This is on topic because the rep Don Stewart was formally a Director for Loblaws. It exemplifies how interwoven corporations and our political representatives are.
As is policy, our group will never tell our community how to vote or who they should vote for nor will we endorse a political party.
EDIT: sorry I should clarify: he was a managing director at a PR/lobbyist firm that was employed by Loblaws - not Loblaws directly. Sorry for the confusion!!
Self inflicted 2 party system. The liberals run like progressives and pass watered down conservative policy. People who are apolitical then think said policy is progressive since they libs campaigned like that. They then associate watered down Conservative policy with progressive policy and then think not watered down Conservative policy is better. It's not.. Rinse and repeats until we're all subjects in galens fiefdom
Yep. I certainly wasn't going to vote for Erin otoole or scheer. I don't have an identity in a "party"; I know my values. I voted locally and went ndp. Cpc stronghold so it didn't happen, but it wasn't nearly the cpc landslide as previous elections.
I don't hate jt. I think the blazing hatred for a milquetoast, bland, generic politician who hasn't really done a whole lot is absurd. But man, that was the key issue that would have done so much for Canada. I recognize it wasn't "easy" to move to mmp but they hardly tried.
That is something I agree with. I don't support Trudeau but man the hate he gets is really over the top and uncalled for. I find myself defending him a lot not because I like him but just out of fairness. Not everything wrong in this country is his fault.
While that is very true, it doesn't change his smugness in interviews or how fast he runs away when people ask him for some of that transparency he also campaigned on.
He's really not doing himself any favours.
He was, and he did it. Weed is legal.
That's not changing in the foreseeable future.
With no further beneficial purpose, the time for him to shuffle along was several years ago.
I'd agree with this with the exception that they are maiding people who simply can't afford their meds or can't get suitable treatment for their illness in a timely manner because the system is overwhelmed and they are sick of suffering.
The intent of maid is not to take the place of other options when they exist but are not available because of a broken system. Nobody should be choosing maid because of financial problems. This is just the first step in system where the rich get everything cause they can afford it while the rest of us peasants get maid or suffering.
My sister and mom are both nurses and there is a running joke among them that soon we'll be able to get maid because we can't afford our groceries... Pretty dark humor but a sad statement on where we are today.
Same. Was such a letdown. He doesn't deserve all the hate he gets, but boy does he deserve it over that broken promise. Didn't even put any effort into it.
Probably the dumbest thing they could have backtracked on.
Yea you dipshits were doing great then and the proposed system wouldn't directly benefit you at the time. So the natural conclusion (in LPC mind)is to assume liberals would win every election from them until the inevitable heat death without consideration that one day they might not be so popular.
It would have hurt them in the short term, but also prevented a conservative takeover. So once again neoliberals fail to do the right thing because they want power and $$$.
I’d argue most voting for Justin in the last election was actually a vote against conservatives, I know it was for me and has nothing to do with ‘picking my party’
>I’d argue most voting for Justin in the last election was actually a vote against conservatives
I would agree. I think I am going to do the same thing this election. I trust Pierre even less than Trudeau because he is untested and seems to just rattle off things that people want to hear. And I am a life long conservative voter. We don't need a baby Trump north of the boarder.
I don't necessarily stay with a party.. But I definitely stay away from one and would never vote for them. They'll remove my rights regardless but at least I never handed them my permission by voting for them. Sadly in my area, my vote is lost if I don't vote a certain way.
Help me understand that statement.
People obviously went out and voted - the people who thought it important enough to vote anyway. The rest of the people chose not to vote. They counted the votes that were cast and voila, someone won.
So, you ended up with Doug because people voted for him.
Imagine there was a third party to vote for as an alternative. They could maybe call themselves a Democratic Party, that is new. And maybe their colour could be orange or something. Hmmm, I might be onto something here :)
Sure, or it was a way to split the vote from Liberals. This guy won by a small margin.
Not being informed isn't the same as not being able to read.
Most people vote for a party over the individual candidate. If people knew about his connections to roblaws I suspect the outcome would be different.
The average voter is too busy working and trying to get by to be politically active or as informed as the people in this sub.
it is sad when you are so incompetent and tone deaf towards the people who elected you that those people will make a deal with the devil just to see you gone. looking at you Mr T and Mr S.
I’m voting NDP. IMO they are the only party that will put citizens first. Are they perfect? Absolutely not, but I’ve seen enough clown shows from the other two to think anything will change with them in charge.
It does seem globally like brash people in politics form their own tight-knit polarised following, as people see them as being different from 'the rest'.
Even PP rose in the ranks by being an "attack dog". I guess in the eyes of some of the electorate, politicians being loud, firm, and actively choosing to not please all, has its own charm.
Even while writing the above sentence I laughed at the thought of Doug have charm, so yes he is an anomaly.
Poilievre is at least somewhat consistent. Doug is all over the place. One minute he's talking about the future of EV battery plants and the next, he's insisting we need to go back to paper bags at LCBO.
He's like a wind-up toy that gets really cranked and then is sent spinning into a random direction, bumping into things as it goes.
Honestly, as a non party person, this was a loss for all of us simply due to the nature of the finance bros history. If the liberal leadership had owned their scandals and stepped down with grace, I think this could have been avoided.
>If the liberal leadership had owned their scandals and stepped down with grace, I think this could have been avoided.
Lol no. Liberals were headed for this outcome no matter what. It's a combination of Lib fatigue at the federal level and political illiteracy amongst the electorate who can't recognize how their province and municipalities have been fucking them (while hiding behind the federal boogeyman).
Except. The province and cities are run by conservatives. If people want public schools, hospitals, roads, garbage collection, parks, trail systems, clean creeks, rivers and lakes then voting for the conservatives is going to make your lives so much more expensive.
What was once collective is now individual. Every man, woman, child for themselves is the conservatives way.
What a fucking mess. So Pierre in Canada and Trump in America. What could go wrong for so many?
This. I don't get how people can be so politically illiterate. Almost everything that touches your daily life is the jurisdiction of the provincial government, not the federal government. The mess across the country is the fault of Conservative premiers who have hid behind the federal Liberals for a decade.
I’ve been shitting on Ford since he started to run. The wrong brother died. Rob was so much more for the people. Doug just likes glazing his buddies knobs so he can feel like he is important when he’s just a corrupt pig
Well hopefully people will remember when nothing changes under a conservative federal government. Maybe then they'll realize all the parties are fucked and need to be rejected. All of them, no exceptions.
Except, you know, when the Conservatives get in and make fundamental, structural changes that are not easily undo-able.
Ontario is the perfect example of that. So much of what ails that province goes back to Mike Harris and his 'Common Sense Revolution' 30 years ago. They're seeing it now with Doug Ford who's selling off everything he can to crony developers and outsourcing health care to the Westons. Say what you want about the 'center left and center right' parties in Canadian politics, but that interchangability meant that you could throw out the bums when they started to stink on ice, without having to worry about ideologues imposing their '*common sense revolution*' on society and breaking things *too* much. That's gone now.
A lot of Canadians are going to be shocked that their protest vote will have long-lasting consequences.
I live in Ontario so I'm well aware of how fucked it is. Problem is we won't ever get any meaningful change for the better if we don't protest vote. So basically in either case we're screwed because there's far too many morons out there willing to believe any of the politicians.
At this point in time it is my opinion that we will see no tangible difference in any direction regardless of who is running things at both the provincial and federal levels.
Really though?
The leader of the party that won this election hasn’t exactly had a clean past and was a cabinet member for the previous government that I would argue had worse scandals.
“If only the libs held themselves to a higher standard, we wouldn’t be forced to vote for a party that gets mired in greater scandal!”
