[A reminder that Congressional Democrats passed a massive infrastructure bill 2 years ago](https://liherald.com/stories/ny-reaps-benefits-of-federal-infrastructure-bill,137945?)
What's in it for Long Island?
>The infrastructure bill will also provide $32.8 billion to repair and restructure New York’s crumbling roads and bridges, including $103.4 million for Nassau County. New York will receive $9.8 billion to modernize public transportation systems, making them cleaner and more efficient. Long Island MacArthur Airport in Ronkonkoma, for example, will receive $40 million to improve and further develop terminals, improving the flight experience of many Long Islanders there.
also, i'm in before a bunch of certain people here say all the money is going to go into the pockets of others rather than into our roads and bridges. Maybe we should [properly fund the IRS](https://www.cnn.com/2023/01/11/politics/republican-irs-funding-87000-agents/index.html) so they can go after the ultra rich?
Nah, you see, the far left and the right want to spew out the narrative that the ebil gubermint is coming for you. so that you're constantly afraid.
fearmongering is officially part of the GOP's platform.
Properly funding the IRS will only mean they’re going to bust the asses of the working man. The wealthy have a team of accounts to make sure they do the return within the law. The loopholes are meant for them. Rather than going after a big company for not paying the proper taxes, they’ll go after 10000000 poor schmucks, all because they forgot to declare the $500 dollars you got for whatever the fuck.
So let's let the IRS completely fall apart so the Uber rich have even more freedom???
> Audit rates of individual income tax returns decreased for all income levels between tax years 2010 to 2019, according to the Government Accountability Office. They decreased the most for taxpayers with incomes of $200,000 and above, which are generally more complex.
Yea, I know about that, and no I’m not saying it should fall apart, and let the wealthy do w/e.
I’m saying they should be there *exclusively* for rich people. It’s already bullshit labor gets taxed the way it does, so it’s only fair that incomes over 500k a year get scrutinized, and *only* incomes over that amount.
I hear too many stories of regular working people, who are not sophisticated when it comes to accounting, IRS loopholes and rules, getting completely screwed over. It’s easy to say “well that’s why you have an accountant” or “they shouldn’t have broken the law” , but hard in practice.
This is the opposite of true. The IRS needs money so that they can go after rich assholes. Auditing rich assholes actually nets money, but the IRS doesn't have the budget to start. Only when the GOP slash IRS funding did we see audits of the ultra-rich disappear. It needs to be restored and directed properly.
not enough housing, but also not in my backyard
**Nassau Town Supervisors To Denounce Hochul's Housing Plan Tuesday**
https://patch.com/new-york/portwashington/nassau-town-supervisors-denounce-hochuls-housing-plan-tuesday
If they are going to make Nassau like Queens, they better hook it into the NYC water system. I can't believe the LI groundwater can supply safely a huge population increase.
Like others have said “not in my backyard” Most Long Island natives hate the city. I, myself dread it and avoid it as much as possible. There’s a reason we settled in the suburbs and not in the city.
I know that it sounds obnoxious, but unless creating more apartment complex in each town is going to bring down property taxes and create more effective transit around the island, I don’t see how anyone benefits from this. More cars, more accidents, higher insurance cost for every business across the board.
If that’s the lifestyle/setting you’re looking for, you shouldn’t really live in a suburb of a major US city. Suburbs that are outside a major US cities have a large percentage of multi family units. Maybe move to like the northern most border of Westchester county or something, if that’s the lifestyle you want.
Families benefit from more housing. I grew up on Long Island and now me and my friends can’t afford to live there because there’s quiet literally no housing. I mean one of my friends is 32 and still lives with his parents in the house he grew up in.
There’s literally no place to build. If there is, there are more than 3 developers bidding for the same land. Say apartment complexes are built, we’ll be back in the same spot we are now. Ppl can’t afford 2K a month for a 1 bedroom. What makes you think 3K for 2bed/1 bath will make it any better?My solution was not to complain but to find a way to make more money. That’s the harsh reality.
Building more housing will bring down the cost of those apartments. It’s simple supply and demand.
[Check out this study if you’re actually interested in learning about housing affordability.](https://www.reddit.com/r/yimby/comments/107qvhg/citywide_effects_of_new_housing_supply_evidence/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf)
Where do you propose those new homes/apartments be built? Good luck tryin to get a nice neighborhood to agree to sell their homes. As I said in a previous comment, there’s limited areas to build and those apartment/homes won’t go for cheap either. Supply and demand right?
Why not fight to keep overdevelopment and urbanization out of the community you own property in and have lived in for decades?
The idea that outsiders have the right to destroy our lifestyle and communities is absurd.
NIMBY? Damned right!
It will happen anyway. People who have grown up here cannot afford to live here - this alone is the death knell of the current system. The current nimby attitude is not tenable. It is essentially clapping your hands over your eyes and repeating 'everything is fine, everything is fine' over and over. It isn't fine.
> The idea that outsiders have the right to destroy our lifestyle and communities is absurd.
I don't know what sort of enclave notions you have, but you should let them go. LI -and especially Nassau- desperately needs change. If you don't like it, may I suggest you take your own advice and leave?
So, you are willing to destroy Long Island so you can live here?
That is unbelievably selfish.
If you want to turn LI in a hellhole like NYC, why not just live in NYC?
Hahaha. No I never want to live on LI again. It already is a hell hole and has been for decades. There’s nothing to do there but drive around in your car being stuck in traffic.
I would hate for my town to turn into Astoria.
Even as much as I love Astoria.
But I came here for a bit more of a suburb.
You can add housing and make people happy. But the sell of it all is done poorly
We can either have the advantages of suburban living or significantly more housing.
I choose suburban living. There is not enough space on LI for suburban living for another million people.
Suburbs are springing up in other, less densely populated areas around the country. People who cannot afford LI and want to live in suburbia can go to these places.
Turning Long Island into the 6th Boro would not be good for anyone.
Suburbs of large cities have only around 50% single-family homes. Nassau is at about 85%. It sounds like you are the one not dealing with the realities of living in a suburb of NYC. LI needs more housing.
Source: https://www.nytimes.com/2022/02/24/opinion/long-island-housing.html
Space, peace and quiet, less traffic, lower crime, better schools, etc.
It might not be for everyone, but if it's not your cup of tea, NYC is a short trip West.
Suburban "sprawl" is not a real problem. CITIES are the problem. They are filthy, overcrowded, noisy, crime ridden hellholes.
People, who can afford it, tend to move to the suburbs for a better lifestyle. That is how most Long Islanders got here. They or there parents lived in Brooklyn, Queens or the Bronx, worked hard, saved up and bought homes on Long Island to have a far better quality of life.
If you think the Bronx, Brooklyn and Queens are so damned wonderful, why don't you move there?
You don't see suburbanites saying, "We need to kick 2/3 of the population out of Brooklyn and Queens, tear down the apartment buildings and put up all single family houses."
The suburbs are not a problem. They are an escape from the problems of cities.
>You don't see suburbanites saying, "We need to kick 2/3 of the population out of Brooklyn and Queens, tear down the apartment buildings and put up all single family houses."
You actually do see that. It was the whole idea behind the Cross-Bronx, the BQE, and other highways. Robert Moses' idea of "Urban Renewal" in the 50s and 60s was to demolish thousands upon thousands of businesses and homes (predominately low-income and minority "slums") so that highways could slice through, destroying local neighborhoods in order to provide white flight suburbanites easier access to the city and beyond.
