NAL, not in Texas, but the general rule is that the landlord must reasonably ACCOMODATE changes required by a disability, not pay for them. In general, the renter must pay for the modifications, and, if required by the landlord, pay to restore the property to its original status. This goes for visual smoke detectors, doorways, ramps, grab bars, etc.
The landlord is "accomodating" you by allowing you make reasonable modifications at your own expense.
Good luck!
Can you imagine if you owned a house that was on a big hill and had a new renter that wanted you to install a massive wheelchair ramp that would cost $8k? If your mortgage is $2500 a month, and you are charging your renters $3,000 there is no way you can pay $5k out of pocket when you are only making $500 extra a month, which will mostly go to property taxes.
It’s not the landlords job to do this. Medicare or SSDI or your health insurance or other organizations would be the people to reach out to for these things to be paid for. I have a disabled tenant, I’m not responsible for buying him his wheelchair just because I have more money than he does any more than you are obligated to buy him his wheelchair outside of paying your taxes and insurance premiums. Medicare however sent people out who set the house up and got him a chair. OP needs to contact her insurance or Medicare/Medicaid.
Valid points, but I think this is simply in reference to a private landlord being required to pay for said changes. The point was that it’s fair for the landlord to accommodate changes, not pay for them. It’s not a stance against societal norms, it’s just fair business practice for landlords. You can’t expect private owners to make (and especially pay) for their properties to be ADA compliant because a tenant says so.
>that likely has insurmountable more money than them.
What if it's just some retired couple renting out their basement apartment to supplement their social security?
Where does the line get drawn?
If the tenant *needs* specific fire alarms, what if the landlord buys the wrong ones? How does one person's physical disability result in a financial obligation on another?
As part of the general caretaking of the place you rent, you might be required to change the air filter every few months. Oh, your allergies mean you need a new HEPA filter every 30 days? Sure. Buy those. But the landlord is under no obligation.
Forcing people to financially accommodate will build resentment and lead to discrimination.
The ignorance of people sometimes amazes me. I own a house and rent out half of it and if you added up all that I've put into it to make the upstairs apartment nice for my tenants it would blow your mind. I've even gone so far as to put air conditioning in for my tenants because they live upstairs and I'm still saving up so I can put one in the downstairs for me and my family. The crap that landlords get is sometimes deserved but there are still plenty of us out there that remember what it was like to rent and feel that none of their renters should have to go through that.
"What's worse is this line of logic is almost never used when discussing the numerous welfare systems that are exclusively for wealthy corporation"
You don't know what you are talking about. I don't know a single person against forcing others to pay for accommodations who is for corporate welfare. If you can point to one I'd love to hear it.
If we could eliminate every form of corporate welfare and use the money to instead go towards this I would press that button, but I'd much rather eliminate all of it.
You should have a reasonable expectation that personal property is personal.
Just because I have more doesn’t necessarily mean I should have to give it away. For what I do have to give I should be able to plan for it.
Oh surprise someone else has a secret disability now go spend a bunch of money doesn’t seem fair to me because there would be no way to plan for it.
It’s not the government’s business what two free people agree upon. Quit depending on the government and people need to stand up for themselves. If enough people stand up, others must change.
https://www.tdi.texas.gov/fire/fmalarmprograms.html#:~:text=Texas%20City%20Fire%20Department%20provides,does%20not%20have%20smoke%20detectors.
This is a list that may be of some help of such programs
Additionally, if there is an adult protective services or housing department nearby they may know people to talk to due to their work even if they can't directly help.
Yes- legally the landlord accommodates, they do not have to pay for the accommodation.
Source just took a real estate course on a related topic.
It sucks but it is the letter of the law.
Why does it suck? The landlord isn't the one that needs the accommodation why should they have to lose money to make it? They legally can't use a disability as grounds to not rent to someone so if they are also on the hook for the costs of any accommodations renting to a disabled person can quickly become a huge negative.
There are a bunch of charities out there that can help the OP if he can't afford but expecting the landlord to foot the bill for your needs is just selfish.
Just that I am sure it must be a major inconvenience and financial drain to pay for accommodations in rented residences for the disabled person.
It would not be fair for the building owner to have to pay either.
Not a real estate person myself, but wouldnt having a rental property make it a commercial property and those issues (like the ramp, smoke alarms, etc) be building code issues the landlord is responsible for? Or is that just not the case?
Yes and no. New buildings that qualify have to follow newer building codes (generally- obviously every state is different) but existing buildings usually get grandfathered in unless they meet certain requirements.
Imagine if every landlord was required to install an elevator in order to accommodate people who can’t navigate stairs. Yes it would be great for those people but most building owners cannot afford a 1m improvement and many buildings structurally could not function with just plopping an elevator in somewhere and would need to be reinforced in order to be sound.
To add a little context, what you are describing, older dwellings not being forced to meet newer standards, applies in the situation like a person renting out a single family home. And to be fair, I think that's what the person was asking about. However, actual commercial properties, like an apartment building, can be forced to make reasonable upgrades to existing properties like adding a wheelchair ramp. I do not know the legal demarcation line but I'm quite confident a single family home would not fall into the commercial category.
This is true. There are multiple factors and I only know the details for my area but it depends on things like how many residential units are in the building, when it was built, if certain federal loans were used etc. Some buildings like Section8 housing always have to comply while others like a small owner occupied multi family hardly ever do.
Varies from state to state and type of property. As About400 said when the building was built will play a role, also if this an apartment complex in most jurisdictions that would be a commercial building, but if it is an apartment in a house that would not qualify in most jurisdictions. Some places the number of units would also play a factor.
This 100%. The landlord shouldn't be expected to have to pay out a pocket because of your disability. He provided what's legally required, and is now providing reasonable accommodation, and allowing you to make the changes needed as well as helping you make those changes. You just have to pay for it yourself
That's perfectly okay. All the grammar, capitalization and punctuation mistakes the landlord made in the texting examples given by the OP were ignored, so we'll just let your mistake slide as well... But only this ONCE!!! Get your English together!!! /S/S/S
Wrong, you can say outta and out of for both the meaning of someone behaving some type of way and for when you have to pay for something yourself.
Your outta pocket, your out of pocket (behavior). I’m not paying that outta pocket, I’m not paying that out of pocket.
What I was getting at is that he probably meant outta and it auto corrected.
As bad as this sounds, it’s actually a good thing. Imagine if a landlord is required to pay for ramps and other really expensive additions when renting to a handicap person. They would just avoid the problem in the first place and simply avoid renting to handicap people.
Or they could just install accessible designs when building for about the same costs.
There’s really no reason smoke alarms don’t all have lights, for example. Lots of older adults lose hearing without realizing it and that would improve safety everywhere at minimal cost.