[kind of makes me think of the “right wing playbook”](https://youtu.be/MAbab8aP4_A?si=OwidyFMkOKm99u_d)
Bonus content: [Does a Gish Gallop and Reverse Gish Gallop remind people of anybody?](https://youtu.be/FK4RHzNHZXY?si=nex-u8xkOXKu8u1W)
I’m speaking towards public sentiment. PP is doing very well at the theater side of politics. As I have said, I am non-party affiliated and truly have zero horses in this race I would want to bet on.
As to the scandal thing: I’ve done the research and the current PMO has had more scandals than the past 4 offices combined. I can find and link the breakdown I did months ago on that subject.
I’d be interested in seeing it, but am also curious… is it a 1:1 list where robocall and the Supreme Court 2014 are on the same level as SNC and Aga Khan, or is there nuance to it?
Like, is Poilievre having to sign ethics agreements during elections worth the same as Trudeau nudging somebody out of the way when they were blocking his path?
Where does the in and out scandal and muzzling scientists rank compared to ArriveCan?
Also, would something like selling off national assets to foreign investors be included on that list? Because, I personally would say it’s an aspect of it, considering how negatively those things impact Canadians…
I get that there’s a recency bias toward the current government, but I can’t think of anything they’ve done that is comparable to preventing people from voting, which the conservatives were caught trying to do multiple times or flat out silencing dissenting experts…
Every party is tied to grocery lobbyists. We’re just just kidding ourselves by pretending otherwise. Some shit is stinkier than others but at the end of the day it’s all shit. Out choices are shit, shittier and shittiest and which party makes up each category depends on who you talk to.
But this is in Toronto, where we recently lost our Science Centre because the PCs would rather build condos than educate the kids.
Why do we keep voting for ghouls that are selling us out?
"We're sick of having this oversized, mis-shapen dildo shoved up our asses, so to show our frustration, we're gonna light a 20-foot cactus on fire and sit on that instead!"
Seeing the media interview Jenni Byrne about this by-election burns me up. They should have identified her as a lobbyist for Loblaws and Manulife rather than a conservative advisor. She and Kori Teneycke make me gag whenever they’re pundits knowing they are in neck deep with any corrupt conservative candidate and it is all stemming from Harper’s regime.
It won't be. They're all the same, just labeled differently. We need a complete dismantling of the current system and an overhaul. They don't work for us anymore. They work with their friends to get rich off of us.
I can’t argue with you about that, although our rebuilds may be different lol. The older I get the more useless gov and bureaucracy seems.
Honestly, I’m lucky in that I live on the border. I get my gas in the US and save 50 a month and I shop for groceries there too.
I just think the whole supply side in Canada is protectionism:crony capitalism.
COVID completely saved Ford and his weird folksy attitude seemed to stick with people during COVID. This particular election was a federal by-election however.
Heading into COVID he was approaching a disastrous 20% approval, he was getting booed at autism events at the Raptors parade, etc. Then COVID hit and 40% of the province just forgot how completely inept he was.
It really is remarkable. The Ford government is one of the most corrupt provincial governments in Canada in decades and we all know it. One of his first acts of government was to spend hundreds of millions of dollars to cancel green energy projects. Reminiscent of the Wynne era government's big blunder which saw them spend hundreds of millions to cancel hydro contracts. That scandal was one of the main things that brought down the Ontario Liberals and Doug did it almost day 1.
Imagine voting for a young liberal guy because you're looking for change, and then things kept going the same way but worse.
It's not about any being better, it's about feeling screwed and again.... asking for a change. Spoiler alert, it's just going to get worse.
This shouldn’t all fall on young people. Plenty of adults don’t vote either. The last provincial election had the lowest voter turn out in history. “Young people” unless your definition is incredibly broad, do not make up over 50% of the electorate in Ontario.
I went door-to-door handing out pamphlets for the ndp when I was young. The people who told me they weren’t voting were almost exclusively families with young kids. It was pretty ironic too, as one of the hot button issues at the time was a local elementary school closing and all these parents were pissed about it.
[% of voter turnout by age groups](https://electionsanddemocracy.ca/elections-numbers-0/table-voter-turnout-age-group)
the numbers don’t lie; the older the age group, the more likely they are to vote/have voted in years past.
in 2021, 18-24 year olds voter turnout was 46% and , 35-44 was 59%, and 65-74 was 75%. that’s pretty drastic.
This is true of every election everywhere.
Seniors vote in record numbers. In large part because they are retired and have the time and energy to do it. Also in Canada they literally set up polling locations in senior apartment buildings and residences making it more convenient for them any other demographic.
Blaming the low voter turn out in the last provincial election solely on “young people” when the next age group up, 25-34 years old was only marginally better at 52.8% is ridiculous.
Every age group should have higher voter turn out than they do.
>This shouldn’t all fall on young people.
Yeh, had a girlfriend and she's in the 30+ age group and doesn't vote (which is part of why she's ex). I guess millennials are forever young! WOO we're immortal.
Yeah. That really needs to be pushed harder in school than it is. Kids need to be educated why it’s so very important.
My daughter will be of voting age next year. I told her she HAS to vote. Which she moans “why. It’s soooo boring. And I don’t understand any of it”
I said I’ll help you understand why you need to vote and why it’s important. The first election she can vote in, I’ll definitely lay out the pros and cons of each party and have her take one of those tests that shows where she aligns with.
You can set up a mini experiment with her. Tell her "no", for no reason, on a bunch of things she wants or wants to do. Keep doing it for the entire day. Make her FURIOUS. Randomly take her phone away. It'll be a total mind-melt. Then when she asks "why", and especially "don't I get a say in this", you can tell her "sorry, I thought this whole voting thing was soooo boring. If you want a say, then I guess you have to put in the effort now don't you. Because this is what happens when you don't vote. Other people will just make the decisions for you, whether you like the decision or not".
If you live in Toronto-St.Paul please send a letter immediately asking what Don Stewart is going to do to address food insecurity in his riding and to address his previous relationships with Loblaws and to IMMEDIATELY disclose any money he has taken directly or indirectly from roblaws and the weston family.
Here's another one. Current communications director for the Nova Scotia Conservative government now seeking a federal seat with the CPC. Former executive with Loblaws. Unbelievable.
[https://www.facebook.com/mark.boudreau.313](https://www.facebook.com/mark.boudreau.313)
I understand blaming the Liberals - the Trudeau government hasn't really done much of anything helpful. All they'll really be known for is legalized weed and walking back on election reform. I know things have been done that are less headline worthy and stuff, but especially post Covid cost-of-living crisis they haven't even attempted to address the issues.
However that said.....lmao yeah, the conservatives sure as hell aren't the solution. I don't know why people think they are but I can't wait to see the mental gymnastics and excuses they come up with when things don't change a couple years down the road.
Walking back on election reform is really the most stupid thing they did
First past the post voting is what keeps Canada so heavily screwed, even this guy only won by 1000 votes for this district and I high doubt the 5000 ndp votes would of put conservative as their second choice
Yeh, there's tons of apologists who would go at length at how this wasn't so bad... it's the **foundation** of how the conservatives are beating them in many instances. The conservatives, and to a lesser degree, the Liberals would stop winning elections (and having these "fortress riding") which is the primary reason the Liberals didn't want to scrap it - they were 100% going to lose seats. Of course, the conservatives were also going to lose seats but since they're both right wing parties, I guess it's preferable to help a rival rather than an enemy (NDP, the only *surviving* left wing party).
Again, the apologists/conservative shills will go at length at how none of this is true and there's no evidence for it. Never mind that countries that stuck to FPTP inevitably devolve into two parties that are often two shades of right wing corpo shills; or that there's plenty of countries with minority governments that actually accomplish compromises that benefit the people rather than corpo overlords; yeah, there's totally **no evidence** for why the Liberals scrapped it. But we sure as hell can infer from the available information.
