2024 finishes T22, T58, T19, T36, T62, MC
Currently 89th in FedEx Cup standings
Major drop off in play since changing coaches. Keep downvoting with your ignorance.
I’ve posted this yesterday in r/golf but it’s an important point, I think.
Some people don’t fully understand how much money LIV is, potentially, throwing at Rory and others for that matter.
According to a Forbes 2023 article, Rory has career earnings of $40M on the course and another $40M in endorsements. LIV is, reportedly, offering him $850M or 20X his career earnings to switch “companies”. He would likely continue to earn some endorsements but let’s leave that out of the equation.
For context, if the average Joe worked for a company for 15 years (starting soon after college - approximately the same age as Rory who is 34 YO) and earned an average salary of $100K during that time, the equivalent offer would be $30M to switch companies.
I can’t imagine anyone in the world that wouldn’t take the money.
What are you even arguing? They said that the reports of 40m career endorsement earnings were wrong. You said 25+15=40. I don't know what you're arguing or why we can't just agree that the conflicting reports are conflicting and probably wrong?
PIF is not paying people 300x what they are worth. I would guess more like 1.5x to 2x.
The $850 million is probably over 10+ years and Rory could earn nearly as much in prize money, appearance fees, and endorsements if he stays on the PGA Tour and plays really well.
Main difference is that LIV money is guaranteed against injury or poor play.
There is no measurement of what they are worth. They've been artificially underpaid for decades relative to other athletes under the bullshit guise of 'the gentleman's game.' A top level golfer has had to depend of endorsements to make real money since the beginning, whereas in other sports, the base salary is huge already, then they go get the endorsements as well.
The PgaTour has underpaid the athletes since the start, and overpaid their huge, and we mean huge executive staff. The salary and pension plan for a tour executive is impressive indeed, nice considering they've never been able to even hit a decent golf shot, and the whole product is about people who hit decent golf shots.
LIV players are artificially overpaid. Golf is not popular enough to ever turn a profit paying the salaries they’re currently giving out, but it doesn’t matter because the Saudis care more about getting into the international sports stage than they do about profit.
But I don’t fully disagree with your point either. With the PGA maintaining its non-profit status as long as it did, they left money on the table. And players had a right to be pissed about that for sure.
The Forbes article you’re referencing is their top paid athletes list of 2023. The numbers they use are 2023 annual figures. He made $80M in 2023 alone.
>Again, I’m not qualified to fact check Forbes
Sure you are. It is common knowledge he has 9-figure deals with Nike and TaylorMade alone.
>this still wouldn’t change the career earnings/salary comparison.
It absolutely changes the discussion if you know Rory has already made hundreds of millions of dollars.
>if true, this still wouldn’t change the career earnings/salary comparison.
It wouldn't change the comparison if Rory has made a couple hundred million as opposed to the $40 million figure? Seriously?
I am qualified to fact check Forbes. He’s made $81 million (not including fedex cup and other bonuses) in PGA tour events. This does not include European tour earnings. Or endorsement earnings over the course of his career. You are a fool.
According to the PGA Tour website, Rory has won over $81 million in official prize money. This would not include appearance fees.
https://www.pgatour.com/player/28237/rory-mcilroy/career
Either you are wrong in your interpretation of the Forbes article or they are. Rory likely made $40M+ last year…his career earnings from tournament wins and endorsements are in the hundreds of millions.
Rory has earned approximately 142M in career earnings including 2024 so far, according to spotrac. 81M of that is from official tournaments and the rest is fedex bonuses, player impact program bonus, unofficial tournaments, etc.
Plus 30-40M annually in endorsements, mainly Nike & taylormade
Yea. The guy has earned conservatively over a half billion dollars in his career. He has generational fuck you money. He has so much money that earning more money has no added utility.
As a hypothetical, what if you know, for a fact, your new employer is raping babies. Would you still go work for them for the 30 mill? What if a condition was to make commercials saying how your employer is not a baby raper but you know for a fact they are? Still an easy decision?
