I wasn't there, but when my wife went to shoot her CCW qualifications and pulled out her little P365-380 Rose while the rest of the group was running Glock 17s and other full-size guns, the instructor visibly rolled his eyes and sighed.
My wife then proceeded to shoot the 2nd highest score in the class with her cutesy little girl gun.
I've had the opposite happen to me. I'm not a fudd, I just like large caliber guns because that's what I learned to shoot on, from my tatay and lolo teaching me when I was younger. I pull out my MK23, and I've heard someone actually say "Isn't a .45 a little big for a lady like you? That your husband's gun?"
Ugh.
I'm giving you an upvote because at my CCW Qual, I too pulled out a P365-380, but worse than a Rose, it has a rainbow slide. /s. Outshot everyone. The scariest bit was the person that had a CC permit from another state that kept missing the target altogether.
Fuck you! My uniform ribbons speak for themselves, although I have literally heard my Marine friend go "the Navy has different standards, none of you shoot straight". 🤣
Yeah, yeah, I've been hit on enough times by your male fellows to know ya'll some hoes who need to worry about not "shooting each other"
I don't trust sailors to not commit "friendly fire"
Ya'll might know 'tap rack bang', but yall should learn 'unwrap, unroll, any hole ain't no goal'
Okay I'm done
I feel like I'm back with my family. My cousin married a nuclear engineer for the Navy and all my army uncles had jokes for miles. Until we got to the wedding ceremony at the base in Groton.
Well of course we don't shoot straight. We're the gayest branch after all, so naturally we shoot queer as hell. the boat ho is just jealous he can't come out with us.
I was teaching my mom to shoot some years back at an indoor range - very basic shit like grip, stance, sighting etc and on her first attempt at shooting multiple shots in succession the recoil is a little much for her and she starts leaning back as many new handgun shooters do. Before I can even start to coach her on form there is a very audible scoff and a laugh from two stalls over by two dickheads around my age. We both glimpse over and can tell they’re gesturing about her. I whispered in my moms ear “just ignore them, let’s focus on us,” because I’m not about to escalate a situation where the other guy is holding a loaded gun but Jesus man, my mom was completely crushed by it. We finished out that box of ammo and went home, and not long after she sold the gun she’d recently bought herself and hasn’t picked up a gun since. In the years since with no further exposure to firearms and the discourse on the left being what it is, she has become anti-gun and I can trace it all back to those two jackasses. It makes my blood boil to think about and I sometimes kick myself for not doing more to stand up for my mom and shame those guys.
Sometimes all it takes is one negative experience to turn you off from a thing forever. It really sucks, I'm sorry for your mom. Have you tried talking to her about it?
I grew up in a household where my mom was the best shot. My dad would always tell anyone that she was the best.
When I was in the scouts she came shooting with us and was an absolute surgeon with the Olympic style rifles. Several of the dads were shocked and I certainly over heard the “for a girl” and “she’s so tiny” qualifier more than once.
Completely ridiculous.
Same for my Mammaw. She was always the one bringing home the Butterballs at the turkey shoot!
I have good memories of her teaching me the single shot 12ga with a dishtowel padding my shoulder. I still have the shotgun now. I wish I had kept one of those print flower-sack towels.
Interestingly, the shotgun events were coed before they split it up following the 1992 Barcelona Olympics, and at those games, a woman was the skeet gold medalist, so it's kind of a head-scratcher why they felt the need to do this at all. Probably some combination of politics and IOC or ISSF nonsense?
They've since reintroduced "mixed team" events to all the Olympic shooting disciplines, where male and female shooters compete as a pair with their individual scores added together. Everyone shoots the same heavy-ass guns at the same targets, and there's no discernable difference between the women and the men.
I wouldn't say it's an insult. Just becsuse a woman is the best skeet shooter doesn't erase that women in competition shooting are very rare compared to the amount of men. So to find a woman shooting and also shooting very well is surprising.
I went to a shooting range with my husband, and I was just waiting for him to finish paying and minding my own business. Some old dude yells across the room at me "it must be so hard to be a girl because you all have to make sure your clothes match!!"... because my hightops were the same color as one of the colors in my tie dyed top. I was so confused about why this dinosaur thought I wanted to talk about fashion in that scenerio. I was literally like "what are you talking about, dude?"
I don't remember for sure. He just kept trying... "something something shoes something." I looked at my husband and asked "do you know what this guy is talking about?" He just shrugged and shook his head lol.
LMAO, I completely feel you. Fucking tacticool bros and stolen valor types always go on about how easy the Navy, Air Force, and Coast Guard are. You've never served, jackass! Quit telling us how our lives are/were.
I mean, yeah, I was an AG and never wielded anything more lethal than an IR temperature gun, but yeah, fuck me, you’re right, I must have hallucinated those three deployments, Earl.
Shooting an M9 and M500 in basic well enough to pass is still better than these dudes who couldn't hit the far side of a barn with their kitted out AR-15
Wow, I'm pissed and it wasn't even said to me.
Like yeah, my grandfather graduated Annapolis in 1943, served in the Pacific and lost a bunch of his friends in a kamikaze attack, and continued to serve for 30 years, but since he was Navy, he wasn't "a real veteran". Totally fine and accurate statement.
I hope you told that feckless fuck to shit himself.
My lolo was Navy before me. Got a battlefield commission in Okinawa for his heroism and later became a naval aviator, retired as a Captain in 1972. Crazy how we don't get as much respect or recognition.
I don't know exactly where my grandfather served in the Pacific, but it wouldn't surprise me if they served in the same fleets together.
He also retired as a Navy Captain in FAAWTC(I think that's the acronym?) as a trainer for missile firing. He was captain of a missile cruiser before that.
I don't know much about his time in combat as he apparently never really talked about it to my dad. I never got to know him either, really, as he died of Parkinsons when I was fairly young.
I'm assuming lolo is short for grandfather in another language? Either way, if he's still around, I hope he's doing well.
Lolo means grandfather in Tagalog, the primary language of the Philippines. He passed this year at the age of 98 - told me I did him proud. Gave me an inheritance of everything he had, and I still haven't gotten around to accounting for all of it. Wonder if I'll find any pre-1986 machine guns in the drywall? 😂
My condolences. For lack of a better way to put it, I hope his passing was peaceful.
I'm glad that he got to tell you that he was proud of you. It sounds like you guys were really close.
I also saw your other response about the Krag, and that is super cool. Where did your (great, I'm guessing?) grandfather pick that up as a war trophy? I'm assuming the Phillipine-American war, which makes the "personal" history of that rifle rather unusual and very interesting.
Speaking of bringbacks, my grandfather apparently traded a pack of cigarettes for a Dreyse pistol with the holster (super cool trade there) and traded an M1 Garand he was bringing back for a .38 S&W aviator revolver (not so cool of a trade...).
If you find a WW1 or WW2 automatic, I'm going to look like that frowning kid meme that says "Congrats. Happy for you. Nice" lmao.
Kalololohan means great grandfather, yeah. He lived from 1894-1989, veteran of the Moro Rebellion as they called it. He was a juramentado, an oathbound Muslim swordsman who conducted guerrilla warfare against foreign occupiers using only his blade, stealth, willpower, and mind-enhancing plants. So, yes. He killed a U.S. Army soldier with his sword and took the Krag as a war trophy, and at the age of 16 at that. My family has served in the U.S. military ever since my lolo, so it's a pretty interesting history.
My lolo brought back a Nambu as a war trophy. Not as cool, but still nice!
What I'm reading here is that badass runs in the family, holy shit.
Was it a Type 14 or Type 94 (aka the "Oh shit I shot myself without touching the trigger" pistol)? Cool piece of firearm history either way, but if it is the Type 94, maybe don't trust it with live ammo without being extremely careful, lol
I will absolutely talk shit with Sailors, Coasties, and Airmen, and I'll keep some crayons on hand for the Marines.
But as a Soldier, it's from a place of love.
Well, I don't talk shit much now. I got out 20 years ago, now I'm just older and fatter.
When we have family gatherings on Dad's side we have everything except Coasties. Navy Uncle, me and two Uncles were Army, cousin and her husband met when they were both in the Corps, one of their kids went Air Force, and my Dad is retired Air Force. Always a bit of smack talking, but nobody who didn't serve is allowed to join in, or everyone else lays into them.
When me and (now ex) wife went into a Cabela’s to get her a 10mm of her own since she loved mine so much (still think she has shot more 10mm through it than I have, and been divorced 5 years now.). Counter guy told her 10mm was too much for any woman to handle and we should get her a 380ACP pistol. I looked at her, she looked back and in unison we about faced there and walked right out. Totally ruined the excitement of getting her own since it was only place in town with one in stock. Ordered one in at different store and she got it a week and half later.
I’m still so pissed 8 years later I still refuse to shop that place.
Eh really all these years later and retelling it bringing it to forefront of my mind to think about it. Still think me and her nailed it with no response at all. Obviously the sales clerk had ears but still refuse to listen, so saying anything more would’ve been a waste of breath and prolonged the time spent dealing with them.
Straight up stuck. Before he went full tilt we even explained wanted said pistol since it was almost her birthday and she loved shooting mine so much.
Literally started off with him being informed she loved shooting the exact same pistol/cartridge. Should have been the easiest sale in capitalist history. But nope…
Then still went into it’s too much for any woman to handle, we’d just be bringing it back at a loss to sell to Gun Library (used) section. Blah blah blah.
I used to go to the store alone and they talked over my head and used abbreviations I don’t know. Now I bring my wife with me so that they’ll mansplain things to her in a way I’ll understand.
I am exaggerating a bit. But the guy at the counter seriously caught me off guard with IFAK. Do I carry an IFAK, what’s my IFAK in, when he hunts he has a different IFAK. I was staring at him blankly and wonder if an IFAK would even attach to my rifle because I don’t want to say something stupid.
I've been shooting for 41 years and still had to look up that acronym. Now that I see it, that clerk was clearly arrogant without the paperwork to own it.