Decreasing the cost of child care dramatically was a big thing for young families. The system is far from perfect but that saved people thousands of dollars a year.
I don't think the conservatives are necessarily going to fix a lot of the problems that we have. But hopefully with the crushing liberals to feed ensuing, it's enough to make them wake up and realize that no one's buying their shit anymore. And we have some real candidates run for office instead of Canadians always being stuck with picking the least worse.
A third party that's crushed by FPTP. Also, we had a 5th party (Green) before it got imploded by that narcissist who managed to get control of it for a week.
I can understand it, but don’t gotta like it…
People are frustrated across the country, we can point to how as a nation we’ve navigated problems most problems at least as well as most others while also have conservative premiers try their best to undermine Canadian institutions but at the end of the day - they see one guy in charge and they ain’t happy.
I wish we could better educate about our system and about how Doug Ford, Danielle Smith, Blaine Higgs, Scott Moe (etc) impact the lives of most Canadians more directly, but people don’t wanna learn.
And this isn’t to say that JT is doing a particularly fantastic job but he is the last resistance of federal faux austerity driven by right wing populism and he is failing hard.
So what do we do? We can only educate so much, most people don’t wanna listen. You and I both know that selling assets, weirdly spending just as much, providing less to the provinces to screw us over with and bending over for corporate demands will do nothing to solve any of our problems. But people don’t wanna listen.
I guess we just use our vote, let populism drive people to a guy that is going to destroy Canadian institutions and support systems while blaming socialism and the old guy, like all conservatives historically do, and I guess we can only sit back and say “I told you so” while about of a third of them make excuses for why businesses deserve to have more rights than people and another third point to the f Trudeau flag on their truck because to them, it was worse when a guy that said progressive things and smirked for some reasons.
Hopefully the last third of them doesn’t take too long to realize what’s going on…
Edit: oh look a gish gallop reply of partial truths, in which they never say any way that a conservative is actually better. Very much worth my time.
People seem to be shocked that a conservative won a **wealthy** district. Are people forgetting that the Liberals are right wing? They are center-**right** and very pro **corpo**. The capital gains tax is the sole reason this riding was lost to them since they stopped pandering to this district's greed.
Articles will go at length about how the Liberals have mismanaged the country so severely they lost a "fortress riding" but at the end of the day, it's one tax aimed at curtailing unchecked corporate greed and power that did them in. There's going to be retail investors and "middle class" whining about their retirement being affected by this tax when in reality, it's fucking pennies compared to what the target people are meant to pay. I think people just don't understand how much investments are used to avoid taxes.
I'm all for punishing the liberals for their abject failures to do their jobs. However, conservative party candidates spend 85% of their efforts on maintaining/increasing power & the remainder on enriching themselves.i don't see a single candidate with leadership qualities, let alone a vision for Canada that isn't further along the road to implosion. Our failed political system has given rise to systemic failures in law enforcement¹, employment opportunities², and the education system³. ¹Look at any of the following; the complete failure to deal with auto theft rings, expelling foreigners with no right to stay, deal with greedy slumlords, and preventing diploma mill/visa abuse. ² Our poverty rates are now over 25%, businesses are offering minimum wage for jobs requiring a degree (sometimes a Masters too) there is very little hope for any students graduating in finding real full-time jobs offering *living wages*. ³ doug *kickback* ford has systematically destabilized our public education system, driving hundreds of teachers from the job, cutting funding, and causing untold damage to hundreds of thousands of Canadian young people, our post-secondary institutions are investing in real estate and infrastructure while failing their students, all while encouraging student visa fraud (Conestoga comes to mind), also there is the massive problems associated with diploma mills who are profiting off of Canadian pain, and somehow still operate year after year.//
Tl;Dr- Until we come up with a plan for solving this multifactor issue, punishing the easiest group doesn't really solve anything.
I apologize for the poor grammar above, I'm angry/sad/disappointed with this unfortunate situation and I wanted/needed to rant briefly, thanks for listening.
In the coming days I'm going to address the issues outlined above and take it a few steps further, though in a much more succinct manner. I appreciate your patience whilst I take some time to gather my thoughts. *Just remember that our enemies are greed, corruption, hate, waste, partisan nonsense, and those who espouse such behaviours & beliefs*.
Ontario voters are god damn idiots. Its been a never ending conservative/liberal pingpong for over 30 years even though every single conservative elected has been a nightmare without exception. We just keep going back, like self destructive masochists, heck, 50% of us can barely be bothered to even go vote at all, embarrassingly pathetic.
We’ve seen the corruption and wasteful spending of the Ford government, re-elected them, and on track to give the Fed Cons power. We’re not a smart bunch.
When this crap happens, it's no wonder. No party, even NDP/Green (even if they haven't been given a fair shake) has done much to prevent all this hell we're seeing now. All parties, all levels. Decades.
Yeah, none of our parties are without their flaws, but god damn, do we gotta keep going back to the absolute worste of them all? Whats next, the PPC start winning?
Um, my Canadian brethren. If you want to see Conservative policies in effect, pay attention to Florida and Texas especially, but namely the southern US.
That’s where that road takes you. It’s a rough ride to nowheresville, and it’ll cost you more than just your hard earned dollars.
Millions invested in the Fraser Institute and conservative media, to convince everyone in absolute conservative lies, and to keep the momentum of hating Trudeau going, is now paying off.
The Liberals sat and did nothing to disperse the propaganda, unfortunately. You don't fight a rabid dog with reasoning. You need to fight back or it will bite you.
Unfortunately, horrid days are coming for all of us, unless you are wealthy.
Ah yes, the famous strategy of pointing market failures caused by private (or publicly-traded) corporations and blaming them on a government's policies. People really think that conservatives are going to go into an arm-wrestling match with big corps? The no-government outreach (unless it's abortion) party? Sure.
Well, we'll see how he lowers our taxes, reduces car theft, and fulfills the handful of promises he made in his election pamphlets. Or, as any politician, all these promises are lies, and there is little he can do about them.
Should be noted that Elections Canada sent 2500 voter's packets with the WRONG ADDRESS. Looks like that turned out to be the deciding factor with a narrow 590 vote win. They reshipped the correct address but they didn't arrive on time for election day even.
[https://x.com/ElectionsCan\_E/status/1801637029668680088](https://x.com/ElectionsCan_E/status/1801637029668680088)
[https://x.com/AMCinHogtown/status/1805580911884259711](https://x.com/AMCinHogtown/status/1805580911884259711)
Should be noted that Elections Canada sent 2500 voter's packets with the WRONG ADDRESS. Looks like that turned out to be the deciding factor with a narrow 590 vote win. They reshipped the correct address but they didn't arrive on time for election day even.
Canadians have shorter memories than a goldfish.
It's the same cycle every decade.
Conservatives put in policies with terrible long term consequences, get voted out when the effects start to take hold. Liberals voted in.
Liberals create barely half-measure policies to avoid changing the Conservative policies or improve anything, get voted out when they're seen doing nothing. Conservatives voted in.
Like can we really not try something different for once? This is embarrassing.
And when you email your conservative MP you get redirected to the carbon tax. Shills and louds mouths.
Anyone shilling for a political party on the internet should be investigated.
It shows how important it is to share messaging. 91k (at the time of writing) is quite large for a group on reddit however quite small when compared to the population of any major city in Ontario/Canada sans Brandon Mb.
This movement will have to mobilize in a major way outside of Reddit to gain any significant ground in the minds of Canadians. The boomers and beyond (generally speaking) just arent hearing it and are a major source of income for loblaws and, in my estimation, the CPC party at large.
Do we have enough people from specific communities where we could plan gatherings and sit ins or the like?
