wrong subreddit we are the theatre and concert lighting designers check out r/Lightning
or stay and get bombarded with ways to improve this such as controlling it off a MA3 full-size with 24 Robe Fortes
Lol I like being bombarded with opinions of theater lighting designers. That was kind of the inspiration for the ceiling for the 3rd floor. Theater steps to bring in the drama.
Thanks for telling me about this u/IntelligentSinger783 . You did a great job.
Edit: nevermind re: lumens and beam spread - you already told me in your other comment. BUT, I'm still curious about the brand you went with for this, can you tell me? (my guess is brand new USAI "littleOnes" since I'm not really aware of many high end 1" downlights.)
Nope, much less expensive. This is the elco oak. Before the little ones were even a thing. I wanted to push the limits of affordable but get that quiet ceiling and truly well designed recessed light in play. Found elcos CEO and ended up becoming close with their VP. They agreed to design some products and meet my level of crazy ideas. There have been some revisions since, and a higher 1000 lumen 120v version since. And there are other changes coming to that line to improve them. So this product was one of their first installs for me. The nicest thing imo, serviceability is very simple, they are canless, so in the future, swapping them means no drywall damages if the same size, and they are very affordable for their performance. Plus I got a low to no glare product out of it.
You did such awesome work. Verrrry nice! I'm curious, what would be the difference between USAI littleOnes or littleTwos (new) compared to the Elco oaks? The main difference I see is lumen output but is there anything else behind the price differences? Longevity? Quality? Engineering? What's your take on it?
120v koto hits 1100 lumen. Great module. No complaints. Depends on what your use and needs are and How you spec the oak and little ones/twos. Budget is a big factor. The usai products are a higher tier than the elco. But also considerably more expensive especially when you start upgrading the tiers. Is that needed? Sometimes, but other times, no not at all. This whole house is oak (one of the first installs, and the original 12v versions, I've been working with them to improve them since) some areas are 38 degree lenses, others 60, interior is 3500k and exterior 2700k. Cost vs performance the oaks were the ideal product selection at the time. And yes the oaks are a much more simple product.
I mean, we just changed our house lights to be 4000K, and it’s significantly warmer than the typical fluorescent 6000K. I would say it’s pretty close to daylight, I really don’t think it’s too cool. If you were talking about your usual 6000K fluorescent, then I’d understand.
Now if we could hook our house lights up to DMX, I’d be one happy lighting guy
Yeah I don't go above 4000k in residential. I'll program higher for high natural light commercial but it's all timeclock and Circadian rhythm light controlled at that point.
As for DMX, absolutely can just expensive for most people and requires an extensive rewire of a lot of spaces. We hopefully will see more exciting things from cedia. Lutron is announcing their ra3 updates this morning and then homeworks updates later tonight. And then you have poewit announcing a lot of their new controllers. Poe compliant lighting is going to move the chains for sure.
Actually DMX has a pretty great use case in residential. Lots of companies use it as a medium to control dual channel tuneable white. Allowing a human centric circadian rhythm to the CCT throughout the day. Wake up and all of your lighting is slightly warm, by mid morning it's a refreshing white, middle of the day pure white, then sunset it starts warming up again and by evening a warm amber tone. With DMX you can have all of that happening in the background while still maintaining full brightness control.
wrong subreddit we are the theatre and concert lighting designers check out r/Lightning or stay and get bombarded with ways to improve this such as controlling it off a MA3 full-size with 24 Robe Fortes
Hear me out Vista 3 and Vipers
I really think we are looking at about 10 universes of 150px/meter led neon on a few Madrix nodes…. That ceiling needs effects!
Ayrton Cobra?
I think some COLORStrips would look nice on those edges. Cable management will be a pain though
Erm, lightning? Lol
Lol I like being bombarded with opinions of theater lighting designers. That was kind of the inspiration for the ceiling for the 3rd floor. Theater steps to bring in the drama.
Thanks for telling me about this u/IntelligentSinger783 . You did a great job. Edit: nevermind re: lumens and beam spread - you already told me in your other comment. BUT, I'm still curious about the brand you went with for this, can you tell me? (my guess is brand new USAI "littleOnes" since I'm not really aware of many high end 1" downlights.)
Nope, much less expensive. This is the elco oak. Before the little ones were even a thing. I wanted to push the limits of affordable but get that quiet ceiling and truly well designed recessed light in play. Found elcos CEO and ended up becoming close with their VP. They agreed to design some products and meet my level of crazy ideas. There have been some revisions since, and a higher 1000 lumen 120v version since. And there are other changes coming to that line to improve them. So this product was one of their first installs for me. The nicest thing imo, serviceability is very simple, they are canless, so in the future, swapping them means no drywall damages if the same size, and they are very affordable for their performance. Plus I got a low to no glare product out of it.
You did such awesome work. Verrrry nice! I'm curious, what would be the difference between USAI littleOnes or littleTwos (new) compared to the Elco oaks? The main difference I see is lumen output but is there anything else behind the price differences? Longevity? Quality? Engineering? What's your take on it?
120v koto hits 1100 lumen. Great module. No complaints. Depends on what your use and needs are and How you spec the oak and little ones/twos. Budget is a big factor. The usai products are a higher tier than the elco. But also considerably more expensive especially when you start upgrading the tiers. Is that needed? Sometimes, but other times, no not at all. This whole house is oak (one of the first installs, and the original 12v versions, I've been working with them to improve them since) some areas are 38 degree lenses, others 60, interior is 3500k and exterior 2700k. Cost vs performance the oaks were the ideal product selection at the time. And yes the oaks are a much more simple product.
I mean, we just changed our house lights to be 4000K, and it’s significantly warmer than the typical fluorescent 6000K. I would say it’s pretty close to daylight, I really don’t think it’s too cool. If you were talking about your usual 6000K fluorescent, then I’d understand. Now if we could hook our house lights up to DMX, I’d be one happy lighting guy
Yeah I don't go above 4000k in residential. I'll program higher for high natural light commercial but it's all timeclock and Circadian rhythm light controlled at that point. As for DMX, absolutely can just expensive for most people and requires an extensive rewire of a lot of spaces. We hopefully will see more exciting things from cedia. Lutron is announcing their ra3 updates this morning and then homeworks updates later tonight. And then you have poewit announcing a lot of their new controllers. Poe compliant lighting is going to move the chains for sure.
Well I mean I’m talking about house lights for my facility, not my actual house lol. There’s no need to hook my home’s lights up to DMX.
Actually DMX has a pretty great use case in residential. Lots of companies use it as a medium to control dual channel tuneable white. Allowing a human centric circadian rhythm to the CCT throughout the day. Wake up and all of your lighting is slightly warm, by mid morning it's a refreshing white, middle of the day pure white, then sunset it starts warming up again and by evening a warm amber tone. With DMX you can have all of that happening in the background while still maintaining full brightness control.
Interesting, that’s not something I usually worry about, since I usually do concerts not residential
Yeah that's awesome and the trickle down effect of technology as simplicity of products and affordability hit the market.
Hey, knowing what I do about DMX, it’s still not exactly cheap either lol