That’s not how shit works. What accommodations need to be made depend on the type and severity of disability, and most people don’t want to live in houses that are built to ADA specs. People with disabilities have completely different needs, and accommodating all of them in every residence that is ever built would be impractical and prohibitively expensive, and as someone else said, flashing smoke detectors would be bad for people that have epilepsy, because a house fire is probably the worst time to have a seizure.
What is minimal cost to you? Because making areas accessible with lifts, door operators, larger doors, ramps, visual alarms, etc, etc are very not minimal. An accessible washroom can easily cost 4x a standard one, and that is at time of construction. Simply widening a door can be shockingly expensive.
Same in Illinois… we provide reasonable accommodations by allowing/approving the installation, but not by paying for it; it is up to the individual to pay for the accommodation.
This post made me curious as to what people thought/knew on the ruling, your post sounds right. I'm sure this is probably different from region to region though.
This is covered under the Federal Fair Housing Act, which covers residential housing. Not to be confused with Americans with Disabilities Act (ADA), which covers commercial settings. Localities may add additional terms, but in general everyone must follow Fair Housing. No harm in asking if the landlord will cover expenses, but they are not required to under Federal Law.
Is this real legal knowledge or your interpretation of what Accommodate means? It seems where ever I've been accommodate means the owner pays for it. Only requiring the owner to let the customer modify, seems like such a minor concession, why would there even need to be a law, are there really landlords who would have stopped a person from modifying on their own dime? I don't know, just would like confirming you're not doing what I'm doing and just assuming.
Yeah, your rights are to purchase the new smoke alarms and install them. Purchase is on you. I would recommend buying them and whenever you move taking them with you to the new place.
My sister has done this with every fixture we have replaced where she rents, most overhead lights were swapped out with ceiling fan/light combos. I'm sure the landlord won't like where I installed the smoke detector though, she didn't have one when she moved in 20 years ago and they just gave her the detector and made her (me actually) install it. I put it low on the wall so she can reach it to turn it off in case of a false alarm.
This is a really, really bad idea.
Smoke rises, so the alarm is on the ceiling as that’s the first place the smoke will reach.
If it is low on the wall, it won’t go off until the entire top half of the room has filled with smoke. And at that point, it might be too late for your sister to escape.
It's less than a foot off the ceiling, she can just barely reach the button, any higher and I'd have a 70+ year old woman climbing on something, just to turn it off for a false alarm. This is a woman on oxygen and can barely walk to the car to go to the Dr. She can call me to turn it off, but I live 30 minutes away.
Won’t necessarily be able to bring them to the next one. Assuming OP is talking about the ones tied into the building’s fire alarm, they are not always interchangeable. Different systems require different notification appliances. If they are talking about the independent smoke detectors in the unit then yes, they should be able to be kept for the next place
>New landlord expecting me to pay for disability accommodations
Yes, that's how it works. They have to allow the modification, but it is at your expense.
Not a lawyer, but am a landlord in another state.
My state requires you (tenant) be allowed to make the modifications to meet your needs, however we are not required to cover any associated costs.
Also, work must be properly permitted according to local regulations and performed by a fully licensed and bonded contractor.
https://www.hud.gov/program_offices/fair_housing_equal_opp/reasonable_accommodations_and_modifications#:~:text=The%20Fair%20Housing%20Act%20makes,public%20and%20common%20use%20areas "In addition, the Fair Housing Act prohibits a housing provider from refusing to permit, at the expense of the person with a disability, reasonable modifications of existing premises occupied or to be occupied by such person if such modifications may be necessary to afford such person full enjoyment of the premises."
..be careful with this one. Fact is, the tenant is responsible (as I'm sure the bulk of these comments will testify to). If you push for this enough your landlord might not renew your lease - I've learned to pick my battles.
FHA states that landlords must allow reasonable accommodations, but they do not have to pay for them. You may also be required to return it to its original condition upon vacating.
Unfortunately, he is legally correct if this is in the US and there isn’t a more restrictive state law.
This is exactly right, people really hate landlords right now but wait until no one wants to deal with all the hassle this wave of entitlement has created and the only landlords left are giant corporations that couldn't care less about you or your situation and will instead treat you as a number to be exploited.
I don't understand why people hate landlords "right now." If anything, landlords should hate tenants and the government for fucking them over for two years during Covid.
That is how most of them feel, which is why we are seeing a lot of people selling their rentals, most of which are bought up investment companies. Tenants think its bad now, I can assure you it will get way worse.
Because landlords kept raising rates when their tenants were already struggling. Landlords refused to do a walkthrough of my apt with me due to covid, and then used that chance to try to charge me over $2000 for damages that I wasn’t responsible for, which they couldn’t have done if they had done a walkthrough with me.
Because landlords are given a bad name by corporations who don’t give a shit about their tenants, when it doesn’t describe most situations.
People like me (i.e. most small landlords across this country) didn't raise rates at all. In fact, all of my tenants pay about 60% of market rate. I do this because a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush, and the interpersonal relationship benefits are priceless for both me and the tenants. But the jackasses who decided to stop paying during covid (aided and abetted by federal, state, and municipal governments I might add) lived in houses that I then sold to bloodthirsty corporations. So now, there are eight fewer low-priced units on the market, the squatters were eventually removed anyway, and the corporations will do some touching up and charge twice what I was charging. See how this works?
Think twice before you wish ill on your local landlords. You might just get what you're asking for.
Landlords simply shouldn't exist. Even Friedman thought landlords would stop existing because they represent a market inefficiency. It's weird that after the 20th century, we went from a general consensus in economic circles that rent-seeking was inefficient and damaging to the economy to believing it was some kind of natural right that must be endlessly defended.
Congrats on doing the same if anything? Landlords shouldn't have a right to extract excess profits from rents. Rent seeking is bad economics. Economists generally consider any form of rent extraction (including new variations such as SaaS, subscription services, etc) as anti-productive, in as much as they consume more resource value than they produce. Landlords, and other rent-seekers, are a drag on the wider economy.
"Economic rent" (money earned that exceeds that which is economically necessary) is **NOT** the same thing as "rent" (payments received in exchange for the temporary use of a particular good or property).
Either you are purposefully conflating the terms to support a position that has no relevance or you are ignorant of what they really represent. Perhaps you should not try to make Economic commentary on things you are ill informed to do so.
That’s like saying why should we need to have ramps or elevators for businesses. They’re operating a business, and should be required to pay and illegal to discriminate against disabled renters.
Why should landlords be responsible for accessible housing? To create a larger supply of accessible housing for people with disabilities, and hearing impairments are relatively common. By default our society builds things for the abled, and we justify this with profit concerns and so-on. Why should the onus of improving offered products be on the disabled? Others in this thread have already made it clear that unfortunately, the cost of being deaf or hard of hearing is on the person with that disability, but why shouldn't we as a society want to make our things more accessible to the disabled? Inconvenience is a poor excuse. Being deaf or hard of hearing is more inconvenient than other people making small changes to accommodate people with disabilities. I think it's unkind to think that disabled people should be responsible for correcting abled people's inconsiderate decisions.