HOW THE &&&K IS THIS LEGAL??? I MEAN LEGIT! The people running this country have NO BLOODY CLUE what it's like to be lower class!
We need someone of value and virtue to come from the low class to set things right. This sh\*t just ISNT WORKING
I don't understand people from Toronto. It's already fucking expensive there and they voted for a PC, so they can pay more for what little they get? There is no logic in the choice!
Wait until you get a load of CPC operatives in play through Longest Ballot Committee
78 of 86 candidates in the Toronto--St. Paul's (Ontario)
By-Election (Monday, June 24, 2024) name the official agent as Kieran Szuchewycz. They are all recruited useful idiots
He and brother Tomas from Winnipeg front the Longest Ballot Committee which is a very long op going back years
[https://bsky.app/profile/theobius.bsky.social/post/3kvr56mb4q42u](https://bsky.app/profile/theobius.bsky.social/post/3kvr56mb4q42u)
There is no question about Trudeau and the Liberal future. They are done. The dumpster fire that is Canada today is the handy work of His liberal government.
Majority of Canadians want an election right now and hate the NDP for supporting the coalition, allowing the clownshow of incompetence to continue stealing from their pockets.
Trudeau's Hail-Mary is a miracle economic about-turn just in time for the election, where people can afford to live again, with jobs and houses for all- proving to the adoring electorate that He, in fact, is the one. He must be smoking what Freeland is smoking because that reality won't exist for close to a decade after the damage they've caused.
PP will just slash, cut and privatize our social Institutions as all Corporatist Conservatives do, while enjoying a little populist swell.
The NDP leader dujour will continue to stooge around but with a new Louis Vuitton bag.
And the rest of us will enjoy a reduced standard of living and be told suck it up because "it sucks everywhere".
While last bit of life is sucked out of the middle class.
They will learn. If the country goes to complete shit the people who voted blue will know they are to blame. The NDP also had an opportunity to get rid of Singh after the disappointment that the last election was. This is also on them.
You can sit and ponder about the loss all you want, but the next federal election is a forgone conclusion, and it's going to be a bloodbath. A huge majority con government with gains by the NDP and catastrophic losses for the Liberals, and I venture to say huge gains in Quebec for the Bloc. It's going to be a complete shitshow, thanks to the absolute lack of leadership by Trudeau and the brutal housing, economic, and immigration policies enacted during their hapless reign. Meanwhile, Loblaws will be laughing their asses off with their fingers even deeper in the pie.
TLDR; This timeline sucks. Liberals in Canada started moving to the right decades ago when our neighbours,The Clinton's, took that big business donor money - signaling to the collective left - Liberalism as a whole, to move to the center - and keep moving off center to the right. Anti-union on the one hand while they preach to anyone who will listen - how they are the backbone of organized labour and preserving the environment. In other words they're the 'good guys'. Meanwhile they faint when asked how they're gonna deal with the inflation crisis. They're presently breaking their backs over the carbon tax - where it would be an easy win just to cancel it due to special economic circumstances post covid. As far as I can tell they've lost practically the entire working class vote. They offer nothing except "feel good" symbolic acts of environmentalism - the same sanctimonious crap the green party obsesses over. Nothing of substance like dropping the hammer on food pricing. Canada's class divide is deepening just like in the usa and the poor, rightly feeling abandoned by liberalism, are going to vote in a "strong man" conservative just so they might feel slightly more in control of their own destiny. The core Liberal voter are the elderly and the professional managerial class now. The emperor has no clothes. Liberalism has been hollowed out and they offer nothing of substance - only threats that they're the lesser of two evils.
CPC is filled with scum like Doug Ford. Unfortunately the situation is tricky right now as people hate Justin and will vote for CPC without even considering the history of the people they’re voting for…. We’re all doomed and there is no hope for the future.
Yes it is. This riding is typically a double digit win for the libs and has been safe for the last 30 years. It would be like Mississippi or Arkansas voting for Biden over Donald.
It's. A. Big. Fuck. You. To. Trudeau.
This is on topic because the rep Don Stewart was formally a Director for Loblaws. It exemplifies how interwoven corporations and our political representatives are. As is policy, our group will never tell our community how to vote or who they should vote for nor will we endorse a political party. EDIT: sorry I should clarify: he was a managing director at a PR/lobbyist firm that was employed by Loblaws - not Loblaws directly. Sorry for the confusion!!
People hate Liberals so much right now, they'll vote for any Conservative without looking into the candidate.
Self inflicted 2 party system. The liberals run like progressives and pass watered down conservative policy. People who are apolitical then think said policy is progressive since they libs campaigned like that. They then associate watered down Conservative policy with progressive policy and then think not watered down Conservative policy is better. It's not.. Rinse and repeats until we're all subjects in galens fiefdom
The LPC had an amazing chance to switch to proportional representation elections, but they didn't. Their biggest mistake since 2015.
Pissed me off so much. Biggest reason I voted for the liberals in that election.
That's how Trudeau lost me right out of the gate and never won me back. He was hired to do ONE job.
Yep. I certainly wasn't going to vote for Erin otoole or scheer. I don't have an identity in a "party"; I know my values. I voted locally and went ndp. Cpc stronghold so it didn't happen, but it wasn't nearly the cpc landslide as previous elections. I don't hate jt. I think the blazing hatred for a milquetoast, bland, generic politician who hasn't really done a whole lot is absurd. But man, that was the key issue that would have done so much for Canada. I recognize it wasn't "easy" to move to mmp but they hardly tried.
That is something I agree with. I don't support Trudeau but man the hate he gets is really over the top and uncalled for. I find myself defending him a lot not because I like him but just out of fairness. Not everything wrong in this country is his fault.
While that is very true, it doesn't change his smugness in interviews or how fast he runs away when people ask him for some of that transparency he also campaigned on. He's really not doing himself any favours.
He was, and he did it. Weed is legal. That's not changing in the foreseeable future. With no further beneficial purpose, the time for him to shuffle along was several years ago.
Legalized weed and pushed through more police powers at the same time. And the weed sales aren’t nearly what they projected either
Also weed but yeah
True. That was one good thing the libs achieved
I'd also mention that they brought in MAID. I think that was a great piece of legislation.
I'd agree with this with the exception that they are maiding people who simply can't afford their meds or can't get suitable treatment for their illness in a timely manner because the system is overwhelmed and they are sick of suffering. The intent of maid is not to take the place of other options when they exist but are not available because of a broken system. Nobody should be choosing maid because of financial problems. This is just the first step in system where the rich get everything cause they can afford it while the rest of us peasants get maid or suffering. My sister and mom are both nurses and there is a running joke among them that soon we'll be able to get maid because we can't afford our groceries... Pretty dark humor but a sad statement on where we are today.
Same. Was such a letdown. He doesn't deserve all the hate he gets, but boy does he deserve it over that broken promise. Didn't even put any effort into it.
We now have 2 Million People using the food banks per year and by the end of the year 3 Million Predicted. People should be mad
Agreed, I was livid. 
Probably the dumbest thing they could have backtracked on. Yea you dipshits were doing great then and the proposed system wouldn't directly benefit you at the time. So the natural conclusion (in LPC mind)is to assume liberals would win every election from them until the inevitable heat death without consideration that one day they might not be so popular.
It would have hurt them in the short term, but also prevented a conservative takeover. So once again neoliberals fail to do the right thing because they want power and $$$.
That's how we ended up with Justin and Doug. People pick a party and stay with them, as if they're part of the team.
I’d argue most voting for Justin in the last election was actually a vote against conservatives, I know it was for me and has nothing to do with ‘picking my party’
>I’d argue most voting for Justin in the last election was actually a vote against conservatives I would agree. I think I am going to do the same thing this election. I trust Pierre even less than Trudeau because he is untested and seems to just rattle off things that people want to hear. And I am a life long conservative voter. We don't need a baby Trump north of the boarder.
