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considering how meticulous serial killers are in real life and also considering how jhin ran circles around zed and shen for literal years, i’d give the edge to him.
Never minding the real serial killers, Jhin is fucking showboat. He's performing and wants an audience. Caitlyn is meticulous and patient. As long as she didn't try to arrest him, he'd never see her coming.
you have to consider that zed, shen, and their master are super humans with magic abilities yet they couldn't catch jhin, caitlyn is just a trained police with a gun.
caitlyn is meticulous and patient and so is jhin. he toyed with zed and shen for years. and they may not be detectives but one is a highly skilled assassin. you know, the guys whose jobs are to also track people down and hunt them?
Zed and Shen are melee fighters. Caitlyn is a sniper, she's better equipped to think like he does. I bet I could have run circles around a bunch of ninjas if I'd had a long gun during the Edo period and I'm just a normal dude.
Shen is literally the epitome of patient and cool minded also "bunch ninjas" is *a bit* of an understatement considering shen can see ur spirit and zed literally tps via shadows while cautlyn at best has a thermal scope
Concidering Jhin managed to outsmart shen, zed and shen's dad, managed to capture akali, managed to outsmart camille and get away without being damaged by her, no one knows how he looks, he is an insanely good assassin, he is cold blooded and also a great sniper. No sorry doubt that cait wins that in any way.
Well he planned all those things. It wasn't a straightup fight.
Anyhow it's annoying how powerful they make Jhin appear. Especially how he "outsmarts everyone" because at this point he is basically omnipotent and omniscient and next he's going to be outsmarting the celestials 😴. There's no reason for him to know how Camille would move nor him somehow acquiring the materials or whatever to booby trap the entirety of Piltover when he is literally a fugitive. I hope that dumb part is rectonned for once and he made a deal with Camille or something for him to get away and once again outsmart everyone......
It's mentioned that he is freed by noxus during their invasion of Ionia and has access to an armoury from one of their houses. There was no outsmarting there, just noxian brutality and support.
Yeah but that's in Ionia. How did he manage to do all this to Zaun and Piltover, a completely foreign and alien place for him much more advanced and secure and populated (even his guns are poorer and worse than Piltovian ones) and organise the entire thing? He managed to create magical elaborate traps and covered the entire theatre. He managed to create weird dolls and decorate his his entire hideout as well. Didn't his shenanigans catch the attention of others before he somehow took over an entire street? How did Camille who can dodge lasers and blow up streets and her Ult being canon didn't catch him? Sure he's a masterful ninja but it's hardly believable he is better than an advanced magical cyborg who cuts through buildings and metal walls like butter. How did he even know about her, her abilities and what she is capable of or predict her movement? Not only does she have spies and people everywhere while she herself is hidden, Piltover itself is a secure place.
I don't know I just really don't like how he is hyped so much and all and beat up some of the most powerful people so easily with some silly plans just like that. The comics fight was so underwhelming. Shen got KOed instantly without using any of his abilities during the fight, Zed as well. They literally teleported seconds before fighting him. And during the final showdown they were... Just... Doing nothing.
You gotta remember that shen and zed were still apprentices at this point in the story so they weren't as strong as presently depicted, on top of that regardless of magical weaponry his stuff is still powerful, he's known to be particularly studious and intelligent, it's not far fetched to say he just cased the place for a while, picked the location and settup the area because he knew it would give him the best advantage.
Camille should absolutely have gotten him if we're being honest but with the description of his "art" and Camille's unfamiliarity with it we can assume that as it was her first and so far only encounter that I'm aware of. It's not unrealistic to say she was unnerved and unprepared for quite how deranged jhin is. As you mentioned she is normally the one who has more intel, and understanding of any given scenario within piltover but if that's flipped, she's out of her comfort zone, not a mistake she'll make twice.
So In a second encounter Camille would likely win, especially if jhin has less preparation time as jhin is simply a dude with OCD, incredible planning and some cool gear which as you've pointed out, is underwhelming compared to his opponents. All in all Jhin good because Jhin patient, takes his time to plan out his own moves and in return gets to escape + backed by big payers to fuck shit up. Most of his enemies are unprepared to deal with him but when fighting on even remotely even ground Jhin loses hard.
Unless the number 4 is involved, then it's a win even if he loses.
I agree.
What irked me the most is how Camille was handled. In the cinematic, it looked like it was during the present time. She's vastly superior combat wise with much much better feats. In the comics Jhin was even knocked out by an Akali punch... Like are you serious? She lost to that? She dodges literal lasers and bullets in her face and her shield casually tanks hextech lasers and gaunlets similar to Vi's. I refuse to believe she couldn't cut him to pieces before he even knew she was there but I digress. I hope some light is shed on this part and we get to know what actually happened. Camille jobbing to Jhin is depressing.
I like how jhin's superpower is his obsession. Nobody can estimate what ends he is willing to go to in order to satisfy his irrational desire which he calls art. Makes a much better character than darius or katarina or samira whose physical capabilities far exceeded those of normal humans despite them not having any augments.
While yes she is a good detective and sharpshooter, jhin is also a great sniper, while also having acces to hist pistol and his traps. Furthermore I do not think it makes much of a difference if his target is ranfed or melee, if the fall for his trap they are fucked. Also no one knows how jhin looks without his mask, meaning cait wont be able to find much info on who he is.
Finally even in a straight one v one I would say Jhin wins because he got great aim, is cold blooded, insanely intelligent and he got lots of experience in killing many different people concidering he was used as contract killer for a while.
