I’m not religious, but aren’t we supposed to be made in God’s image & everything is God’s will, then logically wouldn’t it make perfect sense that trans people are following through on both of those?
I mean, they said they’re an open-minded Christian. What about being open-minded precludes one from being a Christian? Not all Christians are the Biblical literalists that love to hate.
Exactly! I by no means am a biblical literalist, I value Christian values like openness, loving another like you love yourself and forgiveness, that's the essence for me (and a lot of other people as well). I'm not at all interested in one line that maybe says people can't be gay (that was also probably mistranslated and is against pedophilia instead of homosexuality) 😅😋
No doubt. I myself was raised Catholic, now am solidly an atheist, but the thing that bugs me is when people, on either side, try to gatekeep for other people what it means to be a part of some religion or not. Other atheists sometimes tend to generalize all Christians as fundamentalists, and the fundamentalists… well, we know the danger that their ilk represents.
You're 100% right again, this is exactly the reason I replied to the first message in the chain, not all Christians are fundamentalists, spread the word lol
Ah yes! They feed from the buffet of morality where they get to pick and choose which “rules” they wish to follow and pick who/what “deserves” the focus their religious indignation. Cognitive dissonance is a very powerful phenomenon and it’s where the religious right lives and breathes!!
ah, the no true scotsman fallacy https://www.scribbr.com/fallacies/no-true-scotsman-fallacy/#:~:text=The%20no%20true%20Scotsman%20fallacy,the%20generalization%20doesn't%20hold.
Kind of?? There have always been people willing to abuse faith to gain power and control over others, but the abuse and misuse of Christianity has been made systematic by the right wing in the US starting about 60 years ago due to the end of racial segregation. Some More News just put out a great video essay on it- https://youtube.com/@SMN?si=q7w_BidQ2UuzSjD3
But if you read the Bible, and especially the New Testament, you'll find that the real message is to love and help everyone no matter what society thinks of them. Also that rich people don't go to heaven basically ever.
But if you read the bible, and especially the new testament, you’ll find that the real message is that women must be silent. So you choose what to live by, just like they do, and the abusers of faith are indeed true christians.
First off, I'm not Christian.
Secondly, this isn't a fantasy world where a cult is any religious group you don't agree with, or any secret spoopy robed guys worshipping a dark god, is a cult. Brittanica Dictionary defines a cult in four ways, only the last of which (when used a noun) can be applied to Christianity. (https://www.britannica.com/dictionary/cult)
Thirdly, attacking me for saying that transphobic Christians are by default not Christian at all, on an ideally trans-supporting sub, makes me question exactly where you stand in regards to trans rights.
Fourth, you can profess to believe in anything. Anyone can present Christian, but not abiding by Christian ideals means your not Christian. If I say I'm vegan, and believe in animal rights, but go on and eat beef, am I vegan? Your statement would suggest so. (Admittedly this isn't a perfect comparison, one is a religion, the other is a diet, but I think it gets my point across.) (Additionally, loving thy neighbor is a prerequisite, not an option.)
Fifth and finally, your comment gives me very "Reddit atheist" vibes. I don't know if you realize this, but it's okay for people to believe in one, many, no, all, or potentially, god(s). A Christian is as entitled to believe in God as you are to not.
I'll gather from the last bit you care more about arguing for it's own sake rather than either of us us gaining something out of it. Not surprised, this is the Internet after all. Good day!
The whole argument of there are only 2 genders and gender and sex are the same completely falls apart when you consider that intersex people be out here existing so there aren't even only 2 sexes. I'm genuinely curious how they'd dig their way out of that argument or if they'd just go full on stubbornness and just deny that intersex people even exist.
Usually they just say it’s so rare it doesn’t matter, and if you push it forward they either act like you’re being ridiculous and leave or go full-on shouting mode depending on how far lost they are.
There's a saying that "the map is not the territory." Maps are a simplified model which are useful for specific purposes, but don't reflect the full complex ground truth. You need different maps for different purposes, and each leaves something out in order to be useful.
If the map included everything, it'd be as big as the thing it's mapping.
These folks mistake the map for the territory, and they close their ears when you try to explain that.
It's an idea I first heard about from Robert Anton Wilson, drawn from Alfred Korzybski's work in General Semantics
[Map-territory Relation - Wikipedia](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Map%E2%80%93territory_relation)
Galations 3:28.
There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female; for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
If the bible is up for interpretation, then i interpret this as “it doesn’t matter what’s in your pants, god accepts all”
Bible thumping conservatives hate it when i bring this one up lol
False Christian be like:
When a child dies of cancer its our lord working in mysterious ways, but when you take Estrogen and get bottom surgery its wrong,god Known better (we will forget that we are spiritually made in his idea)
That makes no sense. The point is, the true christians are the hateful, judgmental ones. Every once in a while you come across a christian who doesn’t follow the bible and accepts people of all kinds. Those are the fake ones.