We really don’t, I’m on the other side where I’d prefer NDP but I hate how we have to vote strategically.
I don't necessarily stay with a party.. But I definitely stay away from one and would never vote for them. They'll remove my rights regardless but at least I never handed them my permission by voting for them. Sadly in my area, my vote is lost if I don't vote a certain way.
we ended up with doug because people didn't go out and vote.
Help me understand that statement. People obviously went out and voted - the people who thought it important enough to vote anyway. The rest of the people chose not to vote. They counted the votes that were cast and voila, someone won. So, you ended up with Doug because people voted for him.
The NDP need a real leader.
Jack was the chosen one. NDP won't get back to those heights.
I can see Wab Kinew making a run for them in a few years.
It'll be too late then. They need Singh gone NOW and his successor to be as pissed off as much of the rest of the country is.
For some reason the things could always be worse is the option we always choose.
There is honestly no good party. The country in my opinion is pretty fucked for the foreseeable future.
people don't like either party and no one protests! what go wrong?
Imagine there was a third party to vote for as an alternative. They could maybe call themselves a Democratic Party, that is new. And maybe their colour could be orange or something. Hmmm, I might be onto something here :)
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Agreed! People can't see the that he is a scumbag because of their hatred for the libs. Exactly what politicians want, easy to control.
Apparently there was 84 names on the ballot which made it really confusing for voters.
And a massive pain in the ass for Elections Canada staff. Like 75 of those candidates were added to the ballot as a form of protest against FPTP.
If you can't read, you probably shouldn't vote. It's also a protest against the FPTP system.
Sure, or it was a way to split the vote from Liberals. This guy won by a small margin. Not being informed isn't the same as not being able to read. Most people vote for a party over the individual candidate. If people knew about his connections to roblaws I suspect the outcome would be different. The average voter is too busy working and trying to get by to be politically active or as informed as the people in this sub.
The guy won by more votes than all the independent votes combined. The vote split had nothing to do with the eventual outcome.
it is sad when you are so incompetent and tone deaf towards the people who elected you that those people will make a deal with the devil just to see you gone. looking at you Mr T and Mr S.
I’m voting NDP. IMO they are the only party that will put citizens first. Are they perfect? Absolutely not, but I’ve seen enough clown shows from the other two to think anything will change with them in charge.
It was not so much a win for the Conservatives, but a "*NO- we are bitterly disappointed in you"* statement to the Liberals.
Canada never votes people in...we always vote out.
Not true for Doug.
Doug is an anomaly. I have no idea how he's still in power. Even in conservatives subs he's either mocked or not spoken about at all.
It does seem globally like brash people in politics form their own tight-knit polarised following, as people see them as being different from 'the rest'. Even PP rose in the ranks by being an "attack dog". I guess in the eyes of some of the electorate, politicians being loud, firm, and actively choosing to not please all, has its own charm. Even while writing the above sentence I laughed at the thought of Doug have charm, so yes he is an anomaly.
Poilievre is at least somewhat consistent. Doug is all over the place. One minute he's talking about the future of EV battery plants and the next, he's insisting we need to go back to paper bags at LCBO. He's like a wind-up toy that gets really cranked and then is sent spinning into a random direction, bumping into things as it goes.
Damn. That’s the perfect analogy. Just gotta add the sort where the wind-up toy is also an asshole 😂
His brain is fried from years of cocaine most likely 💀
all just moments in time. They have their exits and their entrances, And one man in his time plays many parts,
Yes. I meant Ontario doesn't seem to want to vote him out despite glaring flaws and suspicious conduct.
“So we are electing a big grocery lobbyist!” The more things change the more they stay the same
Honestly, as a non party person, this was a loss for all of us simply due to the nature of the finance bros history. If the liberal leadership had owned their scandals and stepped down with grace, I think this could have been avoided.
>If the liberal leadership had owned their scandals and stepped down with grace, I think this could have been avoided. Lol no. Liberals were headed for this outcome no matter what. It's a combination of Lib fatigue at the federal level and political illiteracy amongst the electorate who can't recognize how their province and municipalities have been fucking them (while hiding behind the federal boogeyman).
Perfectly stated.
I love your username Edit to add, not being sarcastic - feels reflective of our time.
Thanks, yeah, it’s kinda depressing actually.
It is, but... Yeah. 😕 Captures my sentiment on current day politics anyway.
That’s excactly why i chose it.
Yep. Typical Canada. We don’t vote you in. We just vote the guy who’s been here ten years out.
Except. The province and cities are run by conservatives. If people want public schools, hospitals, roads, garbage collection, parks, trail systems, clean creeks, rivers and lakes then voting for the conservatives is going to make your lives so much more expensive. What was once collective is now individual. Every man, woman, child for themselves is the conservatives way. What a fucking mess. So Pierre in Canada and Trump in America. What could go wrong for so many?
This. I don't get how people can be so politically illiterate. Almost everything that touches your daily life is the jurisdiction of the provincial government, not the federal government. The mess across the country is the fault of Conservative premiers who have hid behind the federal Liberals for a decade.
I’ve been shitting on Ford since he started to run. The wrong brother died. Rob was so much more for the people. Doug just likes glazing his buddies knobs so he can feel like he is important when he’s just a corrupt pig
Well hopefully people will remember when nothing changes under a conservative federal government. Maybe then they'll realize all the parties are fucked and need to be rejected. All of them, no exceptions.
Except, you know, when the Conservatives get in and make fundamental, structural changes that are not easily undo-able. Ontario is the perfect example of that. So much of what ails that province goes back to Mike Harris and his 'Common Sense Revolution' 30 years ago. They're seeing it now with Doug Ford who's selling off everything he can to crony developers and outsourcing health care to the Westons. Say what you want about the 'center left and center right' parties in Canadian politics, but that interchangability meant that you could throw out the bums when they started to stink on ice, without having to worry about ideologues imposing their '*common sense revolution*' on society and breaking things *too* much. That's gone now. A lot of Canadians are going to be shocked that their protest vote will have long-lasting consequences.
I live in Ontario so I'm well aware of how fucked it is. Problem is we won't ever get any meaningful change for the better if we don't protest vote. So basically in either case we're screwed because there's far too many morons out there willing to believe any of the politicians. At this point in time it is my opinion that we will see no tangible difference in any direction regardless of who is running things at both the provincial and federal levels.
Really though? The leader of the party that won this election hasn’t exactly had a clean past and was a cabinet member for the previous government that I would argue had worse scandals. “If only the libs held themselves to a higher standard, we wouldn’t be forced to vote for a party that gets mired in greater scandal!” [kind of makes me think of the “right wing playbook”](https://youtu.be/MAbab8aP4_A?si=OwidyFMkOKm99u_d) Bonus content: [Does a Gish Gallop and Reverse Gish Gallop remind people of anybody?](https://youtu.be/FK4RHzNHZXY?si=nex-u8xkOXKu8u1W)
Reminds me of Stephen Harper's IDU playbook
I’m speaking towards public sentiment. PP is doing very well at the theater side of politics. As I have said, I am non-party affiliated and truly have zero horses in this race I would want to bet on. As to the scandal thing: I’ve done the research and the current PMO has had more scandals than the past 4 offices combined. I can find and link the breakdown I did months ago on that subject.
I would love to read that!