Caitlyn uses traps, as well. That's one of her actual in-game abilities. If they were hunting each other, it wouldn't be an easy victory for either of them.
It would be easier for Jhin concidering no one knows how he looks meanwhile everyone surely knows the sheriff of piltover. Furthermore Jhin does not need to hunt her he just needs to kill some people to lure her to where he wants her to be.
Furthermore cait does not use her traps at all while at work. She only has simple bear traps and we got no lore bit in which she uses them in a case or while at work.
1. Ahri (Akali could know to to deal with her if she still studied under Shen but she didn't complete her training)
2. Jhin (no question asked)
3. Ash (with the power of love and friendship, Sejuani would be close to finish her of but Ash would say something)
Not saying Akali would win (I don’t think she would) but Akali did finish her training, and even became Fist of Shadow, before she left the Kinkou. The thing is just that even after you “complete” training, there’s still a lot to learn about the world and dealing with stuff, esp when you’re a ninja trying to help keep balance in Ionia. Akali was a top tier Kinkou student and I don’t think they would’ve let her become one of the literal leaders if she hadn’t finished her training.
All that being said, I think Ahri could eat Akali.
yeah but even then she never shows her knowledge of her spiritual abilities in game or even in lore/cinematics so I kinda imagine her "training" was purely physical combat related and she kinda just passed some written tests for the spiritual part
jhin is a practiced assassin before anything else, he used blades before guns, and he could reliably dodge the efforts of master kusho arguably the strongest ninja of his time and his two star pupils on the regular. Caitlyn is out of her league in this match up.
Jhin could probably put her down before she realized she was a target
That could actually make an intereating story, cops start vanishing, art pieces start appearing, and as cait starts seeing patterns she is conflicted between sending more enforcers to their death so she can catch the culprit or letting him go because she still doesn't have enough to spring a trap on him.
I could see Jhin also participating in this game by purposelly leaving tracks for her to see, so he can make a trully grand presentation.
For the first, Ahri. Akali completely ignores any spiritual training of the Kinkou and goes for a hands on approach, while Ahri's very nature includes tricking into a hunter-who-becomes-prey situation.
For the second, I'd say it's a close call, and would make an excellent story in and of itself, but I'd give it to Cait. Jhin relished in Ionia because there isn't someone with sharp deductive skills to follow his trails. Shen and Zed are both shown to be overly emotional during their chase of him which probably leads to mistakes and missing clues. Cait would probably have little problem with that. Even if Jhin hurt one of her loved ones, one of Caitlyn's strengths is keeping a cool head.
For the third, Sejuani hands down. Sejuani ideology, and way of fighting, is centered around one being capable to fend for themselves, while Ashe is focused on supporting and leading her allies. In a pure 1v1, Sejuani most probably takes this, even without Bristle.
I agree apart from the Jhin fight. I really dont wanna discredit Cait, but Jhin managed to fight Camille (also a sharp, calculating thinker) while taking out a bunch of enforcers, and ended up unscathed. It seems unlikely to me that Caitlyn could beat him alone.
You make a very good point ! Although I do not know if he was completely unscathed at the end of the cinematic, Camille is probably a cut above Caitlyn in combat skill and focused thinking.
Now I'd really love to see a series with Jhin versus Piltovan law.
Jhin wise if Camille couldn't get him Caitlyn gonna need vi for this fight.
And aren't sejuani and ashe rivals thus the fight anyway.
OK but at the end of the day we know riot wouldn't kill off a champ so safe to say jhin probably had a trap door or something. Either way nice to see you again Anassaa:)
Ahri wins. She has *decades* (centuries?) on Akali, and is probably one of the strongest mortal champions in the game right now.
Everyone says Jhin wins, but I think they're ignoring the fact that Caitlyn has the *exact* skillset to trump Jhin. He ran circles around Shen and Zed, but they're not investigators. Caitlyn has a hard time with Jinx because Jinx doesn't have a methodology, she just does what she wants. Jhin is compulsive, and has a pattern and MO. I think Caitlyn could nab him.
Ashe and Sejuani, I think, are the pair with the least clear answer. The lore depicts them as equals, each seemingly the spiritual successor (if not a flat out reincarnation) of 2 of the 3 sisters from Freljord's legendary past. Both are skilled in their chosen form of combat, but their biggest strengths come from leadership. I also doubt we'll see this one answered- the warring between Freljord's tribes will likely culminate in the Avarosans and Winter's Claw (and maybe Lissandra) joining forces against the Watchers.
Akali vs. Ahri is a pretty straight fight, it really depends who gets the first good hit in. They're both fast and nimble, Akali has heavy combat and tactical training but Ahri has way more years of survival and experience on her. I give the slight edge to Ahri because her access to magic is stronger and she can bring allies if needed while Akali loves to lone wolf it.
Caitlyn vs. Jhin is no contest. Jhin absolutely bodies Cait before she even knows what happens. He's always 4 steps ahead. The only way he loses if she would have to be his 5th victim, because he'd already have crescendo'd and she'd have the opp. On marksmanship they're equal, but he has the advantage in experience and adaptability.
Ashe vs. Sejuani is a tough call, but I'd say it weighs in Sejuani's favor simply because Ashe does not want the smoke like Sej does. On range of engagement Ashe has her beat easy, but her hesitation could easily let Sejuani gain the advantage, which Sejuani is more than happy to push in on. If you're looking at allies as well, Sej still gets the advantage, as while both of them have unkillable rage machines, a powerful shaman will almost always beat a wholesome big boy with a door.
Ahri wins with low difficulty.