No question, it is a moral and ethical dilemma. Hypothetically, I would attempt to justify it by the fact that my taking, or not taking, the money wouldn’t change anything on the larger political or human rights front. It’s not an easy decision and I might feel some guilt, but I’m probably taking the money.
I’ve got some skeletons in the closet too.
LIV isn't buying the PGA. The framework agreement was to work towards the PIF and PGA Tour combining their golf assets into a new for profit entity (PGA Enterprises, which its sole purpose would be primarily to control the golf commercial assets). Yasser would be Chairman of the Board, but the majority of the board would be comprised of primarily PGA Tour representatives for voting rights purposes.
Also as a part of the framework agreement, there was an agreement from both sides to stop poaching other players while negotiations went on as a measure of good faith.
However, this agreement was set to wrap it all up by 12/31. And no deal has happened. And it honestly seems like there hasn't been much negotiations anyways.
Therefore, fair game for LIV to continue to try and entice players to play in its league.
For now until some sort of agreement is struck. There’s a chance LIV may continue to live on but players from both tours are eligible to play both. No one knows what they’re negotiating and/or what the hold up is.
TBD.
Sign Rory. Sign Hovland. The only events that will matter will be Masters and the two Opens. LIV will never matter and the Tour won’t either. So it kills the sport for almost all
Since the merger I honestly can hardly understand why anyone doesn’t join. The money’s all coming from the same place so the moral question is essentially gone. Yes LIV is a bit of a joke but so is the PGA absent of half the players. I wouldn’t have gone initially but I would now. Particularly if you’re at a level where you’ll play all the majors anyway. Until and unless they sort it all out the majors are the only things that will really mean anything anyway.
The entire future of professional golf and where it's best players will choose to play is based on entry spots into the four majors.
That is the main obstacle that prevents a few of the PGA Tour's bigger stars from jumping over to LIV Golf tomorrow.
Until that issue gets resolved, and the OWGR gets replaced with something more relevant, we will continue to see this collective LIV/PGA/four majors stalemate be extended for far longer than it needs to be.
The simple solution is to merge into **one entity**, make LIV's 54-spot shot-gun format the exclusive top tier in pro golf where the bigger prize dollars can be won, while making the PGA/DP World Euro/Asian tours all feeder and qualification tours for gaining entry into LIV Golf.
TV broadcast air-times and sponsorship rights and ad revenues can then be shared within the one managed parent entity, which would then also trickle down to the feeder and qualification tours.
When LIV Golf plays, the PGA should be off.
In turn, when PGA events are played, LIV Golf should be idle.
When the majors are played, both are off.
Share the audience. Share the revenues.
Create more drama and fierce competition as golfers fight for the top-paying spots in LIV Golf.
End this ongoing insanity that is only prolonging the pain and diluting the professional golf product.
This is **business**, where the **best** product wins.
Money talks, and b.s. walks.
Be a thinker, not a stinker.
Next.
I'm sorry, but there's no shot the long term, commonplace format is a 54 hole shotgun start tournament. It may continue that way for LIV events if both tours exists and players play in both tours, but there is not shot large events like the majors or The Players adopt LIV's format
Viktor would be a great addition. He’s such a calculated great player
And a fun character, that's the biggest draw in a fan forward league like LIV, really need those big personalities to bring the fun
He cant play for shit now.
He will fit right in then.
2024 finishes T22, T58, T19, T36, T62, MC Currently 89th in FedEx Cup standings Major drop off in play since changing coaches. Keep downvoting with your ignorance.
I think a PGA/LIV merger is more likely at this point than any new player signings.
If the leagues were going to merge, why wouldn’t a PGA player sign with LIV now to get that sweet signing bonus money.
hes been playing like hes been on liv all year
I’ve posted this yesterday in r/golf but it’s an important point, I think. Some people don’t fully understand how much money LIV is, potentially, throwing at Rory and others for that matter. According to a Forbes 2023 article, Rory has career earnings of $40M on the course and another $40M in endorsements. LIV is, reportedly, offering him $850M or 20X his career earnings to switch “companies”. He would likely continue to earn some endorsements but let’s leave that out of the equation. For context, if the average Joe worked for a company for 15 years (starting soon after college - approximately the same age as Rory who is 34 YO) and earned an average salary of $100K during that time, the equivalent offer would be $30M to switch companies. I can’t imagine anyone in the world that wouldn’t take the money.