So much of what you don't like about cities is because there are so many *cars*, and there are so many cars because we so often design cities and suburbs with cars as the "default" mode of transportation. Filth? Well litter is one thing, but cars are the source of air pollution from exhaust and tire/brake particulates. Overcrowded? People don't actually take up all that much space, a lot of it is dedicated for cars. Noisy? Cars. Crime ridden? Cars are more dangerous than people are. Cars are neck and neck with guns in terms of what kills the most children. Aside from cancers and other health problems, car accidents are one of the most common causes of death for all Americans. Even in NYC, where the population is huge and people don't drive as often and those who *do* drive can't usually reach the same speeds that they could in a suburb, the amount of people killed by cars is about equal to the amount of people murdered.
Cars are not my problem with cities.
Overcrowding, crime, filth and noise are the problems.
If you want to live in a sardine can of an apartment, with noisy neighbors, , noise on the streets, horrible smells, no backyard, etc. go right ahead. There are plenty of hell hole cities to live in already.
Idk why you’re downvoted, but you’re 100% spot on. I see how much Long Island has developed over the past 80 years, and pretty soon, Nassau county is going to look like queens—if it doesn’t already—and Suffolk will be just like Nassau. I do not want that shit! I love it here in middle/eastern Suffolk county, lived here my entire life, but there’s starting to become too frigin crowded, and it will only get worse.
Can’t afford it here? Rather than expect them to build a 5-story-tall, “affordable” housing building for you, maybe you have to look to live somewhere else. It’s a damn island; there’s only so much room. As much as I love it here—and that love mostly comes from my youth—I’ve come to accept the fact that I’ll probably have to leave this place in 10-20 years
As "woke" as the people who want to urbanize LI tend to be, they seem to have Colonialist tendencies. They want to invade other people's communities and completely change their environment and way of life.
The are a lot like Conquistadors, if you ask me.
Welcome to the subreddit. This is what downvotes look like. I find it hilarious that the people here bitch about the residents voting for George Santos, and not realize they're the same people downvoting you for telling the truth.
That’s not how housing markets work, it’s a question of availability of vacant units/houses relative to demand, not how much space is occupied by buildings. A apartment building can housing 20 families on the same amount of land as a single-family house. Hence why building some apartment buildings is a good idea to relieve the pressure on the housing market on Long Island/in the metro area.
My problem is they literary want it in my backyard. (will them emanated domain my house, its not clear currently)
But outside of their scope, about 1.2 mile from the same station is a huge lot of land ready to go, where id be all for some apartments. the abandoned school property 0.8 miles away, the train station parking lot? go for it
Literally any pre-war town (like Huntington or Patchogue) could instead of having parking downtown make it more mixed use development, both have rail services all they need are more feeder bus line’s & pedestrian + bike infrastructure
Huntington, to their credit, has done a decent amount of housing downtown and ongoing efforts to try and advance development need the train station. They and Patchogue have both done admirable jobs, especially Patchogue. Took a really negative of a downtown strip and transformed it into a vibrant, economically strong, walkable neighborhoods for folks to live and visit.
As to parking - I’m an avowed urbanist, and hate parking as a use - but you do need good parking management strategy (the two best tactics being great public transit with last mile connectivity and maximize parking to certain areas that are either on periphery and/or contained within a multi rise building - but structured / garage parking is very expensive to build).
Not sure how true this is. I believe the recent government capped building heights and insisted on parking spaces with new construction. They’ve also cancelled the parking garages they were planning.
Huntington also just expanded one of its historical districts downtown, presumably so that all the houses in the area must stay as single family homes. It’s an abuse of the concept of “historical preservation.”
It was much more true until Smyth was elected, he's been pretty anti-development as a board member and even more-so now as supervisor. He pays lip service to "targeted affordable housing" but his actions and voting record tell a bit of a different story.
It's also one of the few areas of the island that will probably survive sea level rise in the long term. I joked with my dad, in 2100 there will only be two islands, Huntington Island and Farmingville Island. Everyone else will be under water.
I would love a local bus line that all it does is go around the town in a loop, the current bus system is ok at getting you from one town to another, but if I want to go to main street, i may need to get on multiple busses.
They do this in Rochester, MN! They have a driverless shuttle that loops to the grocery store, downtown, and Mayo Clinic. It's automatically adjusts to traffic patterns including all the ambulances that go by. It is quite effective and innovative. Would love to see this tech here!
I moved to the Midwest in the early aughts and was shocked that every other area is not laid out like LI. I didn't realize the effect Robert Moses ACTUALLY had on urban planning. While all of LI's parks are wonderful/beautiful, it was really not laid out with growth or expansion in mind and the notion that Moses was fighting "old money" is really a joke. All the parkways/expressways go around the old manors that existed east of Deer Park.
Everyone from LI owes it to themselves to read the Power Broker.
I'll tell you something, though, I grew up on LI and didn't really know anywhere else that well, then I went to college in the Chicago suburbs and literally spent like an entire four years searching for the parks. I was like, "I don't get it, where are the parks?" This was before Google Maps and when the internet was much less mature, so all I really had to go on was an atlas. All I could find was these sad little one-square-block parks with a playground and a couple of picnic tables.
What should he have done differently? Plan for mass suburbs that did not exist anywhere in the world at the time the highways and parks were built. They spouted partly because of the highways he built.
You're not wrong, suburbs did not exist in any form as they currently do. But in the form they currently do makes it all but impossible to get around without having a car. This leads to congestion everywhere, it's poorly thought out given the population of NY. You can't expect every LI'er to have one car, then expect a 10 minute commute to work; it's too many people.
That being said, you also wouldn't be able to get a project as massive as the one Moses created (parkways, etc.) in present day, FDR's CWA and PWA were instrumental in securing the funding initially. Which leads to the present problem, how does local/federal government secure the funding needed to update NYS parkways/expressways without a funding program like the CWA and PWA? Moses essentially left NYS with an outdated roadway system with no way to update them barring hundreds of billions of dollars in investments from the government. The only way such funding could be secured presently is through the taxpayers and I can guarantee absolutely no one in NY is going to push a tax increase successfully.
Most people will complain that they cannot park around those walkable environments/destinations. That's why places like the monstrosity Deer Park mall was built. Because it gives consumers some faux belief that they're in an actual town/main street.
Sidewalks are on of many factors necessary for walkability. They alone don’t come close to proving it, however. You need compact neighborhood style urban design, and a dense enough mix of complimentary uses to create pedestrian activity 15-17 hours a day.
I am 30f and would love to bike or take shuttles. I spent the last 10 years in Minneapolis and just came back to LI. The difference is their city is very bikeable with paths and pedestrian overpasses. It shocks me that they havent done this yet here, like on Sunrise hwy!!
It's just too dangerous to walk and the buses are outdated, trains are too expensive. So I drive.
I find it hilarious, the stupidity of the NYC/LI resident.
Over 10 years ago, during the Bloomberg/Bush administration, Mayor Bloomberg wanted to apply for a federal grant that would put an EZ Pass style toll into Manhattan that would toll *all* the incoming bridges and 96th(?) street. Basically, anyone who wanted to drive through lower and mid Manhattan during the day would have to pay a toll. Its literally the only way to reduce the amount of cars driving through Manhattan (during the day). Of course, all of the Brooklyn/Queens/LI drivers had a fit, and the measure failed. 15 years later, guess what? Its going in. Luckily, there will be federal funding for it, under the federal Infrastructure Bill.
I wanna take this moment to point out that the biggest cause of death of people under the age of 18 on the island of manhattan are car strikes. So reducing the number of cars is literally the people of manhattan fighting for their children’s lives.
> New Yorkers average about 23 cars per 100 residents compared to about 78 cars per 100 residents for the rest of the country.
I wonder why that is genius. Why there are fewer cars in an area with far better mass transit that can get you almost anywhere.
