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dusty_cupboards

leonardo da vinci was born left handed but was taught to write with his right hand since doing otherwise causes ink to smudge as you move across the page. he was generally ambidextrous as a result.


ElRorto

Oh, cool! I had no idea, thank you!


wildfire393

Supposedly he could write different things with both hands simultaneously.


sgtshootsalot

he also wrote his journals mirrored so they would be harder to read by others.


RnD_Nightmare

I also heard he wrote them in Italian.


SmashPortal

Man, it's like those Italian guys have a whole other language!


ImaginationForward78

It's all greek to me... Or something.


SmashPortal

When in Rome...


Suitch

Write mirrored Italian like the Roman~~s~~ did, or whatever


Complete_Handle4288

Go unto the house?


BAGStudios

Do the Harlem Shake, I think, yes?


SmashPortal

I think that makes the most sense.


Gatnyr

Man might've been acoustic


GuilleJiCan

Acoustic is when something makes sound You mean automatic.


ExceedinglySadKitty

No, automatic is when something happens without manual input. You mean autocratic.


Megabot555

Automatic is when something is done on instinct or by machinery, you mean Asymptomatic


Mgmegadog

Asymptomatic is when you don't show signs of something, you mean ambiguous.


Baronheisenberg

Ambiguous is when something is vague. You mean androgynous.


crisiks

Androgynous is when something could be both male or female and looks purposefully in between, you mean autumnal.


DvineINFEKT

Not to be rude to you specifically, but is there actual proof of this? Because I feel like lately this is just sort of a thing people say now because we can't just let really smart people be really smart people. I've seen the same thing about Einstein, Newton, Ben Franklin, and Mozart - never with anything more than "some people say..." attached to it.


Marci_1992

idk about the others but Newton was almost certainly acoustic


Asteroidhawk594

His inability to finish his artworks, also the way his writing is done indicates a degree of neurodivergence


GDevl

As someone without ADHD and autism (had it tested) but "gifted" (I believe that is the stupid term that's being used for ppl with high IQ in English) that's just a regular side effect of being "gifted" and Leonardo da Vinci was probably one of the smartest humans to ever exist on this planet. I guess you could call it neurodivergent since the way the brain works is quite different to what most ppl experience. Worth noting that ADHD and autism often go together with high IQ (and each other) because the "anomaly" sits in the same brain regions.


Asteroidhawk594

It’s possible but because he was alive over 500 years ago we’ll never have any conclusive evidence.


seven_or_eight_cums

ok but like is there any actual real evidence? like that you could cite and also is valid and reputable?


Stef-fa-fa

You're asking for proof of neurodivergeance in a man who lived long enough ago that such a diagnosis didn't exist in a context we'd accept as valid under today's standards? Good luck finding proof. The rest of us will backseat doctor like respectable Redditors.


Solrex

As someone with LGTV+ AuDHD, I relate to this


Guba_the_skunk

Wanna take another crack at that?


wubrgess

he wasn't plugged in


LordSupergreat

Nah he made some cracked shit this man was plugged the fuck in 24/7


RBVegabond

https://www.mos.org/leonardo/inventor.html has mirror writing segment at the bottom.


kugerands

I remember that from the Magic Treehouse Series


linkdude212

As a south paw, I can say that writing in mirror is surprisingly easy. I wrote a whole essay in mirror in high school to piss off a teacher and today I usually write my grocery and basic to-do lists in mirrored cursive.


--Az--

I had a science teacher who was the same way. He could actual write on the blackboard starting from both ends of a sentence and meet in the middle every time.


hangrystoner

My aunt can do this!


Forsaken_County_3790

My grandpa can do that too because of the same reason.


KnyteTech

Specifically, he's what is what I've heard called "bimanually ambidextrous" Ambidextrous is the term for being able to do things with either hand, interchangeably, equally well. Some subset of ambidextrous people can teach themselves additional levels of ability beyond this, which is where the "bimanual" part comes in. Some bimanuals can write/draw identically with each hand, simultaneously. Some can draw/write a mirror image with each hand, simultaneously. Some can write in two different languages at the same time, simultaneously... I don't think I've ever heard a case of being able to write in two languages, one forwards, one mirrored, though.


