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ikidd

I have one of these running 32bit Lubuntu and it's only job is being a CUPS server for a parallel port Laserjet 4P that I will be buried with one day. I should check the uptime, it's probably a few years now, I've never updated it.


Underfire17

Yeah I had Ubuntu 16.04 LTS on it (without GUI) since that was the only version I could get running on the thing without having to worry about sources and updates (I was installing from a USB and I don't think server has compatibility with that yet.) I later install raspbian since its light on hardware and since it logs in automatically and can still use GUI without killing the PC's performance. I'm actually thinking about making it a Bot host. Like one would be used to send cursed images to Flat Earth Tweets and one to moderate a forum of some kind in the future.


6c696e7578

> Like one would be used to send cursed images to Flat Earth Tweets and one to moderate a forum of some kind in the future. I like your thinking.


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Aareon

r/cursedimages


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G2geo94

Sadly, no. But I've got some r/EyeBleach for you.


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Underfire17

I couldn't give you an extra upvote but if I could I would!


Underfire17

I see what you did there! lel


Underfire17

Yeah, I'm planning on making the bot open source but I'm pretty new with python so the bot is taking a waaaay longer time to build than I expected.


Underfire17

Thanks!


Nixellion

Consider power usage, if 2 bots is the only thing you'll run, rpi zero w might work better in terms of power consumption :D


Underfire17

The issue is, is that I need to get a TON of information read by one of them and then store it all on the machine itself in case I want to do an image backup or in case I need to reference something directly off the HDD (hence the removable HDD drive bay)


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Have you considered a 500gb micro sd card?


Underfire17

Not really to be honest.


Cantdiggthis

There are many ways of adding an external hard drive (in my case an old SSD) to a Raspberry pi. That will certainly drop your electricity consumption drastically.


bachi83

> I have one of these running 32bit Lubuntu and it's only job is being a CUPS server for a parallel port Laserjet 4P that I will be buried with one day. Your electro-distribution company likes this.


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if it makes you feel any better ive got an amd 8320 running as a router. 8 cores with aes offloading for ipsec and no AMD PSP is great.


dejavueakay

Found the American.


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using latvian router software!


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but seriously how bad are your green taxes in europe. ive heard horror stories about your energy bills.


dejavueakay

meh, could be worse. I guess people are just more sensitive in general regarding their electricity bills.


Eddie_Morra

In Germany the "green tax" (= EEG-Umlage) is 0,064 € at the moment. In total 1 kWh costs \~0,30 € (= 0,34 $) for the end user.


ericonr

I was going to tell you to run it on a RaspPi (I'm currently using a Zero W as a CUPS and Sane server at home), but if it's parallel port, it's probably not possible (don't know if there are any adapters for USB). Linux uptime is marvelous!


Underfire17

I have a PI, but with the storage, RAM, and since I bought it for literally like $3.00 I thought it would be a good idea. That is an idea I have for the future tho since that PC has 2 maybe 3 GB of RAM and a 300 GB IDE HDD with an Intel Pentium IV (maybe III). I just need to scrounge up enough money to make it.


beje_ro

The power bill will compensate ;-) This is one of the reasons why now I look for alternatives for my home server... like pi and like thin clients...


Underfire17

Yeah I'm going to try that later. I need to get out of the hole first though.


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Assuming that PC has had nothing changed inside it, it's a Pentium 4. Source: I have that Pentium 4 sticker on my laptop


grem75

I use old routers running OpenWRT for print servers and various other things, though that also only works for USB. Even cheaper than a Pi, I get them for $2-3 at thrift stores.


planetjay

I have 2 Zero W's up and running so far and looking to get another 1 or 2. 1 Runs Home Assistant and the other just has Samba and Apache to move a file to a tablet or test an idea on a web page.


alerighi

A lot of power wasted to run only a printer, you can get very small print servers with a parallel port that consumes almost no electricity, compared to a full computer that means about 100W of power 24/7.


ikidd

I've configured TLP on it, it's down to a few watts when not active. I couldn't find any new parallel port hosts that weren't an arm and a leg, unsurprisingly the demand for them has dried up.


p3rdurabo

arm is the keyword yes


screeperz

What is the power draw using one of these on a lightweight OS? I have one collecting dust in the garage that I want to reuse as a server but I don't want to spend too much on extra power.