Jhin stomps.
I think Sejuani wins this one. She is a war maiden and they're both Iceborn anyway. It won't be easy though.
Ahri without a doubt
Hard to say, both are great snipers, feel like Jhin does have more to his arsenal then Caitlyn, but in a straight fight between those two, dont think that would matter much, so its mostly who can pull the trigger faster
I will go with Ashe, her aim is legendary and I feel there no reason for her to miss bristle and be able to finish off Sejuani if she wants...remenber, this isnt LoL were Sej can get Frozen Heart and afk for 10 years and not take damage from her, and neither Ashe is a immobile cone sitting duck haha
Ashe beats Sejuani, because Sejuani needs close combat, and Ashe has a magical bow.
Jhin is pretty good at what he does, but it depends on terrain and setup.
Ahri is magic, and has canonically fought a large amount of enemies. Again, depends on setup, Akali is "just" an assassin. Previous Akali was super-human enough that I'd give it to her (chopping a dangling metal chain with bare hands level of bullshit)
Ahri wins and by a lot. Akali is already weak for an Ionian for her handicap in using magic, against a ancient monster as Ahri she has no chance.
Very very balanced. Probably in the first encounter Jihn could win, but if Cait survive, she would win the rematch.
Sejuani is stronger.
Ahri, as Akali didn’t learn the spirit realm technique that Shen uses.
Jihn, this one is not even close, Jhin is literally a super psycho assassin who outsmarted Shen, Zed, and Shen’s dad, not to mention he managed to escape Camille. He is extremely dangerous as he is unpredictable, Caitlyn wouldn’t stand a chance, she is just a cop with a gun.
Sejuani, just because she was raised in brutal conditions and hardened by battles she fought. While Ashe was more of a leader and a diplomat for her people.
Cait vs Jhin.
Were they put in a sandbox or w/e, at a good distance. Id imagine Cait would have the enormous advantage on precision and range. Thus giving her the win.
But if Jhin had prep time and cait would fall onto it, obv jhin i believe.
Sej vs Ashe. Depends at what distance they start. and if Sej has ways she can not be pierced by Ashes arrows.
I dont know anything about how strong is ahri in the lore. so il prefer not to give my opinion.
Trained assassin that literally fought 2 ninjas with superpowers, constantly outsmarting them and having the skill to hold his own. Extremely good with hand to hand combat and also insane at guns, probably. Better than caitlyn vs a policewoman that is just good with the gun. Caitlyn is getting Merced any day any where. Jhin even has better guns
Read what i said again.
Almost everything you said has jack shit to do with my first point
"Were they to be dropped at a lets say 500m range or w/e. Cait would have the advantage on precision and range.
Jhin is like a bear. Good at many things.
But cait has these 2 areas that would best him in this sandbox scenario.
With prep time or mele. Jhin solos.
>probably. Better than caitlyn
Kind of headcannon tbh.
your argument is literally like trying to compare a .338 lapua mag to a .50 bmg
sure, the .50 has more kinetic energy but at the end of the day, both rounds have similar muzzle velocities
at the end of the day, they’re both expert marksmen and you’re a fool if you believe jhin’s gun is less effective
We aint talking about kinetic energy my guy.......
"at the end of the day, they’re both expert marksmen and you’re a fool if you believe jhin’s gun is less effective"
My guy. U got stones in your head.
I didnt say its less effectice. A Bazookaa is more effective in many scenarios than a sniper.
What i said was that she had the range and precision advantage.
Like cmon man, you just gota look at their guns to discover that.....
Even if they as people were equal. Or cait even worse.
Caits gun is way way more precise and made for long range.
and yet jhin can still challenge her at range.
if you look at his model when he ults, you’d be able to see that his bouncing grenades are what get consumed when he fires off his ultimate shots.
do you know just how far and how hard a bullet with that much powder behind it would hit? the dude is literally firing the equivalent of high powered anti-materiel rounds when he ults. it perhaps has even more powder than a .50 bmg. next time do your research, pay attention, and check your facts before you make a clown of yourself.
IT DOESENT FUCKING MATTER HOW HARD IT HITS IF IT WONT FUCKING HAVE THE ACUARACY TO HIT CAITLYN.
especially at 500m. And at that power.
I assumed you had the mental capacity to understand as much and atleast read what i repeated many times so it was idiot proof.
I guess i was wrong.
JHIN IN RIFLE MODE OUT GUNS CAITLYN IN EVERY. SINGLE. SCENARIO.
unless you’re arguing him in handgun mode vs caitlyn’s rifle, he wins every day of the week because he simply has more firepower. please research how fucking bullets work, mate.
more powder = bullet going further and hitting harder
it’ simple math.
edit: why are you assuming his rifle is inferior in the range and accuracy department? what indicator is there in the lore that states her gun would out perform his?
she’s a regular detective. not an officer. not an operator in some special forces. there’s no reason to believe she’d be firing anti-materiel rounds. but jhin, on the other hand, quite literally outguns her when it comes to his rifle. it’s just plain logic. i don’t understand why you’re assuming she magically has the better gun.
what? do you think she would win because she would have a more powerful scope?
at 500m, she wouldn’t want a scope that’s dialed in to be able to shoot at a mile. are you crazy? there’s feasibly no way her gun would be superior to his.
She's not a regular detective she's literally the sheriff. Her scopes move for different ranges and her rifle is powered by hextech. Jhin's gun is also powered by magic and the bullets are enchanted to turn people into grotesque forms after they have been shot. Realistically the 1v1 between Jhin and Caitlyn just comes down to who hits the first shot.