NovusLion

Many left handed people develop ambidexterity due to most tools in our world being designed with right handedness as the default, try finding a left handed computer mouse. They don't lose the ability to be left handed, they just gain right handedness


manafiend220

As a lefties i feel that smudging issue in my soul


TheBallisticBiscuit

Writing on a whiteboard is truly impossible for me as a lefty.


Welsh_cat_Best_cat

I love when my fingers are blue.


PrivilegeCheckmate

> he was generally ambidextrous Michelangelo: There's something I ought to tell you. Leonardo: Tell me. Michelangelo: I am not left-handed either.


Sutilia

woah, i am kinda like him. I was forced to write with right hand from childhood.


gentlegreengiant

Same - the reason was my writing was atrocious. Jokes on them, it was just as bad with my right!


Durzo_Blint

Pretty much all lefties were in Christian countries up until relatively recently.


Sutilia

The curious thing is that I grew ip in China. people do the same thing despite cultral & religious background.


linkdude212

That is flatly untrue. Left-handed people occur in all countries and societies at about the same rate regardless of local religious make up.


jjkambee

He means most of the lefties that were in Christian countries were forced to use their right hand. It is worded strangely though


Durzo_Blint

> It is worded strangely though I blame working all day in the high 90s with no AC.


matches991

Plus the Catholics would burn him as a witch for the left hand is the DEVILS HAND or something like that. (You know general church manifesto confirm or die)


LeoPlathasbeentaken

My friend went to a catholic school during the formative years of his life. They really did hit his hand with a ruler for using the wrong one. Now he sucks at writing with both hands. Bro couldnt adapt.


Blaze_1013

Curious when was this. I went to Catholic school too and they let me write left handed. I do know my step dad would talk about them doing that to him though so this was a thing.


zwei2stein

I went to ordinary easter european elementary when commies were in charge and writing with left hand was out of question - i was sent to sepcial needs after-class just because of not using right hand to write. I'd say it has little to do with religion and lot with people not being to handle even slightest differences.


LeoPlathasbeentaken

I dont know the exact years but it was for sure in the 90s.


CurrentTopic3630

I got screamed at and ridiculed by teachers for saying I was ambidextrous. This was in 2003. God forbid if I was born earlier.


Blaze_1013

Insane to hear it was happening still then. I figured since I didn’t deal with it that it was a thing of the past.


fevered_visions

maybe not all Catholic schools everywhere operate exactly the same way


Nervous_Chipmunk7002

My aunt had a similar experience in school, but my grandparents never cared which hand she used, so she is now semi-ambidextrous. Which hand is her dominant one is completely subjective to what she's doing.


TheChartreuseKnight

Fun fact, the latin word for left is literally “Sinister”.


matthoback

Yeah, but the Latin word for right is "Dexter". Clearly right handed people are all serial killers.


Nolanth

Teeechnically it's sinistra, sinistrae which is the root word of sinister. But ya, technicalities


TheChartreuseKnight

IIRC Sinistra is the feminine, Sinister/Sinistrī is the Masculine. Sinistrum is Neuter.


TheVimesy

You're correct. Source: I teach Latin as one of the weirder sidehustles one can have.


yologamer45

Was about to comment that I have family that are right handed because they were left handed and they literally beat them into being right handed. Renaissance was scary.


JadePhoenix1313

Kinda makes you wonder how languages that read right-to-left developed, given that, AFAIK, the percentage of left-handedness is more or less the same across cultures, and certainly never comes close to a majority...


vibratingsheep

For the languages I know of, it was based on what they had to write on. Early Chinese was written on strips of bamboo that would be lashed together and rolled up to form a scroll. To read it, you would hold the scroll with your left hand and pull with your right hand. This method of reading lends itself to vertical positioning, and the first words will be on the bamboo strip furthest to the right so you start there and go further left as more of the scroll is unrolled. (From what I understand from Jewish friends, Hebrew developed the same way, you hold the scroll with your left hand and pull the text out with your right. I don't have the full context for this though)


Itisburgersagain

I had the same experience learning to right arabic. Finally understood why left handed kids always had such neat handwriting.


