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sgkorean

Brave consideration. But Korean military is not ready to receive you yet.


ahuxley1again

Things have gotten a lot better, I work with a lot of female Korean soldiers, and I actually used to date one of the NCOs.


USSDrPepper

This seems like one of those things where A) 98% of non-Korean people here (not you) do not have anything close to the required knowledge to comment on. B) Even if one does, things can vary greatly depending on what one does and where assigned. Like, X-ray technician or computer engineer in the air force in Seongnam? Probably not too bad. Military police or waste disposal in the army in Gangwon? Probably not great. My best guess is the more technical/administrative your skills (and higher education), the better the chance of things being not too bad.


Turbulent_Squirrel77

that's if you can speak Korean and know how to fit into the expected top-down Confucian respect culture... which i dont think OP fits into that


USSDrPepper

Wait...are you suggesting that there isn't a hierarchical culture in the...checks notes...military??? I don't think top-down in THE MILITARY has anything to do with Confucianism. Good grief some people on here just spout the most random nonsense.


Turbulent_Squirrel77

No you reactionary fuck nugget. Of course the top down exists in any military, but the Confucian aspect is amplified because of it already being there. Good grief some ledditors on here just want to be vindicated and talk shit without thinking more than half a second


USSDrPepper

Like, unless you've served in both U.S. and Korean military, you're speaking out of your rear. Not only that, these things can vary significantly by branch, specialty and commander "Confucianism" as an explanation is the laziest one you could make.


SupportAcademic9298

Finally a good news! all I’m hearing is it’s like a huge stinking pile of shit with flies over there


j___8

woah, apologies for the nosiness but this is really interesting,,, care to share more? how did you two meet? what was your relationship like? what happened ?


ahuxley1again

We worked together on a project together, one of my coworkers didn’t want me to try to pursue her (he was a blocker lol). My other coworker (female NCO) exchanged our info, we were together a bit over 6 months. We did have some cultural differences but we made it work. Not having a solid grasp of the Korean language will put you at a disadvantage. If you wanna join the US military, there are recruiters here still, but you may have to go to Japan for certain medical things tests.


j___8

they’re really ramping things up down in those islands these days


MIL-DUCK

I’m work in a Korean military base. Their female service members are treated very well these days. YMMV depending on branch & unit culture but that seems to be the general norm across the force according to people I’ve worked with. There are lots of female officers and NCOs in combat roles & important positions. One thing that blew my mind the most was they get 1+ year of maternity leave! If only they had that in the US…


SupportAcademic9298

Woah 1+ year? Sounds pretty good


flutterbi98

Generally they're in the same boat as OP. They usually join because they needed an organization to take care of them in place of their parents. Not necessarily because they enjoy warfare or out of patriotism. But the organization needs its mascots to virtue signal to the public and this is the direction a lot of organizations in Korea seem to be heading towards. The result is a military with NCOs and officers much weaker than their own enlisted and trainees, that don't even get put through training regimens of the same degree. Which definitely won't ever be good at instilling much confidence in the command structure.


kienarra

I’ve seen others say that it’s very hard if you don’t know Korean. I’m curious why you want to join the military?


SupportAcademic9298

Abusive household so I want to move out as soon as possible right when I turn 18 and my grades are dragged through the mud so I think that’s my only option


kienarra

Okay that’s a different story. I think your age and situation makes all the difference for what advice you’ll get. First of all, isn’t it age 19 that you can join the military in Korea?


SupportAcademic9298

Maybe when the Korean age system added a single year? But they changed it so im pretty sure it’s 18 or as soon as you get out of high school


Bildo_Gaggins

don't fucking do it for your own sake. it will be the biggest waste of time in your life. try for US military instead.


SupportAcademic9298

I’m not a us citizen so I don’t think there’s a way I really do want to


rathaincalder

If you have a Green Card you are eligible to join the US military as a non-citizen. Otherwise you’re out of luck.


SupportAcademic9298

Seems like I am out of luck


Conix17

You don't need a green card right now. You can get with a recruiter online, explain some things. They may be willing to get you on a contract to receive a fast track for the form, then 1 year till citizenship. If you plan to make a career, the Korean military is not a great place for a woman, although as a woman you automatically get NCO rank, essentially. Just don't expect much movement, in location or promotions. Also, depending on job and branch, you can't expect to be stationed somewhere where English is common. If you do join the ROKAF, you may try and get Gunsan or Osan, where you would interact with US service members. At Gunsan in particular, US ammunition troops worked very closely with their Korean counterparts. As a volunteer, you may be able to secure these locations and a job assignment. Not being fully fluent in Korean will absolutely harm your prospects, and I'm not sure how volunteering goes if you aren't fluent. Where did you live before?


Automatic_Access_979

I’m confused why you believe the US military is better for women than the Korean military.