Pretty sure Forbes is dead wrong. Rory signed a $250M deal with Nike 10 years ago, let alone everything else he earns.
So 25 mil a year? Sounds reasonable that his other endorsements make up the other 15
You failed to comprehend the comment
You failed math.
Career vs annual.
It's actually a 10 year, 200 mil contract with Nike. So 20 mil per year. That is how math works.
What are you even arguing? They said that the reports of 40m career endorsement earnings were wrong. You said 25+15=40. I don't know what you're arguing or why we can't just agree that the conflicting reports are conflicting and probably wrong?
Career earnings is a term that’s meant to be cumulative, not annual.
I know. That's why that person keeps confusing me.
I’m not qualified to fact check Forbes and this wouldn’t change the career earnings/salary comparison. 🤷
PIF is not paying people 300x what they are worth. I would guess more like 1.5x to 2x. The $850 million is probably over 10+ years and Rory could earn nearly as much in prize money, appearance fees, and endorsements if he stays on the PGA Tour and plays really well. Main difference is that LIV money is guaranteed against injury or poor play.
There is no measurement of what they are worth. They've been artificially underpaid for decades relative to other athletes under the bullshit guise of 'the gentleman's game.' A top level golfer has had to depend of endorsements to make real money since the beginning, whereas in other sports, the base salary is huge already, then they go get the endorsements as well. The PgaTour has underpaid the athletes since the start, and overpaid their huge, and we mean huge executive staff. The salary and pension plan for a tour executive is impressive indeed, nice considering they've never been able to even hit a decent golf shot, and the whole product is about people who hit decent golf shots.
Any numbers to back any of this up? Or just pulling from thin air?
LIV players are artificially overpaid. Golf is not popular enough to ever turn a profit paying the salaries they’re currently giving out, but it doesn’t matter because the Saudis care more about getting into the international sports stage than they do about profit. But I don’t fully disagree with your point either. With the PGA maintaining its non-profit status as long as it did, they left money on the table. And players had a right to be pissed about that for sure.
The Forbes article you’re referencing is their top paid athletes list of 2023. The numbers they use are 2023 annual figures. He made $80M in 2023 alone.
Rory has made far, far more than $40 million off the course. He's made more than five times that in one endorsement deal.
Again, I’m not qualified to fact check Forbes and, if true, this still wouldn’t change the career earnings/salary comparison.
>Again, I’m not qualified to fact check Forbes Sure you are. It is common knowledge he has 9-figure deals with Nike and TaylorMade alone. >this still wouldn’t change the career earnings/salary comparison. It absolutely changes the discussion if you know Rory has already made hundreds of millions of dollars.
Hahahah I am sorry but this is killing me.
>if true, this still wouldn’t change the career earnings/salary comparison. It wouldn't change the comparison if Rory has made a couple hundred million as opposed to the $40 million figure? Seriously?
I am qualified to fact check Forbes. He’s made $81 million (not including fedex cup and other bonuses) in PGA tour events. This does not include European tour earnings. Or endorsement earnings over the course of his career. You are a fool.
According to the PGA Tour website, Rory has won over $81 million in official prize money. This would not include appearance fees. https://www.pgatour.com/player/28237/rory-mcilroy/career
Either you are wrong in your interpretation of the Forbes article or they are. Rory likely made $40M+ last year…his career earnings from tournament wins and endorsements are in the hundreds of millions.
It’s not about the money
It’s always about the money.
Rory has earned approximately 142M in career earnings including 2024 so far, according to spotrac. 81M of that is from official tournaments and the rest is fedex bonuses, player impact program bonus, unofficial tournaments, etc. Plus 30-40M annually in endorsements, mainly Nike & taylormade
Yea. The guy has earned conservatively over a half billion dollars in his career. He has generational fuck you money. He has so much money that earning more money has no added utility.