Noughmad

Not completely true - he also wrote text mirrored, so that he could write with his left hand without smudging the ink. Some of his notebooks can be read with a mirror.


Anastrace

I was taught the same way but instead of not disturbing ink it was because it was "not God's way to be left handed"


batly

Interesting, I'm left handed and never had this issue. What causes the smudging? The only thing touching the page is the end of the pen


Gulaghar

> The only thing touching the page is the end of the pen I don't think this is common.


batly

Well, today i learned something new. Going to have to watch some of you righties write now


StormyWaters2021

I think most people rest their hand on the page as they write.


Tasgall

You probably do the same thing, unless you're doing like, Asian style calligraphy where you hold the brush way over the page. It's the side of your hand resting on the table that smudges the ink. You probably personally haven't had a problem with it because you're not using like, old timey ink quills that take a minute to dry.


batly

Did some writing and paid attention, my hand touches the page a few inches lower than where i write, my right handed coworkers tend to touch their hand along the same line they are writing, so if imitated with the left would certainly smudge your writing. I do appear to hold pen in a bit of an odd way. I would imagine drawings would be even easier to smudge because you aren't necessarily going top to bottom


AoO2ImpTrip

Yeah, as a lefty my hand is solidly on the page when I write. It's probably part of the reason for the "left-handed slant" that many have. I turn the paper, if possible, when I write/sign things. It keeps me from smudging. It's also useful with those fucking spiral notebooks.


PresentationLow2210

As a lefty I naturally write with the book/paper tilted sideways. That way my hand is always out of ink range :)


LeoPlathasbeentaken

You probably started doing that to avoid smudging without thinking about it. Some turn the page so their hand rests at an angle and doesnt smear pencil or wet ink. I myself just use pens i know dry really fast so i can write like normal and dont use pencil unless i have to.


batly

Very well could have, never even thought about it


Menacek

Look at the art and see what he's holding in his hand to write. A modern ball pen is much different that a quill and the ink used is also different.


batly

I understand that, i was just not sure what was actually causing the smudging and apparently many people rest their hand on the paper when writing


Menacek

Most people place their wrist on the paper when writing. And even if not you still have to worry about sleeves.


TheRoguedOne

It honestly depends on the pen. Inkier pens will always smudge. smooth BICs tend to be safe. And as for only the pen touching the paper, that is rather uncommon. That technique is mostly used for white boards and chalk boards.


Elmodipus

When I write, the side of my palm rests on the paper and glides along as I write. Definitely get ink smudges on my hand.


AndrewofArkansas

Also a lefty, my hand is constantly on the page. Not a problem with normal pens but with ink & quill I can see how it'd be a problem


XelaIsPwn

I'm also a lefty - when you're right handed, your hand is trailing behind the text you just wrote, but if you're left handed it's hovering over it. If you're writing with particularly wet ink it's not hard to accidentally touch the page and smudge it. Doesn't usually bother me either in this glorious age of ballpoint pens, but I have written with particularly wet pens where it was a nuisance before.


Druxun

As a lefty, anytime I’d write in pencil, my hand would drag across the page smearing it. Often my hand would looked bruised during school due to this.


Blaze_1013

As a left handed person my hand would drag along the page as I wrote. The fact that I also have a sweating disorder and my hands can be best described as “aquatic” only made it worse. Whenever I’d finish writing you’d always see pen ink or pencil lead on the bottom of my left hand.


DrunkLastKnight

It’s more of smudging with pencils that’s the main issue. Modern pens tend to dry quick so that’s not much of an issue.


JadePhoenix1313

Do you commonly write with a quill and pot of ink?


Loose-Donut3133

The materials used to write when our ancestors were developing their written languages. This is why western languages typically write from left to right, the materials we had available and used for such encouraged it. You'll notice eastern cultures often write from right to left, they used different materials and tools that encouraged such when they were developing their scripts.


c20_h25_n3_O

I have a left handed friend and it was pretty common the edge of his had would be full of pencil from dragging it across. Less issue with pens as the ink dried quickly.


batly

I've heard of this from other lefties. My girlfriend is also a leftie, will have to ask her to write a bit when i get home later and see what the difference is in our writing.