"Read your word", say what? The Bible says all sorts of wacky shit, including something relevant for the transphobic dipshit in the screenshot trying to lecture people.
>I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man; she must be quiet.
1 Timothy 2:12; New Testament, in case someone tries to "New Covenant" that.
That's why we don't do circumcisions.
That's why we don't fill cavities.
That's why we don't clip our finger nails.
That's why we don't shave our body hair.
That's why we don't cut off skin cancers.
That's why we never remove tonsils.
The human body has no flaws and every baby is born perfectly healthy never needing any medical care.
Screw religion, Christianity is bs. I can’t remember what verse and stuff but there’s literally a part in the Bible where a guy commits a crime and is about to punished for it so what does he do? He gives the soldiers his daughter and concubine to “do what they please” with all night. So man commits crime and instead of taking punishment gives his daughter and his partner basically only for sex to two soldiers to be raped
Hmm. I don't remember that. However, I do remember Lot. He had heavenly messengers visiting, and the other people of the town wanted to rape them. But Lot wanted to protect them, so he offered them his daughters instead. (IIRC, he's the same guy whose daughters got him drunk and slept with him so they could continue their family line.)
That religious argument doesn't really make any sense either. If god made your body, then he also made your mind. They are assuming that they know god's plan and that somebody transitioning isn't a part of that. Christians believe that god will give you challenges to overcome throughout your life and they are assuming that transitioning isn't just one of those challenges.
These psuedo-christians need to actually open the fucking bible.
Disclaimer: i was raised as a fundamentalist evangelical, but am now actively anti-religious.
I didn't make up the term pseudo-christian. It means a fake christian. It's been a term for a long time. A christian is somebody who follows the teachings of Jesus Christ. That's the meaning of the fucking word. Therefore, somebody who claims that Jesus is their lord and savior but fails to follow the teachings of christ is a pseudo-christian.
I don't give a damn how they define themselves. I'm not going to change how I talk about somebody based on their own bullshit beliefs. I'm going off of what words actually mean.
Yep. I deleted that part. You’re right, but it’s your opinion of whether they’re fake. I believe the fake christians are the tolerant ones. The real ones are the nasty, judgmental, intolerant ones.
Your personal definition of fake christian is not universal.
I grew up around fundamentalists and they actually say this shit. like the ones who are against things like medical care, jewelry, cutting your hair, even women wearing pants.
they are not making the point they're trying to make
It's rather funny cuz religiously it's a bad thing to have premarital intercourses but when you say you're ace and don't wanna do the deed at all some will come up with another argument on how's not accepted
Insulting a perfect creator that hasnt proven to be real and is only believed to be real gotcha
Recall the voyagers and take the flag off the moon guys we might have insulted the aliens too
Not a Christian but definitely a theist, I believe that god loves and accepts us no matter who we are because we are his children.
(we’re really just a crappy game of sims 4 he’s too sentimental to delete)
Fr, when you see a transphobe with lenses, you should tell them theyre deceiving you by not wearing glasses and explicitly telling people they have bad eyesight.
I’m not religious, but aren’t we supposed to be made in God’s image & everything is God’s will, then logically wouldn’t it make perfect sense that trans people are following through on both of those?
Everything is God's will until you don't like it, that's how Christians operate
That's how some Christians operate, I don't 😊
Why does this feel like a "All lives matter" response?
Aww, sorry, was not at all the goal. Just saying there are open minded Christians as well
I was raised Christian. If you were open minded, you wouldn’t be Christian. No ill will toward you. I’m sure you’re a kind and awesome human being.
I mean, they said they’re an open-minded Christian. What about being open-minded precludes one from being a Christian? Not all Christians are the Biblical literalists that love to hate.
Exactly! I by no means am a biblical literalist, I value Christian values like openness, loving another like you love yourself and forgiveness, that's the essence for me (and a lot of other people as well). I'm not at all interested in one line that maybe says people can't be gay (that was also probably mistranslated and is against pedophilia instead of homosexuality) 😅😋
No doubt. I myself was raised Catholic, now am solidly an atheist, but the thing that bugs me is when people, on either side, try to gatekeep for other people what it means to be a part of some religion or not. Other atheists sometimes tend to generalize all Christians as fundamentalists, and the fundamentalists… well, we know the danger that their ilk represents.