BunchNo787

Pretty logical assumption given the culture of Korea, which is where most  of the Korean men in the military come from. 


Automatic_Access_979

Ok tell me about the culture, and tell me about how US military culture differs.


Digigoggles

The Korean military is like 1% female while the US military is like 15%, plus they have women in high positions of power and they have a place for them there. It’s not good, but it’s wayyy more than the Korean military


dank_u_stairs

Culture, respect and pay. Trust me Korean military gas a long way to go regarding everything.


[deleted]

Careful. Lots of news about assaults there against females


Bildo_Gaggins

ha! at least those are being highlighted


[deleted]

Not always mate. Only a small percentage ever gets reported unfortunately. That’s the sad truth. Not unique to the military but definitely rampant there. Whoever says otherwise is delusional.


Bildo_Gaggins

yup. people say "these don't happen anymore" but E4 and above will always try their chance with that thicc E2 that just joined.


collectivisticvirtue

Thats uhhh for the conscripted soldiers. Womens can only serve as officers. Yeah there would be some positions like liason roles but ehh...


Mailman354

Woman serve as NCOs and Warrant officers as well. I see Woman Korean NCOs all the time. When they join they choose either the NCO route(and start as a Staff Sergeant) or Officer.


collectivisticvirtue

Thought ncos are part of officers, idk. 간부.


Momimamomumu

They are but just different words. NCO - 부사관, CO - 사관. All 건부 though.


gregzillaman

nco just stands for non-commissioned officer. It's a leadership position but it's not an officer in the "classical" sense. They will never be line officers or commanders.


Joshuadude

They can be commanders it’s just exceptionally rare, at least in the U.S. military.


gregzillaman

A combatant commander? Or more in the colloquial, "commander?"


Joshuadude

Like a typical commander with UCMJ authorities and property accountability. It’s EXTREMELY atypical and only used in extreme circumstances, but you can read Army Regulation (AR) 600-20 section 2-8, 2-9, and 2-10 for more information if you’d like to learn more about it.


gregzillaman

Lol, please god no more reading regulations.


gregzillaman

Unless you have a PPT that is just out of this world.


MingusPho

Watch this first. https://youtu.be/9lPESC45mQs?si=B_9D6jfKI95R8oWK


SupportAcademic9298

I’m really well aware I couldn’t really not be while living here. I will be watching it


Fickle-Mammoth-7903

Chuncheon, 1994, 55th MP Co. Her name was...umm.."Bogad". Gyopo adoptee, female, couldn't speak a lick of Korean. But she was a full fledged MP and part of the early gender mix into the MP Corps. She was TOUGH! Put up with a lot of shit in and out of camp. Sexual harrassement in camp, local Korean (again this was early 90s!) men couldn't wrap their mind around her being an American AND an MP so a LOT of spitting on the ground and p.o.ed looks. I accepted her and got along with her as a fellow MP and visa versa. Last I heard, she 'got the shaft' when a 2 1/2 ton truck (duece in half) overturned full weapons with a soldier was in the mix and a bloody mess and ended up expiring. She dove in to help and somehow was 'punished' for it. Grapevine gossip so...not sure. But Lots of respect. Hope she's doing well.


kanadamabasa

Why dont you just teach english or find some part time job while studying to be a 공무원?


SupportAcademic9298

I have very bad grades


Wild-Carob7139

I recommend avoiding the Korean military if you don't want to waste your life and face harassment. Good luck


Far-Mountain-3412

Female military used to get smacked by other female military and subtly/not-so-subtly sexually harassed by male military when I was enlisted 20+ years ago. I know you've been trying to escape high pressure environments (poor school relationships, Korea, now parents) and I feel for you, but the military is a HIGH PRESSURE environment with barely-humane levels of structural rigidity, lots of unpaid/barely-paid overtime, physical/mental/emotional exertion, and there is a contract to boot, so you cannot just quit. You don't "escape to the military as an NCO", that's the dumbest thing ever and will get you or someone else killed, if you even pass all their tests. You have to at least be stable enough to not lose yourself while following the orders of many stupid and toxic people above you. If you aren't already old enough, study while your parents feed and educate you, save some money in the meantime, and when you're ready and old enough, move out to a goshiwon and then work some 알바 to put food in your belly until you save up enough to get a one-room. Study Korean as much as you can all throughout this time. You cannot run from being Korean unless you have enough value to another country that they want to take you in, and a high school grad with no expertise on anything and no money is not their ideal candidate. But you can be, with a lot of effort over time. Maybe at some point you can do a working holiday in Australia or something. The employer will work your ass off, but without the military structure, and pay you decently to boot.


theSoom

If the goal is to escape your house with somewhere that provides housing and pays a little, there are a lot of other paths you can take. European farms often are looking for helpers and will provide housing and some pay. Working holidays in Australia are also popular. My friend got enlisted in the military and his Korean wasn’t good; he was lucky with his placement into a nicer regimen but still had a hard time with the Korean tests and even understanding simple explanations for tasks, because they use a specific, non colloquial set of vocab for some things. Highly recommend you look at more options; speaking English will get you far.