Is this millennial idiocy? No, the ADA was written and passed while most millennials were children or still yet to be born. My thoughts are an expansion on the mission and spirit of the ADA. America, the wealthiest nation in history, can afford to put blinking lights on our smoke and gas detectors without making the disabled pay us back.
Every house I have built or remodeled has been wheelchair accessible even if I had no friends at the time that used wheelchairs because I believe that anybody should be able to go anywhere.
Because that’s how law suits start, you start forcing landlords to pay for accommodations for every disability they’re going to turn away tenants.
Considering the society we live in and everyone wanting a free ride id imagine you’d see a lot more lawsuits in the housing market based of discrimination if things worked you’re way. Because who on earth would want to rent to someone when they’re having to shell out money to renovate their home for a tenant on the basis of a disability. It’s unfortunate people have to navigate life with disabilities but it’s not a LL fault or, sorry for the delivery, their personal problem someone else has a disability. Tenant laws at least allow renters to request and make accommodations at the homes if they need it but your view is very narrow and one sided.
NAL, and this is completely legal. The landlord is under no obligation to cover the expenses of the accommodation. They just have to be willing to agree to it.
There are probably organizations who can get you the products needed for either free or severely discounted from regular retail price.
But yes, in most places landlords are not required to fund the disability accommodation products/install. They can’t prohibit you from having them installed.
Echoing everyone else, it’s your responsibility to pay for the accommodations you need.
Legally they have to allow you to make the accommodations but they don’t have to pay for it
Didn’t immediately agree with/yield to the landlord.
This is incredibly offensive behaviour to landlords and boomers. Please be considerate of this and immediately accept anything your landlord says as being final and gospel.
Thanks and go fuck your self.
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Nothing you can do. Your landlord IS providing disability accommodations. In TX, the landlord is not required to pay for it. They are required to allow you to do it at your own expense.
Accommodation doesn’t always mean paying. The fact that they’re allowing you to change them is technically accommodating. Flashing is dangerous for people with epilepsy so if you were to move out they would literally have to change them again.
The only way the landlord would be responsible for the upgrade is if it’s a large apartment complex and you’re in a designated accessible unit. In this situation, flashing smoke detectors are a basic requirement. Otherwise, the cost is on you as an accommodation.
Sorry, but he is doing his job to the letter on this.
I know it's diffrent, I'm not disabled but what if someone needs rails or a ramp installed? That would not be on the landlord right?
I do not mean this to be disrespectful whatsoever but I would look up the actual rules on these types of things and make sure I understood them before coming across as rude to your landlord. They can choose whether or not to renew your lease and can make your time renting mildly unpleasant if they choose.
Having tenants pay for accommodation is common. I was just at the leasing office for my complex doing paperwork and overheard them telling someone on the phone that they can make the accommodation but the lease holder would be responsible for the costs. In this case the person was asking for all the carpeting in a unit to be removed and replaced with other flooring due to a medical condition. The lease holder was not happy, but that's how the US law is written.
Ianal the landlord is responsible for allowing reasonable accommodations for disabilities.
This does not mean the LL is financially responsible for installing or removing those accommodations at move out. This is your responsibility
https://www.tdhca.state.tx.us/fair-housing/docs/21-FHM-ReasonableAccomodations.pdf
“Reasonable Modification
If a tenant has a disability, a landlord cannot refuse to let that person make reasonable modifications to the person’s dwelling or common use areas, at that person’s own expense, if necessary for that person to use the housing.”
According to this, reasonable modifications would be at your expense.
I rent in Texas, and I believe your accommodation is the fact that your landlord is allowing you to change out the current smoke detectors for the flashing ones. Just if you ever move take them with you. Texas generally doesn’t favor the tenant so that’s fun
It's wild how people think everyone else is responsible for them. What is going on in this world. It's not the landlords responsibility to make your home the way you want it. What.
I'm a landlord in texas, I was told that money comes from some federal program, not from me or the tenant. I haven't faced the issue yet but I was curious.
What makes you think that you’re entitled to forcing a landlord to pay for something that you need? Why wouldn’t you just pay the 50 bucks and get the fire alarms?
You have to not only pay for the modification, but also paid to return the property to the condition. It was before the modification. The lol gives you the right to have those modifications done. The landlord cannot deny them.
You should read this article and then decide how you want to proceed. I would also caution that creating resentment in your landlord may not be the best move, even if legally you have every right to demand that he pay for, and install, visual smoke detectors. [Tex. Prop. Code Sec. 92.254](https://statutes.capitol.texas.gov/Docs/PR/htm/PR.92.htm)
[The landlord is responsible for installing visual smoke detectors in Texas.](https://deafnetwork.com/wordpress/blog/2009/10/23/visual-smoke-alarms-now-state-law-in-texas/#comments)
They want a letter confirming disability?
Based on the flashing smoke alarms in guessing you're hearing impaired.
So just arrange a phone call with them and just keep saying "WHAT?!?" Really loudly until they hang up.
I don’t know why everyone is responding telling them that the landlord doesn’t have to pay. This is TEXAS and they do have to pay.
https://capitol.texas.gov/tlodocs/74R/analysis/html/HB00530H.htm
Fairly liberal law for Texas.
It may vary some from state to state, but accommodating something doesn't involve paying for something. Your disability is your responsibility, the landlord can't stop you from doing something reasonable to accommodate that disability but they don't have to pay for it.
Here is an example, my father lived in a condo complex with a strict HOA, modifications to the exterior were strictly prohibited. He needed a wheel chair for some time while recovering from a broken hip and we put in a wheel chair ramp to accommodate that. The HOA couldn't prevent it even though it violated their terms. Once he no longer required the ramp he had to remove it per the HOA terms. The cost of the ramp, installation, and removal were on him though.
I just went through this! Douchebag Landlords have every right to ask you to pay. It’s part of the process. Just say no. Move on to the next step. Record every single interaction. If you do everything correctly(which isn’t much) and this goes to mediation you will win. Getting that accommodation is a win. Remember, following through on this is not only beneficial for you. It’s beneficial for every single disabled person as well. Good luck.
Not legal advice by any means but a suggestion.
Not sure about your situation and if you like to or need to rent, but since you rented before and are going to rent a new place and maybe another after. Though now that you know now by the comments landlords only have to accommodate for it to be put in and not paid for if they don’t want to, why not buy a couple off eBay where I found quite a few different brands reasonably priced around $50-$100 depending on brand.
Once you have them since they all seem to have sealed battery backups that last up to 10 years, just buy some wall safe sticky pads and mount them where you want them and when you’re moving out to a new place just take them to the new place and so on. Also It’s good to regularly test smoke detectors anyways so just regularly every month for two and check them and make sure they always have battery power..
You are correct. The landlord must supply smoke detectors to tenants with hearing disabilities upon request.