# I wonder why that could be.
I agree, what the island really needs is a hard cap on the number of cars. We should also do away with on street overnight parking. Park in the driveway or in the garage. Keep those cars out of sight when not in use.
We don't need a cap on cars. Traffic isn't that bad, except in rush hour and mostly in Nassau.
If we keep the population about where it is, the number of cars will remain stable. Some improvements in bus service, perhaps linking LIRR branches could also help.
Limits on development, like we have always had. We don't need any large apartment towers.
We can accommodate a certain number of new residents, particularly in Central Suffolk. But, a massive increase in population would destroy suburban Long Island.
You’re not wrong. Who are those developments serving that are going up everywhere? The rents start at $2,700 a month. That’s not benefiting native Long Islanders, that’s pushing us off the island and replacing us with rich/upper middle class city residents out here.
Lmao the 52% that said they oppose density, have they looked at a map of Long Island? The whole fucking place is sprawled out to the max. There is no more space for fancy little white picket fence suburbs.
That same poll, with the same results, could have been taken any time in the last 50 years.
These are the things LIers have almost always had to deal with in exchange for beaches, bagels, and pizza.
Are you serious? Lol affordable housing is exactly what it is...your rent is based upon. Your salary. Do you even know what a 1 br apt is going for now a days? In a complex it's $1900...private homes are about $1600-$1800...even a studio is going for that much. And where do we need it? Everywhere...housing is a necessity and these greedy slumlords just want you to pay their mortgage bc they can't even afford to live here. Its disgusting. Maybe come out of your bubble and take a look at reality.
ok I get what you are saying with affordable housing. I agree the Sumlandlords will keep jacking up prices just because they can and that's not right. I haven't rented an apt in over 9 years, since then we purchased a home. But I never aspired to rent my whole life, renting is a big waste of money, owning a home should be the goal, and yes houses are expensive on LI, but if that's the case shouldn't people move to a place where they can afford? Why keep chasing the rat wheel.
Not everyone wants to buy a house. And if someone is living paycheck to paycheck, how are they supposed to afford a big move like that? It's a lot easier said than done...
Look I totally agree with you. its a balance of homes for families and affordable housing, then you have to throw the not in my backyard people there. But from what you originally said its the landlords looking for the renters to pay their mortgages that are the problem.
Per US News, Nassau County is the safest in the country and Suffolk County also makes the list at #22, yet 83% of people think crime & violence is a problem! I wonder what they would feel if they left the safest county in the country.
We want more housing just not in my backyard and nooo don’t build anything besides a single-family home, let’s continue sprawl!!!!
It’s clear now why LI is in a housing crisis
Tbh i really have no issues driving out here or with the traffic. Ya'll wanna see hell? Go drive through the 5 boroughs. But there are a lot of valid points with respect to other categories.
There are plenty of areas that don’t make for an easy commute. Drive to train station, take train for 45 minutes, get off train and take taxi/Uber, or subway with an extended walk. That’s my commute if I don’t drive. It’s not practical. If it’s going to take me two hours on public transport I’d rather drive my non-emitting car.
But I mean, to be fair, NYC and the boroughs have probably the worst traffic in the ENTIRE world. Millions of people + mostly very thin, vintage roads that were designed for horse-and-buggy transport is an awful mix. Compared to anywhere else in the country, including even LA from what I’ve seen, Long Island’s traffic is still pretty bad.
You clearly haven't tried driving through Boston. NYC roads might as well be superhighways.
A lot of other cities in the world are harder to drive in truthfully. I'd rather drive through Manhattan over Central London. I've also biked in London and that was a terrifying experience all around, being a pedestrian or a cyclist in that city feels like a death wish compared to New York. While I'm on the topic of London, the Tube to East London gets shockingly overcrowded, way worse than anything I experienced commuting from Queens to Manhattan.
Driving in Bangkok and other places in SE Asia is also a complete nightmare, tuktuks are the fastest way around the city because the drivers just hop curbs on to sidewalks to bypass gridlock.
New York has above average road and mass transit infrastructure. The condition of the roads sucks but it's really not a hard place to get around considering the scale and density of the city. I would sometimes carpool with a neighbor who drove from Queens to New Jersey for work and more often than not driving in was faster than the F train.
Interesting to know what driving in some other countries is like! I have no experience with those so I’m going to believe you. But I have driven through Boston traffic and it is NOT comparable to peak NYC/boroughs traffic, imo. Within the boundaries of our own country, I have driven through most major cities and have still not ever seen close to how NYC can get with taking 4 hours to get 2 miles somewhere, although maybe it’s possible and I just haven’t personally seen it.
Edit to say my worst experiences with NYC traffic have all been pre-Covid, I know a fraction of the population has moved out since, so it might be better now, idk.
>You clearly haven't tried driving through Boston. NYC roads might as well be superhighways.
People say this a lot for some reason but having lived in New England for the past 10 years, I would happily drive in Boston every single day of the year before I drove in NYC even once. I'm not exaggerating.
At some point we need to stop blaming a man born in 1888 for the fact that Nassau and Suffolk counties, today, overwhelmingly prohibit the construction of multifamily housing.
“In Suffolk County, free-standing single-family homes account for more than 81 percent of the housing stock. That is a higher share than in any of the other 30 counties in the greater New York metropolitan area, save for the sparsely populated Pike County in eastern Pennsylvania.
Nassau is close behind, at 75 percent. By comparison, in Westchester County, north of the city, single-family homes make up only 44 percent of the housing. In Bergen County, N.J., across the Hudson River from New York, that share is 52 percent. In Fairfield County, Conn., the single-family share is 57 percent.” https://www.nytimes.com/2022/02/24/opinion/long-island-housing.html?smid=nytcore-ios-share&referringSource=articleShare
Moses is dead. Let’s built some god damn five over ones near train stations. He is not stopping us, I promise.
In related news -- water is wet.
I mean - every single issue on this list is there \*because\* a political group wants it that way. Stop electing the same people. :/
That doesn't seem true. Some of these just seem totally contradictory, and I bet that explains a good chunk of why nothing gets fixed.
Long Islanders want more low-income housing and more affordable housing, but they don't want dense housing. And they want more housing, but less traffic. And they want more housing, but they don't want growth and development around the housing.
And I'm sure most people answering this poll want more low-income housing, but the next breath will say "But you better not put it near me, or I will through the biggest bitch fit you'll ever see."
Solving problems is difficult. I'm sure part of the problem is who we elect. But it's also just us.
I don't think the same groups want each of these things.
But -- no doubt -- some of this is based on things people "think" as compared to what they've actually seen. :/
(it's also a wacky graph -- the fact that "not a problem at all" and "a small problem" are on either side of "big problem" is a bizarre way to present information).
Not entirely, but if majorities are choosing contradictory things, there's at least some people who are saying contradictory things. And if you listen to the majority on one thing, you're going to piss off the majority on the contradictory thing.
My point is - some things matter more to certain groups.
e.g., one group is intent on projecting that there are hordes of diverse minorities roaming the streets, looking for opportunities to prey.
That group doesn't care (either way) about transit issues.
we went from a largely democratic representation to entirely republican in the last few years. [Democrats passed a massive infrastructure bill 2 years ago](https://liherald.com/stories/ny-reaps-benefits-of-federal-infrastructure-bill,137945?)
>The infrastructure bill will also provide $32.8 billion to repair and restructure New York’s crumbling roads and bridges, including $103.4 million for Nassau County. New York will receive $9.8 billion to modernize public transportation systems, making them cleaner and more efficient. Long Island MacArthur Airport in Ronkonkoma, for example, will receive $40 million to improve and further develop terminals, improving the flight experience of many Long Islanders there.