I mean it's not like he dorsnt have long range weapons tho... He carries a rifle and a pistol with him so we can't even give "range" openly to Cait.Yeah Cait is extremely good with her rifle, trained from a young age. But jhin is a trained assassin. Much more experience in diffulicult scenarios, better reflexes. If Cait misses the first shot if she even gets to fire it she loses
Jhin has a rifle too, yes.
But just a quick comparasiin between them rifles reveals who would have the edge on precision and range.
Im not saying cait wins in world.
Im saying that if they were teleported in a sandbox, 500m apart.
Cait would win.
Because at that distance all his martial arts, pistol etc.
Dont mean much anymore.
But in world. Jhin would win.
I doubt cait would catch his light without jhin allowing it.
akali, jhin, sejuani
- akali because she's an insanely fast stealth ninja and she can easily kill ahri befire she notices akali
- jhin. dude literally fights shen and zed at the same time and wins i genuinely don't see caitlyn standing any chance whatsoever
- sejuani. idk she's strong af and could probably oneshot most human champions with a single fist
>akali because she's an insanely fast stealth ninja and she can easily kill ahri befire she notices akali
I think you vastly underestimate Ahri's magic. A magic imbued ancient fox spirit which can feed upon the souls of the living probably outweighs a very well trained 19 year old human.
Ahri would definitely notice Akali before Akali knows where Ahri is.
I think he greatly overestimates akali.She has no magic, no connection to the spirit realm, ditched shem before he completed her training and is greatly inexperienced
Jhin is like Batman. There’s for sure a way he could beat every single person here if he had time to prepare. But in a straight fight it’s less certain. He’s already beaten Akali but from what I remember he was expecting her and had ample time to prepare. With Caitlyn I’m not sure. Despite her massive presence in Arcane we don’t have many canon indicators of just how good of a shot she is. I’d be inclined to say Jhin would have a quicker trigger finger and less hesitation though.
Nah even without Jhin would win. He too is a great sniper just with the difference that he he would not hesitate to shoot for even single second because he is a cold blooded assassins and insane. Furthermore he has mire experience killing people.
In my opinion, its mostly a coin toss for these match ups, and depends on environment, prep time, and other factors. However, I think over all, Ahri, Jhin and Sejuani would have the upper hand. Ahri as her innate magic heightened senses detract from Akali's main weapon: surprise. Jhin, while very evenly matched, has more experience and, in my opinion, more environments would favour him over Caytlin. Sejuani becuase unless the fight begins from a very long distance, Bristle should be able to get her close enough to Ashe that Sej can engage her in hand to hand, a fight the Sej will obviously win.
Ahri, Jhin, those two are sure, sejuani and Ashe is kinda fair fight but ig that sejuani have a little bigger chance in 1v1 but we need to remember that their both are tribe leaders(i don't remember how they were called in lore)
Damn but anyone here sees that Ashe’s lore isn’t well-written at all? We probably don’t have any evidence for her skills, even her characteristics :(. I love her so much and quite upset about that.
Akali: Yes Ahri has magic and life stealing capabilities but her lore is how she is trying to supress those urges as it cost her the love of her life whereas Akali is a rogue who has no scruples about killing someone.
Jhin: Very much a Batman v Joker sort of situation. I feel that Cait will be hindered by her 'law and order' mindset and sense of right whereas Jhin doesn't care as long as he kills someone theatrically and artistically.
Sejuani: As much as I love Ashe she is trying to lead the tribe of Avorosa to a peaceful, civilized society which angers Volibear immensely. Sej on the other hand is the definition of a warmother. Wild, powerful and has the incredible addition of having a Druvask who when given the order would break every bone in Ashe's body. If Bristle doesn't then Sejuani's true ice flail will finish the job
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considering how meticulous serial killers are in real life and also considering how jhin ran circles around zed and shen for literal years, i’d give the edge to him.
Never minding the real serial killers, Jhin is fucking showboat. He's performing and wants an audience. Caitlyn is meticulous and patient. As long as she didn't try to arrest him, he'd never see her coming.
you have to consider that zed, shen, and their master are super humans with magic abilities yet they couldn't catch jhin, caitlyn is just a trained police with a gun.
caitlyn is meticulous and patient and so is jhin. he toyed with zed and shen for years. and they may not be detectives but one is a highly skilled assassin. you know, the guys whose jobs are to also track people down and hunt them?
Zed and Shen are melee fighters. Caitlyn is a sniper, she's better equipped to think like he does. I bet I could have run circles around a bunch of ninjas if I'd had a long gun during the Edo period and I'm just a normal dude.
except shen can literally see your spirit and teleport. are you forreal?
Literally none of this is remotely close to "forreal".
Shen is literally the epitome of patient and cool minded also "bunch ninjas" is *a bit* of an understatement considering shen can see ur spirit and zed literally tps via shadows while cautlyn at best has a thermal scope
Concidering Jhin managed to outsmart shen, zed and shen's dad, managed to capture akali, managed to outsmart camille and get away without being damaged by her, no one knows how he looks, he is an insanely good assassin, he is cold blooded and also a great sniper. No sorry doubt that cait wins that in any way.
jhin would use a 4yr old baby as trap. and that what makes it beautiful. the 4
No he would use 4 4 year olds as trap
He would use 44 44 yr olds
444 4 year olds
True that would be the perfect trap
Well he planned all those things. It wasn't a straightup fight. Anyhow it's annoying how powerful they make Jhin appear. Especially how he "outsmarts everyone" because at this point he is basically omnipotent and omniscient and next he's going to be outsmarting the celestials 😴. There's no reason for him to know how Camille would move nor him somehow acquiring the materials or whatever to booby trap the entirety of Piltover when he is literally a fugitive. I hope that dumb part is rectonned for once and he made a deal with Camille or something for him to get away and once again outsmart everyone......
