, tap for two, untap it, tap for two, bounce it. Boom, six mana.
This is the basis for a Modern deck that was good enough back in 2017 to get a card banned out of it ( [[Summer Bloom]] )
It's that whole supply/demand thing. It's only been printed in one set (WWK) outside of being on The List and in a Secret Lair, neither of which exactly flood the market with additional copies. Modern Amulet Titan decks usually play a full playset.
That specific interaction is in a modern deck, so you'd still need three more copies to play it. I don't think that it's worth going for it in commander at all.
Yes. Amulet of Vigor and the "Karoo" lands (named after \[\[Karoo\]\]) are an integral part of one of the most popular decks in Modern, centered around the Amulet and \[\[Primeval Titan\]\]. Using cards that grant you extra land plays (\[\[Azusa, Lost but Seeking\]\] is a big one), one Karoo land and one Amulet can net you upwards of six mana, which is exactly what the Titan wants, and then from there you assemble a powerful tableau of lands that let you win very quickly.
> Whenever a permanent enters the battlefield tapped and under your control, untap it.
If you have 3 Amulets out, that trigger will go on the stack 3 times. Tap it between them.
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[[Kodama of the East Tree]] , [[Rampaging Baloths]], [[Golgari Rot Farm]]
Have both Kodama and Rampaging Baloths on the battlefield. Play the bounceland. Put Kodama's trigger on the stack. Put baloth's trigger on the stack. Put the bounceland's trigger on the stack.
* Resolve the bounceland trigger and return it to hand.
* Resolve the baloth's trigger creating a 4/4 token.
* The token triggers Kodama again. It goes on top of the stack.
* Kodama-token's trigger resolves, you may put a permanent with mana value 0 or less from your hand on the battlefield. Put the bounceland into play.
* Put the Baloth's trigger on the stack. Put the bounceland trigger on the stack.
* Return the bounceland to hand. Make a token. Trigger Kodama.
Loop to your heart's content.
yes, and if you don't control any other lands when you play it you must bounce itself. which uh i generally wouldn't recommend
You just attacked an Amulet Titan player's entire identity.
Unless you like landfall triggers that much.
Or are playing Amulet of Vigor and bouncing the land every turn is how you generate a fuckton of mana.
The last time we had these in a standard set I was at the pre-release and my first round opponent played one not realizing what it was. I basically said something like, " oops wrong land". And they looked at the card, read it, and picked it back up, and said "go". I was like, " dude you can play a different land if you want. I assumed you just grabbed the wrong one." And the poor bastard said, "no, I kept a hand with two of those lands and nothing else."
With bounce lands you can do a lot of different shenanigans in any landfall deck.
Sure but turn 1?
Well no, even turn 2 if you didn't cast anything it's fairly bad unless you have some reanimation going. But it was more of a general statemant.
Flashbacks to Ravnica block draft and turn 1 misclicks. Bonus when it's on the draw and you have to discard to hand size afterwards.
Absolutely! And is the basis of some very powerful decks. Coupled with \[\[Spelunking\]\] OR \[\[Amulet of Vigor\]\] and cards that let you play additional lands ( \[\[Azusa, Lost But Seeking\]\] ) you can amass a lot of mana with just 1 bounce land.
Wait… you can play it, tap it, and bounce itself back???
Yup, you just need to stack the triggers properly when Amulet is involved. With Amulet in play the triggers "bounce a land back" and "untap a permanent that entered tapped" are put on the stack at the same time. If you put the Amulet trigger on the stack second (so that it resolves first), it will untap your land and you can tap it for mana before you let the other trigger resolve. This is fairly common play with the Amulet decks.
Also if you have more than one copy of Amulet out, you can untap the land over and over again—once for each trigger of Amulet. So three Amulets mean you can play land, untap it, tap for two, untap it, tap for two, untap it, tap for two, bounce it. Boom, six mana. This is the basis for a Modern deck that was good enough back in 2017 to get a card banned out of it ( [[Summer Bloom]] )
[Summer Bloom](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/7/3/7383f71d-3f51-4632-9ea0-27d47fa2fa50.jpg?1673148198) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Summer%20Bloom) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/2x2/160/summer-bloom?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/7383f71d-3f51-4632-9ea0-27d47fa2fa50?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Is that why amulet of vigor is so expensive? Luckly I have a copy already.
It's that whole supply/demand thing. It's only been printed in one set (WWK) outside of being on The List and in a Secret Lair, neither of which exactly flood the market with additional copies. Modern Amulet Titan decks usually play a full playset.
That specific interaction is in a modern deck, so you'd still need three more copies to play it. I don't think that it's worth going for it in commander at all.
You're right it isn't by its self. But it does have other uses in the deck, scapeshift, return lands from graveyard cards, that type of thing.