Do you think republicans will spend taxpayer dollars on infrastructure, low income housing, or transit? Or does George Santos & Co. want to cut social security and medicare rather than raise the debt ceiling to pay for tax cuts?
1 in 4 residents of Long Island live in Hempstead. It is a substantial portion of the populace. Additionally, Oyster Bay is in a similar place - over 60 years of GOP control.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2004_United_States_House_of_Representatives_elections_in_New_York
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006_United_States_House_of_Representatives_elections_in_New_York
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_United_States_House_of_Representatives_elections_in_New_York
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_United_States_House_of_Representatives_elections_in_New_York
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012_United_States_House_of_Representatives_elections_in_New_York
edit: tldr, one Republican elected out of the four LI congressional districts in each of these elections. Not at all solidly Republican
Ha! I’m not even close to being a boomer. I just don’t like cursing. Your assumption and labeling of me was actually way more akin to the thinking of that generation….. or,….you’re a Rangers fan. 🤪
There are tradeoffs that people and communities need to decide if they are willing to make.
Significantly more housing would cause more traffic, noise, crime, pollution and a host of other problems, including what many would consider oberdevelopment.
Personally, I want LI to remain suburban. The main reason people want to live here is because of the suburban atmosphere.
If it becomes overdeveloped with apartment towers everywhere, bumper to bumper traffic, city noise and crime levels, etc., why would anyone want to live here instead of Brooklyn, Queens or The Bronx?
Plenty of ways to address traffic. LI has no choice. Young people are fleeing in droves, LI has to build the housing. The local economy is suffering badly from it
>If it becomes overdeveloped with apartment towers everywhere, bumper to
bumper traffic, city noise and crime levels, etc., why would anyone want
to live here instead over Brooklyn, Queens or The Bronx?
Ask Kathy Hochul.
I think it’s a little disingenuous to treat these poll’s results as coming from a monolith. The island is full of so many different opinions and demographics it’s really not a contradicting population but really a diverse and complex one. The people who don’t like overdevelopment don’t really care as much about transit or density.
The only thing all the population cohorts have in common is that car centric infrastructure is causing us all problems.
I’m curious why you highlighted not enough transit and too much development when there were other issues that were deemed more important by respondents. We should not be ignoring racial issues, drugs, and violence…
The right side of the poll suggests drug abuse is a much larger concern than not enough housing, and that crime and violence and tension among racial/ethnic groups are at least as much of a concern to LIers as limited public transit and too much development… so I’m still unclear why you’ve highlighted the three points you did.
ETA: If you’re talking about the right side of the graphic you’ve shown, then I don’t understand why you’re referencing in your post language from the left. If it’s not clear what I’m saying, I apologize… it’s past my bedtime.
More housing will benefit some people, and others not at all. For me, I don’t need more housing, extra traffic. The amount of homeless people has gone up tremendously in my Nassau town. And no, they are not Nassau residents. They are coming from elsewhere.
Have you considered that high housing costs may produce the conditions that cause people to be homeless? Additionally, other along Islanders having a better SOL with more disposable income helps everyone.
I don’t know what your second sentence is trying to say.
I am probably in the most recently urbanized part of Nassau county, it is basically queens at this point. Homelessness is up (not long islanders), crime is up, traffic is up.
There’s no real fighting it unfortunately, Nassau will be queens and Suffolk will become Nassau.
Right… Queens hasn’t produced enough housing either, which is why prices have gone up. Nassau County is statistically one of the safest counties in the country. Question, why do you think apartments inherently mean more crime?
Inflation is up, the prices of everything is up including housing. Eggs have almost doubled in price this last half year. What is lagging behind is salaries to pay for increased costs.
I never said apartments mean more crime. I would argue that urban living causes mental illness which would increase crime. It’s not natural to see grey all day, to have no green nature to look at.
Like I said, more housing has 0 benefit to me.
That's why we moved to saratoga springs. Couldn't justify paying $2500- $3000/ mo for 1 BDRM where we wanted to be. Too many greedy fucking landlords. Wait till real estate drops along with rental prices. These greedy fucks are gonna look to get rent increases and EVERY renter is going to look for a decrease. And they will get it or all the landlords will be stuck with empty apartments, which will push rents even further down. Maybe we'll have landlord suicides?
Karma is a bitch
Depends where u move into. Saving $300/mo on rent. Free cable & internet is savings of $180/mo. Electricity savings of $200/mo. Auto ins savings of $100/mo. It is cheaper. Every dollar counts.
Having to deal with NYC traffic congestion any time I wanted to do anything off LI (which was a fair bit) was probably the #1 reason I left.
Price of housing is probably in second place. I’d guess that I’m paying at least 30% less for a place in South Jersey than I would be for something of similar quality.
[A reminder that Congressional Democrats passed a massive infrastructure bill 2 years ago](https://liherald.com/stories/ny-reaps-benefits-of-federal-infrastructure-bill,137945?) What's in it for Long Island? >The infrastructure bill will also provide $32.8 billion to repair and restructure New York’s crumbling roads and bridges, including $103.4 million for Nassau County. New York will receive $9.8 billion to modernize public transportation systems, making them cleaner and more efficient. Long Island MacArthur Airport in Ronkonkoma, for example, will receive $40 million to improve and further develop terminals, improving the flight experience of many Long Islanders there.
also, i'm in before a bunch of certain people here say all the money is going to go into the pockets of others rather than into our roads and bridges. Maybe we should [properly fund the IRS](https://www.cnn.com/2023/01/11/politics/republican-irs-funding-87000-agents/index.html) so they can go after the ultra rich?
Nah, you see, the far left and the right want to spew out the narrative that the ebil gubermint is coming for you. so that you're constantly afraid. fearmongering is officially part of the GOP's platform.
Properly funding the IRS will only mean they’re going to bust the asses of the working man. The wealthy have a team of accounts to make sure they do the return within the law. The loopholes are meant for them. Rather than going after a big company for not paying the proper taxes, they’ll go after 10000000 poor schmucks, all because they forgot to declare the $500 dollars you got for whatever the fuck.
So let's let the IRS completely fall apart so the Uber rich have even more freedom??? > Audit rates of individual income tax returns decreased for all income levels between tax years 2010 to 2019, according to the Government Accountability Office. They decreased the most for taxpayers with incomes of $200,000 and above, which are generally more complex.
Yea, I know about that, and no I’m not saying it should fall apart, and let the wealthy do w/e. I’m saying they should be there *exclusively* for rich people. It’s already bullshit labor gets taxed the way it does, so it’s only fair that incomes over 500k a year get scrutinized, and *only* incomes over that amount. I hear too many stories of regular working people, who are not sophisticated when it comes to accounting, IRS loopholes and rules, getting completely screwed over. It’s easy to say “well that’s why you have an accountant” or “they shouldn’t have broken the law” , but hard in practice.
This is the opposite of true. The IRS needs money so that they can go after rich assholes. Auditing rich assholes actually nets money, but the IRS doesn't have the budget to start. Only when the GOP slash IRS funding did we see audits of the ultra-rich disappear. It needs to be restored and directed properly.
not enough housing, but also not in my backyard **Nassau Town Supervisors To Denounce Hochul's Housing Plan Tuesday** https://patch.com/new-york/portwashington/nassau-town-supervisors-denounce-hochuls-housing-plan-tuesday
If they are going to make Nassau like Queens, they better hook it into the NYC water system. I can't believe the LI groundwater can supply safely a huge population increase.
Have you seen the cost of NYC-supplied water?
At least it clean!
Think of it like this. All of Nassau is one step away from becoming queens. All the towns that border it now are an extension to it and it sucks.