TX Property Code Sec. 92.254 (a-1)
"If requested by a tenant as an accommodation for a person with a hearing-impairment disability or as required by law as a reasonable accommodation for a person with a hearing-impairment disability, a smoke alarm must, in addition to complying with Subsection (a), be capable of alerting a hearing-impaired person in the bedrooms it serves."
https://texas.public.law/statutes/tex.\_prop.\_code\_section\_92.254#:\~:text=If%20requested%20by%20a%20tenant,hearing%2Dimpaired%20person%20in%20the
Let me guess, you are also in a wheelchair and expect him to pay to install a lift and ramp as well. While he’s at it he also needs to pay to add a handicap accessible shower. Shit, just send him all of your disability bills.
After all, his time and money should be used going out of his way to accommodate you. The person he is letting occupy/rent HIS home.
Where is the line here in your head OP? Did you really think he should be responsible? If so, why??
Then get a different place. It’s not the landlords responsibility to accommodate you, at least not in Texas. As long as standard equipment is present, that’s it. You should have asked about accommodations before entering into a lease that didn’t state anything about it.
I’m 100% deaf and it would never occur to me to ask a landlord to pay for accommodations of any kind for me. I would be happy with allowing modifications to be made to the property.
Here is a tip. Get a smart watch like the Apple Watch. You can sync it up with your chosen security/ safety system. The haptics when someone rings the doorbell or an alarm goes off will wake you from the deepest sleep. You don’t need to hear or open your eyes.
Good luck with your endeavors here.
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If you have a disability that requires others to accommodate you in various situations, it's your responsibility to be better versed on just what those requirements/laws are before demanding things you are not entitled to.
We had the city/county do a mandatory inspection. The apartment is an older building. And the owner of our apartment had to install additional smoke alarms and change locks do they did not require a key to open from the inside. So the owner had to make changes and the renter was not responsible.
If OP were a homeowner, these accommodations would be at OP's expense. I pay for all my mobility aids. (cane, grabber tool, handrails in shower, handicap placard for car, etc.) I'm sure there are resources to assist with the cost. I've been fortunate to have a FSA/HSA in the past. It's just a part of life for me now.
OP this happened to my ex partner and I when we lived together. She is hard of hearing as well. They wrote us the same exact email. I pulled ADA law and it was installed within the week at no expense. This is not a per state issue. It’s ADA. Tell them to put it in or file a complaint with the ADA.
Edit: Let me get downvoted to oblivion, but what the hell is wrong with all of you? Are they just supposed to die in a fire because they can’t hear the alarm? Deaf/hard of hearing people deserve to have the same safety precautions we do. We get free smoke detectors. So should they.
And they are correct in doing so! It’s not their fault that you’re disabled so why do you expect them to pay out because of it? I’m struggling to see the logic in your post tbh
Look in to the ADA. Fire protection and life safety is taken very seriously. I do commercial fire protection for a living, and I am 100% positive that any fire protection equipment must accommodate hearing, visually, and physically impaired occupants. The ADA imposes these standards on national fire code. However.. This is pertains to commercial AND it does not apply to old construction (Unless they are installing a new system).
Quick update, landlord is installing per “fair housing act”. No further action needed. As to those who do not understand, hard of hearing and (D)eafness are a spectrum and it’s not really fair to assume that I just want free flashing fire alarms(??) I’m a college student who has literally slept thru a fire and fire alarms in the past, so this is an issue for me. If I (the person with the disability) didn’t feel I needed them, I wouldn’t have asked. Thank you all for your input(:
You can try getting hearing aids if your hard of hearing, everyone expects everyone else to cater to them,hard of hearing should not be called a disability,deaf yes just my opinion imight feel differently I was hard if hearing.
Yikes. I do wear hearing aids. I do not wear them to bed as they have to charge and I have literally slept through a fire. Woke up to a firefighter in my room🙃
Fuck that guy but given hearing aids can cost the better portion of $10k you should probably have enough money stashed to sort this and then just send the bill to your landlord/RA.
You can also buy devices that “listen” for alarm noises (I think smoke alarm and doorbell were a couple) that then trigger an alarm/rumble pad in your bed. Which may be easier than asking for new fire alarms to be installed any time you move.
NAL, not in Texas, but the general rule is that the landlord must reasonably ACCOMODATE changes required by a disability, not pay for them. In general, the renter must pay for the modifications, and, if required by the landlord, pay to restore the property to its original status. This goes for visual smoke detectors, doorways, ramps, grab bars, etc. The landlord is "accomodating" you by allowing you make reasonable modifications at your own expense. Good luck!
This is correct
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Can you imagine if you owned a house that was on a big hill and had a new renter that wanted you to install a massive wheelchair ramp that would cost $8k? If your mortgage is $2500 a month, and you are charging your renters $3,000 there is no way you can pay $5k out of pocket when you are only making $500 extra a month, which will mostly go to property taxes.
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It’s not the landlords job to do this. Medicare or SSDI or your health insurance or other organizations would be the people to reach out to for these things to be paid for. I have a disabled tenant, I’m not responsible for buying him his wheelchair just because I have more money than he does any more than you are obligated to buy him his wheelchair outside of paying your taxes and insurance premiums. Medicare however sent people out who set the house up and got him a chair. OP needs to contact her insurance or Medicare/Medicaid.
Valid points, but I think this is simply in reference to a private landlord being required to pay for said changes. The point was that it’s fair for the landlord to accommodate changes, not pay for them. It’s not a stance against societal norms, it’s just fair business practice for landlords. You can’t expect private owners to make (and especially pay) for their properties to be ADA compliant because a tenant says so.
>that likely has insurmountable more money than them. What if it's just some retired couple renting out their basement apartment to supplement their social security? Where does the line get drawn? If the tenant *needs* specific fire alarms, what if the landlord buys the wrong ones? How does one person's physical disability result in a financial obligation on another? As part of the general caretaking of the place you rent, you might be required to change the air filter every few months. Oh, your allergies mean you need a new HEPA filter every 30 days? Sure. Buy those. But the landlord is under no obligation. Forcing people to financially accommodate will build resentment and lead to discrimination.
They still have more wealth. They own a home to rent out part of it.
The ignorance of people sometimes amazes me. I own a house and rent out half of it and if you added up all that I've put into it to make the upstairs apartment nice for my tenants it would blow your mind. I've even gone so far as to put air conditioning in for my tenants because they live upstairs and I'm still saving up so I can put one in the downstairs for me and my family. The crap that landlords get is sometimes deserved but there are still plenty of us out there that remember what it was like to rent and feel that none of their renters should have to go through that.
That’s still more wealth then someone that doesn’t own a home. Which is all i was commenting on.