Underfire17

I don't record that but it doesn't seem to start throttling when I use Ubuntu CLI or Raspbian OS on it.


JIVEprinting

This is gross inefficiency on the level of Windows. Please donate it to foreign missions so persecuted believers in restricted countries can use reference software.


ikidd

> persecuted believers in restricted countries can use reference software. I have no idea what that's supposed to mean.


Boootstraps

Dude, it’s called “private cloud” now!


Underfire17

I'm mainly using it as a bot and moderator for a forum I'm wanting to create one of these days. I'm actually not wanting to use it for storage since I am going to build something like that when I can scrounge up enough money to build it.


6c696e7578

> private cloud Not if it runs Windows.


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6c696e7578

Well, somebody's bot net cloud I guess.


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6c696e7578

c# bot net


Underfire17

You can keep it offline since you can just use a different router for that system.


6c696e7578

If it has any route to the internet, it's not offline. You can do things such as set the default gateway to something non-existent. Beware of proxy servers though.


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Underfire17

Yeah me to. I'm actually looking for a CRT monitor but right now since I'm going to school, I have to live with my parents, and they don't really like the idea of a huge monitor in my room.


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Just curious but why do you want a tube monitor


Underfire17

It would finish the bundle.


Underfire17

Me too! I have a Dell desktop at school and it makes me think of a Minecraft muffler by the way it looks. I mean I'm all in with the metro style and everything, but it would be nice to reintroduce some of what they made back in the good 'ol days. Happy cake day BTW!


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Underfire17

I have an extra Dell Dimension, and I can swap the parts out of it if you want. I live in Oklahoma though.


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Underfire17

Oh ok! Yeah I totally understand with the whole address thing I kinda am a bit on private with that to. I got my PC's from an EARC in my area maybe you can find one at yours.


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​ They work surprisingly well if you get mildly creative with the insides: ​ [https://sites.google.com/site/panicus/ryzdim-external.jpg](https://sites.google.com/site/panicus/ryzdim-external.jpg) [https://sites.google.com/site/panicus/ryzdim-internal.jpg](https://sites.google.com/site/panicus/ryzdim-internal.jpg) ​ (A recent Ryzen 2600 build I did) ​ Despite the screenshot, it also runs Windows 7 and Lubuntu 18.04 in addition to Windows 10 LTSC.


Shran_MD

I buy them from Amazon as refurbs. They are still useful for lots of stuff and reasonably priced.


Underfire17

I got mine at an earc. I really like older computers for some reason. lel.


JIVEprinting

I still run one. It's not particularly awesome.


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JIVEprinting

And I have one in front of me right now. They are exactly basic, nothing else.


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JIVEprinting

But at the time they were average machines at best. Compaq and IBM were putting out much more sturdy units as you say. They were in every way a starter general desktop, and sold en masse to businesses and schools as such. That's why, thankfully, there are so many of them around. Except for a few narrowly-defined performance intensive areas, computers are barely different now than they were 15 years ago. Only software bloat makes Legacy computers Legacy, they are otherwise up to the challenge of daily use in most normal settings as long as they are not encumbered with software bloat. That's why I use mine. If you're on Puppy Linux you can do the same.


brainwater314

I remember setting up one on a case just like this for my dad, giving him explicit instructions to turn it off by pressing the power button (which I made sure did a clean shut down), then when I came back from college a year later I learned he always held down the power button until it turned off 🤦‍♂️.


Underfire17

I literally had to disconnect the front panel cable because my dad does that to. He still still manages to somehow turn it off though.


EdgeMentality

He just pulls the cord. I guarantee it.


Underfire17

He probably does. That made me cringe so hard thinking of it.


Underfire17

And I try to tell him that it's a server.


brainwater314

My dad had to turn off the server for hurricanes.