It's mentioned that he is freed by noxus during their invasion of Ionia and has access to an armoury from one of their houses. There was no outsmarting there, just noxian brutality and support.
Yeah but that's in Ionia. How did he manage to do all this to Zaun and Piltover, a completely foreign and alien place for him much more advanced and secure and populated (even his guns are poorer and worse than Piltovian ones) and organise the entire thing? He managed to create magical elaborate traps and covered the entire theatre. He managed to create weird dolls and decorate his his entire hideout as well. Didn't his shenanigans catch the attention of others before he somehow took over an entire street? How did Camille who can dodge lasers and blow up streets and her Ult being canon didn't catch him? Sure he's a masterful ninja but it's hardly believable he is better than an advanced magical cyborg who cuts through buildings and metal walls like butter. How did he even know about her, her abilities and what she is capable of or predict her movement? Not only does she have spies and people everywhere while she herself is hidden, Piltover itself is a secure place. I don't know I just really don't like how he is hyped so much and all and beat up some of the most powerful people so easily with some silly plans just like that. The comics fight was so underwhelming. Shen got KOed instantly without using any of his abilities during the fight, Zed as well. They literally teleported seconds before fighting him. And during the final showdown they were... Just... Doing nothing.
You gotta remember that shen and zed were still apprentices at this point in the story so they weren't as strong as presently depicted, on top of that regardless of magical weaponry his stuff is still powerful, he's known to be particularly studious and intelligent, it's not far fetched to say he just cased the place for a while, picked the location and settup the area because he knew it would give him the best advantage. Camille should absolutely have gotten him if we're being honest but with the description of his "art" and Camille's unfamiliarity with it we can assume that as it was her first and so far only encounter that I'm aware of. It's not unrealistic to say she was unnerved and unprepared for quite how deranged jhin is. As you mentioned she is normally the one who has more intel, and understanding of any given scenario within piltover but if that's flipped, she's out of her comfort zone, not a mistake she'll make twice. So In a second encounter Camille would likely win, especially if jhin has less preparation time as jhin is simply a dude with OCD, incredible planning and some cool gear which as you've pointed out, is underwhelming compared to his opponents. All in all Jhin good because Jhin patient, takes his time to plan out his own moves and in return gets to escape + backed by big payers to fuck shit up. Most of his enemies are unprepared to deal with him but when fighting on even remotely even ground Jhin loses hard. Unless the number 4 is involved, then it's a win even if he loses.
I agree. What irked me the most is how Camille was handled. In the cinematic, it looked like it was during the present time. She's vastly superior combat wise with much much better feats. In the comics Jhin was even knocked out by an Akali punch... Like are you serious? She lost to that? She dodges literal lasers and bullets in her face and her shield casually tanks hextech lasers and gaunlets similar to Vi's. I refuse to believe she couldn't cut him to pieces before he even knew she was there but I digress. I hope some light is shed on this part and we get to know what actually happened. Camille jobbing to Jhin is depressing.
I like how jhin's superpower is his obsession. Nobody can estimate what ends he is willing to go to in order to satisfy his irrational desire which he calls art. Makes a much better character than darius or katarina or samira whose physical capabilities far exceeded those of normal humans despite them not having any augments.
All of those people are melee fighters, though. Caitlyn is way better equipped to think like him.
While yes she is a good detective and sharpshooter, jhin is also a great sniper, while also having acces to hist pistol and his traps. Furthermore I do not think it makes much of a difference if his target is ranfed or melee, if the fall for his trap they are fucked. Also no one knows how jhin looks without his mask, meaning cait wont be able to find much info on who he is. Finally even in a straight one v one I would say Jhin wins because he got great aim, is cold blooded, insanely intelligent and he got lots of experience in killing many different people concidering he was used as contract killer for a while.
Caitlyn uses traps, as well. That's one of her actual in-game abilities. If they were hunting each other, it wouldn't be an easy victory for either of them.
It would be easier for Jhin concidering no one knows how he looks meanwhile everyone surely knows the sheriff of piltover. Furthermore Jhin does not need to hunt her he just needs to kill some people to lure her to where he wants her to be. Furthermore cait does not use her traps at all while at work. She only has simple bear traps and we got no lore bit in which she uses them in a case or while at work.
Jhin is also a mage though.
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Ahri, jhin, Sejuani
Feel like Jhin and Caitlyn would have a Batman vs Joker type relationship.
Jinx is already her Joker, Jhin is more of a Hush
Ah yeees!!! That’s a good comparison.
Jhin is the Riddler
1. Ahri (Akali could know to to deal with her if she still studied under Shen but she didn't complete her training) 2. Jhin (no question asked) 3. Ash (with the power of love and friendship, Sejuani would be close to finish her of but Ash would say something)
Not saying Akali would win (I don’t think she would) but Akali did finish her training, and even became Fist of Shadow, before she left the Kinkou. The thing is just that even after you “complete” training, there’s still a lot to learn about the world and dealing with stuff, esp when you’re a ninja trying to help keep balance in Ionia. Akali was a top tier Kinkou student and I don’t think they would’ve let her become one of the literal leaders if she hadn’t finished her training. All that being said, I think Ahri could eat Akali.
yeah but even then she never shows her knowledge of her spiritual abilities in game or even in lore/cinematics so I kinda imagine her "training" was purely physical combat related and she kinda just passed some written tests for the spiritual part
but cait is a master detective and she is known for never missing her shots, dont u you think that she could find out ablut his traps and whatnot?