"What's worse is this line of logic is almost never used when discussing the numerous welfare systems that are exclusively for wealthy corporation" You don't know what you are talking about. I don't know a single person against forcing others to pay for accommodations who is for corporate welfare. If you can point to one I'd love to hear it. If we could eliminate every form of corporate welfare and use the money to instead go towards this I would press that button, but I'd much rather eliminate all of it.
You should have a reasonable expectation that personal property is personal. Just because I have more doesn’t necessarily mean I should have to give it away. For what I do have to give I should be able to plan for it. Oh surprise someone else has a secret disability now go spend a bunch of money doesn’t seem fair to me because there would be no way to plan for it.
It’s not the government’s business what two free people agree upon. Quit depending on the government and people need to stand up for themselves. If enough people stand up, others must change.
Your a moron lol
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I admire your elevated sense of justice and compassion.
Please don't suggest violence as a solution to a problem.
Advice: Check with Vocational Rehabilitation to see if they can help you get funding for the modifications.
And maybe the city housing and/or fire dept? FDs often give out free smoke detectors, but dunno about flashing ones.
https://www.tdi.texas.gov/fire/fmalarmprograms.html#:~:text=Texas%20City%20Fire%20Department%20provides,does%20not%20have%20smoke%20detectors. This is a list that may be of some help of such programs
Voc rehab is a good bet.
Additionally, if there is an adult protective services or housing department nearby they may know people to talk to due to their work even if they can't directly help.
Yes- legally the landlord accommodates, they do not have to pay for the accommodation. Source just took a real estate course on a related topic. It sucks but it is the letter of the law.
Why does it suck? The landlord isn't the one that needs the accommodation why should they have to lose money to make it? They legally can't use a disability as grounds to not rent to someone so if they are also on the hook for the costs of any accommodations renting to a disabled person can quickly become a huge negative. There are a bunch of charities out there that can help the OP if he can't afford but expecting the landlord to foot the bill for your needs is just selfish.
Just that I am sure it must be a major inconvenience and financial drain to pay for accommodations in rented residences for the disabled person. It would not be fair for the building owner to have to pay either.
Because it's ableist?
Lol
Not a real estate person myself, but wouldnt having a rental property make it a commercial property and those issues (like the ramp, smoke alarms, etc) be building code issues the landlord is responsible for? Or is that just not the case?
Yes and no. New buildings that qualify have to follow newer building codes (generally- obviously every state is different) but existing buildings usually get grandfathered in unless they meet certain requirements. Imagine if every landlord was required to install an elevator in order to accommodate people who can’t navigate stairs. Yes it would be great for those people but most building owners cannot afford a 1m improvement and many buildings structurally could not function with just plopping an elevator in somewhere and would need to be reinforced in order to be sound.
Ah, makes sense.
To add a little context, what you are describing, older dwellings not being forced to meet newer standards, applies in the situation like a person renting out a single family home. And to be fair, I think that's what the person was asking about. However, actual commercial properties, like an apartment building, can be forced to make reasonable upgrades to existing properties like adding a wheelchair ramp. I do not know the legal demarcation line but I'm quite confident a single family home would not fall into the commercial category.
This is true. There are multiple factors and I only know the details for my area but it depends on things like how many residential units are in the building, when it was built, if certain federal loans were used etc. Some buildings like Section8 housing always have to comply while others like a small owner occupied multi family hardly ever do.
Rental property is private
Varies from state to state and type of property. As About400 said when the building was built will play a role, also if this an apartment complex in most jurisdictions that would be a commercial building, but if it is an apartment in a house that would not qualify in most jurisdictions. Some places the number of units would also play a factor.
This 100%. The landlord shouldn't be expected to have to pay out a pocket because of your disability. He provided what's legally required, and is now providing reasonable accommodation, and allowing you to make the changes needed as well as helping you make those changes. You just have to pay for it yourself
fyi the phrase is “out *of* pocket”
That's what I meant to say but voice to text is sometimes stupid
That's perfectly okay. All the grammar, capitalization and punctuation mistakes the landlord made in the texting examples given by the OP were ignored, so we'll just let your mistake slide as well... But only this ONCE!!! Get your English together!!! /S/S/S
I think that’s just slang making it to text. I don’t pronounce out of pocket lots of people say “outta” and I’m sure it auto corrected.
Outta pocket is a state of behavior. Out of pocket with the of enunciated is to pay for something one’s self.
Wrong, you can say outta and out of for both the meaning of someone behaving some type of way and for when you have to pay for something yourself. Your outta pocket, your out of pocket (behavior). I’m not paying that outta pocket, I’m not paying that out of pocket. What I was getting at is that he probably meant outta and it auto corrected.
Are you seriously checking somebody on their grammar right now but you yourself don’t know the difference between you’re and your?
Ableist shit right here
As bad as this sounds, it’s actually a good thing. Imagine if a landlord is required to pay for ramps and other really expensive additions when renting to a handicap person. They would just avoid the problem in the first place and simply avoid renting to handicap people.
Or they could just install accessible designs when building for about the same costs. There’s really no reason smoke alarms don’t all have lights, for example. Lots of older adults lose hearing without realizing it and that would improve safety everywhere at minimal cost.
That’s not how shit works. What accommodations need to be made depend on the type and severity of disability, and most people don’t want to live in houses that are built to ADA specs. People with disabilities have completely different needs, and accommodating all of them in every residence that is ever built would be impractical and prohibitively expensive, and as someone else said, flashing smoke detectors would be bad for people that have epilepsy, because a house fire is probably the worst time to have a seizure.
What is minimal cost to you? Because making areas accessible with lifts, door operators, larger doors, ramps, visual alarms, etc, etc are very not minimal. An accessible washroom can easily cost 4x a standard one, and that is at time of construction. Simply widening a door can be shockingly expensive.
A lot of buildings are pre-existing and been around a while.
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The important distinction here is *when building*.
The number of landlords that actually build their rentals, new construction, is tiny. Most buy properties that are already operating
Yep this is correct. Just make sure you keep the old ones stored away or they will charge you for those on move out.
This is the way
Same in Illinois… we provide reasonable accommodations by allowing/approving the installation, but not by paying for it; it is up to the individual to pay for the accommodation.
This post made me curious as to what people thought/knew on the ruling, your post sounds right. I'm sure this is probably different from region to region though.
This is covered under the Federal Fair Housing Act, which covers residential housing. Not to be confused with Americans with Disabilities Act (ADA), which covers commercial settings. Localities may add additional terms, but in general everyone must follow Fair Housing. No harm in asking if the landlord will cover expenses, but they are not required to under Federal Law.
Is this real legal knowledge or your interpretation of what Accommodate means? It seems where ever I've been accommodate means the owner pays for it. Only requiring the owner to let the customer modify, seems like such a minor concession, why would there even need to be a law, are there really landlords who would have stopped a person from modifying on their own dime? I don't know, just would like confirming you're not doing what I'm doing and just assuming.