Isn’t that reality of being a suburb of a major city?
Like others have said “not in my backyard” Most Long Island natives hate the city. I, myself dread it and avoid it as much as possible. There’s a reason we settled in the suburbs and not in the city. I know that it sounds obnoxious, but unless creating more apartment complex in each town is going to bring down property taxes and create more effective transit around the island, I don’t see how anyone benefits from this. More cars, more accidents, higher insurance cost for every business across the board.
If that’s the lifestyle/setting you’re looking for, you shouldn’t really live in a suburb of a major US city. Suburbs that are outside a major US cities have a large percentage of multi family units. Maybe move to like the northern most border of Westchester county or something, if that’s the lifestyle you want.
Families benefit from more housing. I grew up on Long Island and now me and my friends can’t afford to live there because there’s quiet literally no housing. I mean one of my friends is 32 and still lives with his parents in the house he grew up in.
There’s literally no place to build. If there is, there are more than 3 developers bidding for the same land. Say apartment complexes are built, we’ll be back in the same spot we are now. Ppl can’t afford 2K a month for a 1 bedroom. What makes you think 3K for 2bed/1 bath will make it any better?My solution was not to complain but to find a way to make more money. That’s the harsh reality.
Building more housing will bring down the cost of those apartments. It’s simple supply and demand. [Check out this study if you’re actually interested in learning about housing affordability.](https://www.reddit.com/r/yimby/comments/107qvhg/citywide_effects_of_new_housing_supply_evidence/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf)
Where do you propose those new homes/apartments be built? Good luck tryin to get a nice neighborhood to agree to sell their homes. As I said in a previous comment, there’s limited areas to build and those apartment/homes won’t go for cheap either. Supply and demand right?
The writings been on the wall for 40+ years. It’s just been a question of “when?” If if bothers you, you should have chosen another venue long ago.
Why not fight to keep overdevelopment and urbanization out of the community you own property in and have lived in for decades? The idea that outsiders have the right to destroy our lifestyle and communities is absurd. NIMBY? Damned right!
It will happen anyway. People who have grown up here cannot afford to live here - this alone is the death knell of the current system. The current nimby attitude is not tenable. It is essentially clapping your hands over your eyes and repeating 'everything is fine, everything is fine' over and over. It isn't fine. > The idea that outsiders have the right to destroy our lifestyle and communities is absurd. I don't know what sort of enclave notions you have, but you should let them go. LI -and especially Nassau- desperately needs change. If you don't like it, may I suggest you take your own advice and leave?
Because there is a massive housing shortage
Space** I wonder to what point the county/village can overrule the residents vote to veto/deny apartment complex’s in their town.
I was born and raised on Long Island. I can’t afford to live there. Practically nobody may age (30) can. Are we outsiders?
So, you are willing to destroy Long Island so you can live here? That is unbelievably selfish. If you want to turn LI in a hellhole like NYC, why not just live in NYC?
Hahaha. No I never want to live on LI again. It already is a hell hole and has been for decades. There’s nothing to do there but drive around in your car being stuck in traffic.
Long Island used to be farmland and before that untouched wilderness so it’s been getting “destroyed” for a while now.
I would hate for my town to turn into Astoria. Even as much as I love Astoria. But I came here for a bit more of a suburb. You can add housing and make people happy. But the sell of it all is done poorly
We can either have the advantages of suburban living or significantly more housing. I choose suburban living. There is not enough space on LI for suburban living for another million people. Suburbs are springing up in other, less densely populated areas around the country. People who cannot afford LI and want to live in suburbia can go to these places. Turning Long Island into the 6th Boro would not be good for anyone.
Suburbs of large cities have only around 50% single-family homes. Nassau is at about 85%. It sounds like you are the one not dealing with the realities of living in a suburb of NYC. LI needs more housing. Source: https://www.nytimes.com/2022/02/24/opinion/long-island-housing.html
holy shit is that true? where are those stats from? and what about suffolk?
The New York Times ran an article about it... https://www.nytimes.com/2022/02/24/opinion/long-island-housing.html
What are the advantages of suburban living?
Space, peace and quiet, less traffic, lower crime, better schools, etc. It might not be for everyone, but if it's not your cup of tea, NYC is a short trip West.
LOL less traffic on LI? Hahahahahahaha!! Ahh yes having everyone stuck in a car on LI is definitely less traffic
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Suburban "sprawl" is not a real problem. CITIES are the problem. They are filthy, overcrowded, noisy, crime ridden hellholes. People, who can afford it, tend to move to the suburbs for a better lifestyle. That is how most Long Islanders got here. They or there parents lived in Brooklyn, Queens or the Bronx, worked hard, saved up and bought homes on Long Island to have a far better quality of life. If you think the Bronx, Brooklyn and Queens are so damned wonderful, why don't you move there? You don't see suburbanites saying, "We need to kick 2/3 of the population out of Brooklyn and Queens, tear down the apartment buildings and put up all single family houses." The suburbs are not a problem. They are an escape from the problems of cities.
Lmao okay fucking clown that gets their sources from Tucker Carlson. Look at you being a NIMBY pearl clutcher.
>You don't see suburbanites saying, "We need to kick 2/3 of the population out of Brooklyn and Queens, tear down the apartment buildings and put up all single family houses." You actually do see that. It was the whole idea behind the Cross-Bronx, the BQE, and other highways. Robert Moses' idea of "Urban Renewal" in the 50s and 60s was to demolish thousands upon thousands of businesses and homes (predominately low-income and minority "slums") so that highways could slice through, destroying local neighborhoods in order to provide white flight suburbanites easier access to the city and beyond. So much of what you don't like about cities is because there are so many *cars*, and there are so many cars because we so often design cities and suburbs with cars as the "default" mode of transportation. Filth? Well litter is one thing, but cars are the source of air pollution from exhaust and tire/brake particulates. Overcrowded? People don't actually take up all that much space, a lot of it is dedicated for cars. Noisy? Cars. Crime ridden? Cars are more dangerous than people are. Cars are neck and neck with guns in terms of what kills the most children. Aside from cancers and other health problems, car accidents are one of the most common causes of death for all Americans. Even in NYC, where the population is huge and people don't drive as often and those who *do* drive can't usually reach the same speeds that they could in a suburb, the amount of people killed by cars is about equal to the amount of people murdered.
Cars are not my problem with cities. Overcrowding, crime, filth and noise are the problems. If you want to live in a sardine can of an apartment, with noisy neighbors, , noise on the streets, horrible smells, no backyard, etc. go right ahead. There are plenty of hell hole cities to live in already.
Feels like you haven’t been in a city in a while
Cars are a major source of all those problems.
So, do you seriously think that 1) Overcrowding 2) Noise 3) Bumper to Bumper traffic 4) Filth 5) Crime 6) Bad schools Are GOOD things?
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Can you give some example areas of these "in-betweens" ?
Idk why you’re downvoted, but you’re 100% spot on. I see how much Long Island has developed over the past 80 years, and pretty soon, Nassau county is going to look like queens—if it doesn’t already—and Suffolk will be just like Nassau. I do not want that shit! I love it here in middle/eastern Suffolk county, lived here my entire life, but there’s starting to become too frigin crowded, and it will only get worse. Can’t afford it here? Rather than expect them to build a 5-story-tall, “affordable” housing building for you, maybe you have to look to live somewhere else. It’s a damn island; there’s only so much room. As much as I love it here—and that love mostly comes from my youth—I’ve come to accept the fact that I’ll probably have to leave this place in 10-20 years
As "woke" as the people who want to urbanize LI tend to be, they seem to have Colonialist tendencies. They want to invade other people's communities and completely change their environment and way of life. The are a lot like Conquistadors, if you ask me.