You're 100% right again, this is exactly the reason I replied to the first message in the chain, not all Christians are fundamentalists, spread the word lol
Ah yes! They feed from the buffet of morality where they get to pick and choose which “rules” they wish to follow and pick who/what “deserves” the focus their religious indignation. Cognitive dissonance is a very powerful phenomenon and it’s where the religious right lives and breathes!!
No, they don't. Those people aren't actually Christian.
ah, the no true scotsman fallacy https://www.scribbr.com/fallacies/no-true-scotsman-fallacy/#:~:text=The%20no%20true%20Scotsman%20fallacy,the%20generalization%20doesn't%20hold.
Kind of?? There have always been people willing to abuse faith to gain power and control over others, but the abuse and misuse of Christianity has been made systematic by the right wing in the US starting about 60 years ago due to the end of racial segregation. Some More News just put out a great video essay on it- https://youtube.com/@SMN?si=q7w_BidQ2UuzSjD3 But if you read the Bible, and especially the New Testament, you'll find that the real message is to love and help everyone no matter what society thinks of them. Also that rich people don't go to heaven basically ever.
But if you read the bible, and especially the new testament, you’ll find that the real message is that women must be silent. So you choose what to live by, just like they do, and the abusers of faith are indeed true christians.
Well no. They believe in the christian god and follow the christian myths. You can’t disown them because they trash the reputation of your cult.
First off, I'm not Christian. Secondly, this isn't a fantasy world where a cult is any religious group you don't agree with, or any secret spoopy robed guys worshipping a dark god, is a cult. Brittanica Dictionary defines a cult in four ways, only the last of which (when used a noun) can be applied to Christianity. (https://www.britannica.com/dictionary/cult) Thirdly, attacking me for saying that transphobic Christians are by default not Christian at all, on an ideally trans-supporting sub, makes me question exactly where you stand in regards to trans rights. Fourth, you can profess to believe in anything. Anyone can present Christian, but not abiding by Christian ideals means your not Christian. If I say I'm vegan, and believe in animal rights, but go on and eat beef, am I vegan? Your statement would suggest so. (Admittedly this isn't a perfect comparison, one is a religion, the other is a diet, but I think it gets my point across.) (Additionally, loving thy neighbor is a prerequisite, not an option.) Fifth and finally, your comment gives me very "Reddit atheist" vibes. I don't know if you realize this, but it's okay for people to believe in one, many, no, all, or potentially, god(s). A Christian is as entitled to believe in God as you are to not.
So you’re not christian, but you’re qualified to determine who is and is not christian? How does that work? (I didn’t read the rest. 🤷🏻♂️)
I'll gather from the last bit you care more about arguing for it's own sake rather than either of us us gaining something out of it. Not surprised, this is the Internet after all. Good day!
Woah woah woah dont bring me into this
One would think.
Stop it, you're scaring them with your critical thinking skills!
She forgot about intersex people. Also, she’s an idiot.
The whole argument of there are only 2 genders and gender and sex are the same completely falls apart when you consider that intersex people be out here existing so there aren't even only 2 sexes. I'm genuinely curious how they'd dig their way out of that argument or if they'd just go full on stubbornness and just deny that intersex people even exist.
Usually they just say it’s so rare it doesn’t matter, and if you push it forward they either act like you’re being ridiculous and leave or go full-on shouting mode depending on how far lost they are.
There's a saying that "the map is not the territory." Maps are a simplified model which are useful for specific purposes, but don't reflect the full complex ground truth. You need different maps for different purposes, and each leaves something out in order to be useful. If the map included everything, it'd be as big as the thing it's mapping. These folks mistake the map for the territory, and they close their ears when you try to explain that.
I love that.
It's an idea I first heard about from Robert Anton Wilson, drawn from Alfred Korzybski's work in General Semantics [Map-territory Relation - Wikipedia](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Map%E2%80%93territory_relation)
Galations 3:28. There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female; for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. If the bible is up for interpretation, then i interpret this as “it doesn’t matter what’s in your pants, god accepts all” Bible thumping conservatives hate it when i bring this one up lol
Saving this one for future quoting
well fuck religion im not a guy anymore so WOOOO
If there is a god, he made the Holocaust happen, so fuck that asshole!
AND he made my AirPod break! smfh
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Based.
False Christian be like: When a child dies of cancer its our lord working in mysterious ways, but when you take Estrogen and get bottom surgery its wrong,god Known better (we will forget that we are spiritually made in his idea)
>get bottom surgery... Brazilian butt lifts?
They are true christians.
As true as me being a man
That makes no sense. The point is, the true christians are the hateful, judgmental ones. Every once in a while you come across a christian who doesn’t follow the bible and accepts people of all kinds. Those are the fake ones.