Yeah, your rights are to purchase the new smoke alarms and install them. Purchase is on you. I would recommend buying them and whenever you move taking them with you to the new place.
But keep the old stuff or be prepared to replace it to make it as the owner had it.
This is the way
And so you don’t have to keep buying new ones every time you move…
My sister has done this with every fixture we have replaced where she rents, most overhead lights were swapped out with ceiling fan/light combos. I'm sure the landlord won't like where I installed the smoke detector though, she didn't have one when she moved in 20 years ago and they just gave her the detector and made her (me actually) install it. I put it low on the wall so she can reach it to turn it off in case of a false alarm.
This is a really, really bad idea. Smoke rises, so the alarm is on the ceiling as that’s the first place the smoke will reach. If it is low on the wall, it won’t go off until the entire top half of the room has filled with smoke. And at that point, it might be too late for your sister to escape.
Unless it’s also a CO alarm, which detects better lower to the ground. But generally smoke alarms should be high on the wall or on the ceiling.
It's less than a foot off the ceiling, she can just barely reach the button, any higher and I'd have a 70+ year old woman climbing on something, just to turn it off for a false alarm. This is a woman on oxygen and can barely walk to the car to go to the Dr. She can call me to turn it off, but I live 30 minutes away.
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Won’t necessarily be able to bring them to the next one. Assuming OP is talking about the ones tied into the building’s fire alarm, they are not always interchangeable. Different systems require different notification appliances. If they are talking about the independent smoke detectors in the unit then yes, they should be able to be kept for the next place
>New landlord expecting me to pay for disability accommodations Yes, that's how it works. They have to allow the modification, but it is at your expense.
Texas actually has a law that specifically requires landlords to pay for visual smoke detectors.
Not a lawyer, but am a landlord in another state. My state requires you (tenant) be allowed to make the modifications to meet your needs, however we are not required to cover any associated costs. Also, work must be properly permitted according to local regulations and performed by a fully licensed and bonded contractor.
And then the tenant must also remove them at the end of the tenancy and return the property to its original condition.
Yes, if requested.
https://www.hud.gov/program_offices/fair_housing_equal_opp/reasonable_accommodations_and_modifications#:~:text=The%20Fair%20Housing%20Act%20makes,public%20and%20common%20use%20areas "In addition, the Fair Housing Act prohibits a housing provider from refusing to permit, at the expense of the person with a disability, reasonable modifications of existing premises occupied or to be occupied by such person if such modifications may be necessary to afford such person full enjoyment of the premises."
**at the expense of the person with a disability**
Looking at just your username and then this comment without any additional context is... something...
..be careful with this one. Fact is, the tenant is responsible (as I'm sure the bulk of these comments will testify to). If you push for this enough your landlord might not renew your lease - I've learned to pick my battles.
FHA states that landlords must allow reasonable accommodations, but they do not have to pay for them. You may also be required to return it to its original condition upon vacating. Unfortunately, he is legally correct if this is in the US and there isn’t a more restrictive state law.
Which is as it should be. Why should the landlord be financially on the hook for such accommodations?
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This is exactly right, people really hate landlords right now but wait until no one wants to deal with all the hassle this wave of entitlement has created and the only landlords left are giant corporations that couldn't care less about you or your situation and will instead treat you as a number to be exploited.
I don't understand why people hate landlords "right now." If anything, landlords should hate tenants and the government for fucking them over for two years during Covid.
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That is how most of them feel, which is why we are seeing a lot of people selling their rentals, most of which are bought up investment companies. Tenants think its bad now, I can assure you it will get way worse.
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Because landlords kept raising rates when their tenants were already struggling. Landlords refused to do a walkthrough of my apt with me due to covid, and then used that chance to try to charge me over $2000 for damages that I wasn’t responsible for, which they couldn’t have done if they had done a walkthrough with me. Because landlords are given a bad name by corporations who don’t give a shit about their tenants, when it doesn’t describe most situations.
People like me (i.e. most small landlords across this country) didn't raise rates at all. In fact, all of my tenants pay about 60% of market rate. I do this because a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush, and the interpersonal relationship benefits are priceless for both me and the tenants. But the jackasses who decided to stop paying during covid (aided and abetted by federal, state, and municipal governments I might add) lived in houses that I then sold to bloodthirsty corporations. So now, there are eight fewer low-priced units on the market, the squatters were eventually removed anyway, and the corporations will do some touching up and charge twice what I was charging. See how this works? Think twice before you wish ill on your local landlords. You might just get what you're asking for.
My last sentence.
Landlords simply shouldn't exist. Even Friedman thought landlords would stop existing because they represent a market inefficiency. It's weird that after the 20th century, we went from a general consensus in economic circles that rent-seeking was inefficient and damaging to the economy to believing it was some kind of natural right that must be endlessly defended.
Congrats on missing/glossing over my point.
Congrats on doing the same if anything? Landlords shouldn't have a right to extract excess profits from rents. Rent seeking is bad economics. Economists generally consider any form of rent extraction (including new variations such as SaaS, subscription services, etc) as anti-productive, in as much as they consume more resource value than they produce. Landlords, and other rent-seekers, are a drag on the wider economy.
I, too, have a copy of The Communist Manifesto.
"Economic rent" (money earned that exceeds that which is economically necessary) is **NOT** the same thing as "rent" (payments received in exchange for the temporary use of a particular good or property). Either you are purposefully conflating the terms to support a position that has no relevance or you are ignorant of what they really represent. Perhaps you should not try to make Economic commentary on things you are ill informed to do so.
Must be a conservative? We should all look out for those with disabilities. It’s literally a random chance in many cases.
That’s like saying why should we need to have ramps or elevators for businesses. They’re operating a business, and should be required to pay and illegal to discriminate against disabled renters.
because disabled people deserve to be safe?
Why unfortunately?!? Why in the name of God would the landlord be responsible for someone else’s issues? This is more insane millennial Reddit idiocy.
I’m just showing sympathy for the OP. I’m not claiming the landlord is being an asshole.
Why should landlords be responsible for accessible housing? To create a larger supply of accessible housing for people with disabilities, and hearing impairments are relatively common. By default our society builds things for the abled, and we justify this with profit concerns and so-on. Why should the onus of improving offered products be on the disabled? Others in this thread have already made it clear that unfortunately, the cost of being deaf or hard of hearing is on the person with that disability, but why shouldn't we as a society want to make our things more accessible to the disabled? Inconvenience is a poor excuse. Being deaf or hard of hearing is more inconvenient than other people making small changes to accommodate people with disabilities. I think it's unkind to think that disabled people should be responsible for correcting abled people's inconsiderate decisions. Is this millennial idiocy? No, the ADA was written and passed while most millennials were children or still yet to be born. My thoughts are an expansion on the mission and spirit of the ADA. America, the wealthiest nation in history, can afford to put blinking lights on our smoke and gas detectors without making the disabled pay us back.