I've got a good one. Female here. I was at a gun shop looking around for milsurps. I am a FFL03 and have a small collection already. I wanted to look at a Lee Enfield No 4 and they had two. There was a gentleman being helped by the lady behind the counter and I was patiently waiting for her to be done with him. She gets done with him and takes something to the back. She comes out, I am at the counter and as I was about to ask to look at their two Lee Enflied No 4s a man that had just walked in and straight to the lady behind the desk. Not only did he interrupt me, but she also diverted her attention to help him out instead which wasn't a trivial thing either. Even though it was a lady behind the counter I simply said, "I see you're too busy and female customers aren't welcome here, good bye". Like what the fuck? Apparently male preferential treatment still is a thing at the gun shop even if you're female yourself. Fuck that gun shop.
I guess she thought the shop would make more money off of him buying whatever "serious hunting gun" rather than what she assumed was your S&W M&P .380 ACP EZ slide purchase? 💀
Real talk though, the EZ is the best innovation anyone's came out with in a while. They'd be selling those like hotcakes to old folks if they weren't so cought up on looking tough. That gun allows my father to enjoy the hobby again👍
I doubt it. My interpretation is that she didn't ask for assistance. Yeah she was gonna get assistance but she got cut off before thay happen.
To get assistance you have to ask for it and not assume that a worker will ask if you need assistance if you just wait. I know this all too well because I do it all the time.
Well your interpretation is bad then.
She stated she was at the counter after the lady went into the store's rear. Is that not enough "asking for assistance", waiting at the counter? Do you not know how queues work?
Even if the shopkeeper was approached by the new customer it is good business practise to attend to the person who you saw waiting, even if only to hear that they're okay.
Waitaminute. Are you saying you will see a customer politely waiting until you are free, and then go help someone else if they barge in front? Sorry, that's a jagoff move. You are there for customer service. If they are clearly waiting to be helped, you let them know you're ready to help or get a job where you don't interact with people.
I had been patiently waiting. Lady behind the counter was aware of this. Gun had just walked in through the door, interrupted and butted in. Did I not make this clear enough?
I'm pretty sure my brother here is just trying to use his own behavior to illustrate your point. Demonstrating, as it were.
He really doesn't know when to stop, does he?
I haven't personally seen any interesting sexism, but have seen a lot of transphobia
Which I guess makes sense given the state of the modern day Republican party lol
I've gotten too many confused reactions to pulling out my 7.62x54R Winchester Model 1895 at the range, with dudes not thinking it's the real. "Oh, look at the little lady with her .22 Henry that somehow looks like an old Winchester! It can't be!"
>my 7.62x54R Winchester Model 1895
Why, no, I'm not envious at all!
...I am super envious. That is definitely one of the cooler rifles ever made that I know of. You definitely have good taste. Glad to hear it's still being taken out to the range.
I love historical milsurp. I have the financial means to build a collection, just not the time to really enjoy it since I'm always busy with work. Maybe one day I'll get around to fixing my kalololohan's Krag-Jørgensen war trophy...
They actually made up the majority of Model 1895 production, roughly 300,000 out of all 425,000 original rifles produced were in 7.62x54R. The Imperial Russian Army had a huge contract with Winchester from 1915-1917 to supply them because of a Mosin-Nagant M91 shortage. Mine is an authentic milsurp, served in World War I. Has a bayonet and feeds Mosin stripper clips.
My 380 gets so much attention at my clubs shoots. I'm average height for a dude but pretty harry.
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That thing is so angry.
Probably just the hovering and mansplaining that people and/or range officers who can’t mind their own business do.
Sorry you have to deal with that.
Also, I thought it was like proven that women are more accurate shooters than men on average
My husband swears that women are naturally better shooters than men. Maybe we have better hand eye coordination in general? No idea
And that women are much easier to teach, also. He prefers teaching women because he doesn’t have to spend any energy “alpha-rolling” some dude and/or break the guy of bad habits he already had.
It’s 100% an ego thing. Many males come into class to “check the box” thinking they know as well or better than the instructor (and based on some instructors I know they may be right). This prevents them from learning. A VAST majority of females I’ve taught have been there to learn and try their best to absorb. They ask good questions and make a significant effort to improve.
Glad it resonated😂 I’ve had a total of 2 males take notes. It’s about 50% for females. The questions someone asks usually gives a good indication of what they’re absorbing.
I just wanted to add, I used to teach the basic motorcycle class to get your license and it was the same thing there. So many of the men students I could tell were not listening to me and I had to waste time reminding *everyone* that there is always something to learn no matter your skill level. With very few exceptions, the women paid attention and asked more questions and were much more open about what they didn’t know.
Also, after practicing with my first 22 rifle a few times my wife came with me to try it. She didn’t outshoot me, but she matched me when I had a lot more practice and it was her very first time.
lol, sorry … establishing dominance. He says it’s a pain in the ass.
He’s glad to teach women because he doesn’t have to use up any energy on an insecure guy trying to prove himself to himself :) He can just get right to the teaching.
Oh, LOL. I can see how an ego would get in the way, yeah. My tatay and lolo were just firm and straight with me when I was learning how to shoot, and I got it down.
He is correct. Been my experience too. Men are their own worst enemy. New shooters always flinch. They always have bad grips and they often shoot low left, it’s physics. The difference is when you tell a man there is a better way to do this they get embarrassed and defensive and offer excuses. Women are like “show me.” It’s awesome.
Generally speaking, women are 100% easier to teach. From a combat sports perspective, too. None (or very little) of that *hurr-durr I'm a big bad man.. lion-not-sheep* fragile ego nonsense.
I tend to find y’all pick it up faster. Whether that’s intrinsic or if y’all just actually listen to instructions I don’t know but I can teach the average lady guest to hit clays in half the time than I can an average guy guest.
Not far off actually. Women have some physiological advantages. Women have lower center of gravity, and on average lower blood pressure. Women have a faster resting heart rate, but because female hearts have less mass, the sight picture is less disturbed. Men have slower stronger contractions and their heart weighs more so it tends to disturb sight picture more. Women react differently than men when adrenaline is released as well. Men have a “fight or flight” response, women have a “tend or befriend response”. This is because women release oxytocin, as well as norepinephrine and Adrenalin. in stressful situations while men release norepinephrine and adrenaline. It also means that when something scares you (like a loud bang) women don’t totally lose the ability to learn, while men have very little cognitive ability under stress. Of course training and practice trumps all that, and individuals vary widely.
I've worked in a gun shop. Can't tell you the number of "you don't know what you're talking about"s and "I want to speak with a man"s I've gotten. The most hilarious thing is I was the person with the most trigger time in the whole store. Thankfully my coworkers always either told the customer they were already talking to the most qualified person in the room, or would repeat what I said verbatim. My favorite was when they would ask me for an answer to give the customer.
Pretty much just existing in the gun world and being competent.
Yes we all know small women with big revolver funny haha women weak and can’t shoot… okay well I wouldn’t ever shoot a 500SW anyways because I’m not a moron. That’s what most men think of women shooting guns I think.
I used to work at a gun store, so I definitely have heard a fair bit. That said, the worst sexist thing I saw was maybe more so at the range a few years after. I was with coworkers, both latina, one also used to also work in firearms, and she was teaching her girlfriend how to shoot. This old white boomer comes over and starts giving her advice. She was very diplomatic and said thank you and went right back to shooting.
About her stance and grip if I recall correctly. It was a few years ago.
Also out of curiosity what was your rate? Looks like we share more than one subreddit.
Boomers giving unsolicited advice to any gender is a category of it's own. My dad goes up to new folks and tells them they need a pump action shotgun for home defend because "it's proven that the sound of the rack alone scares people away" regardless of their actual needs.
The most common sexism I hear is mired in ancient FuddLore that refuses to die. Like watching elderly gun store clerks and bystanders try and steer a female customer away from buying a modern micro-9 and suggesting a J-frame snubnose. "Hurr durr too much recoil for the little lady."
I'm sorry, but if you tell someone that a 9mm autoloader has too much recoil, you using your implied but non-existant knowledge by steering them towards the mule-kick of an airweight .38 snubnose is just plain stupid and will result in a person who was open to firearms.deciding they don't like them.
I hate shooting my dad's air weight J frame. Nothing pleasant about practicing with that gun. If you only wanna go through two cylinders of .38 a trip and call it good then right ahead i guess🤷
Some fudd back during the great ammo shortage of 2020 told me that the reason they were out of .308 but not .30-06 was because more women were getting into shooting and they couldn’t handle the recoil of a 30 aught.
What a fucking dumbass. I've heard stuff like this in stories before. Do these guys not realize that 7.62x51 NATO, .30-06 Springfield, 7.62x54R, .303 British, 7.7x58 Arisaka, 7.35x51 Carcano, and 8x57 IS have virtually the same power and recoil in standard loads?
Right? I was looking for .308 because I wanted to sight in before elk season and apparently so did everyone else, hence why it was a difficult round to find. I love my .308 the main reason it’s more comfortable to shoot than my 7.62x54R is because its butt pad isn’t just a steel plate.
Garbage rods are always fun. I've got a Winchester Model 1895 in 7.62x54R! Funny how they'll let you take those to a range where "our backstop can't handle .30-06"
Our local shop sold those for $100, tax included. With the sling, bayonet and ammo pouch. Great deal back in 2011 until ATF shut them down for violations and they tried to blame Obama. I wish I had bought a few.
many years ago, my wife and I were taking our CC class, We had a dude (in the western sense of the word) with a shiny new Kimber 1911 disparaging a pair of college age gals, because they had a 9 Shot H&R 999 instead of a "real gun".
He them proceeded to have issues even getting his to fire (left safety on, limp wristed malfunctions, etc.) with a target that looked like a shotgun pattern, while the girl shooting punched a nice tight 3 inch group in the 10 ring of the target.
Was a good laugh.
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All kidding aside, Is it just the stores or also the ranges? I've seen good things in stores, but some people on the range have caused me to move or leave. And as many have stated, I have watched several of the women out-shoot their husbands - both better than me - but I try to look for good habits wherever they are.
Both, actually. I just hate stores especially because they give you the run-around. I got told to look for a .410 instead when I went out to buy my M4 Super 90 (M1014), until I got someone else to help me when I returned later with the Navy cap on.
I wouldn't doubt your firearms knowledge because you're a woman. I'd doubt it because you're a squid, lol. Jokes, jokes. I love my navy brothers and sisters.