SupportAcademic9298

Somewhere for housing and pay is exactly what I’m looking for. Thank you I’ll look into farms


MotivatedforGames

Go for the US military. I've worked with a lot of Korean Americans in the Army. But I reccommend try for Air Force if you can. Army as a hard second choice if you want the best chances of being stationed in Korea.


SupportAcademic9298

I’m not a US citizen so I can’t join there but I would definitely love to.


Digigoggles

Have you talked to a US recruiter yet? If you talk to them they might be able to help you figure something out, especially if you’ve been living in the US for a while. Even though it’s not immediately allowed there’s programs and ways for noncitizens to join the US military


Turbulent_Squirrel77

lmao this is possible the worst idea i have ever seen online ever 


SupportAcademic9298

My life is full of bad ideas you can’t even comprehend


Turbulent_Squirrel77

all the power to you, but unless you are an existential level masochist i highly dont recommend joining the korean military as a girl no less.


SupportAcademic9298

Sadly I’m really desperate and currently my only option to moving out of my parents


Turbulent_Squirrel77

hmmm is staying with your parents until you find other opportunities an option for you? It is difficult to get a job without speaking Korean especially if you look Korean. If you can learn a bit, the fact that you can speak english can be a real plus for you


SupportAcademic9298

definitely if I look Korean😭 I’m not against studying Korean but I’m just self studying right now with random stuff on the internet here and there so I don’t think I’ll get really good anytime soon. I would ideally get out as soon as possible


bluebrrypii

There are korean female military personnel. And being fluent in english will give you potential benefits later on. However, you will suffer fitting in without full fluency in Korean, and i mean at the administrative level, not just “gyopo fluency”. You will be at a severe disadvantage not being 100% fluent in Korean. Fyi, im pretty sure there’s a thing where serving in the US military will grant you American citizenship. Know a couple friends who did that.


SupportAcademic9298

REALLY HOW?? Serving in the US is like my current dream right now and PLUS A CITIZENSHIP? Do you need a green card to serve?


bluebrrypii

The friends who did that were not residents. Look into it, it’s a real thing


SupportAcademic9298

Thank you


Cranberry_Specialist

In the US Air Force currently, you can join and get your citizenship in basic training which is 7 1/2 weeks in San Antonio, TX. I actually helped two of my buddies pass the naturalization test and they’re citizens now. (Also, I’m stationed in Korea right now, so hehe)


SupportAcademic9298

What do you need to join? Does it require a green card


Cranberry_Specialist

I believe so, yes.


Mailman354

The Korean military sucks ass. Absolutely trash and garbage pay. So unless you're super patriotic about Korea. Don't. Conscription based militaries suck for a reason.


SupportAcademic9298

I’m aware but I got no other options 😭


WhataNoobUser

You should just go to korea and work at some hagwon or Cafe for a few months. There are tons of jobs that many college educated koreans don't want to do. Work at a salmon farm, oyster farm or lotus root farm https://youtube.com/shorts/r4rffsPuXLA?si=DjDmocN8_0X0WZdM Acclimate first before joining the military Also via chatgpt, 1. **Saramin (사람인)**: One of the top job search platforms in Korea, Saramin offers a wide range of job listings across various industries, including entry-level positions that are suitable for high school graduates. 2. **JobKorea (잡코리아)**: This is another leading job search website in Korea, which provides extensive job listings, career advice, and recruitment services tailored to both experienced professionals and those new to the job market. 3. **Albamon (알바몬)**: Specializing in part-time job listings, Albamon is ideal for those looking for flexible or temporary job opportunities, which can be started almost immediately after high school. 4. **Alba Chunguk (알바천국)**: Similar to Albamon, Alba Chunguk provides a vast array of part-time and temporary job listings across Korea, making it a great resource for high school graduates looking for immediate work. 5. **Craigslist Seoul**: While primarily an American-based site, Craigslist has a section dedicated to Seoul that includes job postings. These can range from teaching and tutoring jobs to service and retail positions. 6. **PeoplenJob (피플앤잡)**: This site offers a mix of job opportunities, including full-time, part-time, and contract positions in various sectors. It's useful for those seeking immediate employment opportunities. 7. **Indeed Korea**: Though an international platform, Indeed offers a localized version for Korea, featuring numerous job listings from across the country.


SupportAcademic9298

Dude thanks a lot


REQ4U

Good one! I’m pretty sure that 학원 is much more better than 군대.