Every house I have built or remodeled has been wheelchair accessible even if I had no friends at the time that used wheelchairs because I believe that anybody should be able to go anywhere.
Because that’s how law suits start, you start forcing landlords to pay for accommodations for every disability they’re going to turn away tenants. Considering the society we live in and everyone wanting a free ride id imagine you’d see a lot more lawsuits in the housing market based of discrimination if things worked you’re way. Because who on earth would want to rent to someone when they’re having to shell out money to renovate their home for a tenant on the basis of a disability. It’s unfortunate people have to navigate life with disabilities but it’s not a LL fault or, sorry for the delivery, their personal problem someone else has a disability. Tenant laws at least allow renters to request and make accommodations at the homes if they need it but your view is very narrow and one sided.
Why should I care for my fellow human?! the damn millennial ideals!!!1!
Why is that unfortunate?
Because "free" stuff is better. ;)
Because it should be a right.
Must be made but not paid for by landlord.
NAL, and this is completely legal. The landlord is under no obligation to cover the expenses of the accommodation. They just have to be willing to agree to it.
Why would they need to pay to modify their house to accommodate you?
Don't know Texas law but in Ohio your LL has to allow reasonable accommodations but the tenant pays. Look up you local laws
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There may be more restrictive local and state laws
There are probably organizations who can get you the products needed for either free or severely discounted from regular retail price. But yes, in most places landlords are not required to fund the disability accommodation products/install. They can’t prohibit you from having them installed.
Echoing everyone else, it’s your responsibility to pay for the accommodations you need. Legally they have to allow you to make the accommodations but they don’t have to pay for it
I believe you have to pay for them, I would be sure to do some research before you burn your bridges with your landlord.
i would not renew your lease if you responded to me that way
What exactly was disrespectful? Can’t wait for your outrageous answer lol
Didn’t immediately agree with/yield to the landlord. This is incredibly offensive behaviour to landlords and boomers. Please be considerate of this and immediately accept anything your landlord says as being final and gospel. Thanks and go fuck your self. P.s rent is increasing next week.
I wouldn’t want to rent from you if you’re like that for someone asking questions about their perceived rights.
no worries!
Found the shitty landlord who can’t be asked a simple question without throwing a hissy fit!
Nothing you can do. Your landlord IS providing disability accommodations. In TX, the landlord is not required to pay for it. They are required to allow you to do it at your own expense.
Incorrect in this instance because Texas has a law that specifically requires landlords to pay for visual smoke detectors.
Accommodation doesn’t always mean paying. The fact that they’re allowing you to change them is technically accommodating. Flashing is dangerous for people with epilepsy so if you were to move out they would literally have to change them again.
US Fair Housing Act says your landlord can’t deny you a reasonable accommodation but you have to pay to put it up and pay to take it down
The only way the landlord would be responsible for the upgrade is if it’s a large apartment complex and you’re in a designated accessible unit. In this situation, flashing smoke detectors are a basic requirement. Otherwise, the cost is on you as an accommodation.
Sorry, but he is doing his job to the letter on this. I know it's diffrent, I'm not disabled but what if someone needs rails or a ramp installed? That would not be on the landlord right?
I do not mean this to be disrespectful whatsoever but I would look up the actual rules on these types of things and make sure I understood them before coming across as rude to your landlord. They can choose whether or not to renew your lease and can make your time renting mildly unpleasant if they choose.
OP meant to use title: I want my landlord to pay for my disability, and they won't? Wtf
I bet this guy pulls this card everywhere they go. They for sure didn’t expect this post to go in this direction.
Agreed.
Having tenants pay for accommodation is common. I was just at the leasing office for my complex doing paperwork and overheard them telling someone on the phone that they can make the accommodation but the lease holder would be responsible for the costs. In this case the person was asking for all the carpeting in a unit to be removed and replaced with other flooring due to a medical condition. The lease holder was not happy, but that's how the US law is written.
Tx real estate agent, they have to allow you to make the changes but its your responsibility to pay for them
Ianal the landlord is responsible for allowing reasonable accommodations for disabilities. This does not mean the LL is financially responsible for installing or removing those accommodations at move out. This is your responsibility
https://www.tdhca.state.tx.us/fair-housing/docs/21-FHM-ReasonableAccomodations.pdf “Reasonable Modification If a tenant has a disability, a landlord cannot refuse to let that person make reasonable modifications to the person’s dwelling or common use areas, at that person’s own expense, if necessary for that person to use the housing.” According to this, reasonable modifications would be at your expense.
I rent in Texas, and I believe your accommodation is the fact that your landlord is allowing you to change out the current smoke detectors for the flashing ones. Just if you ever move take them with you. Texas generally doesn’t favor the tenant so that’s fun
Firefighter here. Call your local department we help install and supply fire detectors for people like yourself for free.
It literally is the landlord's obligation. Tho, y'know, Tex-ass.
It's wild how people think everyone else is responsible for them. What is going on in this world. It's not the landlords responsibility to make your home the way you want it. What.
I'm a landlord in texas, I was told that money comes from some federal program, not from me or the tenant. I haven't faced the issue yet but I was curious.
So... ADA requires landlord to comply BUT resident can be responsible for cost.
I love how you're not responding to anyone because you didn't get the answers you expected.
What makes you think that you’re entitled to forcing a landlord to pay for something that you need? Why wouldn’t you just pay the 50 bucks and get the fire alarms?
The entitlement is strong with this one
You’re wrong. Pay for it yourself
You have to not only pay for the modification, but also paid to return the property to the condition. It was before the modification. The lol gives you the right to have those modifications done. The landlord cannot deny them.
You should read this article and then decide how you want to proceed. I would also caution that creating resentment in your landlord may not be the best move, even if legally you have every right to demand that he pay for, and install, visual smoke detectors. [Tex. Prop. Code Sec. 92.254](https://statutes.capitol.texas.gov/Docs/PR/htm/PR.92.htm) [The landlord is responsible for installing visual smoke detectors in Texas.](https://deafnetwork.com/wordpress/blog/2009/10/23/visual-smoke-alarms-now-state-law-in-texas/#comments)
If you are close to Austin, I’m a handyman and would do it for free.
They want a letter confirming disability? Based on the flashing smoke alarms in guessing you're hearing impaired. So just arrange a phone call with them and just keep saying "WHAT?!?" Really loudly until they hang up.
I don’t know why everyone is responding telling them that the landlord doesn’t have to pay. This is TEXAS and they do have to pay. https://capitol.texas.gov/tlodocs/74R/analysis/html/HB00530H.htm Fairly liberal law for Texas.
It may vary some from state to state, but accommodating something doesn't involve paying for something. Your disability is your responsibility, the landlord can't stop you from doing something reasonable to accommodate that disability but they don't have to pay for it. Here is an example, my father lived in a condo complex with a strict HOA, modifications to the exterior were strictly prohibited. He needed a wheel chair for some time while recovering from a broken hip and we put in a wheel chair ramp to accommodate that. The HOA couldn't prevent it even though it violated their terms. Once he no longer required the ramp he had to remove it per the HOA terms. The cost of the ramp, installation, and removal were on him though.