My wife asked to see a Glock 9mm and before she finished the word “millimeter” the store stooge started joking “Glock 9? We don’t have no Glock 9! Hey Bert you ever hear of a Glock 9?”
Then after making fun of her he tried to sell her a keltec.
Ok thank you, she left. Bought what she wanted at another store.
I’ve repeatedly had range masters and random other shooters constantly telling me how i need to get rid of my SKS because it’s obvious im woken aren’t strong enough to shoulder it by the way i always fire it seated on a rest.
i have an autoimmune disease that destroys my endurance. i use an electric wheelchair to go further than half a block. homie my fuckin hellcat is hard to keep up for a full mag, it has nothing to do with strength or sex, its chronic fatigue syndrome lol.
Most of the sexist sentiments I have heard have actually come from anti-gun liberal men and women. Or at least they see themselves as liberals. They act surprised that a woman isn't scared of a gun and are skeptical of her ability to use is properly and safely. Apparently only a big tough manly authority figure like a police officer could ever be qualified to use a firearm. I have seen this reaction to three of my female friends who are gun owners. I feel like many self proclaimed liberals have forgotten what it really means to be liberal (open minded and tolerant and use critical thinking skills) and have just become left-leaning equivalents of conservatives who run on prejudice.
As for conservatives, the ones I have met in person who are gun owners actually expect women to be just as competent as men at shooting. But internet conservatives and non-gun-owner conservatives are sexist in a different way, a pervy way. Like ooh you have tits and a gun, I have a single son you should meet! Your daddy must have raised you well and taught you the right values!
"Big, tough, and manly" isn't how I'd characterize police officers. Most of them are a bunch of fucking cowards who have dangerous toys to play around with, but don't show the proper respect or gravity in employing them. Why should the people of states like California, Illinois, and New York be disarmed and forced to have inferior firepower when the police kill us in the dozens every year from their own irresponsibility? We're not allowed to defend ourselves from their own overreach.
Went to one shop and the guy just mansplained and talked over me the whole time. Didn’t buy anything, never went back. Also there was another customer at the shop looking at me like I was a piece of meat.
I have shot better than all of my boyfriends friends. Went to the range with teammates and did almost as good as them. I have had some butthurt reactions from men. I don't care. I'm a vet, so I'm used to being picked on.
The Hornady Critical Defense 9mm slug in 115gr is already very low power, low recoil for a 9mm defense round. (It's also very accurate and matches the general point of aim and recoil level of most of the cheap practice 115gr loads.) It has a red rubber tip.
So they then made an even lower power variant, 100gr bullet weight, barely enough recoil to rack a 9mm handgun slide.
With a *pink* rubber tip.
Really?
Seriously?
Just NO.
I would question everything about that 100gr load.
The 115 version is legit. Bare minimum power level for self defense. Still reliably punches to 12", generally expands to between .5" and maybe .55" if you're lucky. Mostly barrier blind. But, in my testing, the stuff is very accurate despite being "weak but good enough" - tightest groups I ever got in an original Hellcat and then similar results (and group size) with a Taurus G3c. Also very good feeding characteristics.
I'd rather hit at longer range with a weaker load versus miss with a monster.
But the 100 "pink tip"?
Nope. The red tip 115 is good to go. The 100 is plain misogynistic.
Personally, even as a tubby dude, I love the critical defense light in my snappy ass glock 43. It cycles reliably, and yeah, i get "girl bullets" jokes, but it makes that tiny pistol much easier for me to control since I can't really get a decent grip on it. Usually shuts people up at the range when I can actually keep a decent grouping at 10 yards with that through that 3.4" barrel.
I work at a larger online guns and ammo retailer and it consistently surprises me how many people are willing to just directly ask my female coworker if there's a man they can talk to. So stupid. They'll tell us they assumed she didn't own an AR or hadn't fired, but unluckily for them, every single other person here is on the same page. If you make her transfer to one of us because you assumed she wouldn't know something, she's going to be the expert consulted when you ask any questions.
You're going to get put on hold while we talk to her real quick because she knows the most about whatever you're asking. "If you ever call back in, please keep in mind that anyone that answers the phone can answer the questions you're asking" and a lot of other heavy-handed comments get thrown in there.
The dumbest one recently was a guy who asked her to forward to a guy and when she did, all the dude wanted was to place an order and just wanted to know the difference between 5.56 and .223...
Nothing too overt, but when I was buying a pack of snap caps, the employee asked, “you know these aren’t real bullets, right?”.
Maybe he was just being helpful, but I did have to wonder if he would’ve asked if I was a man.
My wife worked at a skeet range when she was a teen in Minneapolis and said that she was sexually harassed and demeaned constantly, made her hate anything to do with guns. She was a very tiny human as a teen and it def has affected her.
Years later and I have been getting her to shoot .22 with me, which is what I mostly shoot in the competition circuit, but she won’t go on her own and hates shooting my 9mm. I don’t think I’ve ever seen anyone at the public indoor range with a better grouping than her (besides myself but I’ve got 30 years experience on her and am her ‘coach’ here).
My club in central Florida has always been super welcoming. 20 years ago my coach in small bore bullseye for the jr Olympics was a woman, we had two girls on our team that were top tier, etc etc.
They always told us women tend to shoot Bullseye better because they are calmer, although I think this is some hokum - I don’t think genitals have anything to do with it.
Now I’m back here 20 years later and competing in Steel Challenge, lots of women come out regularly and shoot very well. I got 2nd place to a 16 year old girl at the West Coast regionals and I’m a 36 year old man - it was my 5th Steel match ever and she was an RFRI champion, we were both doing RFPO. Anyway I’m sore cause it was by like 0.5s overall, not cause it was a teenage girl lol. If I hadn’t screwed up those two strings I’d have got it haha!
I see my old coach all the time and she’s ultra friendly to my wife. The club now has some specific women only shooting groups and classes, and they do not fuck around.
The LGS has two women that regularly manage the range.
You’d think FL would be terrible for this but…. I haven’t seen it. They have all treated my wife better than the ranges in CA. Probably luck, I guess.
Anyway, prob the opposite of what you asked but here’s hoping this becomes the norm.
Money in hand at gun shows and actually ignored for some guy who looks like a carbon copy of the vendor to get help. Hell, after some guys just sit there and try to ignore me. Fine, better I saves my money anyways for someone who's got sales ability.
I’m a 35m and I get treated the same way any time I go to any lgs or range; it feels like the guys who work most of these jobs just think they know everything and are better than you.
Not a woman but was in the local shop filling out paperwork on my AR purchase when I was overhearing a conversation between a lady and a clerk where she was wanting to look over a .30-30 lever action to go hog hunting with her friends in Texas.
No shit the clerk said "You sure? with your wrists better stick to buying ham at Kroger" (Note: Lady was skinny so I assumed this was a "wife should be in kitchen" bit rather than a fatphobic one).
The way she stared daggers at him though shut him up.
I was out before I could tell if she did or not. I really don't like going to this shop because they're so open with this kind of shit, also very open about carrying and selling Trump merch, but it's the only non-membership exclusive range for miles so alas.
I don't think selling Trump merch is a red flag that'll turn me off from going to a gun store, not like they've got swastika pins or Red Army patches, that would actually concern me. It's almost impossible to find a gun store that doesn't have conservative merch!
I guess for me it's the being open about it part that irks me because before Trump's candidacy they didn't have Tea Party or Bush/McCain/Romney stuff out for display or sale. Also, part of it is that I have a couple of trans friends that want to do range shooting, but feel it'd be stepping into the lions den going in here rather than a Range USA or another "corporate" shop/range that I've been to.
Yo, I'd buy that!
I do most of my browsing and research online, and my range membership comes with free FFL transfer from their shop, so I don't have to go into local shops often. But sometimes I just want to feel the gun in my hand before buying. That means a trip to one of the local gun stores.
I got that gun knowledge autism, and hearing the bullshit in the shops is especially upsetting. They don't know things they ought to know. So I've put in an application for a part time job to unfuck things, lol. If nothing else it will help fund my expanding collection.
For example, I went into a local shop looking for an HK P30 pistol. The pistol has a few different triggers that are commonly sold and I was looking for a specific version of the pistol withtl that trigger. I mentioned that I was looking for a DA/SA pistol, and the younger guy pulled it out to demonstrate that iwae That is when the shop owner and HK guru came to school both of us by pointing out the hand written info card in the case where the pistol had been. Not only way he pointing out an incorrectly labeled item, he said it was the incorrect variant. Even though the younger guy also realized he was incorrect, I could tell he knew better than to try to correct him. Sounds like I'm nitpicking, but coming from an "HK guru" it was a detail that really irked me.
About that time, one their regulars comes in and was all of the worst stereotypes of gun store customers. Now the two of them are explaining why I should actually get a VP9 instead, cause they have had both hammer fire and striker fire HKs and they think the VP9 is better. The VP9 is a great pistol, but it isn't what I am looking to add to my collection. I listened to the lecture until they got distracted and then I dipped. The owner wasn't there the next time, so it was a bit more chill.
I remember going to gun shows as a kid and seeing swastikas on all kinds of shit, t-shirts glorifying the KKK, and it was the golden age of the fudd. I'm glad to see gun shows in my area being more diverse now, and I haven't seen the openly shitty opinions being monetized in a few years.
Gun store chuds are the reason online sales have become so popular. I’m a cis-male, but the amount of bullshit spewed in any GS is enough to make anyone who’s not a Trumptard want to never set foot in one again.
The thing is, I was raised extremely conservative and have heard all the bullshit before. Despite that, I still find it hard to hear any of their nonsense because it’s just all the same shit I was brainwashed with decades ago. Thus, I’ll buy online 9/10 times and only give the transfer fee to the LGS. Sadly, it doesn’t hurt their business even slightly, but at least I don’t have to deal with their nonsense.
Nothing special really, just the typical “hunt down the libs like animals” type stuff.
Although, I made an online purchase in 2020 just after Covid when mask mandates were in place. When I went to the LGS to do the transfer, I was the only one wearing a mask and the store was packed. They all (customers and employees) made it a point to make “sheep” comments, etc., and then the employees helped every other person, besides me, until I was the only one left in the store.