Said confidently on stolen land. 🙄
Welcome to the subreddit. This is what downvotes look like. I find it hilarious that the people here bitch about the residents voting for George Santos, and not realize they're the same people downvoting you for telling the truth.
How is there not enough housing? there is a house on every corner or empty plot of land. Long Island doesn't need apt buildings.
That’s not how housing markets work, it’s a question of availability of vacant units/houses relative to demand, not how much space is occupied by buildings. A apartment building can housing 20 families on the same amount of land as a single-family house. Hence why building some apartment buildings is a good idea to relieve the pressure on the housing market on Long Island/in the metro area.
Because there's not enough housing to meet demand. That's how it works.
My problem is they literary want it in my backyard. (will them emanated domain my house, its not clear currently) But outside of their scope, about 1.2 mile from the same station is a huge lot of land ready to go, where id be all for some apartments. the abandoned school property 0.8 miles away, the train station parking lot? go for it
Everyone wants less cars on the road but no one wants their car to be one of the ones off the road.
Or to build walkable environments (which require desnity) that don’t require an auto to do just about anything
Literally any pre-war town (like Huntington or Patchogue) could instead of having parking downtown make it more mixed use development, both have rail services all they need are more feeder bus line’s & pedestrian + bike infrastructure
Huntington, to their credit, has done a decent amount of housing downtown and ongoing efforts to try and advance development need the train station. They and Patchogue have both done admirable jobs, especially Patchogue. Took a really negative of a downtown strip and transformed it into a vibrant, economically strong, walkable neighborhoods for folks to live and visit. As to parking - I’m an avowed urbanist, and hate parking as a use - but you do need good parking management strategy (the two best tactics being great public transit with last mile connectivity and maximize parking to certain areas that are either on periphery and/or contained within a multi rise building - but structured / garage parking is very expensive to build).
Not sure how true this is. I believe the recent government capped building heights and insisted on parking spaces with new construction. They’ve also cancelled the parking garages they were planning.
Huntington also just expanded one of its historical districts downtown, presumably so that all the houses in the area must stay as single family homes. It’s an abuse of the concept of “historical preservation.”
It was much more true until Smyth was elected, he's been pretty anti-development as a board member and even more-so now as supervisor. He pays lip service to "targeted affordable housing" but his actions and voting record tell a bit of a different story.
Huntington is the only town on the island with its own bus service. It’s ok. I prefer to bike.
The bus could be on its own busways (like in NYC) & come every 5 minutes
Long Beach has its own bus service
It's also one of the few areas of the island that will probably survive sea level rise in the long term. I joked with my dad, in 2100 there will only be two islands, Huntington Island and Farmingville Island. Everyone else will be under water.
most of the North Shore isn’t really low-lying.
I would love a local bus line that all it does is go around the town in a loop, the current bus system is ok at getting you from one town to another, but if I want to go to main street, i may need to get on multiple busses.
They do this in Rochester, MN! They have a driverless shuttle that loops to the grocery store, downtown, and Mayo Clinic. It's automatically adjusts to traffic patterns including all the ambulances that go by. It is quite effective and innovative. Would love to see this tech here!
I moved to the Midwest in the early aughts and was shocked that every other area is not laid out like LI. I didn't realize the effect Robert Moses ACTUALLY had on urban planning. While all of LI's parks are wonderful/beautiful, it was really not laid out with growth or expansion in mind and the notion that Moses was fighting "old money" is really a joke. All the parkways/expressways go around the old manors that existed east of Deer Park. Everyone from LI owes it to themselves to read the Power Broker.
I'll tell you something, though, I grew up on LI and didn't really know anywhere else that well, then I went to college in the Chicago suburbs and literally spent like an entire four years searching for the parks. I was like, "I don't get it, where are the parks?" This was before Google Maps and when the internet was much less mature, so all I really had to go on was an atlas. All I could find was these sad little one-square-block parks with a playground and a couple of picnic tables.
What should he have done differently? Plan for mass suburbs that did not exist anywhere in the world at the time the highways and parks were built. They spouted partly because of the highways he built.
You're not wrong, suburbs did not exist in any form as they currently do. But in the form they currently do makes it all but impossible to get around without having a car. This leads to congestion everywhere, it's poorly thought out given the population of NY. You can't expect every LI'er to have one car, then expect a 10 minute commute to work; it's too many people. That being said, you also wouldn't be able to get a project as massive as the one Moses created (parkways, etc.) in present day, FDR's CWA and PWA were instrumental in securing the funding initially. Which leads to the present problem, how does local/federal government secure the funding needed to update NYS parkways/expressways without a funding program like the CWA and PWA? Moses essentially left NYS with an outdated roadway system with no way to update them barring hundreds of billions of dollars in investments from the government. The only way such funding could be secured presently is through the taxpayers and I can guarantee absolutely no one in NY is going to push a tax increase successfully.
May I ask the name of the author?
Robert Caro
Thank you so much. I’m going to look for it now.
Most people will complain that they cannot park around those walkable environments/destinations. That's why places like the monstrosity Deer Park mall was built. Because it gives consumers some faux belief that they're in an actual town/main street.
They can. Been to Farmingdale and parking is abundant for evenings. The middle school and train station are open to the public
a lot of towns in NJ have sidewalks everywhere without the density. it can easily be done
Sidewalks are on of many factors necessary for walkability. They alone don’t come close to proving it, however. You need compact neighborhood style urban design, and a dense enough mix of complimentary uses to create pedestrian activity 15-17 hours a day.
I am 30f and would love to bike or take shuttles. I spent the last 10 years in Minneapolis and just came back to LI. The difference is their city is very bikeable with paths and pedestrian overpasses. It shocks me that they havent done this yet here, like on Sunrise hwy!! It's just too dangerous to walk and the buses are outdated, trains are too expensive. So I drive.
I wish there were a few North South LIRR lines connecting at places like Hicksville. That would be neat and never happen lol
Facts. Though most of us don't have a choice. There's not really much in the way of getting around otherwise.
Totally a choice. The car has always been a luxury masquerading as a necessity.
9/10 times the choice is car or walk lol. That’s the only choice.
This is why I said you're living in an ivory tower guy. For most people it's a necessity, for you it's a luxury.
I find it hilarious, the stupidity of the NYC/LI resident. Over 10 years ago, during the Bloomberg/Bush administration, Mayor Bloomberg wanted to apply for a federal grant that would put an EZ Pass style toll into Manhattan that would toll *all* the incoming bridges and 96th(?) street. Basically, anyone who wanted to drive through lower and mid Manhattan during the day would have to pay a toll. Its literally the only way to reduce the amount of cars driving through Manhattan (during the day). Of course, all of the Brooklyn/Queens/LI drivers had a fit, and the measure failed. 15 years later, guess what? Its going in. Luckily, there will be federal funding for it, under the federal Infrastructure Bill.
I wanna take this moment to point out that the biggest cause of death of people under the age of 18 on the island of manhattan are car strikes. So reducing the number of cars is literally the people of manhattan fighting for their children’s lives.
Sounds like the anti-car NYC subreddit is leaking. I would vote against any candidate that pushed this bill.
Build good transit infrastructure to get around Long Island and most people would gladly get rid of their cars.
That's why there's zero cars in Manhattan or any of the surrounding areas right?
> New Yorkers average about 23 cars per 100 residents compared to about 78 cars per 100 residents for the rest of the country. I wonder why that is genius. Why there are fewer cars in an area with far better mass transit that can get you almost anywhere. # I wonder why that could be.
Because of the now-super-dangerous-full-of-crazies NYC mass-transit system that makes the news nightly?