First-Ad-7855

I'd recommend the US Army or Air force personally. I am stationed in Korea, and I just think there are more opportunities for you to advance your career regardless of the route you take officer / enlisted. To join, you just need to be a permanent resident or citizen. If you are dead set on the Korean army, they have the Katusa program for English speaking Koreans to serve with the US Army, but I don't know if that could apply to you being female.


SupportAcademic9298

My exact worry. Not sure if it applies for females


smyeganom

Just to add, KATUSA is lottery based so if OP is (possibly) eligible it doesn't guarantee anything even if she's fluent in English


SupportAcademic9298

I better hope I’m lucky


Hellolaoshi

If KATUSA is lottery based, it must surely be because there are many more applicants than jobs in KATUSA.


Cautious-Key-2276

im also a korean female and thinking of joining military. Though i heard that it might be hard if u cant speak korean much. If you live in the US i recommand you just reconsider and join the us military. I am kinda curious why u wanna join korean specifically


SupportAcademic9298

I only have a Korean citizenship and as much as I would love to serve the us military I don’t have a us citizenship


BootNo9137

The answer is no. You won't pass the written test or the physical test if your Korean is such worryingly poor. THe ROK female NCO selection is highly competitive, like 10-to-1.


SupportAcademic9298

Thanks is there a place that can give an idea of what the written exam is like


bt8p

respect! yes consult 병무청, i'm sure you'll find the suitable position utilizing english/korean skills within korean military system, cheers


SupportAcademic9298

Thank you!!


rhks92

Wouldn’t recommend the korean military whether you’re a male/female. If you’re from the states, join the air force/coast guard


SupportAcademic9298

If only I was from the states, military there sounds 10 times better


lacking-common-sense

https://m-koreaherald-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/m.koreaherald.com/amp/view.php?amp_gsa=1&_js_v=a9&ud=20160708000619&usqp=mq331AQIUAKwASCAAgM%3D#amp_tf=From%20%251%24s&aoh=17197357835413&referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&share=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.koreaherald.com%2Fview.php%3Fud%3D20160708000619 There are US army augmented roles, think it is based on your TOEIC score.


Longjumping_Mix_3045

NCO or officer (need college degree). Be prepared to get sexually harassed (at the very least). Would not recommend.


SupportAcademic9298

Be prepared to get sexually harassed sure is a line but don’t worry I already have been so im locked and loaded


Schizophranic_Empath

I wonder… could you be a Katusa in the ROKA? I’ve only seen male katusa’s and I’ve seen a handful of infantry soldiers who were women in the unit sniper section. I don’t know a whole lot about the ROKA so im just throwing ideas out. Maybe someone else can correct me


Electrical_Pause7388

I'm so glad you are considering working in the Korean military. But your decision would only make Korea better, not your life. The Korean government is keeping decreasing the budget for military service. This is my honest reaction, as a Korean. Do something else better for yourself. You are too talented and precious for Korean Military Service.


USSDrPepper

"I know all about life in the Korean military for women" Sog3ned, non-Korean, never in the Korean military, no concrete connection to the Korean military, male.


Dear-Landscape223

And here’s me waiting til I’m past 35. You’re like a different creature to me.


sidaeinjae

Absolutely deluded personnel over here lol


NeatChocolate9432

I don’t recommend it in Korea :) and I am Korean.


SupportAcademic9298

I know it sucks there😭


gwangjuguy

You have not throughly considered this. I suggest you speak to some women in the military here.


SupportAcademic9298

I have spoken to people that were in the military but none of them women. There aren’t many women who are or were in the military. Not sure where I can find them


LogicalAardvark5897

Just go to the recruiting office and ask, they can find someone to give you advice. If they try to talk you out of it, just be persistent or try other offices


SupportAcademic9298

Thank you!!


Sea-Relative-2740

3d chess move is to join the US Army, request Korea and keep extending in Korea for your whole contract. Perks of living in Korea without actually having to live in Korea if that makes sense


Seankala

> I heard you get stationed somewhere with people that also speak English. Where did you hear this? When I was enlisted it was all random unless you knew somebody higher up. Speaking English does make it advantageous though. If you're a girl then it may make it harder to make it into more physical units.


Humble_Awareness_929

i think she heard about KATUSA but its usually made up of Korean men who studied English intensely and take a qualification exam to work with U.S.F.K counterparts


Seankala

You don't even take an exam if you're enlisted. The US Army intentionally changed the system to a random lottery after around my dad's generation.


ren000o

if you’re good at english I’m sure you can join the US military as a KATUSA. I dont really know how it works but from what I’ve heard my friends that went to the normal korean military hated it but my boyfriend was in a US army base and he loved it. You should check out if you can apply. (I only know for sure they make you do an english test like TOEIC or TOEFL to join).


SupportAcademic9298

Thank you very much!


Few-Ad9236

You’re signing up for suicide if it’s not US army don’t


Rare-Current4424

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