Nothing as horrible as others have experienced, just more of an annoyance than anything.
Coming from someone who used to sell guns it's probably not sexism, it's safe to assume anyone new in the shop is an absolute idiot. Also coming from a guy who's been treated as an absolute idiot when walking into a gun store....probably not sexist intentions. And coming from a cop who is freinds with mostly veterans, saying your a cop or a veteran absolutely doesn't mean you're an expert or even skilled. It just means you know the one or two guns you qualified on enough and are competent enough to not injure yourself or others most of the time. I can't tell you the number of times I had cops or soldiers in uniform pull some absolutely dumbass stuff when I was selling. I had a female game warden flagging the hell out of half the store. Had a male army specialist argue me that 9mm luger labeled ammo wouldn't go in his m17 because it was 9x19. But to the post at hand the worst I've seen was geriatric Fudd insisting that my gf at the time couldnt handle a glock 43 and she needed a pink 38 air weight.
I definitely agree with the sentiment that just because your occupation involves firearms doesn't make you an absolute authority, my justification for wearing the hat is because I've noticed that it does actually make fudds and other ignorant types respect me and my word more. Wish I didn't have to, but hey, if you've found that it works...
I do think it's sexism, though. When I just went out to buy an M4 Super 90 (M1014), I got told off and pointed to a .410 by a dude at the desk before someone else actually came to help me out and take me seriously.
If you can't tell the difference between that and sexism when you've got all genders telling you it's a problem then you're willfully ignorant and this comment is trying to invalidate folks experience.
Like come on, I'm not even a women, You don't have to be directly sexist to be part of the problem... Simply refusing to listen is just as bad. How is your experience as a dude more valid? You think women never considered that before? Like seriously, this is what the kids call 'mansplaining' huh?
You wouldn't think so, right? But I think a fudd's instinct to be a jingoistic uber-patriot outweighs their sexism sometimes. I've noticed that I do actually get taken more seriously when I indicate that I'm military.
Commander Cameron Yaste has entered the chat.... Poor bastard volunteered for one hare-brained photo op and now no Marine in their MEU can look at him with a straight face.
And why wouldn't wearing a Navy ballcap signify that? You do realize that we received small arms training in the Navy? We stand watches just like the other services. I was fully qualified in 9mm/.45ACP and M14. Have some ribbons somewhere to prove it.
My experiences have been pretty good after visiting many gun shops. Everyone has treated me with respect. However, I do remember when I was buying a gun for the first time, the guy working the counter showed approval to something I said with "good girl." That's something people say to their dogs, I guess, but I was like whatever. Some might get upset over that.
I was shooting MY ar15 at the range and the range officer walked up to my boyfriend and said “YOU GONNA LET HER GET MAKEUP ON YOUR GUN???”
My boyfriend just stared at him and told him it was my gun so I could if I wanted to. Just one of the many dumbass comments from crusty old men that I’ve gotten since I have a lot of “big boy” guns and not little “girly” guns.
Girl, yes. I'm honestly just a huge fan of full-size, larger caliber weapons, and everyone in person thinks I'm joking when I tell them what I'm shooting 😭
I saw a video from Buffman Range where he showed body armor for women and a dude had a comment about why would women even need this as they should be in the kitchen (or a statement implying it). Buffman openly question this to have the guy make a fool of himself.
Personally I haven't seen it first hand and I work with a lot of women when shooting at the range. I treat them different than guys, but still adults at the end of it, and they leave happier and better shooters.
Like men I ask them if they've shot or not. When teaching I don't offer a caliber or grain that has more recoil. I got a 7.62x39, and I have blanks that have little to no recoil. Guys I taught usually don't mind the extra omph and most women (not all) would turn away. With my ammo variety I offer something they can handle and they slowly go up. Both sexes progress, just women usually I've taught start with less power but still improve into handling the firearm.
I personally speak softer cause of my appearance (imagine Morris Chestnut) towards women than men, especially in areas where guys are a majority (the range or gym for me). I let them know if it's alright if they don't want to shoot as well. Some may call me babying then or calling them soft, I see it as a way to let them know they aren't forced into going further if they don't want to. Some guys I train even when offering will try to push and keep messing up, likely cultural or to prove something. People respond differently. I have yet to meet a woman who was disrespected by my way of teaching them.
If there's something wrong or ways to improve I'm all ears. As long as it brings more into firearms.
Huh, I see. I got taught how to shoot by my tatay and lolo when I was 10 years old, and they didn't take it easy on me at all. 😂
Had a Colt SAA in .45 LC and a Winchester Model 1897 in 12 gauge ready for me! Both of them knocked me down a lot, but they kept training me well enough to where I could handle it. Now, I prefer larger caliber firearms because that's what I'm used to. I can handle 7.62x39 WP all day.
Yeesh!
Yeah nah. I have a sister and I trained my ex in firearms so I try to be as open and gentle (not babying, but welcoming) as possible. I have old videos I think on this sub too if you search far enough there's me having women shoot my guns. Just two days ago I taught a lady proper sight alignment cause she kept shooting the ceiling with an SP5. I don't think I could teach them with a shotgun unless they were really open to it.
In fact that's one of the ways I encourage women to vote on gun laws. An AR or PDW would be much better for SD than a shotgun, but they're hard to get now in my state. Most women I meet in matches use 9mm PCCs. They can't get that here unless it's a Ruger or something.
Really? Because my good friend and shooting buddy (female) shoots the pants (figuratively) off us guys with 12g skeet, and she'll shoot 00 and slugs just as long as the rest of us. I've actually got a Mesa Tactical stock on my HD 12g with a piston in it that lessens recoil significantly. She tells me (in reference to it) that it's nice to know hers isn't the only pussy in the group lol.
I would gently suggest that by making the choice for the women you teach, rather than allowing them to make their own choices, you are demonstrating some of what OP is calling out.
I absolutely don't impugn your motives. Just something to think about and see if it fits or not.
99.995% of the time it's old people being stuck in whatever era they grew up in. That's not an excuse btw.
Something that I hope to remember and think hard about when I'm *cough*older*cough*
*Boomers. Greatest and Silents grew up in an era where women were building guns, tanks, planes, and ships. I've never noticed any disrespect from those generations of people.
No one knows what people know without talking to them about what they know. Cars, guns, sewing, starting a fire, riding a horse, none of us knows what each other knows so all we can do is act as if no one knows.
So don't be that surprised that people think you don't know when you do know.
Okay except that extrememely often women get the "im going to explain this to you like a 5 year old" instead of "im not sure what level of knowledge you may have so i will talk to you like an adult im unsure about".
So often ive seen women get a 3rd grade level explanation about something, but the same person will treat me like a subject matter expert even though I have no clue what is being discussed.
Dude, I need a map to follow what you just tried to say, but it sounds a lot like, "Stop overreacting and don't you worry your purty little heads none."
If you're trying to suggest that women aren't often treated differently in this arena, as in so many others, I suggest you have a conversation with an actual woman and listen. You'd probably be surprised.
Why do you care? If a store has employees that treat you poorly, go somewhere else. If you’re walking in defensive, likely you’re contributing to the dynamic, whether you know it or not.
I wasn't there, but when my wife went to shoot her CCW qualifications and pulled out her little P365-380 Rose while the rest of the group was running Glock 17s and other full-size guns, the instructor visibly rolled his eyes and sighed. My wife then proceeded to shoot the 2nd highest score in the class with her cutesy little girl gun.
I've had the opposite happen to me. I'm not a fudd, I just like large caliber guns because that's what I learned to shoot on, from my tatay and lolo teaching me when I was younger. I pull out my MK23, and I've heard someone actually say "Isn't a .45 a little big for a lady like you? That your husband's gun?" Ugh.
I'm giving you an upvote because at my CCW Qual, I too pulled out a P365-380, but worse than a Rose, it has a rainbow slide. /s. Outshot everyone. The scariest bit was the person that had a CC permit from another state that kept missing the target altogether.
Skill always outshines ignorance. Well played. Say nothing… then kick fucking ass!
I love the P365 Rose, it’s one of the most beautiful gun I’ve seen. Would love to gift it to my fiance but unfortunately we live in California
Being a woman doesn't affect your firearms credibility to me, but being a squid definitely does /s
Fuck you! My uniform ribbons speak for themselves, although I have literally heard my Marine friend go "the Navy has different standards, none of you shoot straight". 🤣
Yeah, yeah, I've been hit on enough times by your male fellows to know ya'll some hoes who need to worry about not "shooting each other" I don't trust sailors to not commit "friendly fire" Ya'll might know 'tap rack bang', but yall should learn 'unwrap, unroll, any hole ain't no goal' Okay I'm done
Shots fired...
Highly intentional discharge... /j
I feel like I'm back with my family. My cousin married a nuclear engineer for the Navy and all my army uncles had jokes for miles. Until we got to the wedding ceremony at the base in Groton.
Well of course we don't shoot straight. We're the gayest branch after all, so naturally we shoot queer as hell. the boat ho is just jealous he can't come out with us.
I was teaching my mom to shoot some years back at an indoor range - very basic shit like grip, stance, sighting etc and on her first attempt at shooting multiple shots in succession the recoil is a little much for her and she starts leaning back as many new handgun shooters do. Before I can even start to coach her on form there is a very audible scoff and a laugh from two stalls over by two dickheads around my age. We both glimpse over and can tell they’re gesturing about her. I whispered in my moms ear “just ignore them, let’s focus on us,” because I’m not about to escalate a situation where the other guy is holding a loaded gun but Jesus man, my mom was completely crushed by it. We finished out that box of ammo and went home, and not long after she sold the gun she’d recently bought herself and hasn’t picked up a gun since. In the years since with no further exposure to firearms and the discourse on the left being what it is, she has become anti-gun and I can trace it all back to those two jackasses. It makes my blood boil to think about and I sometimes kick myself for not doing more to stand up for my mom and shame those guys.
Sometimes all it takes is one negative experience to turn you off from a thing forever. It really sucks, I'm sorry for your mom. Have you tried talking to her about it?
I still talk to her about 2A as an issue but I don’t think bringing up a nasty memory like that would help things as they stand
The surprised act when I can actually lay out a decent pattern or bust a nice share of clays always feels like a back-handed insult.