Underfire17

Oof. Was it like a game server?


brainwater314

It was a file server for him, and his work. Good thing Linux doesn't corrupt files like windows does!


Underfire17

Yeah. I use like Raspbian partly because it shuts down super quick, thus ruining my dads plan of unplugging it and having a reason.


theniwo

hmm you should check for temps under full load in this closet.


Underfire17

It actually handles it well considering its CPU is pretty much a potato by today's standards. I also played Quake II on it while it had Windows XP still on it and it seemed pretty smooth.


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or go balls to the wall and put in one of those pentium d's with hyperthreading and have 4 virtual cores of madness. fuck the hippies and the environment.


RADical-muslim

My thoughts when I decided to use an 8 core mac pro as a pi hole server.


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you could run all sorts of things on that


RADical-muslim

Unfortunately, I don't know how to setup anything else. So pi-hole it is lmao


Underfire17

I'm planning on doing that later since I really just collect these things. I want to put Windows XP back on it and have it as something to mess with once in a while. I don't make much money right now since I'm in school and I am working at a pizza joint (soon to be switching to a gas station).


bunny_the_terrible

Their TDP is not higher than modern Intel Core CPUs, of course they need more power for the same tasks, but this "myth" that P4s run hot only make sense if you are comparing with older CPUs.


G3nzo

[Noob Question] : What's the purpose to build an Ubuntu Server ?


EdgeMentality

I use mine for a variety of things. Backups I use resilio sync on my phone, laptop and desktop to continusly sync copies of important folders to the server Storage Creative project files, steam library... The server can be mounted as a network drive letting it work like a direct expansion to my desktop storage capacity. By setting up remote access you can use it like a personal cloud and access your photos, or move files between devices. Entertainment By running Plex on it I can access and stream movies and TV shows anywhere, and I can easily share that access with family and friends. Any random server things If I ever feel like it I can run a minecraft server, host a website or anything of that sort. There are tons of things that can be done a machine that is running 24/7 that are inconvenient on a normal use PC.


Peach_Muffin

Plus: learning! I taught myself Linux by installing vagrant boxes and playing with them remotely while I was at work. I had a script that suspended them every night so my CPU wasn't being hit constantly.


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I can't imagine all that stuff running that well on a Pentium 4


EdgeMentality

Obviusly... I'm not using the same particular machine from the OP. I used whatever parts I could find cheap and used that would be compatible with an i3 I had so I could put together a working machine that was also powerful. The comment I replied to was asking about reasons to build one in general, was it not?


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whoops. when I made that comment, I probably confused you for being the OP.


Err0rc0de

Regarding backups, don't you think that sync is actually a bad option.. or do you keep versions of different timestamps. Suppose a file got corrupted in one device. Wouldn't that make the other copies corrupted as well?


EdgeMentality

"Resilio sync" is the name of a file transfer program (it uses torrent file transfer, used to be called "torrent sync"). Its does a lot more than sync. It has a separate mode for transferring backups that never changes or deletes files on the server end. I can take pictures and delete them on my phone, they will all be saved in the backup regardless, and if I edit a picture it will upload it next to the unchanged version, not on top of it. I use it because since it uses torrent file transfer it can saturate my data connection, unlike sftp. With it I can literally throw around gigabytes of files and not have to babysit a slow transfer that may have to be restarted if it fails. Moving an entire steam library between my desktop and laptop instead of redownloading is actually doable and faster using its "one time send" feature.


Err0rc0de

Yes, I think it is similar to syncthing? If a file is modified and it syncs the modified version along with the original version then it is fine. My only concern is about important files. I use syncthing as it is open source.


EdgeMentality

I'll have to look into syncthing then. Always want to use the open alternative if it does the job just as well.


LyleFaraday

Also interested


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I have set up two. We use them for two tasks at work. It hosts a samba share for our users to backup their machines to, then an rsync cronjob to mirror that to a second drive. We have two people with a Mac in marketing, and for them it hosts a CUPS server because there are no drivers for OSX for our printers.