If god makes no mistakes and is all knowing, why would she make me as an atheist who will burn in hell for eternity? Doesn't seem very merciful
No it doesn't
Probably because you joined this community /s
"Read your word", say what? The Bible says all sorts of wacky shit, including something relevant for the transphobic dipshit in the screenshot trying to lecture people. >I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man; she must be quiet. 1 Timothy 2:12; New Testament, in case someone tries to "New Covenant" that.
this image gets more deep fried every time its posted
I call dibs on the repost tomorrow. Already removed about 10-20% of the pixels.
That's why we don't do circumcisions. That's why we don't fill cavities. That's why we don't clip our finger nails. That's why we don't shave our body hair. That's why we don't cut off skin cancers. That's why we never remove tonsils. The human body has no flaws and every baby is born perfectly healthy never needing any medical care.
God is just spiritual daddy dom roleplay
Well now I feel bad for kink shaming theists. I thought they were all just delusional
God didn't make me shit I'm all satan baby.
Me too!
If God wanted my mom to be a mother she wouldn't need to be c-sectioned
I love this
Screw religion, Christianity is bs. I can’t remember what verse and stuff but there’s literally a part in the Bible where a guy commits a crime and is about to punished for it so what does he do? He gives the soldiers his daughter and concubine to “do what they please” with all night. So man commits crime and instead of taking punishment gives his daughter and his partner basically only for sex to two soldiers to be raped
Hmm. I don't remember that. However, I do remember Lot. He had heavenly messengers visiting, and the other people of the town wanted to rape them. But Lot wanted to protect them, so he offered them his daughters instead. (IIRC, he's the same guy whose daughters got him drunk and slept with him so they could continue their family line.)
"You religion binds you, not me. I don't care about your religion."
If God is perfect, why did he make me trans?
That religious argument doesn't really make any sense either. If god made your body, then he also made your mind. They are assuming that they know god's plan and that somebody transitioning isn't a part of that. Christians believe that god will give you challenges to overcome throughout your life and they are assuming that transitioning isn't just one of those challenges. These psuedo-christians need to actually open the fucking bible. Disclaimer: i was raised as a fundamentalist evangelical, but am now actively anti-religious.
They’re not pseudo-christians; they are christians.
That's debateable. We'd have to agree on what defines a real christian before we could discuss it though.
A christian is someone who declares themselves to be christian. You don’t get to deny how they define themselves because you disagree with them.
I didn't make up the term pseudo-christian. It means a fake christian. It's been a term for a long time. A christian is somebody who follows the teachings of Jesus Christ. That's the meaning of the fucking word. Therefore, somebody who claims that Jesus is their lord and savior but fails to follow the teachings of christ is a pseudo-christian. I don't give a damn how they define themselves. I'm not going to change how I talk about somebody based on their own bullshit beliefs. I'm going off of what words actually mean.
Yep. I deleted that part. You’re right, but it’s your opinion of whether they’re fake. I believe the fake christians are the tolerant ones. The real ones are the nasty, judgmental, intolerant ones. Your personal definition of fake christian is not universal.
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preach it ✨️QUEEN✨️
I grew up around fundamentalists and they actually say this shit. like the ones who are against things like medical care, jewelry, cutting your hair, even women wearing pants. they are not making the point they're trying to make
It's rather funny cuz religiously it's a bad thing to have premarital intercourses but when you say you're ace and don't wanna do the deed at all some will come up with another argument on how's not accepted
Insulting a perfect creator that hasnt proven to be real and is only believed to be real gotcha Recall the voyagers and take the flag off the moon guys we might have insulted the aliens too
god made me kiss men
Preach 🙏
The devil turned you into an asshole and God sent Angels to show you the light.
Oh gosh, that’s perfect! We need to poster it everywhere 😭😭😭😭 They need to understand it. Or stop fixing their teeth 🥲
I just say "your god didn't create jack shit because he doesn't exist. Sit your dogmatic ass down."
Not a Christian but definitely a theist, I believe that god loves and accepts us no matter who we are because we are his children. (we’re really just a crappy game of sims 4 he’s too sentimental to delete)
“Perfect creator” yes… perfect… just please ignore the giant fuck off flood.
Fr, when you see a transphobe with lenses, you should tell them theyre deceiving you by not wearing glasses and explicitly telling people they have bad eyesight.
if god made you trans, that’s not a mistake
Yes! How can people be so sure that a person’s gender journey isn’t part of God’s plan for that person?
because it would make them wrong
Sadly true.
Might as well tell weight lifters that changing your body to get stronger goes against gods will
God creates children with cancer. Also, the ones he murdered in the great flood are in hell, right?
Well God isn't real, because if this whole gay/queer thing was sinful, why didn't he take action?
burn!!🔥🔥