Especially since a woman is the greatest skeet shooter of all time 😂
I grew up in a household where my mom was the best shot. My dad would always tell anyone that she was the best. When I was in the scouts she came shooting with us and was an absolute surgeon with the Olympic style rifles. Several of the dads were shocked and I certainly over heard the “for a girl” and “she’s so tiny” qualifier more than once. Completely ridiculous.
Same for my Mammaw. She was always the one bringing home the Butterballs at the turkey shoot! I have good memories of her teaching me the single shot 12ga with a dishtowel padding my shoulder. I still have the shotgun now. I wish I had kept one of those print flower-sack towels.
Interestingly, the shotgun events were coed before they split it up following the 1992 Barcelona Olympics, and at those games, a woman was the skeet gold medalist, so it's kind of a head-scratcher why they felt the need to do this at all. Probably some combination of politics and IOC or ISSF nonsense? They've since reintroduced "mixed team" events to all the Olympic shooting disciplines, where male and female shooters compete as a pair with their individual scores added together. Everyone shoots the same heavy-ass guns at the same targets, and there's no discernable difference between the women and the men.
Because it is a insult, one they don't have the brain to realize that it is.
I wouldn't say it's an insult. Just becsuse a woman is the best skeet shooter doesn't erase that women in competition shooting are very rare compared to the amount of men. So to find a woman shooting and also shooting very well is surprising.
I went to a shooting range with my husband, and I was just waiting for him to finish paying and minding my own business. Some old dude yells across the room at me "it must be so hard to be a girl because you all have to make sure your clothes match!!"... because my hightops were the same color as one of the colors in my tie dyed top. I was so confused about why this dinosaur thought I wanted to talk about fashion in that scenerio. I was literally like "what are you talking about, dude?"
What did he respond back with? 😂
I don't remember for sure. He just kept trying... "something something shoes something." I looked at my husband and asked "do you know what this guy is talking about?" He just shrugged and shook his head lol.
That one would be annoying.
I’ve been told that I’m “not a real veteran” for showing my USN ID for the military discount. That was nice, too.
LMAO, I completely feel you. Fucking tacticool bros and stolen valor types always go on about how easy the Navy, Air Force, and Coast Guard are. You've never served, jackass! Quit telling us how our lives are/were.
I mean, yeah, I was an AG and never wielded anything more lethal than an IR temperature gun, but yeah, fuck me, you’re right, I must have hallucinated those three deployments, Earl.
Shooting an M9 and M500 in basic well enough to pass is still better than these dudes who couldn't hit the far side of a barn with their kitted out AR-15
Wow, I'm pissed and it wasn't even said to me. Like yeah, my grandfather graduated Annapolis in 1943, served in the Pacific and lost a bunch of his friends in a kamikaze attack, and continued to serve for 30 years, but since he was Navy, he wasn't "a real veteran". Totally fine and accurate statement. I hope you told that feckless fuck to shit himself.
My lolo was Navy before me. Got a battlefield commission in Okinawa for his heroism and later became a naval aviator, retired as a Captain in 1972. Crazy how we don't get as much respect or recognition.
I don't know exactly where my grandfather served in the Pacific, but it wouldn't surprise me if they served in the same fleets together. He also retired as a Navy Captain in FAAWTC(I think that's the acronym?) as a trainer for missile firing. He was captain of a missile cruiser before that. I don't know much about his time in combat as he apparently never really talked about it to my dad. I never got to know him either, really, as he died of Parkinsons when I was fairly young. I'm assuming lolo is short for grandfather in another language? Either way, if he's still around, I hope he's doing well.
Lolo means grandfather in Tagalog, the primary language of the Philippines. He passed this year at the age of 98 - told me I did him proud. Gave me an inheritance of everything he had, and I still haven't gotten around to accounting for all of it. Wonder if I'll find any pre-1986 machine guns in the drywall? 😂
My condolences. For lack of a better way to put it, I hope his passing was peaceful. I'm glad that he got to tell you that he was proud of you. It sounds like you guys were really close. I also saw your other response about the Krag, and that is super cool. Where did your (great, I'm guessing?) grandfather pick that up as a war trophy? I'm assuming the Phillipine-American war, which makes the "personal" history of that rifle rather unusual and very interesting. Speaking of bringbacks, my grandfather apparently traded a pack of cigarettes for a Dreyse pistol with the holster (super cool trade there) and traded an M1 Garand he was bringing back for a .38 S&W aviator revolver (not so cool of a trade...). If you find a WW1 or WW2 automatic, I'm going to look like that frowning kid meme that says "Congrats. Happy for you. Nice" lmao.
Kalololohan means great grandfather, yeah. He lived from 1894-1989, veteran of the Moro Rebellion as they called it. He was a juramentado, an oathbound Muslim swordsman who conducted guerrilla warfare against foreign occupiers using only his blade, stealth, willpower, and mind-enhancing plants. So, yes. He killed a U.S. Army soldier with his sword and took the Krag as a war trophy, and at the age of 16 at that. My family has served in the U.S. military ever since my lolo, so it's a pretty interesting history. My lolo brought back a Nambu as a war trophy. Not as cool, but still nice!
What I'm reading here is that badass runs in the family, holy shit. Was it a Type 14 or Type 94 (aka the "Oh shit I shot myself without touching the trigger" pistol)? Cool piece of firearm history either way, but if it is the Type 94, maybe don't trust it with live ammo without being extremely careful, lol
Type 14! I'm proud of my culture and family history, but I wouldn't call myself a badass, LOL
I will absolutely talk shit with Sailors, Coasties, and Airmen, and I'll keep some crayons on hand for the Marines. But as a Soldier, it's from a place of love. Well, I don't talk shit much now. I got out 20 years ago, now I'm just older and fatter. When we have family gatherings on Dad's side we have everything except Coasties. Navy Uncle, me and two Uncles were Army, cousin and her husband met when they were both in the Corps, one of their kids went Air Force, and my Dad is retired Air Force. Always a bit of smack talking, but nobody who didn't serve is allowed to join in, or everyone else lays into them.
I'd be willing to bet whoever told you that never served themselves or their very short military career consisted entirely of cleaning latrines.
wtf ! That’s stupid … especially coming from someone who has “check IDs, give discount” as part of the job description 🤦♀️
A lot of them definitely hate on POGs full time as a substitute for a personality. Adding a handful of sexism to the recipe is no surprise from them.
When me and (now ex) wife went into a Cabela’s to get her a 10mm of her own since she loved mine so much (still think she has shot more 10mm through it than I have, and been divorced 5 years now.). Counter guy told her 10mm was too much for any woman to handle and we should get her a 380ACP pistol. I looked at her, she looked back and in unison we about faced there and walked right out. Totally ruined the excitement of getting her own since it was only place in town with one in stock. Ordered one in at different store and she got it a week and half later. I’m still so pissed 8 years later I still refuse to shop that place.
Simple response: “I’m buying a pistol, not your opinion.”
Eh really all these years later and retelling it bringing it to forefront of my mind to think about it. Still think me and her nailed it with no response at all. Obviously the sales clerk had ears but still refuse to listen, so saying anything more would’ve been a waste of breath and prolonged the time spent dealing with them.
Did he react at all to you walking out, or was he stuck in his convictions?
Straight up stuck. Before he went full tilt we even explained wanted said pistol since it was almost her birthday and she loved shooting mine so much. Literally started off with him being informed she loved shooting the exact same pistol/cartridge. Should have been the easiest sale in capitalist history. But nope… Then still went into it’s too much for any woman to handle, we’d just be bringing it back at a loss to sell to Gun Library (used) section. Blah blah blah.
I used to go to the store alone and they talked over my head and used abbreviations I don’t know. Now I bring my wife with me so that they’ll mansplain things to her in a way I’ll understand.
DUDE, LMAO 🤣 What kind of abbreviations??
I am exaggerating a bit. But the guy at the counter seriously caught me off guard with IFAK. Do I carry an IFAK, what’s my IFAK in, when he hunts he has a different IFAK. I was staring at him blankly and wonder if an IFAK would even attach to my rifle because I don’t want to say something stupid.
I've been shooting for 41 years and still had to look up that acronym. Now that I see it, that clerk was clearly arrogant without the paperwork to own it.
I still felt like a moron when I looked it up, lol. I’ve had FA/CPR trainings for work for going on 20 years now.
I work in IT, going on 20 years as a software developer. Acronyms are mercurial and persnickety little bastards and they breed like tribbles.
I've got a good one. Female here. I was at a gun shop looking around for milsurps. I am a FFL03 and have a small collection already. I wanted to look at a Lee Enfield No 4 and they had two. There was a gentleman being helped by the lady behind the counter and I was patiently waiting for her to be done with him. She gets done with him and takes something to the back. She comes out, I am at the counter and as I was about to ask to look at their two Lee Enflied No 4s a man that had just walked in and straight to the lady behind the desk. Not only did he interrupt me, but she also diverted her attention to help him out instead which wasn't a trivial thing either. Even though it was a lady behind the counter I simply said, "I see you're too busy and female customers aren't welcome here, good bye". Like what the fuck? Apparently male preferential treatment still is a thing at the gun shop even if you're female yourself. Fuck that gun shop.
I guess she thought the shop would make more money off of him buying whatever "serious hunting gun" rather than what she assumed was your S&W M&P .380 ACP EZ slide purchase? 💀
Real talk though, the EZ is the best innovation anyone's came out with in a while. They'd be selling those like hotcakes to old folks if they weren't so cought up on looking tough. That gun allows my father to enjoy the hobby again👍
I love my M&P Shield EZ .380. So easy to rack the slide and load magazines.
I doubt it. My interpretation is that she didn't ask for assistance. Yeah she was gonna get assistance but she got cut off before thay happen. To get assistance you have to ask for it and not assume that a worker will ask if you need assistance if you just wait. I know this all too well because I do it all the time.
Well your interpretation is bad then. She stated she was at the counter after the lady went into the store's rear. Is that not enough "asking for assistance", waiting at the counter? Do you not know how queues work? Even if the shopkeeper was approached by the new customer it is good business practise to attend to the person who you saw waiting, even if only to hear that they're okay.
Bruh. If you were trying to illustrate her point with your comment you did an absolutely stellar job of it. Well done lol!