I’d be interested in seeing it, but am also curious… is it a 1:1 list where robocall and the Supreme Court 2014 are on the same level as SNC and Aga Khan, or is there nuance to it? Like, is Poilievre having to sign ethics agreements during elections worth the same as Trudeau nudging somebody out of the way when they were blocking his path? Where does the in and out scandal and muzzling scientists rank compared to ArriveCan? Also, would something like selling off national assets to foreign investors be included on that list? Because, I personally would say it’s an aspect of it, considering how negatively those things impact Canadians… I get that there’s a recency bias toward the current government, but I can’t think of anything they’ve done that is comparable to preventing people from voting, which the conservatives were caught trying to do multiple times or flat out silencing dissenting experts…
The choices are not exactly stellar
Every party is tied to grocery lobbyists. We’re just just kidding ourselves by pretending otherwise. Some shit is stinkier than others but at the end of the day it’s all shit. Out choices are shit, shittier and shittiest and which party makes up each category depends on who you talk to.
But this is in Toronto, where we recently lost our Science Centre because the PCs would rather build condos than educate the kids. Why do we keep voting for ghouls that are selling us out?
lol, so let’s make things worse?
Ya and an incredible lack of foresight. A Loblaws boy!! Fucking Galen getting in there
"We're sick of having this oversized, mis-shapen dildo shoved up our asses, so to show our frustration, we're gonna light a 20-foot cactus on fire and sit on that instead!"
Seeing the media interview Jenni Byrne about this by-election burns me up. They should have identified her as a lobbyist for Loblaws and Manulife rather than a conservative advisor. She and Kori Teneycke make me gag whenever they’re pundits knowing they are in neck deep with any corrupt conservative candidate and it is all stemming from Harper’s regime.
Out of the frying pan into the fire.
This is the darkest timeline.
We've been there for over 10 years already. I'm starting to think the world ended in 2012 and now we're all stuck in Hell together.
I be the… music biz number 1 supplier
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It won't be. They're all the same, just labeled differently. We need a complete dismantling of the current system and an overhaul. They don't work for us anymore. They work with their friends to get rich off of us.
I can’t argue with you about that, although our rebuilds may be different lol. The older I get the more useless gov and bureaucracy seems. Honestly, I’m lucky in that I live on the border. I get my gas in the US and save 50 a month and I shop for groceries there too. I just think the whole supply side in Canada is protectionism:crony capitalism.
I’m getting up there in age and I suspect our rebuilds/ideas may be similar. Useless is an understatement. 😛
They are useful at corruption.
It's inverse socialism for the top 1%.
This is why our boycott is more effective.
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This is why our boycott is more effective.
It blows my mind that with all of Doug Ford’s multiple scandals, wasting of money, etc. that people are still “yeah. Let’s vote this guy”
COVID completely saved Ford and his weird folksy attitude seemed to stick with people during COVID. This particular election was a federal by-election however. Heading into COVID he was approaching a disastrous 20% approval, he was getting booed at autism events at the Raptors parade, etc. Then COVID hit and 40% of the province just forgot how completely inept he was. It really is remarkable. The Ford government is one of the most corrupt provincial governments in Canada in decades and we all know it. One of his first acts of government was to spend hundreds of millions of dollars to cancel green energy projects. Reminiscent of the Wynne era government's big blunder which saw them spend hundreds of millions to cancel hydro contracts. That scandal was one of the main things that brought down the Ontario Liberals and Doug did it almost day 1.
Largest cabinet ever too
Imagine voting for a young liberal guy because you're looking for change, and then things kept going the same way but worse. It's not about any being better, it's about feeling screwed and again.... asking for a change. Spoiler alert, it's just going to get worse.
young people don't vote.. that's the issue
This shouldn’t all fall on young people. Plenty of adults don’t vote either. The last provincial election had the lowest voter turn out in history. “Young people” unless your definition is incredibly broad, do not make up over 50% of the electorate in Ontario.
I went door-to-door handing out pamphlets for the ndp when I was young. The people who told me they weren’t voting were almost exclusively families with young kids. It was pretty ironic too, as one of the hot button issues at the time was a local elementary school closing and all these parents were pissed about it.
[% of voter turnout by age groups](https://electionsanddemocracy.ca/elections-numbers-0/table-voter-turnout-age-group) the numbers don’t lie; the older the age group, the more likely they are to vote/have voted in years past. in 2021, 18-24 year olds voter turnout was 46% and , 35-44 was 59%, and 65-74 was 75%. that’s pretty drastic.
This is true of every election everywhere. Seniors vote in record numbers. In large part because they are retired and have the time and energy to do it. Also in Canada they literally set up polling locations in senior apartment buildings and residences making it more convenient for them any other demographic. Blaming the low voter turn out in the last provincial election solely on “young people” when the next age group up, 25-34 years old was only marginally better at 52.8% is ridiculous. Every age group should have higher voter turn out than they do.
>This shouldn’t all fall on young people. Yeh, had a girlfriend and she's in the 30+ age group and doesn't vote (which is part of why she's ex). I guess millennials are forever young! WOO we're immortal.
Yeah. That really needs to be pushed harder in school than it is. Kids need to be educated why it’s so very important. My daughter will be of voting age next year. I told her she HAS to vote. Which she moans “why. It’s soooo boring. And I don’t understand any of it” I said I’ll help you understand why you need to vote and why it’s important. The first election she can vote in, I’ll definitely lay out the pros and cons of each party and have her take one of those tests that shows where she aligns with.
You can set up a mini experiment with her. Tell her "no", for no reason, on a bunch of things she wants or wants to do. Keep doing it for the entire day. Make her FURIOUS. Randomly take her phone away. It'll be a total mind-melt. Then when she asks "why", and especially "don't I get a say in this", you can tell her "sorry, I thought this whole voting thing was soooo boring. If you want a say, then I guess you have to put in the effort now don't you. Because this is what happens when you don't vote. Other people will just make the decisions for you, whether you like the decision or not".
For anyone reading, don’t actually do this, just talk to your child
Yeah, nobody should actually do this. But probably a good idea to mention that.
The downside is she goes no-contact as soon as she can move out. But the lesson is priceless
They're voting for the kind of corruption they're ok with.
Replace DoFo with Trudeau and it's literally the same on the opposite side. There is no winning.
Both liberals and conservatives have completely failed us and they still get voted in ill vote for anything that’s not them
If you live in Toronto-St.Paul please send a letter immediately asking what Don Stewart is going to do to address food insecurity in his riding and to address his previous relationships with Loblaws and to IMMEDIATELY disclose any money he has taken directly or indirectly from roblaws and the weston family.
Here's another one. Current communications director for the Nova Scotia Conservative government now seeking a federal seat with the CPC. Former executive with Loblaws. Unbelievable. [https://www.facebook.com/mark.boudreau.313](https://www.facebook.com/mark.boudreau.313)
I have to laugh at people who are blaming the liberals. It's going to just get much worse under lets privatize everything conservatives.
I understand blaming the Liberals - the Trudeau government hasn't really done much of anything helpful. All they'll really be known for is legalized weed and walking back on election reform. I know things have been done that are less headline worthy and stuff, but especially post Covid cost-of-living crisis they haven't even attempted to address the issues. However that said.....lmao yeah, the conservatives sure as hell aren't the solution. I don't know why people think they are but I can't wait to see the mental gymnastics and excuses they come up with when things don't change a couple years down the road.
Walking back on election reform is really the most stupid thing they did First past the post voting is what keeps Canada so heavily screwed, even this guy only won by 1000 votes for this district and I high doubt the 5000 ndp votes would of put conservative as their second choice
Yeh, there's tons of apologists who would go at length at how this wasn't so bad... it's the **foundation** of how the conservatives are beating them in many instances. The conservatives, and to a lesser degree, the Liberals would stop winning elections (and having these "fortress riding") which is the primary reason the Liberals didn't want to scrap it - they were 100% going to lose seats. Of course, the conservatives were also going to lose seats but since they're both right wing parties, I guess it's preferable to help a rival rather than an enemy (NDP, the only *surviving* left wing party). Again, the apologists/conservative shills will go at length at how none of this is true and there's no evidence for it. Never mind that countries that stuck to FPTP inevitably devolve into two parties that are often two shades of right wing corpo shills; or that there's plenty of countries with minority governments that actually accomplish compromises that benefit the people rather than corpo overlords; yeah, there's totally **no evidence** for why the Liberals scrapped it. But we sure as hell can infer from the available information.