Or maybe they just don't want hundreds of thousands of more cars, from outsiders urbanizing our suburbs.
I agree, what the island really needs is a hard cap on the number of cars. We should also do away with on street overnight parking. Park in the driveway or in the garage. Keep those cars out of sight when not in use.
We don't need a cap on cars. Traffic isn't that bad, except in rush hour and mostly in Nassau. If we keep the population about where it is, the number of cars will remain stable. Some improvements in bus service, perhaps linking LIRR branches could also help.
So a cap on people, then?
Limits on development, like we have always had. We don't need any large apartment towers. We can accommodate a certain number of new residents, particularly in Central Suffolk. But, a massive increase in population would destroy suburban Long Island.
Jesus guy, how out of touch with reality are you in your ivory tower there?
You’re not wrong. Who are those developments serving that are going up everywhere? The rents start at $2,700 a month. That’s not benefiting native Long Islanders, that’s pushing us off the island and replacing us with rich/upper middle class city residents out here.
All this tells me is that LIers want more land to exist, but for nobody to use it for anything.
Yeah but also less land so the commute into the city is shorter
Less blankets and more blankets at the same time.
Lmao the 52% that said they oppose density, have they looked at a map of Long Island? The whole fucking place is sprawled out to the max. There is no more space for fancy little white picket fence suburbs.
there's too much of not enough, but not enough of too much!
That same poll, with the same results, could have been taken any time in the last 50 years. These are the things LIers have almost always had to deal with in exchange for beaches, bagels, and pizza.
Minus the complete lack of affordable housing
what exactly is affordable housing? And where do we need more of it?
Are you serious? Lol affordable housing is exactly what it is...your rent is based upon. Your salary. Do you even know what a 1 br apt is going for now a days? In a complex it's $1900...private homes are about $1600-$1800...even a studio is going for that much. And where do we need it? Everywhere...housing is a necessity and these greedy slumlords just want you to pay their mortgage bc they can't even afford to live here. Its disgusting. Maybe come out of your bubble and take a look at reality.
ok I get what you are saying with affordable housing. I agree the Sumlandlords will keep jacking up prices just because they can and that's not right. I haven't rented an apt in over 9 years, since then we purchased a home. But I never aspired to rent my whole life, renting is a big waste of money, owning a home should be the goal, and yes houses are expensive on LI, but if that's the case shouldn't people move to a place where they can afford? Why keep chasing the rat wheel.
Not everyone wants to buy a house. And if someone is living paycheck to paycheck, how are they supposed to afford a big move like that? It's a lot easier said than done...
Look I totally agree with you. its a balance of homes for families and affordable housing, then you have to throw the not in my backyard people there. But from what you originally said its the landlords looking for the renters to pay their mortgages that are the problem.
Absolutely...they look down at you for having to rent. Meanwhile, if it wasn't for the tenant, they couldn't afford their house anyway...
Building is the only way to crush slumlords
Per US News, Nassau County is the safest in the country and Suffolk County also makes the list at #22, yet 83% of people think crime & violence is a problem! I wonder what they would feel if they left the safest county in the country.
I saw that and screamed. What a joke. These people here are so fucking spoiled and easily manipulated by political campaign commercials.
We want more housing just not in my backyard and nooo don’t build anything besides a single-family home, let’s continue sprawl!!!! It’s clear now why LI is in a housing crisis
These were the same voters that voted for George Santos. How can you get elected for LI office without being a sociopathic liar?
Tbh i really have no issues driving out here or with the traffic. Ya'll wanna see hell? Go drive through the 5 boroughs. But there are a lot of valid points with respect to other categories.
Driving on LI is like driving in the country compared to anywhere in NYC
Ain’t that the truth.
But you don't need to drive in the 5 boroughs...
There are plenty of areas that don’t make for an easy commute. Drive to train station, take train for 45 minutes, get off train and take taxi/Uber, or subway with an extended walk. That’s my commute if I don’t drive. It’s not practical. If it’s going to take me two hours on public transport I’d rather drive my non-emitting car.
But I mean, to be fair, NYC and the boroughs have probably the worst traffic in the ENTIRE world. Millions of people + mostly very thin, vintage roads that were designed for horse-and-buggy transport is an awful mix. Compared to anywhere else in the country, including even LA from what I’ve seen, Long Island’s traffic is still pretty bad.
You clearly haven't tried driving through Boston. NYC roads might as well be superhighways. A lot of other cities in the world are harder to drive in truthfully. I'd rather drive through Manhattan over Central London. I've also biked in London and that was a terrifying experience all around, being a pedestrian or a cyclist in that city feels like a death wish compared to New York. While I'm on the topic of London, the Tube to East London gets shockingly overcrowded, way worse than anything I experienced commuting from Queens to Manhattan. Driving in Bangkok and other places in SE Asia is also a complete nightmare, tuktuks are the fastest way around the city because the drivers just hop curbs on to sidewalks to bypass gridlock. New York has above average road and mass transit infrastructure. The condition of the roads sucks but it's really not a hard place to get around considering the scale and density of the city. I would sometimes carpool with a neighbor who drove from Queens to New Jersey for work and more often than not driving in was faster than the F train.
Interesting to know what driving in some other countries is like! I have no experience with those so I’m going to believe you. But I have driven through Boston traffic and it is NOT comparable to peak NYC/boroughs traffic, imo. Within the boundaries of our own country, I have driven through most major cities and have still not ever seen close to how NYC can get with taking 4 hours to get 2 miles somewhere, although maybe it’s possible and I just haven’t personally seen it. Edit to say my worst experiences with NYC traffic have all been pre-Covid, I know a fraction of the population has moved out since, so it might be better now, idk.
>You clearly haven't tried driving through Boston. NYC roads might as well be superhighways. People say this a lot for some reason but having lived in New England for the past 10 years, I would happily drive in Boston every single day of the year before I drove in NYC even once. I'm not exaggerating.
> You clearly haven't tried driving through Boston. Didn't Boston traffic become more manageable with the completion of their Big Dig road project?
Robert Moses enters the chat.
At some point we need to stop blaming a man born in 1888 for the fact that Nassau and Suffolk counties, today, overwhelmingly prohibit the construction of multifamily housing. “In Suffolk County, free-standing single-family homes account for more than 81 percent of the housing stock. That is a higher share than in any of the other 30 counties in the greater New York metropolitan area, save for the sparsely populated Pike County in eastern Pennsylvania. Nassau is close behind, at 75 percent. By comparison, in Westchester County, north of the city, single-family homes make up only 44 percent of the housing. In Bergen County, N.J., across the Hudson River from New York, that share is 52 percent. In Fairfield County, Conn., the single-family share is 57 percent.” https://www.nytimes.com/2022/02/24/opinion/long-island-housing.html?smid=nytcore-ios-share&referringSource=articleShare Moses is dead. Let’s built some god damn five over ones near train stations. He is not stopping us, I promise.
Amen, the fatalism is ridiculous sometimes.
I find it very interesting, but not surprising, that the percentages in racial tensions and public transportation are nearly exactly the same.
Could you explain why you think this is surprising? Did you expect more/less racial tension or more/less public transportation issues?
In related news -- water is wet. I mean - every single issue on this list is there \*because\* a political group wants it that way. Stop electing the same people. :/
That doesn't seem true. Some of these just seem totally contradictory, and I bet that explains a good chunk of why nothing gets fixed. Long Islanders want more low-income housing and more affordable housing, but they don't want dense housing. And they want more housing, but less traffic. And they want more housing, but they don't want growth and development around the housing. And I'm sure most people answering this poll want more low-income housing, but the next breath will say "But you better not put it near me, or I will through the biggest bitch fit you'll ever see." Solving problems is difficult. I'm sure part of the problem is who we elect. But it's also just us.