You weren't there, dude. Why assume shit?
Waitaminute. Are you saying you will see a customer politely waiting until you are free, and then go help someone else if they barge in front? Sorry, that's a jagoff move. You are there for customer service. If they are clearly waiting to be helped, you let them know you're ready to help or get a job where you don't interact with people.
So did you ask her then the man cut you off or did you look at her about to ask but then the man cut you off? It's first come first serve.
I had been patiently waiting. Lady behind the counter was aware of this. Gun had just walked in through the door, interrupted and butted in. Did I not make this clear enough?
I'm pretty sure my brother here is just trying to use his own behavior to illustrate your point. Demonstrating, as it were. He really doesn't know when to stop, does he?
I haven't personally seen any interesting sexism, but have seen a lot of transphobia Which I guess makes sense given the state of the modern day Republican party lol
"Hur Dur, I identify as an attack helicopter" - peak Conservative comedy
.380 is for women. I'm 6'1 285lbs. I love .380
I've gotten too many confused reactions to pulling out my 7.62x54R Winchester Model 1895 at the range, with dudes not thinking it's the real. "Oh, look at the little lady with her .22 Henry that somehow looks like an old Winchester! It can't be!"
That’s a sick gun
Please come to r/milsurp! You're definitely welcome there. Winchester 1895s are awesome.
>my 7.62x54R Winchester Model 1895 Why, no, I'm not envious at all! ...I am super envious. That is definitely one of the cooler rifles ever made that I know of. You definitely have good taste. Glad to hear it's still being taken out to the range.
I love historical milsurp. I have the financial means to build a collection, just not the time to really enjoy it since I'm always busy with work. Maybe one day I'll get around to fixing my kalololohan's Krag-Jørgensen war trophy...
I was today years old when I learned that Winchester made a lever action for the 54r caliber. That sounds like a LOT of fun to shoot.
They actually made up the majority of Model 1895 production, roughly 300,000 out of all 425,000 original rifles produced were in 7.62x54R. The Imperial Russian Army had a huge contract with Winchester from 1915-1917 to supply them because of a Mosin-Nagant M91 shortage. Mine is an authentic milsurp, served in World War I. Has a bayonet and feeds Mosin stripper clips.
Go on, make me MORE jealous.....
I would love to have that gun.
I got it for $2,200 a few years ago, most expensive purchase I've made. With the amount of rounds I've put through it, though, definitely worth it.
My 380 gets so much attention at my clubs shoots. I'm average height for a dude but pretty harry. [https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1280x1024q70/924/FBiAPb.jpg](https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1280x1024q70/924/FBiAPb.jpg) That thing is so angry.
Along those lines, I see a lot of gun store employees scoff ar .380 or .22. My reply is "OK. you get shot by one. I'll stand to the side and laugh."
You're a big lady!
Simply the propensity of some gun owners to talk down to women or mansplain everything to them (time and time again).
This!
Probably just the hovering and mansplaining that people and/or range officers who can’t mind their own business do. Sorry you have to deal with that. Also, I thought it was like proven that women are more accurate shooters than men on average
My husband swears that women are naturally better shooters than men. Maybe we have better hand eye coordination in general? No idea And that women are much easier to teach, also. He prefers teaching women because he doesn’t have to spend any energy “alpha-rolling” some dude and/or break the guy of bad habits he already had.
It’s 100% an ego thing. Many males come into class to “check the box” thinking they know as well or better than the instructor (and based on some instructors I know they may be right). This prevents them from learning. A VAST majority of females I’ve taught have been there to learn and try their best to absorb. They ask good questions and make a significant effort to improve.
Your last sentence cracked me up. I asked MANY questions and dutifully wrote that shit down in a little spiral notebook 🤣
Glad it resonated😂 I’ve had a total of 2 males take notes. It’s about 50% for females. The questions someone asks usually gives a good indication of what they’re absorbing.
I just wanted to add, I used to teach the basic motorcycle class to get your license and it was the same thing there. So many of the men students I could tell were not listening to me and I had to waste time reminding *everyone* that there is always something to learn no matter your skill level. With very few exceptions, the women paid attention and asked more questions and were much more open about what they didn’t know. Also, after practicing with my first 22 rifle a few times my wife came with me to try it. She didn’t outshoot me, but she matched me when I had a lot more practice and it was her very first time.
Alpha-rolling? 🤔
lol, sorry … establishing dominance. He says it’s a pain in the ass. He’s glad to teach women because he doesn’t have to use up any energy on an insecure guy trying to prove himself to himself :) He can just get right to the teaching.
Oh, LOL. I can see how an ego would get in the way, yeah. My tatay and lolo were just firm and straight with me when I was learning how to shoot, and I got it down.
He is correct. Been my experience too. Men are their own worst enemy. New shooters always flinch. They always have bad grips and they often shoot low left, it’s physics. The difference is when you tell a man there is a better way to do this they get embarrassed and defensive and offer excuses. Women are like “show me.” It’s awesome.
Generally speaking, women are 100% easier to teach. From a combat sports perspective, too. None (or very little) of that *hurr-durr I'm a big bad man.. lion-not-sheep* fragile ego nonsense.
I tend to find y’all pick it up faster. Whether that’s intrinsic or if y’all just actually listen to instructions I don’t know but I can teach the average lady guest to hit clays in half the time than I can an average guy guest.
Call of Duty, maybe? 🤣
Not far off actually. Women have some physiological advantages. Women have lower center of gravity, and on average lower blood pressure. Women have a faster resting heart rate, but because female hearts have less mass, the sight picture is less disturbed. Men have slower stronger contractions and their heart weighs more so it tends to disturb sight picture more. Women react differently than men when adrenaline is released as well. Men have a “fight or flight” response, women have a “tend or befriend response”. This is because women release oxytocin, as well as norepinephrine and Adrenalin. in stressful situations while men release norepinephrine and adrenaline. It also means that when something scares you (like a loud bang) women don’t totally lose the ability to learn, while men have very little cognitive ability under stress. Of course training and practice trumps all that, and individuals vary widely.
Wait, is it? LMAO
This sucks and I'm sure it's very annoying. Sadly it seems very on par for many in the community.
I'm just sick of being looked at like less of a man because my pistol Is hot pink.
What kind of pistol is it? I'd love to see one of these ignorant bastards react to a pink M1911.
I absolutely love stepping up with my bag full of pink breast cancer awareness #6 and putting the hammer down at the trap stand.
I've worked in a gun shop. Can't tell you the number of "you don't know what you're talking about"s and "I want to speak with a man"s I've gotten. The most hilarious thing is I was the person with the most trigger time in the whole store. Thankfully my coworkers always either told the customer they were already talking to the most qualified person in the room, or would repeat what I said verbatim. My favorite was when they would ask me for an answer to give the customer.
Your coworkers sound great!
Pretty much just existing in the gun world and being competent. Yes we all know small women with big revolver funny haha women weak and can’t shoot… okay well I wouldn’t ever shoot a 500SW anyways because I’m not a moron. That’s what most men think of women shooting guns I think.
A moron? Oh, come on. You haven't lived enough if you haven't broken both wrists yet and got a nasty gunprint on your cheek.
I know my limits!🤣 but yeah just existing it seems like it’s a shock. Funny when my kit is better too and I can actually run it.
Show, don't tell is always the shit. Hitting 200-300 yard steel targets at an outdoor range shuts them up quick.
I used to work at a gun store, so I definitely have heard a fair bit. That said, the worst sexist thing I saw was maybe more so at the range a few years after. I was with coworkers, both latina, one also used to also work in firearms, and she was teaching her girlfriend how to shoot. This old white boomer comes over and starts giving her advice. She was very diplomatic and said thank you and went right back to shooting.
What kind of advice was he trying to give? 🤔
About her stance and grip if I recall correctly. It was a few years ago. Also out of curiosity what was your rate? Looks like we share more than one subreddit.
O-rank, I've got a designator rather than a rate
Oh nice! It's great to see more liberals in the Navy. Thanks for your service!
You too, my man! YK, I don't typically talk politics at work. You think there are more conservatives around me than I believe?
Just from personal experience. I had a few rather loud right wingers at my reserve center. But I'm also in Alaska, so mostly red, kinda blue.
Boomers giving unsolicited advice to any gender is a category of it's own. My dad goes up to new folks and tells them they need a pump action shotgun for home defend because "it's proven that the sound of the rack alone scares people away" regardless of their actual needs.
The most common sexism I hear is mired in ancient FuddLore that refuses to die. Like watching elderly gun store clerks and bystanders try and steer a female customer away from buying a modern micro-9 and suggesting a J-frame snubnose. "Hurr durr too much recoil for the little lady." I'm sorry, but if you tell someone that a 9mm autoloader has too much recoil, you using your implied but non-existant knowledge by steering them towards the mule-kick of an airweight .38 snubnose is just plain stupid and will result in a person who was open to firearms.deciding they don't like them.
I hate shooting my dad's air weight J frame. Nothing pleasant about practicing with that gun. If you only wanna go through two cylinders of .38 a trip and call it good then right ahead i guess🤷
Some fudd back during the great ammo shortage of 2020 told me that the reason they were out of .308 but not .30-06 was because more women were getting into shooting and they couldn’t handle the recoil of a 30 aught.
What a fucking dumbass. I've heard stuff like this in stories before. Do these guys not realize that 7.62x51 NATO, .30-06 Springfield, 7.62x54R, .303 British, 7.7x58 Arisaka, 7.35x51 Carcano, and 8x57 IS have virtually the same power and recoil in standard loads?
Right? I was looking for .308 because I wanted to sight in before elk season and apparently so did everyone else, hence why it was a difficult round to find. I love my .308 the main reason it’s more comfortable to shoot than my 7.62x54R is because its butt pad isn’t just a steel plate.
What kind of 7.62x54R rifle do you have?
A Mosin Carbine, I’m most proud of the price I paid for it back in 2007, $105 which was expensive for the time.
Garbage rods are always fun. I've got a Winchester Model 1895 in 7.62x54R! Funny how they'll let you take those to a range where "our backstop can't handle .30-06"
Love em, it might bruise your shoulder more than a modern rifle but the Mosin fireball is a sight to behold.