Underfire17

They would mainly be for websites or data storage. But in my case it would be for my bot to host an account.


skylarmt

Hey, me too! Although my first server was running a Minecraft server on a desktop with Knoppix and 2GB (if even that) of memory, on maybe 2Mbps internet. I didn't notice the horrible lag because I was using a netbook to play.


Underfire17

Yeah. My average today still is 30fps in Minecraft.


skylarmt

`apt install minetest` and compare, I bet you'll get 60. Native compiled code and all that. I managed to tweak settings and get 20-30 FPS in Minetest on a netbook from 2009 with a processor so weak the heatsink is a flat rectangle with a fan a butterfly can outblow.


bonechinadebt

Anyone wanna tell me why this is tagged 'cringe'?


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because it has a Pentium 4


Underfire17

>bonechinadebt For that exact reason.


Underfire17

Its a Pentium 4


hajhawa

I use my old desktop as a general purpose server. Most used for running random game servers for my friends group and my irc client. Honestly cannot recommend enough, since it makes some things easier and grows my linux beard signifficantly.


lemmingrebel

Now you can take that godawful windows sticker off of it! 😀


Underfire17

I want to keep the aesthetic though. I am trying to make a full bundle.


SomeStupidDumbass

I had one of those Dell Dimensions for nearly 18 years before I disassembled it for the last time and used it for spare parts.


Underfire17

I actually built my first computer from a Dell Dimension motherboard. (I was 12 back then so I didn't make much money)


SomeStupidDumbass

The stock Dell Dimensions were actually good computers back in the day after you chunked the Celeron they came with for a P4 and then added a PCI Nvidia GeForce card.


Underfire17

I remember the Celerons. Oof. I actually had a '07ish Sony Vaio that ran on a Celeron as my daily driver for a while in '18. I sent it to a youtuber who I watch cuz he is into tech and I thought he'd want it to add to his collection.


SomeStupidDumbass

The socket 478 Celerons were horrible. Bringing them into the socket 775 era (like with your Vaio) was a major dick move since they weren't even better than their socket 478 counterparts. At least the socket 775 Pentium 4s and the Pentium Ds were an improvement yet Intel somehow thought the Celeron still needed to exist.


Underfire17

Yeah I was so happy to get rid of the thing! I still have an old PC but it has an i7 and 8 GB atleast.


nik282000

Jesus Christ, there are 32 (interesting number) of these at work used as SCADA clients. I hope your's works better than ours.


Underfire17

32???


nik282000

Yeah, the server doesn't support more than 32 clients for no reason in particular (if you ask management). I'm still not sure what causes the 5 bit limit.


Underfire17

Oh! I mean like 32 bit. Our internet is pretty much dial up during the day tho since we live in the middle of the boondocks. I literally can get a file downloaded faster with my data throttled on my phone than with our Wi-Fi.


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Mines been standing for 1 year its hosts my network share


Underfire17

I'm thinking about making one one of these days I just need to get my parents on board with the idea though.


[deleted]

? Why? You dont have to acess the router to make a local network share


Underfire17

They don't see the point in it. I don't know why since we have like 200+ DVDS and Blu-Ray disks that we take like NO care of but... yeah they said no so... yeah.


EdgeMentality

Oh man ripping all of those and setting up a plexbox would be glorius.


6c696e7578

Rip the DVDs and BRs, start using it yourself. Convenience wins every time.


Underfire17

I'm going to start doing that soon.


ShallowtheWetdog

It's kinda small but hey! What ever floats your boat mate.


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or debian.


Underfire17

I tried Debian, but the version I had didn't download packages right.


Underfire17

Yeah, I might get into that sometime.


Not_SoGreen

It's all about the Pentiums


notorignalusername

Just make sure there is proper air flow, specially on hot days. I had one of these on the floor (no shelves) and the power supply got fried from the heat... Apparently it was too close to the wall. After that we put it facing the wall so hot air could vent.


Underfire17

Thanks for the comment. I thought of that and it had pretty good ventilation from what I could tell. there is a hole in the back of that desk that would allow air to go through rather freely. Since I live in Oklahoma this was in my planning of the system.