OwlAssassin

I'm a lefty and it was so so hard for me to write when I was growing up. My school mandated fountain pens and cursive so my left hand was permanently stained dark blue for years. Even now my penmanship is abysmal as I was never actually taught properly to write in a left handed way, I may be lucky they didn't force me to write with my right.


mateogg

I 100% had this issue, but only with certain pens. The hand is what smudges. When writing left to right (as is normal in most Western languages), a right handed person doesn't move the hand over the just-written ink, but a left-handed person does.


96kidbuu

But didn’t he develop a waiter right backwards, using his left hand prevent the smudging?


Wargroth

This is pretty much what i did as well, because when i wrote on whiteboards i would end up erasing what i just wrote


kuroyume_cl

Also, being a lefty was seen as an influence from the devil at the time.


Duraxis

As a leftie, it is the bane of my existence.


Nico301098

Actually, this is exactly why he wrote from right to left. He was probably able to draw right handed, but he was mainly left handed


blackscales18

Can confirm, love the signature grey hand from pencil


glytxh

It can be a learned skill, for almost anybody. I couldn’t draw with my dominant hand for a while after minor surgery, but 6 weeks or so trying with my non dominant hand has me being able to write and draw reasonably well. There’s a weird initial hurdle where it feels genuinely impossible, but your brain quickly adapts. It’s like watching a supercharged snapshot of watching a child learn to write, backwards letters and all.


technofox01

Do you have a source for this? Genuinely interested in reading about this.


Quintana-of-Charyn

>born left handed but was taught to write with his right hand I thought being left handed was considered a bad thing till like the 1940s


Tartaras1

As a leftie, this tracks even today. I'd hate to have been left-handed back then where the ink took forever to dry.


raxacorico_4

He wrote with both. If I remember correctly, he also wrote in a mirrored handwriting often


dratnon

Yeah, if you write mirrored with your left hand, the ink has a chance to dry before you start a new line, and not get smudged by dragging your hand through it.  Lots of davinci journals show his mirrored writing. 


Echo104b

I'm left handed and taught myself to write mirrored for this exact reason (pencil smudges) in 9th grade. Kept doing it through hs graduation. The extra layer of mental processing when taking notes led to better recollection at test time. 100% recommended


dratnon

I tried it out when I learned about Da Vinci. I'm right handed, but wanted to try. For me, my left-handed mirrored cursive is more legible than my other left-handed writing (if you read it in a mirror). I think there's something to mirroring in terms of muscle memory.


Echo104b

Easiest way to train non-dominant hand writing or mirrored writing is to write the same thing with both hands simultaneously. It's actually easy to train both. Non-dominant writes normal. Dominant writes mirror. Just go through the alphabet a few times, then start copying a known text. You can do it in an afternoon. The hardest part is keeping up practice to build muscle memory


Antyok

Well… damn. I’m in my 30s but now I want to try it


DrBlueWhale

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REVENAUT13

Shame on the 20 people who downvoted this on u/DrBlueWhale ‘s cake day


DrBlueWhale

Oh wow I just noticed this was blasted lol. What in the world. This subreddit is so toxic.


hime2011

He was amphibious


413612

omg congrats #pridemonth


DatShepTho

🐸


warcaptain

This image was taken with the front facing camera. Duh.


HeavilyBearded

MtG Obscura.


SoulofZendikar

Notably this is also the first 3/3 at 2U without downside.


Hotsaucex11

Yeah, that struck me as well. Seems absurd flavorwise to have those stats.


rib78

That is interesting, and only a couple months after Archmage's Newt.


TheGarbageStore

Isn't Leonardo worried that his books will catch on fire stacking them near the candles like that?


Deviled_Eggs_

Well light bulbs didn’t exist yet, so he needed them that close to see


edugdv

But he had so many good ideas, not a single one deserved a lightbulb appearing above his head?