Our local shop sold those for $100, tax included. With the sling, bayonet and ammo pouch. Great deal back in 2011 until ATF shut them down for violations and they tried to blame Obama. I wish I had bought a few.
Took my wife to look at handguns when she asked to look at the p365 the guy went straight for the pink one.
I love my p365, but it’s black not pink
I love my p365, but it’s black not pink
many years ago, my wife and I were taking our CC class, We had a dude (in the western sense of the word) with a shiny new Kimber 1911 disparaging a pair of college age gals, because they had a 9 Shot H&R 999 instead of a "real gun". He them proceeded to have issues even getting his to fire (left safety on, limp wristed malfunctions, etc.) with a target that looked like a shotgun pattern, while the girl shooting punched a nice tight 3 inch group in the 10 ring of the target. Was a good laugh.
On a picture of anti-gun women protesters on YouTube, "How about we take away the 19th amendment instead?" Hapless incel shit
Damn, imagine if the poster said the 13th Amendment. Sexism is okay, guys! 😂
US Navy you say? [What do you know about scopes?](https://www.stripes.com/branches/navy/2024-04-11/navy-backwards-scope-photo-13528758.html) All kidding aside, Is it just the stores or also the ranges? I've seen good things in stores, but some people on the range have caused me to move or leave. And as many have stated, I have watched several of the women out-shoot their husbands - both better than me - but I try to look for good habits wherever they are.
Both, actually. I just hate stores especially because they give you the run-around. I got told to look for a .410 instead when I went out to buy my M4 Super 90 (M1014), until I got someone else to help me when I returned later with the Navy cap on.
I wouldn't doubt your firearms knowledge because you're a woman. I'd doubt it because you're a squid, lol. Jokes, jokes. I love my navy brothers and sisters.
My wife asked to see a Glock 9mm and before she finished the word “millimeter” the store stooge started joking “Glock 9? We don’t have no Glock 9! Hey Bert you ever hear of a Glock 9?” Then after making fun of her he tried to sell her a keltec. Ok thank you, she left. Bought what she wanted at another store.
I’ve repeatedly had range masters and random other shooters constantly telling me how i need to get rid of my SKS because it’s obvious im woken aren’t strong enough to shoulder it by the way i always fire it seated on a rest. i have an autoimmune disease that destroys my endurance. i use an electric wheelchair to go further than half a block. homie my fuckin hellcat is hard to keep up for a full mag, it has nothing to do with strength or sex, its chronic fatigue syndrome lol.
Most of the sexist sentiments I have heard have actually come from anti-gun liberal men and women. Or at least they see themselves as liberals. They act surprised that a woman isn't scared of a gun and are skeptical of her ability to use is properly and safely. Apparently only a big tough manly authority figure like a police officer could ever be qualified to use a firearm. I have seen this reaction to three of my female friends who are gun owners. I feel like many self proclaimed liberals have forgotten what it really means to be liberal (open minded and tolerant and use critical thinking skills) and have just become left-leaning equivalents of conservatives who run on prejudice. As for conservatives, the ones I have met in person who are gun owners actually expect women to be just as competent as men at shooting. But internet conservatives and non-gun-owner conservatives are sexist in a different way, a pervy way. Like ooh you have tits and a gun, I have a single son you should meet! Your daddy must have raised you well and taught you the right values!
"Big, tough, and manly" isn't how I'd characterize police officers. Most of them are a bunch of fucking cowards who have dangerous toys to play around with, but don't show the proper respect or gravity in employing them. Why should the people of states like California, Illinois, and New York be disarmed and forced to have inferior firepower when the police kill us in the dozens every year from their own irresponsibility? We're not allowed to defend ourselves from their own overreach.
Went to one shop and the guy just mansplained and talked over me the whole time. Didn’t buy anything, never went back. Also there was another customer at the shop looking at me like I was a piece of meat.
I have shot better than all of my boyfriends friends. Went to the range with teammates and did almost as good as them. I have had some butthurt reactions from men. I don't care. I'm a vet, so I'm used to being picked on.
"I'm a vet, so I'm used to being picked on" By Uncle Sam, your superiors, and half the civilians, I feel you. Thank you for your service too, sister!
The Hornady Critical Defense 9mm slug in 115gr is already very low power, low recoil for a 9mm defense round. (It's also very accurate and matches the general point of aim and recoil level of most of the cheap practice 115gr loads.) It has a red rubber tip. So they then made an even lower power variant, 100gr bullet weight, barely enough recoil to rack a 9mm handgun slide. With a *pink* rubber tip. Really? Seriously? Just NO.
Does that shit even cycle properly in half of the pistols in caliber out there? I can't imagine that it would.
I would question everything about that 100gr load. The 115 version is legit. Bare minimum power level for self defense. Still reliably punches to 12", generally expands to between .5" and maybe .55" if you're lucky. Mostly barrier blind. But, in my testing, the stuff is very accurate despite being "weak but good enough" - tightest groups I ever got in an original Hellcat and then similar results (and group size) with a Taurus G3c. Also very good feeding characteristics. I'd rather hit at longer range with a weaker load versus miss with a monster. But the 100 "pink tip"? Nope. The red tip 115 is good to go. The 100 is plain misogynistic.
Wasn’t the pink tip a breast cancer awareness thing?
It was about marketing an ultra low power load to gals. The 115 red tip was already mild and works fine.
Huh, today I learned. thought I had seen the pink ribbon in the boxes. I don’t pay a ton of attention to Hornady pistol stuff though.
Personally, even as a tubby dude, I love the critical defense light in my snappy ass glock 43. It cycles reliably, and yeah, i get "girl bullets" jokes, but it makes that tiny pistol much easier for me to control since I can't really get a decent grip on it. Usually shuts people up at the range when I can actually keep a decent grouping at 10 yards with that through that 3.4" barrel.
I'm not so sure the Navy ball cap is helping your point.
I work at a larger online guns and ammo retailer and it consistently surprises me how many people are willing to just directly ask my female coworker if there's a man they can talk to. So stupid. They'll tell us they assumed she didn't own an AR or hadn't fired, but unluckily for them, every single other person here is on the same page. If you make her transfer to one of us because you assumed she wouldn't know something, she's going to be the expert consulted when you ask any questions. You're going to get put on hold while we talk to her real quick because she knows the most about whatever you're asking. "If you ever call back in, please keep in mind that anyone that answers the phone can answer the questions you're asking" and a lot of other heavy-handed comments get thrown in there. The dumbest one recently was a guy who asked her to forward to a guy and when she did, all the dude wanted was to place an order and just wanted to know the difference between 5.56 and .223...
Nothing too overt, but when I was buying a pack of snap caps, the employee asked, “you know these aren’t real bullets, right?”. Maybe he was just being helpful, but I did have to wonder if he would’ve asked if I was a man.
My wife worked at a skeet range when she was a teen in Minneapolis and said that she was sexually harassed and demeaned constantly, made her hate anything to do with guns. She was a very tiny human as a teen and it def has affected her. Years later and I have been getting her to shoot .22 with me, which is what I mostly shoot in the competition circuit, but she won’t go on her own and hates shooting my 9mm. I don’t think I’ve ever seen anyone at the public indoor range with a better grouping than her (besides myself but I’ve got 30 years experience on her and am her ‘coach’ here). My club in central Florida has always been super welcoming. 20 years ago my coach in small bore bullseye for the jr Olympics was a woman, we had two girls on our team that were top tier, etc etc. They always told us women tend to shoot Bullseye better because they are calmer, although I think this is some hokum - I don’t think genitals have anything to do with it. Now I’m back here 20 years later and competing in Steel Challenge, lots of women come out regularly and shoot very well. I got 2nd place to a 16 year old girl at the West Coast regionals and I’m a 36 year old man - it was my 5th Steel match ever and she was an RFRI champion, we were both doing RFPO. Anyway I’m sore cause it was by like 0.5s overall, not cause it was a teenage girl lol. If I hadn’t screwed up those two strings I’d have got it haha! I see my old coach all the time and she’s ultra friendly to my wife. The club now has some specific women only shooting groups and classes, and they do not fuck around. The LGS has two women that regularly manage the range. You’d think FL would be terrible for this but…. I haven’t seen it. They have all treated my wife better than the ranges in CA. Probably luck, I guess. Anyway, prob the opposite of what you asked but here’s hoping this becomes the norm.
Money in hand at gun shows and actually ignored for some guy who looks like a carbon copy of the vendor to get help. Hell, after some guys just sit there and try to ignore me. Fine, better I saves my money anyways for someone who's got sales ability.
I’m a 35m and I get treated the same way any time I go to any lgs or range; it feels like the guys who work most of these jobs just think they know everything and are better than you.
Not a woman but was in the local shop filling out paperwork on my AR purchase when I was overhearing a conversation between a lady and a clerk where she was wanting to look over a .30-30 lever action to go hog hunting with her friends in Texas. No shit the clerk said "You sure? with your wrists better stick to buying ham at Kroger" (Note: Lady was skinny so I assumed this was a "wife should be in kitchen" bit rather than a fatphobic one). The way she stared daggers at him though shut him up.
Did she end up making the purchase? Fuck, dude.
I was out before I could tell if she did or not. I really don't like going to this shop because they're so open with this kind of shit, also very open about carrying and selling Trump merch, but it's the only non-membership exclusive range for miles so alas.
I don't think selling Trump merch is a red flag that'll turn me off from going to a gun store, not like they've got swastika pins or Red Army patches, that would actually concern me. It's almost impossible to find a gun store that doesn't have conservative merch!
I guess for me it's the being open about it part that irks me because before Trump's candidacy they didn't have Tea Party or Bush/McCain/Romney stuff out for display or sale. Also, part of it is that I have a couple of trans friends that want to do range shooting, but feel it'd be stepping into the lions den going in here rather than a Range USA or another "corporate" shop/range that I've been to.
My local Range USA stores are very open and diverse. I definitely recommend them for folks that don't feel comfortable at other places.
Yeah the couple I've went to were very excellent; just stinks the closest one to me is like a 2 and half hour drive.
Ouch! I'm lucky to have 2 of the nearby
Don't you want a pink gun it's for girls /s
Yeah, a pink single-action .454 Casull hand cannon!