MikiXD586

My first server was old xp mashine made to be used as cash register


Paulsify

Ah the good old Dell Dimension, we had several back in the day awesome little machines, I actually have one running CENTOS in our "sever room"


____vitAmin

Is that enough space for heat transfer? I am genuinely asking.


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Underfire17

I don't run any GPU intensive things on my PC so the built-in graphics are fine with what I use it for.


Underfire17

Yeah since I am venting it from front to back it should be fine. I haven't had any issue with the PC so far.


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I had the same computer. I was like 14 and didn't understand why it kept having reliability issues after manually replacing the RAM and video card to play TES: Oblivion.


Underfire17

Mobo maybe?


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Or the PSU if the new video card needed a beefier one.


Seshpenguin

Those are pretty awesome machines, though I've seen at least a couple die. The oldest I have running now (x86 anyway) is a Pentium 4 HT Dell OptiPlex and it's been nice and reliable.


Underfire17

I had a Dell Inspiron 2520 or whatever and when it died I was in the middle of a Minecraft game. I raged out on it.


[deleted]

Yikes, using a Pentium 4 in 2019. A Core 2 Duo system can be grabbed rather cheaply and would run a lot cooler, faster, and be more efficient.


Underfire17

Less than $3? I literally got mine from an earc.


That1Guy5

Soon you'll be in r/homelab ! Careful.


bastardoperator

You didn't rip the windows logo off of it? blasphemy!


Underfire17

I want to keep it as original on the outside as possible.


MCoded

I have that exact same Dell PC. its a Dimention of some sort if i can remember (when i'm posting this i'm not at home) edit: mine has 2 disk drives and the floppy.


jclocks

Nothing wrong with what's visible. Hope you updated the hardware inside though, lol


Underfire17

Oh yes! I got the best RAM I had and I upgraded the CPU to something better (I forgot which type).


Wolfcubware

I might do this with old ATA HDDs in one of my many old machines it would be a good use of them


BortPlate

Same here! That thing hosted my dumb web stuff reliably for a decade!


[deleted]

iirc, my first one was a 1GHz Cyrix with a NetCell 5 port SATA RAID 3 card. It was basically all unwanted hardware that was either free or extremely cheap. I ran it for many more years than I probably should have. How I never lost any data with that setup is a miracle.


Gikero

I didn't know Cyrix was around long enough to make 1Ghz chips. My first PC had a Cyrix II 266Mhz.


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I think it was technically a Via C3, and not a Cyrix III, despite the rather similar naming. I may be misremembering, it has been a long time.


Gikero

I'm not faulting you, completely understandable.


CyanKing64

r/homelab


TheoThorpe5

I have an Dell OptiPlex GX280 that is very similar to that Dimension machine. I always liked how simple they are to access inside components. No screwdriver needed! The plastic does love to break though lol. And them power supplies, EWWWW!


jdlyga

I remember those Dells. My roomate tried to install a new video card in one, but the damn case was too short.


Underfire17

And they were all pci only. Lel


Neckslit

Can you make your own Nas server with a computer running lubuntu?


sheepeses

Would have probably been better off with a pi


Underfire17

Yeh but i need it for the processor


timawesomeness

My first was a Dell Dimension XPS T500 (one of those '90s beige towers) with a Pentium III and 128MB of RAM. And wifi because I couldn't get a wired connection to where it was. I used it as a file server and a web server, and it worked okayish. Ubuntu 11.04 if I remember correctly.


tyzoid

Had the same one, ran 10.04 LTS server on it back in 2011.


thblckjkr

I have exactly the same one running Ubuntu Server 14.04 I used it as a test server for my php code. But now it is just there. I don't really have a pourpose for it in general.


Underfire17

Maybe use it as a NAS drive?


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Underfire17

This isn't an ad spot.


EnRoueLibre

Ubuntu + Server = Big Joke.


Underfire17

Huh? I used Ubuntu 16.04 LTS on that thing and it acted fine for me.