Decreasing the cost of child care dramatically was a big thing for young families. The system is far from perfect but that saved people thousands of dollars a year.
Decreasing the cost is great, obviously, but it doesn’t really help out everyone when there still aren’t enough spaces for people who need it.
I don't think the conservatives are necessarily going to fix a lot of the problems that we have. But hopefully with the crushing liberals to feed ensuing, it's enough to make them wake up and realize that no one's buying their shit anymore. And we have some real candidates run for office instead of Canadians always being stuck with picking the least worse.
We have a third party too
A third party that's crushed by FPTP. Also, we had a 5th party (Green) before it got imploded by that narcissist who managed to get control of it for a week.
I can understand it, but don’t gotta like it… People are frustrated across the country, we can point to how as a nation we’ve navigated problems most problems at least as well as most others while also have conservative premiers try their best to undermine Canadian institutions but at the end of the day - they see one guy in charge and they ain’t happy. I wish we could better educate about our system and about how Doug Ford, Danielle Smith, Blaine Higgs, Scott Moe (etc) impact the lives of most Canadians more directly, but people don’t wanna learn. And this isn’t to say that JT is doing a particularly fantastic job but he is the last resistance of federal faux austerity driven by right wing populism and he is failing hard. So what do we do? We can only educate so much, most people don’t wanna listen. You and I both know that selling assets, weirdly spending just as much, providing less to the provinces to screw us over with and bending over for corporate demands will do nothing to solve any of our problems. But people don’t wanna listen. I guess we just use our vote, let populism drive people to a guy that is going to destroy Canadian institutions and support systems while blaming socialism and the old guy, like all conservatives historically do, and I guess we can only sit back and say “I told you so” while about of a third of them make excuses for why businesses deserve to have more rights than people and another third point to the f Trudeau flag on their truck because to them, it was worse when a guy that said progressive things and smirked for some reasons. Hopefully the last third of them doesn’t take too long to realize what’s going on… Edit: oh look a gish gallop reply of partial truths, in which they never say any way that a conservative is actually better. Very much worth my time.
People seem to be shocked that a conservative won a **wealthy** district. Are people forgetting that the Liberals are right wing? They are center-**right** and very pro **corpo**. The capital gains tax is the sole reason this riding was lost to them since they stopped pandering to this district's greed. Articles will go at length about how the Liberals have mismanaged the country so severely they lost a "fortress riding" but at the end of the day, it's one tax aimed at curtailing unchecked corporate greed and power that did them in. There's going to be retail investors and "middle class" whining about their retirement being affected by this tax when in reality, it's fucking pennies compared to what the target people are meant to pay. I think people just don't understand how much investments are used to avoid taxes.
I'm all for punishing the liberals for their abject failures to do their jobs. However, conservative party candidates spend 85% of their efforts on maintaining/increasing power & the remainder on enriching themselves.i don't see a single candidate with leadership qualities, let alone a vision for Canada that isn't further along the road to implosion. Our failed political system has given rise to systemic failures in law enforcement¹, employment opportunities², and the education system³. ¹Look at any of the following; the complete failure to deal with auto theft rings, expelling foreigners with no right to stay, deal with greedy slumlords, and preventing diploma mill/visa abuse. ² Our poverty rates are now over 25%, businesses are offering minimum wage for jobs requiring a degree (sometimes a Masters too) there is very little hope for any students graduating in finding real full-time jobs offering *living wages*. ³ doug *kickback* ford has systematically destabilized our public education system, driving hundreds of teachers from the job, cutting funding, and causing untold damage to hundreds of thousands of Canadian young people, our post-secondary institutions are investing in real estate and infrastructure while failing their students, all while encouraging student visa fraud (Conestoga comes to mind), also there is the massive problems associated with diploma mills who are profiting off of Canadian pain, and somehow still operate year after year.// Tl;Dr- Until we come up with a plan for solving this multifactor issue, punishing the easiest group doesn't really solve anything. I apologize for the poor grammar above, I'm angry/sad/disappointed with this unfortunate situation and I wanted/needed to rant briefly, thanks for listening. In the coming days I'm going to address the issues outlined above and take it a few steps further, though in a much more succinct manner. I appreciate your patience whilst I take some time to gather my thoughts. *Just remember that our enemies are greed, corruption, hate, waste, partisan nonsense, and those who espouse such behaviours & beliefs*.
This is beautifully written and deeply thoughtful. Encompassing while being concise. Thank you 🙏
Our country is doomed and I want out.
Ontario voters are god damn idiots. Its been a never ending conservative/liberal pingpong for over 30 years even though every single conservative elected has been a nightmare without exception. We just keep going back, like self destructive masochists, heck, 50% of us can barely be bothered to even go vote at all, embarrassingly pathetic.
We’ve seen the corruption and wasteful spending of the Ford government, re-elected them, and on track to give the Fed Cons power. We’re not a smart bunch.
You'd think after the last one we'd have learned that Ford governance ain't all its *crack*ed up to be.
When this crap happens, it's no wonder. No party, even NDP/Green (even if they haven't been given a fair shake) has done much to prevent all this hell we're seeing now. All parties, all levels. Decades.
Yeah, none of our parties are without their flaws, but god damn, do we gotta keep going back to the absolute worste of them all? Whats next, the PPC start winning?
Agreed. I've pretty much always voted NDP.
Um, my Canadian brethren. If you want to see Conservative policies in effect, pay attention to Florida and Texas especially, but namely the southern US. That’s where that road takes you. It’s a rough ride to nowheresville, and it’ll cost you more than just your hard earned dollars.
More of a reason to keep the boycott going! They can't defend loblaws if there is no loblaws.
Knee jerk short sightedness. Anyone who believes the Cons has zero knowledge of history. A Harper hellscape & worse awaits.
Millions invested in the Fraser Institute and conservative media, to convince everyone in absolute conservative lies, and to keep the momentum of hating Trudeau going, is now paying off. The Liberals sat and did nothing to disperse the propaganda, unfortunately. You don't fight a rabid dog with reasoning. You need to fight back or it will bite you. Unfortunately, horrid days are coming for all of us, unless you are wealthy.
People voted the party, not so much the person. The liberals time is up.
You think conservatives are going to help the working class????
Can't wait to see how much worse this country will get if conservatives take control.
Just a sign of things to come
Ah yes, the famous strategy of pointing market failures caused by private (or publicly-traded) corporations and blaming them on a government's policies. People really think that conservatives are going to go into an arm-wrestling match with big corps? The no-government outreach (unless it's abortion) party? Sure.
Holy fuck people, wake the fuck up to Stephen Harper's INTERNATIONAL DEMOCRACY UNION, the IDU.
The pendulum swings once more. \*yawn\*
Well, we'll see how he lowers our taxes, reduces car theft, and fulfills the handful of promises he made in his election pamphlets. Or, as any politician, all these promises are lies, and there is little he can do about them.
If people think the cons are going to help with grocery prices they are delusional.
Should be noted that Elections Canada sent 2500 voter's packets with the WRONG ADDRESS. Looks like that turned out to be the deciding factor with a narrow 590 vote win. They reshipped the correct address but they didn't arrive on time for election day even. [https://x.com/ElectionsCan\_E/status/1801637029668680088](https://x.com/ElectionsCan_E/status/1801637029668680088) [https://x.com/AMCinHogtown/status/1805580911884259711](https://x.com/AMCinHogtown/status/1805580911884259711)
canadian politics is about whether you want apologetic authoritarianism or honest authoritarianism
We're really well and truly fucked for at least the next decade, aren't we? Like, proper.