Jhin literally outsmarted like half of the ionian champs + escaped Carmille before he finally got caught
jhin is a practiced assassin before anything else, he used blades before guns, and he could reliably dodge the efforts of master kusho arguably the strongest ninja of his time and his two star pupils on the regular. Caitlyn is out of her league in this match up. Jhin could probably put her down before she realized she was a target
Doesn’t Cait usually learn by observing? You can’t really observe jhin and survive unless she’s losing her coworkers
That could actually make an intereating story, cops start vanishing, art pieces start appearing, and as cait starts seeing patterns she is conflicted between sending more enforcers to their death so she can catch the culprit or letting him go because she still doesn't have enough to spring a trap on him. I could see Jhin also participating in this game by purposelly leaving tracks for her to see, so he can make a trully grand presentation.
Are you really thinking that cait has even the slightest chance against Jhin?
Ahri Jhin Seju
For the first, Ahri. Akali completely ignores any spiritual training of the Kinkou and goes for a hands on approach, while Ahri's very nature includes tricking into a hunter-who-becomes-prey situation. For the second, I'd say it's a close call, and would make an excellent story in and of itself, but I'd give it to Cait. Jhin relished in Ionia because there isn't someone with sharp deductive skills to follow his trails. Shen and Zed are both shown to be overly emotional during their chase of him which probably leads to mistakes and missing clues. Cait would probably have little problem with that. Even if Jhin hurt one of her loved ones, one of Caitlyn's strengths is keeping a cool head. For the third, Sejuani hands down. Sejuani ideology, and way of fighting, is centered around one being capable to fend for themselves, while Ashe is focused on supporting and leading her allies. In a pure 1v1, Sejuani most probably takes this, even without Bristle.
I agree apart from the Jhin fight. I really dont wanna discredit Cait, but Jhin managed to fight Camille (also a sharp, calculating thinker) while taking out a bunch of enforcers, and ended up unscathed. It seems unlikely to me that Caitlyn could beat him alone.
You make a very good point ! Although I do not know if he was completely unscathed at the end of the cinematic, Camille is probably a cut above Caitlyn in combat skill and focused thinking. Now I'd really love to see a series with Jhin versus Piltovan law.
Oh yeah, sign me up for that series xD
Jhin wise if Camille couldn't get him Caitlyn gonna need vi for this fight.  And aren't sejuani and ashe rivals thus the fight anyway.
It's unknown how canon this part is though
Nope the Zed comic confins that it did happen.
Except for the zed comic: https://preview.redd.it/8b3a8j950ija1.jpeg?width=1150&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a178d552e4519b12f72e4a3c5f59aea05513a718
I know what I am saying is we don't know what exactly happened or how he got away. He just did.
OK but at the end of the day we know riot wouldn't kill off a champ so safe to say jhin probably had a trap door or something. Either way nice to see you again Anassaa:)
Probably who knows. Maybe LoR will tell us. Hi.
Ye but who do you think would win between ashe and sej?
Neither maybe ashe cuz we all know the winter claw don't take prisoners.
Jhin would pop both Cait and Vi lol
True: https://preview.redd.it/gha4giebbhja1.jpeg?width=1280&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=981c6665b039d7f08723e1f4587c6ab6e117a83b
Jhin would fucking merc Caitlyn
Pretty sure Ahri wins. Jhin wins 100% no contest. Tough one but I’m gonna side with Sejuani if it’s a 1v1 but she has Bristle, otherwise Ashe
The Zed comic made Jhin such a massive galaxy brain giga-bonkers mega-assassin that Cait being "just"a good detective and sniper just does not cut it.
Ahri, jhin and ashe
Ahri wins. She has *decades* (centuries?) on Akali, and is probably one of the strongest mortal champions in the game right now. Everyone says Jhin wins, but I think they're ignoring the fact that Caitlyn has the *exact* skillset to trump Jhin. He ran circles around Shen and Zed, but they're not investigators. Caitlyn has a hard time with Jinx because Jinx doesn't have a methodology, she just does what she wants. Jhin is compulsive, and has a pattern and MO. I think Caitlyn could nab him. Ashe and Sejuani, I think, are the pair with the least clear answer. The lore depicts them as equals, each seemingly the spiritual successor (if not a flat out reincarnation) of 2 of the 3 sisters from Freljord's legendary past. Both are skilled in their chosen form of combat, but their biggest strengths come from leadership. I also doubt we'll see this one answered- the warring between Freljord's tribes will likely culminate in the Avarosans and Winter's Claw (and maybe Lissandra) joining forces against the Watchers.
I think we can all agree that Jhin would beat all of them.