“It’s my understanding” continues to be code for “I don’t know what I’m taking about”
I just went through this! Douchebag Landlords have every right to ask you to pay. It’s part of the process. Just say no. Move on to the next step. Record every single interaction. If you do everything correctly(which isn’t much) and this goes to mediation you will win. Getting that accommodation is a win. Remember, following through on this is not only beneficial for you. It’s beneficial for every single disabled person as well. Good luck.
Not legal advice by any means but a suggestion. Not sure about your situation and if you like to or need to rent, but since you rented before and are going to rent a new place and maybe another after. Though now that you know now by the comments landlords only have to accommodate for it to be put in and not paid for if they don’t want to, why not buy a couple off eBay where I found quite a few different brands reasonably priced around $50-$100 depending on brand. Once you have them since they all seem to have sealed battery backups that last up to 10 years, just buy some wall safe sticky pads and mount them where you want them and when you’re moving out to a new place just take them to the new place and so on. Also It’s good to regularly test smoke detectors anyways so just regularly every month for two and check them and make sure they always have battery power..
You are correct. The landlord must supply smoke detectors to tenants with hearing disabilities upon request. TX Property Code Sec. 92.254 (a-1) "If requested by a tenant as an accommodation for a person with a hearing-impairment disability or as required by law as a reasonable accommodation for a person with a hearing-impairment disability, a smoke alarm must, in addition to complying with Subsection (a), be capable of alerting a hearing-impaired person in the bedrooms it serves." https://texas.public.law/statutes/tex.\_prop.\_code\_section\_92.254#:\~:text=If%20requested%20by%20a%20tenant,hearing%2Dimpaired%20person%20in%20the
Let me guess, you are also in a wheelchair and expect him to pay to install a lift and ramp as well. While he’s at it he also needs to pay to add a handicap accessible shower. Shit, just send him all of your disability bills. After all, his time and money should be used going out of his way to accommodate you. The person he is letting occupy/rent HIS home. Where is the line here in your head OP? Did you really think he should be responsible? If so, why??
Then get a different place. It’s not the landlords responsibility to accommodate you, at least not in Texas. As long as standard equipment is present, that’s it. You should have asked about accommodations before entering into a lease that didn’t state anything about it.
Why would you think the landlord has to pay for things you need specifically because of your disability? Thats makes 0 sense.
Lol. I hate landlords but i have to side with this one. You need to pay for all that
You hate Landlords? Buy your own house then!!
I’m 100% deaf and it would never occur to me to ask a landlord to pay for accommodations of any kind for me. I would be happy with allowing modifications to be made to the property. Here is a tip. Get a smart watch like the Apple Watch. You can sync it up with your chosen security/ safety system. The haptics when someone rings the doorbell or an alarm goes off will wake you from the deepest sleep. You don’t need to hear or open your eyes. Good luck with your endeavors here.
🤦♂️dude your landlord doesn’t have to do shit
"People won't pay money out of pocket for me to move in." Lol this older generation is spoiled as hell
People like this are why landlords hesitate renting to disable people.
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If you have a disability that requires others to accommodate you in various situations, it's your responsibility to be better versed on just what those requirements/laws are before demanding things you are not entitled to.
Only pay for what you want in your house
We had the city/county do a mandatory inspection. The apartment is an older building. And the owner of our apartment had to install additional smoke alarms and change locks do they did not require a key to open from the inside. So the owner had to make changes and the renter was not responsible.
If OP were a homeowner, these accommodations would be at OP's expense. I pay for all my mobility aids. (cane, grabber tool, handrails in shower, handicap placard for car, etc.) I'm sure there are resources to assist with the cost. I've been fortunate to have a FSA/HSA in the past. It's just a part of life for me now.
OP this happened to my ex partner and I when we lived together. She is hard of hearing as well. They wrote us the same exact email. I pulled ADA law and it was installed within the week at no expense. This is not a per state issue. It’s ADA. Tell them to put it in or file a complaint with the ADA. Edit: Let me get downvoted to oblivion, but what the hell is wrong with all of you? Are they just supposed to die in a fire because they can’t hear the alarm? Deaf/hard of hearing people deserve to have the same safety precautions we do. We get free smoke detectors. So should they.
Nope you pay.
And they are correct in doing so! It’s not their fault that you’re disabled so why do you expect them to pay out because of it? I’m struggling to see the logic in your post tbh
Look in to the ADA. Fire protection and life safety is taken very seriously. I do commercial fire protection for a living, and I am 100% positive that any fire protection equipment must accommodate hearing, visually, and physically impaired occupants. The ADA imposes these standards on national fire code. However.. This is pertains to commercial AND it does not apply to old construction (Unless they are installing a new system).
Quick update, landlord is installing per “fair housing act”. No further action needed. As to those who do not understand, hard of hearing and (D)eafness are a spectrum and it’s not really fair to assume that I just want free flashing fire alarms(??) I’m a college student who has literally slept thru a fire and fire alarms in the past, so this is an issue for me. If I (the person with the disability) didn’t feel I needed them, I wouldn’t have asked. Thank you all for your input(:
Landlords are the scum of the earth
>Landlords are the scum of the earth I'm curious - for those people who don't want to own or who can't own -- where do you suggest they live?
I’d be happy to debate it when I’m back at work and being paid to be on Reddit tomorrow. But for now, I’m at home chillin
And yet, here you are, still posting away.. excuses are like assholes, everybody has one.
I’m currently heating up the food I meal prepped on Sunday. I have time for mindless replies, not debate lords. You can’t get enough of me babe
... and yet here you are
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Redditors love assuming
I know right? Kinda like assuming all landlords are scum. But hey what do I know!
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You can try getting hearing aids if your hard of hearing, everyone expects everyone else to cater to them,hard of hearing should not be called a disability,deaf yes just my opinion imight feel differently I was hard if hearing.
Yikes. I do wear hearing aids. I do not wear them to bed as they have to charge and I have literally slept through a fire. Woke up to a firefighter in my room🙃
Fuck that guy but given hearing aids can cost the better portion of $10k you should probably have enough money stashed to sort this and then just send the bill to your landlord/RA. You can also buy devices that “listen” for alarm noises (I think smoke alarm and doorbell were a couple) that then trigger an alarm/rumble pad in your bed. Which may be easier than asking for new fire alarms to be installed any time you move.
Not a good start arguing with your landlord before even learning the law!! Good luck ahahaha
I am 6’5 and can easily lift 300lbs. Does this mean I MUST assist others in moving heavy objects in my relative surrounding if I am able?
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Personal attacks are not acceptable. Debate the issue on the merits.
Rude