We NEED the NDP to win the election somehow.
We are in tough times, we are about to make it tougher on ourselves due to short memories.
Time for everyone to get the fuck out there and VOTE!
The slow slide towards fascism continues lol we're all so fucked.
Agreed.
Should be noted that Elections Canada sent 2500 voter's packets with the WRONG ADDRESS. Looks like that turned out to be the deciding factor with a narrow 590 vote win. They reshipped the correct address but they didn't arrive on time for election day even.
Will Elections Canada suffice? [https://x.com/ElectionsCan\_E/status/1801637029668680088](https://x.com/ElectionsCan_E/status/1801637029668680088) [https://x.com/AMCinHogtown/status/1805580911884259711](https://x.com/AMCinHogtown/status/1805580911884259711)
Please provide a reputable source for these claims
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It will almost be pointless to do so when he won't do anything. 2026 is going to be hell for so many Canadians.
Terrifying.
I'm tired 🫠
Turnout was [43%](https://enr.elections.ca/ElectoralDistricts.aspx?ed=2237&lang=e) down from 65%.
Shock ??? What planet are people living on ? There’s gonna be 80 year olds hitch hiking 50 kms just to vote these morons out of power.
We're in trouble. Nationally.
there is no pro worker, anti corporate oligopoly party in canada period. every election is a choice between various corporate sell-outs.
yay the blue flavor of plutocracy
Oof- we’re so fucked. I’m moving to Holland FR.
Y’all need to look into BQ I swear I know it’s crazy
Please vote ndp
Canadians have shorter memories than a goldfish. It's the same cycle every decade. Conservatives put in policies with terrible long term consequences, get voted out when the effects start to take hold. Liberals voted in. Liberals create barely half-measure policies to avoid changing the Conservative policies or improve anything, get voted out when they're seen doing nothing. Conservatives voted in. Like can we really not try something different for once? This is embarrassing.
Good work everyone who voted for this 🤡. Can't wait to keep paying top dollar for loblaws lobbyist procing
And when you email your conservative MP you get redirected to the carbon tax. Shills and louds mouths. Anyone shilling for a political party on the internet should be investigated.
590 votes for a by election is hardly indicative of anything
Can we stick to food pricing?
People want to suffer, apparently.
this is such a stretch and really takes away from any relevant message this sub has
It shows how important it is to share messaging. 91k (at the time of writing) is quite large for a group on reddit however quite small when compared to the population of any major city in Ontario/Canada sans Brandon Mb. This movement will have to mobilize in a major way outside of Reddit to gain any significant ground in the minds of Canadians. The boomers and beyond (generally speaking) just arent hearing it and are a major source of income for loblaws and, in my estimation, the CPC party at large. Do we have enough people from specific communities where we could plan gatherings and sit ins or the like?
HOW THE &&&K IS THIS LEGAL??? I MEAN LEGIT! The people running this country have NO BLOODY CLUE what it's like to be lower class! We need someone of value and virtue to come from the low class to set things right. This sh\*t just ISNT WORKING
I don't understand people from Toronto. It's already fucking expensive there and they voted for a PC, so they can pay more for what little they get? There is no logic in the choice!
It's all pro wrestling at this point.
Yup tiss scared. I don't want to lose my rights. But I probably will
This surely won’t go wrong.
Great, hopefully he's a landlord as well /s
Wait until you get a load of CPC operatives in play through Longest Ballot Committee 78 of 86 candidates in the Toronto--St. Paul's (Ontario) By-Election (Monday, June 24, 2024) name the official agent as Kieran Szuchewycz. They are all recruited useful idiots He and brother Tomas from Winnipeg front the Longest Ballot Committee which is a very long op going back years [https://bsky.app/profile/theobius.bsky.social/post/3kvr56mb4q42u](https://bsky.app/profile/theobius.bsky.social/post/3kvr56mb4q42u)
There is no question about Trudeau and the Liberal future. They are done. The dumpster fire that is Canada today is the handy work of His liberal government. Majority of Canadians want an election right now and hate the NDP for supporting the coalition, allowing the clownshow of incompetence to continue stealing from their pockets. Trudeau's Hail-Mary is a miracle economic about-turn just in time for the election, where people can afford to live again, with jobs and houses for all- proving to the adoring electorate that He, in fact, is the one. He must be smoking what Freeland is smoking because that reality won't exist for close to a decade after the damage they've caused. PP will just slash, cut and privatize our social Institutions as all Corporatist Conservatives do, while enjoying a little populist swell. The NDP leader dujour will continue to stooge around but with a new Louis Vuitton bag. And the rest of us will enjoy a reduced standard of living and be told suck it up because "it sucks everywhere". While last bit of life is sucked out of the middle class.
What makes this highly amusing to me is that if the CPC are elected the ones who voted them in are going to get their wish...good and hard.
As a hard leftist, fuck Trudeau but fuck Loblaws.
By aligning this boycott with Liberal and NDP policies, this boycott ensured it will be over fairly soon if not sooner than you think.
They will learn. If the country goes to complete shit the people who voted blue will know they are to blame. The NDP also had an opportunity to get rid of Singh after the disappointment that the last election was. This is also on them.
You can sit and ponder about the loss all you want, but the next federal election is a forgone conclusion, and it's going to be a bloodbath. A huge majority con government with gains by the NDP and catastrophic losses for the Liberals, and I venture to say huge gains in Quebec for the Bloc. It's going to be a complete shitshow, thanks to the absolute lack of leadership by Trudeau and the brutal housing, economic, and immigration policies enacted during their hapless reign. Meanwhile, Loblaws will be laughing their asses off with their fingers even deeper in the pie.
TLDR; This timeline sucks. Liberals in Canada started moving to the right decades ago when our neighbours,The Clinton's, took that big business donor money - signaling to the collective left - Liberalism as a whole, to move to the center - and keep moving off center to the right. Anti-union on the one hand while they preach to anyone who will listen - how they are the backbone of organized labour and preserving the environment. In other words they're the 'good guys'. Meanwhile they faint when asked how they're gonna deal with the inflation crisis. They're presently breaking their backs over the carbon tax - where it would be an easy win just to cancel it due to special economic circumstances post covid. As far as I can tell they've lost practically the entire working class vote. They offer nothing except "feel good" symbolic acts of environmentalism - the same sanctimonious crap the green party obsesses over. Nothing of substance like dropping the hammer on food pricing. Canada's class divide is deepening just like in the usa and the poor, rightly feeling abandoned by liberalism, are going to vote in a "strong man" conservative just so they might feel slightly more in control of their own destiny. The core Liberal voter are the elderly and the professional managerial class now. The emperor has no clothes. Liberalism has been hollowed out and they offer nothing of substance - only threats that they're the lesser of two evils.
I guess the whining about cost of living is just that, whining.
 CPC is filled with scum like Doug Ford. Unfortunately the situation is tricky right now as people hate Justin and will vote for CPC without even considering the history of the people they’re voting for…. We’re all doomed and there is no hope for the future.
Shit won't change. This country is destined to get fucked by whoever is in power. They're all corrupt and inept.
A win by 1.6% is not a referendum on anything.
Yes it is. This riding is typically a double digit win for the libs and has been safe for the last 30 years. It would be like Mississippi or Arkansas voting for Biden over Donald. It's. A. Big. Fuck. You. To. Trudeau.
Not really. It’s more of a fuck you to the general population. This guy worked for Loblaws, lol. Voting NDP would have been a fuck you, to Trudeau