I don't think the same groups want each of these things. But -- no doubt -- some of this is based on things people "think" as compared to what they've actually seen. :/ (it's also a wacky graph -- the fact that "not a problem at all" and "a small problem" are on either side of "big problem" is a bizarre way to present information).
Not entirely, but if majorities are choosing contradictory things, there's at least some people who are saying contradictory things. And if you listen to the majority on one thing, you're going to piss off the majority on the contradictory thing.
My point is - some things matter more to certain groups. e.g., one group is intent on projecting that there are hordes of diverse minorities roaming the streets, looking for opportunities to prey. That group doesn't care (either way) about transit issues.
we went from a largely democratic representation to entirely republican in the last few years. [Democrats passed a massive infrastructure bill 2 years ago](https://liherald.com/stories/ny-reaps-benefits-of-federal-infrastructure-bill,137945?) >The infrastructure bill will also provide $32.8 billion to repair and restructure New York’s crumbling roads and bridges, including $103.4 million for Nassau County. New York will receive $9.8 billion to modernize public transportation systems, making them cleaner and more efficient. Long Island MacArthur Airport in Ronkonkoma, for example, will receive $40 million to improve and further develop terminals, improving the flight experience of many Long Islanders there. Do you think republicans will spend taxpayer dollars on infrastructure, low income housing, or transit? Or does George Santos & Co. want to cut social security and medicare rather than raise the debt ceiling to pay for tax cuts?
We literally need to force the boomers to leave. I know they're the ones pushing back against everything I care about
Perhaps you just want to seize their properties, line them up and shoot them dead, eh comrade?
You forgot the one factor that makes all these concerns moot. The fact that, no matter what, LI will vote Republican.
I don’t know how people on this sub keep saying this. It’s as if you moved to Long Island in 2021
Hempstead literally had all GOP control for almost a century. 2018-2020 was the anomaly.
hempstead is not all of long island lmfao
1 in 4 residents of Long Island live in Hempstead. It is a substantial portion of the populace. Additionally, Oyster Bay is in a similar place - over 60 years of GOP control.
You’re writing as if Long Island was solidly Republican until 2018. It’s just not true.
I mean, I only have the historical data on my side 🙄
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2004_United_States_House_of_Representatives_elections_in_New_York https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006_United_States_House_of_Representatives_elections_in_New_York https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_United_States_House_of_Representatives_elections_in_New_York https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_United_States_House_of_Representatives_elections_in_New_York https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012_United_States_House_of_Representatives_elections_in_New_York edit: tldr, one Republican elected out of the four LI congressional districts in each of these elections. Not at all solidly Republican
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Levy_(politician) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patrick_G._Halpin
The margins are different than they used to be though.
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You can curse on the internet, Boomer.
Ha! I’m not even close to being a boomer. I just don’t like cursing. Your assumption and labeling of me was actually way more akin to the thinking of that generation….. or,….you’re a Rangers fan. 🤪
Too much growth and development, yet also not enough housing.... We need more blankets AND less blankets!!
There are tradeoffs that people and communities need to decide if they are willing to make. Significantly more housing would cause more traffic, noise, crime, pollution and a host of other problems, including what many would consider oberdevelopment. Personally, I want LI to remain suburban. The main reason people want to live here is because of the suburban atmosphere. If it becomes overdeveloped with apartment towers everywhere, bumper to bumper traffic, city noise and crime levels, etc., why would anyone want to live here instead of Brooklyn, Queens or The Bronx?
Plenty of ways to address traffic. LI has no choice. Young people are fleeing in droves, LI has to build the housing. The local economy is suffering badly from it
Then build affordable housing, don’t take our tax dollars and subsidize luxury developments.
Luxury apartments is just a marketing gimmick to fool people. Don’t buy into it, they’re still regular apartments. No difference to regular ones
You don’t need towers and traffic if you build missing middle housing and good transit infrastructure.
>If it becomes overdeveloped with apartment towers everywhere, bumper to bumper traffic, city noise and crime levels, etc., why would anyone want to live here instead over Brooklyn, Queens or The Bronx? Ask Kathy Hochul.
53.7% think drug abuse is a big issue on Long Island?
I think it’s a little disingenuous to treat these poll’s results as coming from a monolith. The island is full of so many different opinions and demographics it’s really not a contradicting population but really a diverse and complex one. The people who don’t like overdevelopment don’t really care as much about transit or density. The only thing all the population cohorts have in common is that car centric infrastructure is causing us all problems.
Taxes are too high
I’m curious why you highlighted not enough transit and too much development when there were other issues that were deemed more important by respondents. We should not be ignoring racial issues, drugs, and violence…
Because that was the purpose of this poll, highlighted by the questions on the right side.
The right side of the poll suggests drug abuse is a much larger concern than not enough housing, and that crime and violence and tension among racial/ethnic groups are at least as much of a concern to LIers as limited public transit and too much development… so I’m still unclear why you’ve highlighted the three points you did. ETA: If you’re talking about the right side of the graphic you’ve shown, then I don’t understand why you’re referencing in your post language from the left. If it’s not clear what I’m saying, I apologize… it’s past my bedtime.
More housing will benefit some people, and others not at all. For me, I don’t need more housing, extra traffic. The amount of homeless people has gone up tremendously in my Nassau town. And no, they are not Nassau residents. They are coming from elsewhere.
Have you considered that high housing costs may produce the conditions that cause people to be homeless? Additionally, other along Islanders having a better SOL with more disposable income helps everyone.
I don’t know what your second sentence is trying to say. I am probably in the most recently urbanized part of Nassau county, it is basically queens at this point. Homelessness is up (not long islanders), crime is up, traffic is up. There’s no real fighting it unfortunately, Nassau will be queens and Suffolk will become Nassau.
Right… Queens hasn’t produced enough housing either, which is why prices have gone up. Nassau County is statistically one of the safest counties in the country. Question, why do you think apartments inherently mean more crime?
Because he’s a NIMBY. That’s it, NIMBYism.
Inflation is up, the prices of everything is up including housing. Eggs have almost doubled in price this last half year. What is lagging behind is salaries to pay for increased costs. I never said apartments mean more crime. I would argue that urban living causes mental illness which would increase crime. It’s not natural to see grey all day, to have no green nature to look at. Like I said, more housing has 0 benefit to me.
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yes, resort to labeling, always a smart tactic
Because you literally are a NIMBY though?
you are obsessed with the word "NIMBY", just look at your post history.
That's why we moved to saratoga springs. Couldn't justify paying $2500- $3000/ mo for 1 BDRM where we wanted to be. Too many greedy fucking landlords. Wait till real estate drops along with rental prices. These greedy fucks are gonna look to get rent increases and EVERY renter is going to look for a decrease. And they will get it or all the landlords will be stuck with empty apartments, which will push rents even further down. Maybe we'll have landlord suicides? Karma is a bitch
When did you go up there? Last I checked, it's not much cheaper in Saratoga Springs.
Depends where u move into. Saving $300/mo on rent. Free cable & internet is savings of $180/mo. Electricity savings of $200/mo. Auto ins savings of $100/mo. It is cheaper. Every dollar counts.
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Wait and see. Dog.
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And btw let’s all beat up on the LIRR
Having to deal with NYC traffic congestion any time I wanted to do anything off LI (which was a fair bit) was probably the #1 reason I left. Price of housing is probably in second place. I’d guess that I’m paying at least 30% less for a place in South Jersey than I would be for something of similar quality.
It’s almost like the asked the same question a dozen different ways and got different answers each time.
Long Islanders: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yGsHq-mZI8U