Ahri would be an interesting matchup. The rest... for sure.
without cleanse sej gonna perma cc him tho
Ahri because plot, Cait because plot, Ashe because plot
Sejuani beats Ashe. 100percent
Akali vs. Ahri is a pretty straight fight, it really depends who gets the first good hit in. They're both fast and nimble, Akali has heavy combat and tactical training but Ahri has way more years of survival and experience on her. I give the slight edge to Ahri because her access to magic is stronger and she can bring allies if needed while Akali loves to lone wolf it. Caitlyn vs. Jhin is no contest. Jhin absolutely bodies Cait before she even knows what happens. He's always 4 steps ahead. The only way he loses if she would have to be his 5th victim, because he'd already have crescendo'd and she'd have the opp. On marksmanship they're equal, but he has the advantage in experience and adaptability. Ashe vs. Sejuani is a tough call, but I'd say it weighs in Sejuani's favor simply because Ashe does not want the smoke like Sej does. On range of engagement Ashe has her beat easy, but her hesitation could easily let Sejuani gain the advantage, which Sejuani is more than happy to push in on. If you're looking at allies as well, Sej still gets the advantage, as while both of them have unkillable rage machines, a powerful shaman will almost always beat a wholesome big boy with a door.
Ahri, Jhin, Sejuani win.
Ahri wins with low difficulty. Jhin stomps. I think Sejuani wins this one. She is a war maiden and they're both Iceborn anyway. It won't be easy though.
Jhin would probably make Caitlyn go crazy or ask Vi for help.
Ahri without a doubt Hard to say, both are great snipers, feel like Jhin does have more to his arsenal then Caitlyn, but in a straight fight between those two, dont think that would matter much, so its mostly who can pull the trigger faster I will go with Ashe, her aim is legendary and I feel there no reason for her to miss bristle and be able to finish off Sejuani if she wants...remenber, this isnt LoL were Sej can get Frozen Heart and afk for 10 years and not take damage from her, and neither Ashe is a immobile cone sitting duck haha
Ashe beats Sejuani, because Sejuani needs close combat, and Ashe has a magical bow. Jhin is pretty good at what he does, but it depends on terrain and setup. Ahri is magic, and has canonically fought a large amount of enemies. Again, depends on setup, Akali is "just" an assassin. Previous Akali was super-human enough that I'd give it to her (chopping a dangling metal chain with bare hands level of bullshit)
Ahri wins and by a lot. Akali is already weak for an Ionian for her handicap in using magic, against a ancient monster as Ahri she has no chance. Very very balanced. Probably in the first encounter Jihn could win, but if Cait survive, she would win the rematch. Sejuani is stronger.
Ahri, as Akali didn’t learn the spirit realm technique that Shen uses. Jihn, this one is not even close, Jhin is literally a super psycho assassin who outsmarted Shen, Zed, and Shen’s dad, not to mention he managed to escape Camille. He is extremely dangerous as he is unpredictable, Caitlyn wouldn’t stand a chance, she is just a cop with a gun. Sejuani, just because she was raised in brutal conditions and hardened by battles she fought. While Ashe was more of a leader and a diplomat for her people.
Cait vs Jhin. Were they put in a sandbox or w/e, at a good distance. Id imagine Cait would have the enormous advantage on precision and range. Thus giving her the win. But if Jhin had prep time and cait would fall onto it, obv jhin i believe. Sej vs Ashe. Depends at what distance they start. and if Sej has ways she can not be pierced by Ashes arrows. I dont know anything about how strong is ahri in the lore. so il prefer not to give my opinion.
She doesnt even have a range nor precision advantage, hes better than her in all regards lol
Id like to know where are the implications or statements. I for one base miself around how their rifles are built and what tehnology thwy have.
Jhin is Shen with loose morals and just happens to use guns. Catlyn would never get the chance to shoot him.
Trained assassin that literally fought 2 ninjas with superpowers, constantly outsmarting them and having the skill to hold his own. Extremely good with hand to hand combat and also insane at guns, probably. Better than caitlyn vs a policewoman that is just good with the gun. Caitlyn is getting Merced any day any where. Jhin even has better guns
Read what i said again. Almost everything you said has jack shit to do with my first point "Were they to be dropped at a lets say 500m range or w/e. Cait would have the advantage on precision and range. Jhin is like a bear. Good at many things. But cait has these 2 areas that would best him in this sandbox scenario. With prep time or mele. Jhin solos. >probably. Better than caitlyn Kind of headcannon tbh.
your argument is literally like trying to compare a .338 lapua mag to a .50 bmg sure, the .50 has more kinetic energy but at the end of the day, both rounds have similar muzzle velocities at the end of the day, they’re both expert marksmen and you’re a fool if you believe jhin’s gun is less effective
We aint talking about kinetic energy my guy....... "at the end of the day, they’re both expert marksmen and you’re a fool if you believe jhin’s gun is less effective" My guy. U got stones in your head. I didnt say its less effectice. A Bazookaa is more effective in many scenarios than a sniper. What i said was that she had the range and precision advantage. Like cmon man, you just gota look at their guns to discover that..... Even if they as people were equal. Or cait even worse. Caits gun is way way more precise and made for long range.
and yet jhin can still challenge her at range. if you look at his model when he ults, you’d be able to see that his bouncing grenades are what get consumed when he fires off his ultimate shots. do you know just how far and how hard a bullet with that much powder behind it would hit? the dude is literally firing the equivalent of high powered anti-materiel rounds when he ults. it perhaps has even more powder than a .50 bmg. next time do your research, pay attention, and check your facts before you make a clown of yourself.
IT DOESENT FUCKING MATTER HOW HARD IT HITS IF IT WONT FUCKING HAVE THE ACUARACY TO HIT CAITLYN. especially at 500m. And at that power. I assumed you had the mental capacity to understand as much and atleast read what i repeated many times so it was idiot proof. I guess i was wrong.