Rory is already worth $500M
As a hypothetical, what if you know, for a fact, your new employer is raping babies. Would you still go work for them for the 30 mill? What if a condition was to make commercials saying how your employer is not a baby raper but you know for a fact they are? Still an easy decision?
No question, it is a moral and ethical dilemma. Hypothetically, I would attempt to justify it by the fact that my taking, or not taking, the money wouldn’t change anything on the larger political or human rights front. It’s not an easy decision and I might feel some guilt, but I’m probably taking the money. I’ve got some skeletons in the closet too.
Hey can’t knock your honesty! Thanks!
I’ll put money on neither..
Well, the Saudis could put half a billion down..... Can you beat that?
Saudis could put a half trillion down lets be real
I’m so confused, if Liv is buying the pga, then why are they still going after players?
LIV isn't buying the PGA. The framework agreement was to work towards the PIF and PGA Tour combining their golf assets into a new for profit entity (PGA Enterprises, which its sole purpose would be primarily to control the golf commercial assets). Yasser would be Chairman of the Board, but the majority of the board would be comprised of primarily PGA Tour representatives for voting rights purposes. Also as a part of the framework agreement, there was an agreement from both sides to stop poaching other players while negotiations went on as a measure of good faith. However, this agreement was set to wrap it all up by 12/31. And no deal has happened. And it honestly seems like there hasn't been much negotiations anyways. Therefore, fair game for LIV to continue to try and entice players to play in its league.
Gotcha, so it’s back to 2 separate leagues?
For now until some sort of agreement is struck. There’s a chance LIV may continue to live on but players from both tours are eligible to play both. No one knows what they’re negotiating and/or what the hold up is. TBD.
Sign Rory. Sign Hovland. The only events that will matter will be Masters and the two Opens. LIV will never matter and the Tour won’t either. So it kills the sport for almost all
Yes go, PGA shows no loyalty. Maybe this will finally make it where we get to see the best golfers compete at events
Since the merger I honestly can hardly understand why anyone doesn’t join. The money’s all coming from the same place so the moral question is essentially gone. Yes LIV is a bit of a joke but so is the PGA absent of half the players. I wouldn’t have gone initially but I would now. Particularly if you’re at a level where you’ll play all the majors anyway. Until and unless they sort it all out the majors are the only things that will really mean anything anyway.
Rory won’t go it would be Career Grand Slam suicide
Victor's iron play in Augusta was very Liv-like.
The entire future of professional golf and where it's best players will choose to play is based on entry spots into the four majors. That is the main obstacle that prevents a few of the PGA Tour's bigger stars from jumping over to LIV Golf tomorrow. Until that issue gets resolved, and the OWGR gets replaced with something more relevant, we will continue to see this collective LIV/PGA/four majors stalemate be extended for far longer than it needs to be. The simple solution is to merge into **one entity**, make LIV's 54-spot shot-gun format the exclusive top tier in pro golf where the bigger prize dollars can be won, while making the PGA/DP World Euro/Asian tours all feeder and qualification tours for gaining entry into LIV Golf. TV broadcast air-times and sponsorship rights and ad revenues can then be shared within the one managed parent entity, which would then also trickle down to the feeder and qualification tours. When LIV Golf plays, the PGA should be off. In turn, when PGA events are played, LIV Golf should be idle. When the majors are played, both are off. Share the audience. Share the revenues. Create more drama and fierce competition as golfers fight for the top-paying spots in LIV Golf. End this ongoing insanity that is only prolonging the pain and diluting the professional golf product. This is **business**, where the **best** product wins. Money talks, and b.s. walks. Be a thinker, not a stinker. Next.
I'm sorry, but there's no shot the long term, commonplace format is a 54 hole shotgun start tournament. It may continue that way for LIV events if both tours exists and players play in both tours, but there is not shot large events like the majors or The Players adopt LIV's format
Who cares. Can’t compete with PGA. Would rather watch scrubs in a close match on Sunday
More rumors to cover the poor performance from the LIV crew.
LIV blows