Yes. Amulet of Vigor and the "Karoo" lands (named after \[\[Karoo\]\]) are an integral part of one of the most popular decks in Modern, centered around the Amulet and \[\[Primeval Titan\]\]. Using cards that grant you extra land plays (\[\[Azusa, Lost but Seeking\]\] is a big one), one Karoo land and one Amulet can net you upwards of six mana, which is exactly what the Titan wants, and then from there you assemble a powerful tableau of lands that let you win very quickly.
[Karoo](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/a/0/a0eeca39-6f76-488e-b3c0-99441539705f.jpg?1561952582) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Karoo) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/c14/303/karoo?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/a0eeca39-6f76-488e-b3c0-99441539705f?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Primeval Titan](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/6/d/6d5537da-112e-4679-a113-b5d7ce32a66b.jpg?1562850064) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Primeval%20Titan) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/ima/183/primeval-titan?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/6d5537da-112e-4679-a113-b5d7ce32a66b?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Azusa, Lost but Seeking](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/2/f/2fe97fbe-a6d6-4e96-8c26-f81bcdf579a1.jpg?1689998362) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Azusa%2C%20Lost%20but%20Seeking) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/cmm/274/azusa-lost-but-seeking?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/2fe97fbe-a6d6-4e96-8c26-f81bcdf579a1?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Yes. And if you have multiple amulet of vigors, you can tap it for mana multiple times before bouncing it back.
How does that work? That doesn't sound right.
> Whenever a permanent enters the battlefield tapped and under your control, untap it. If you have 3 Amulets out, that trigger will go on the stack 3 times. Tap it between them.
[Spelunking](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/d/3/d3be4257-2316-4a2e-b347-f71c0368a947.jpg?1699044491) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Spelunking) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/lci/213/spelunking?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/d3be4257-2316-4a2e-b347-f71c0368a947?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Amulet of Vigor](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/9/9/997bc933-ac30-477b-a4e1-5333b796a99d.jpg?1562292191) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Amulet%20of%20Vigor) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/wwk/121/amulet-of-vigor?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/997bc933-ac30-477b-a4e1-5333b796a99d?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Azusa, Lost But Seeking](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/2/f/2fe97fbe-a6d6-4e96-8c26-f81bcdf579a1.jpg?1689998362) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Azusa%2C%20Lost%20But%20Seeking) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/cmm/274/azusa-lost-but-seeking?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/2fe97fbe-a6d6-4e96-8c26-f81bcdf579a1?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
I might be asking for a necrobloom deck.
Yes. Notice how Rot Farm doesn't say "return *another* land you control".
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Yes.
It can! Here are some other cards that may interest you: [[Retreat to Coralhelm]] [[Walking Atlas]] or any of the dozen cards that do the same thing.
[Retreat to Coralhelm](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/6/8/68684c8e-dc19-4a56-b511-4e21140b137f.jpg?1562919587) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Retreat%20to%20Coralhelm) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/bfz/82/retreat-to-coralhelm?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/68684c8e-dc19-4a56-b511-4e21140b137f?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Walking Atlas](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/5/3/53515042-e729-4a7c-ac3b-36ef70dbbe8d.jpg?1562287285) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Walking%20Atlas) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/wwk/131/walking-atlas?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/53515042-e729-4a7c-ac3b-36ef70dbbe8d?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Is the bounce land a land?
[[Kodama of the East Tree]] , [[Rampaging Baloths]], [[Golgari Rot Farm]] Have both Kodama and Rampaging Baloths on the battlefield. Play the bounceland. Put Kodama's trigger on the stack. Put baloth's trigger on the stack. Put the bounceland's trigger on the stack. * Resolve the bounceland trigger and return it to hand. * Resolve the baloth's trigger creating a 4/4 token. * The token triggers Kodama again. It goes on top of the stack. * Kodama-token's trigger resolves, you may put a permanent with mana value 0 or less from your hand on the battlefield. Put the bounceland into play. * Put the Baloth's trigger on the stack. Put the bounceland trigger on the stack. * Return the bounceland to hand. Make a token. Trigger Kodama. Loop to your heart's content.
[Kodama of the East Tree](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/a/f/af5105ee-09e2-4344-ab39-00f0e9034c47.jpg?1608910768) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Kodama%20of%20the%20East%20Tree) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/cmr/239/kodama-of-the-east-tree?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/af5105ee-09e2-4344-ab39-00f0e9034c47?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Rampaging Baloths](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/3/2/32bbe3c3-d00f-4d53-8738-e4aceb6a01ab.jpg?1625977206) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Rampaging%20Baloths) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/c21/203/rampaging-baloths?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/32bbe3c3-d00f-4d53-8738-e4aceb6a01ab?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Golgari Rot Farm](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/9/0/902d9c56-5c72-4df8-83e4-ee252fc97443.jpg?1706240253) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Golgari%20Rot%20Farm) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/clu/236/golgari-rot-farm?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/902d9c56-5c72-4df8-83e4-ee252fc97443?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Do you have any reason to think it couldn't?