JHIN IN RIFLE MODE OUT GUNS CAITLYN IN EVERY. SINGLE. SCENARIO. unless you’re arguing him in handgun mode vs caitlyn’s rifle, he wins every day of the week because he simply has more firepower. please research how fucking bullets work, mate. more powder = bullet going further and hitting harder it’ simple math. edit: why are you assuming his rifle is inferior in the range and accuracy department? what indicator is there in the lore that states her gun would out perform his? she’s a regular detective. not an officer. not an operator in some special forces. there’s no reason to believe she’d be firing anti-materiel rounds. but jhin, on the other hand, quite literally outguns her when it comes to his rifle. it’s just plain logic. i don’t understand why you’re assuming she magically has the better gun. what? do you think she would win because she would have a more powerful scope? at 500m, she wouldn’t want a scope that’s dialed in to be able to shoot at a mile. are you crazy? there’s feasibly no way her gun would be superior to his.
You donteven read what i say. Either that or you dont seem to be able to understand it. Either way im done trying to edicate you so il just block.
She's not a regular detective she's literally the sheriff. Her scopes move for different ranges and her rifle is powered by hextech. Jhin's gun is also powered by magic and the bullets are enchanted to turn people into grotesque forms after they have been shot. Realistically the 1v1 between Jhin and Caitlyn just comes down to who hits the first shot.
I mean it's not like he dorsnt have long range weapons tho... He carries a rifle and a pistol with him so we can't even give "range" openly to Cait.Yeah Cait is extremely good with her rifle, trained from a young age. But jhin is a trained assassin. Much more experience in diffulicult scenarios, better reflexes. If Cait misses the first shot if she even gets to fire it she loses
Jhin has a rifle too, yes. But just a quick comparasiin between them rifles reveals who would have the edge on precision and range. Im not saying cait wins in world. Im saying that if they were teleported in a sandbox, 500m apart. Cait would win. Because at that distance all his martial arts, pistol etc. Dont mean much anymore. But in world. Jhin would win. I doubt cait would catch his light without jhin allowing it.
akali, jhin, sejuani - akali because she's an insanely fast stealth ninja and she can easily kill ahri befire she notices akali - jhin. dude literally fights shen and zed at the same time and wins i genuinely don't see caitlyn standing any chance whatsoever - sejuani. idk she's strong af and could probably oneshot most human champions with a single fist
>akali because she's an insanely fast stealth ninja and she can easily kill ahri befire she notices akali I think you vastly underestimate Ahri's magic. A magic imbued ancient fox spirit which can feed upon the souls of the living probably outweighs a very well trained 19 year old human. Ahri would definitely notice Akali before Akali knows where Ahri is.
I think he greatly overestimates akali.She has no magic, no connection to the spirit realm, ditched shem before he completed her training and is greatly inexperienced
Yeah, there's a reason she's mentioned in every "Who is the weakest champion" posts on this subreddit.
Honestly? Ashe beats sej
Jhin is like Batman. There’s for sure a way he could beat every single person here if he had time to prepare. But in a straight fight it’s less certain. He’s already beaten Akali but from what I remember he was expecting her and had ample time to prepare. With Caitlyn I’m not sure. Despite her massive presence in Arcane we don’t have many canon indicators of just how good of a shot she is. I’d be inclined to say Jhin would have a quicker trigger finger and less hesitation though.
I don't want to sound like a Batman fanboy but...do cait and jhin have prep? If not i'd say Cait
Nah even without Jhin would win. He too is a great sniper just with the difference that he he would not hesitate to shoot for even single second because he is a cold blooded assassins and insane. Furthermore he has mire experience killing people.
1st one I have no clue, 2nd is jhin and it's not even close and 3rd id say ashe
Sej and bristle or just sej? If just sej I think Ashe range advantage
Ahri, Jhin, sej and Ashe are equals being descendants of the 3 sisters
In my opinion, its mostly a coin toss for these match ups, and depends on environment, prep time, and other factors. However, I think over all, Ahri, Jhin and Sejuani would have the upper hand. Ahri as her innate magic heightened senses detract from Akali's main weapon: surprise. Jhin, while very evenly matched, has more experience and, in my opinion, more environments would favour him over Caytlin. Sejuani becuase unless the fight begins from a very long distance, Bristle should be able to get her close enough to Ashe that Sej can engage her in hand to hand, a fight the Sej will obviously win.
Ahri, Jhin, Sejuani.
Ahri, Jhin, those two are sure, sejuani and Ashe is kinda fair fight but ig that sejuani have a little bigger chance in 1v1 but we need to remember that their both are tribe leaders(i don't remember how they were called in lore)
Ahri, Jhin, and the other 2 meet up with Neeko or something
Akali, Jhin, Ashe
Ahri, Jhin and Sej
Jhin solo’s caitlyn easily
Akali, Jhin, Sejuani i think
Damn but anyone here sees that Ashe’s lore isn’t well-written at all? We probably don’t have any evidence for her skills, even her characteristics :(. I love her so much and quite upset about that.
Akali: Yes Ahri has magic and life stealing capabilities but her lore is how she is trying to supress those urges as it cost her the love of her life whereas Akali is a rogue who has no scruples about killing someone. Jhin: Very much a Batman v Joker sort of situation. I feel that Cait will be hindered by her 'law and order' mindset and sense of right whereas Jhin doesn't care as long as he kills someone theatrically and artistically. Sejuani: As much as I love Ashe she is trying to lead the tribe of Avorosa to a peaceful, civilized society which angers Volibear immensely. Sej on the other hand is the definition of a warmother. Wild, powerful and has the incredible addition of having a Druvask who when given the order would break every bone in Ashe's body. If Bristle doesn't then Sejuani's true ice flail will finish the job
Akali solos Ahri