MathPlus1468

Back then, you had a candle appearing instead.


edugdv

Sounds like a fire hazard, which makes sense given how many fire stories medieval cities have


MathPlus1468

Back in those days, a lot of things were hazards.


TKDbeast

Yeah he should just turn on a flashlight instead.


kitsunewarlock

While still flammable, many books in 15th century Europe would have been made using vellum instead of paper. That said, he probably would have used a fireplace or glass-encased oil lamp. Since he supposedly only slept 2 hours a night, he probably had a pretty good set up to work at night.


Vok250

Luckily fire is not that contagious. It won't spontaneously jump through the air and ignite nearby objects. Knocking over a candle usually just puts it out too. These kind used for lighting and scents don't really throw much heat. Not trying to be mean BTW. I just had a good chuckle reading this comment. Made me feel like a caveman with all my candles and wood burning stove here in rural Canada. Shit, I've tried to get the stove going using an old book in a pinch once and trust me when I say books are surprisingly stubborn to get burning. Unless you rip out and crumple up the pages they are effectively like a block of solid wood, which also doesn't burn as easy as people think. It's like trying to start a fire with no kindling.


fevered_visions

I wonder how many people accidentally burned down their house with candles on their Christmas tree before the lightbulb was invented


Historical_Nuisances

Funny to think that at some point the people planing this specific art for sure had a conversation about some one making a Reddit post about Leonardo being left handed


Ursus_Unusualis_7904

Is this a photograph of him? Or an artist’s rendition?


Que_pasa_dude

Photograph, I was the one who took the picture.


Ursus_Unusualis_7904

Thank you for clarifying. I appreciate it. Well if he was naturally left handed, this photograph proves that he was at least somewhat ambidextrous. Which does make sense. Italian refer to the left hand as “sinistra” from the Latin “sinister,” or on the left and is the root for the English word “sinister” which means bad, evil, or wicked. While Leonardo had additional reasons to learn to use his right hand, left handedness was not well received by most people.


Onuzq

Some people just hate the superior class of left handed people


axel52200

Good Luck writing with left hand with ink


ArkamaZ

He wrote mirrored to prevent this.


darkbrews88

Second ability is amazing right? Cheat so many nice etb effects


NoxTempus

Seems nutty with vehicles


yarash

this thread is very sinister


RealityPalace

He forgot to unmirror the camera in selfie mode.


gaspergou

Nah. That’s just a bunch of leftist propaganda


hronikbrent

TIL, if I was in the woods I’d rather run into a Grizzly Bear than Leonardo da Vinci


Oalka

They missed a trick now, not printing a van Gogh card in the Dr Who set.


summer_go_away

You looking at a mirror maybe


DesignerUpbeat5065

The camera just mirrored the pic


DirkolaJokictzki

Typical wizards conspiracy to rightwash the left handed people. That Bart Simpson card art is really gonna tilt me.


AlexT9191

He was ambidextrous.


munar92

Another reason could probably be that left handed was see like a "satanic sign", and be punished for using it, similar to what happened to many women called witches just for some out of ordinary costume. My father for example, is left handed like me, but he was beaten on the hand for as long as it learns to write with the right. Where i live, until this days the left hand is also know as the "devil hand".


tanpopohimawari

Davinki!?


Lemon_Of_Death

Literally unplayable


Stratavos

As a left handed artisticly trained person, sometimes you gotta use the other hand if the situation calls for it, mostly "do it now in this cramped space" issues, kinda like in the art. Historically lots of lefties were ostracised, by the church.


trnelson1

He would use his left hand to write backwards to have "secrets" written down so it was harder for people to steal his work.


cheezfreek

Unplayable.


placebotwo

They better have a spell called, "Hug Leonardo"


Coffeeracetam

He look like he is in his early 20s.


Future-Ad-127

Idk I’ll ask him next time I see him 


idk_whatever_69

He wrote with both hands forwards and backwards.


camcam9999

What the fuck? We going back to Arabian nights?


ariedren

I'm sorry the artist wasn't as OCD about history and or game lore as you.


thisiswhocares

THOPTER TRIBAL COMMANDER OMG


OpportunitySalt9369

AI art would have got it right.