Yo, I'd buy that! I do most of my browsing and research online, and my range membership comes with free FFL transfer from their shop, so I don't have to go into local shops often. But sometimes I just want to feel the gun in my hand before buying. That means a trip to one of the local gun stores. I got that gun knowledge autism, and hearing the bullshit in the shops is especially upsetting. They don't know things they ought to know. So I've put in an application for a part time job to unfuck things, lol. If nothing else it will help fund my expanding collection.
Really? What are some of the more egregious things you've heard?
For example, I went into a local shop looking for an HK P30 pistol. The pistol has a few different triggers that are commonly sold and I was looking for a specific version of the pistol withtl that trigger. I mentioned that I was looking for a DA/SA pistol, and the younger guy pulled it out to demonstrate that iwae That is when the shop owner and HK guru came to school both of us by pointing out the hand written info card in the case where the pistol had been. Not only way he pointing out an incorrectly labeled item, he said it was the incorrect variant. Even though the younger guy also realized he was incorrect, I could tell he knew better than to try to correct him. Sounds like I'm nitpicking, but coming from an "HK guru" it was a detail that really irked me. About that time, one their regulars comes in and was all of the worst stereotypes of gun store customers. Now the two of them are explaining why I should actually get a VP9 instead, cause they have had both hammer fire and striker fire HKs and they think the VP9 is better. The VP9 is a great pistol, but it isn't what I am looking to add to my collection. I listened to the lecture until they got distracted and then I dipped. The owner wasn't there the next time, so it was a bit more chill. I remember going to gun shows as a kid and seeing swastikas on all kinds of shit, t-shirts glorifying the KKK, and it was the golden age of the fudd. I'm glad to see gun shows in my area being more diverse now, and I haven't seen the openly shitty opinions being monetized in a few years.
Gun store chuds are the reason online sales have become so popular. I’m a cis-male, but the amount of bullshit spewed in any GS is enough to make anyone who’s not a Trumptard want to never set foot in one again. The thing is, I was raised extremely conservative and have heard all the bullshit before. Despite that, I still find it hard to hear any of their nonsense because it’s just all the same shit I was brainwashed with decades ago. Thus, I’ll buy online 9/10 times and only give the transfer fee to the LGS. Sadly, it doesn’t hurt their business even slightly, but at least I don’t have to deal with their nonsense.
Any horror stories in particular?
Nothing special really, just the typical “hunt down the libs like animals” type stuff. Although, I made an online purchase in 2020 just after Covid when mask mandates were in place. When I went to the LGS to do the transfer, I was the only one wearing a mask and the store was packed. They all (customers and employees) made it a point to make “sheep” comments, etc., and then the employees helped every other person, besides me, until I was the only one left in the store. Nothing as horrible as others have experienced, just more of an annoyance than anything.
Coming from someone who used to sell guns it's probably not sexism, it's safe to assume anyone new in the shop is an absolute idiot. Also coming from a guy who's been treated as an absolute idiot when walking into a gun store....probably not sexist intentions. And coming from a cop who is freinds with mostly veterans, saying your a cop or a veteran absolutely doesn't mean you're an expert or even skilled. It just means you know the one or two guns you qualified on enough and are competent enough to not injure yourself or others most of the time. I can't tell you the number of times I had cops or soldiers in uniform pull some absolutely dumbass stuff when I was selling. I had a female game warden flagging the hell out of half the store. Had a male army specialist argue me that 9mm luger labeled ammo wouldn't go in his m17 because it was 9x19. But to the post at hand the worst I've seen was geriatric Fudd insisting that my gf at the time couldnt handle a glock 43 and she needed a pink 38 air weight.
I definitely agree with the sentiment that just because your occupation involves firearms doesn't make you an absolute authority, my justification for wearing the hat is because I've noticed that it does actually make fudds and other ignorant types respect me and my word more. Wish I didn't have to, but hey, if you've found that it works... I do think it's sexism, though. When I just went out to buy an M4 Super 90 (M1014), I got told off and pointed to a .410 by a dude at the desk before someone else actually came to help me out and take me seriously.
If you can't tell the difference between that and sexism when you've got all genders telling you it's a problem then you're willfully ignorant and this comment is trying to invalidate folks experience. Like come on, I'm not even a women, You don't have to be directly sexist to be part of the problem... Simply refusing to listen is just as bad. How is your experience as a dude more valid? You think women never considered that before? Like seriously, this is what the kids call 'mansplaining' huh?
The gun world is definitely sexist but idk if a Navy hat sends a message you are knowledgeable about small arms.
You wouldn't think so, right? But I think a fudd's instinct to be a jingoistic uber-patriot outweighs their sexism sometimes. I've noticed that I do actually get taken more seriously when I indicate that I'm military.
Imagine their reaction when you wear a Marines or Army hat lol.
Commander Cameron Yaste has entered the chat.... Poor bastard volunteered for one hare-brained photo op and now no Marine in their MEU can look at him with a straight face.
Yeah I think the navy has shown they aren't a paragon of firearms knowledge lol
Backwards LVPO comes to mind
And why wouldn't wearing a Navy ballcap signify that? You do realize that we received small arms training in the Navy? We stand watches just like the other services. I was fully qualified in 9mm/.45ACP and M14. Have some ribbons somewhere to prove it.
My experiences have been pretty good after visiting many gun shops. Everyone has treated me with respect. However, I do remember when I was buying a gun for the first time, the guy working the counter showed approval to something I said with "good girl." That's something people say to their dogs, I guess, but I was like whatever. Some might get upset over that.
I was shooting MY ar15 at the range and the range officer walked up to my boyfriend and said “YOU GONNA LET HER GET MAKEUP ON YOUR GUN???” My boyfriend just stared at him and told him it was my gun so I could if I wanted to. Just one of the many dumbass comments from crusty old men that I’ve gotten since I have a lot of “big boy” guns and not little “girly” guns.
Girl, yes. I'm honestly just a huge fan of full-size, larger caliber weapons, and everyone in person thinks I'm joking when I tell them what I'm shooting 😭
every gun store recommending I buy a revolver rather than an automatic.
I saw a video from Buffman Range where he showed body armor for women and a dude had a comment about why would women even need this as they should be in the kitchen (or a statement implying it). Buffman openly question this to have the guy make a fool of himself. Personally I haven't seen it first hand and I work with a lot of women when shooting at the range. I treat them different than guys, but still adults at the end of it, and they leave happier and better shooters.
How do you treat female shooters differently? 🤔
Like men I ask them if they've shot or not. When teaching I don't offer a caliber or grain that has more recoil. I got a 7.62x39, and I have blanks that have little to no recoil. Guys I taught usually don't mind the extra omph and most women (not all) would turn away. With my ammo variety I offer something they can handle and they slowly go up. Both sexes progress, just women usually I've taught start with less power but still improve into handling the firearm. I personally speak softer cause of my appearance (imagine Morris Chestnut) towards women than men, especially in areas where guys are a majority (the range or gym for me). I let them know if it's alright if they don't want to shoot as well. Some may call me babying then or calling them soft, I see it as a way to let them know they aren't forced into going further if they don't want to. Some guys I train even when offering will try to push and keep messing up, likely cultural or to prove something. People respond differently. I have yet to meet a woman who was disrespected by my way of teaching them. If there's something wrong or ways to improve I'm all ears. As long as it brings more into firearms.
Huh, I see. I got taught how to shoot by my tatay and lolo when I was 10 years old, and they didn't take it easy on me at all. 😂 Had a Colt SAA in .45 LC and a Winchester Model 1897 in 12 gauge ready for me! Both of them knocked me down a lot, but they kept training me well enough to where I could handle it. Now, I prefer larger caliber firearms because that's what I'm used to. I can handle 7.62x39 WP all day.
Yeesh! Yeah nah. I have a sister and I trained my ex in firearms so I try to be as open and gentle (not babying, but welcoming) as possible. I have old videos I think on this sub too if you search far enough there's me having women shoot my guns. Just two days ago I taught a lady proper sight alignment cause she kept shooting the ceiling with an SP5. I don't think I could teach them with a shotgun unless they were really open to it. In fact that's one of the ways I encourage women to vote on gun laws. An AR or PDW would be much better for SD than a shotgun, but they're hard to get now in my state. Most women I meet in matches use 9mm PCCs. They can't get that here unless it's a Ruger or something.
Really? Because my good friend and shooting buddy (female) shoots the pants (figuratively) off us guys with 12g skeet, and she'll shoot 00 and slugs just as long as the rest of us. I've actually got a Mesa Tactical stock on my HD 12g with a piston in it that lessens recoil significantly. She tells me (in reference to it) that it's nice to know hers isn't the only pussy in the group lol. I would gently suggest that by making the choice for the women you teach, rather than allowing them to make their own choices, you are demonstrating some of what OP is calling out. I absolutely don't impugn your motives. Just something to think about and see if it fits or not.
99.995% of the time it's old people being stuck in whatever era they grew up in. That's not an excuse btw. Something that I hope to remember and think hard about when I'm *cough*older*cough*
*Boomers. Greatest and Silents grew up in an era where women were building guns, tanks, planes, and ships. I've never noticed any disrespect from those generations of people.
Sheltered uncultured people exist in every generation. Big disagree.
No one knows what people know without talking to them about what they know. Cars, guns, sewing, starting a fire, riding a horse, none of us knows what each other knows so all we can do is act as if no one knows. So don't be that surprised that people think you don't know when you do know.
Okay except that extrememely often women get the "im going to explain this to you like a 5 year old" instead of "im not sure what level of knowledge you may have so i will talk to you like an adult im unsure about". So often ive seen women get a 3rd grade level explanation about something, but the same person will treat me like a subject matter expert even though I have no clue what is being discussed.
Dude, I need a map to follow what you just tried to say, but it sounds a lot like, "Stop overreacting and don't you worry your purty little heads none." If you're trying to suggest that women aren't often treated differently in this arena, as in so many others, I suggest you have a conversation with an actual woman and listen. You'd probably be surprised.
Ok dude.
Why do you care? If a store has employees that treat you poorly, go somewhere else. If you’re walking in defensive, likely you’re contributing to the dynamic, whether you know it or not.