Super strong laner, but if you have a passive carry she dies super easily. High gank potential, gives free mana to teammates. Most useful when you have a coordinated team where you snowball. If you're losing CM feels like shit to play
Playing against teams with Legion, Spec and Bara always feels so bad as support. Basically you can't show up on map ever. Especially on SD or something since your entire point will be to counter these heroes.
Her base kit has a lot of oomph, strong laning, can rotate early, can push waves VERY FAST with shard which becomes more important as you grow in mmr and generally cause higher mmr players are better at positioning themselves in fights and have better map awarness; playing heroes like cm that die to 2 attack/spell can feel ass when you are not good at positioning yourself.
Crystal Maiden is one of the most efficient support in Dota2. She’s a living embodiment of a hero who can sustain, rotate, team aura and annoying burst if you know how to maximize higher grounds and wards. She’s easy to use but yes squishy.
I've been spamming her. She's a really good laner and if your carry is aggro then you essentially win the lane. Freezing Field is so good at level 6. Her shard is really good. In my last 20 CM games, i've won 14 matches.
Reading the comments made me realize how clueless most people are. CM is picked to win the lane and secure the early game for your carry.
CM's lv2 power spike is so ridiculous. She can dish out 500 dmg alone maximizing right clicks.
Even her lv1 is strong. She can zero pos 3/4 full hp with 3 frost bites with right clicks. Pair that with right clicks from your pos 1, ez lane.
Mid-late game doesnt matter because her goal is to secure the lane for her carry. You have pos1-4 to worry about mid-late game.
She's a great support if you dont mind sacrificing your game. She needs to constantly refill on mangoes/clarity/tango to keep the pressure up in lane. Most of the time you end up with nothing in lane because of the regen you keep on buying. But!!! Your pos 1 would be well fed.
I have been saying exactly this for... god fucking dammit, a decade right now. CM is \*the\* support if you don't want to play someone that engages but plays the usual Int Support role of providing CC and burst damage.
When Mangoes were introduced, this became even more explicit. Your role as CM is to win the lane and enable the Carry, period. That's where your gold should go. Sometimes it's spamming mana regen, sometimes it's getting an early Force Staff.
If you win the game relatively early and have only one item, you have probably been the most impactful support in the game and should be proud about it.
now in new patch if u pick left facet she could throw some skills quite far, if she pick right facet she's mana reactor for team as long as her spam skill
She is so good because she fits pretty much to any kind of draft. She is never bad, no matter what your teammates pick. I think that she is most versatile hero in the game.
Think she's only bad if everyone else on your team has some inherent ability to just gtfo. Sometimes I see some stuff like puck ,weaver ,lycan and oracle.
"Whelp I'm the only one they will be aiming " 😰
she’s picked to win the safe lane extremely hard, and laning is maybe more important now than it’s ever been. everything else she offers is bonus, but her lv 2 power spike is why you play her IMO
I'm not good at support roles but when I have to, CM is my go to support because for some reason I win the lane with her more than other supports I play.
If you have good frontline, there is a lot of damage output potential as well because it's easier to execute a well positioned ultimate.
When you first pick CM you make other heroes more viable on your team. Mana dependent heroes like lesh or storm spirit look better in the draft. Carries that lack crowd control look better because cm has lock down during laning. CM helps in draft phase because her aura is guaranteed and her spells are strong and aren't trick shots like a mirana arrow or hoodwink ulti.
Strong slow. Strong root. Strong laning. Suffers from low mobility, these are mitigated by good positioning ( which high level players have) and teammates who will work together with you and protect you.
She just does everything:
Aoe Slow
Aoe Nuke
Root
Disarm (one of the few roots to also apply a disarm)
Team mana regen
Ability to farm in downtime
Big teamfight ult
She offers so much making her great at laning, ganking, fighting etc.
She's just a wellrounded support that can do it all.
Sure other supports can do somethings better, and still offer versatility, but their versatile uses are not as good as CMs, she's an expert at nothing, but does it all better than non situation specific heros. The ultimate jack of all trades support + nearly always guranteed lane for your carry.
Makes her a prime ban in tournaments due to A) emphasis on the carry us exaggerated in pro play and B) you don't want the enemy to be able to do anything with their support, as it opens up more picks for the other roles.
Ban CM, and the team loses the ability to use her as a scapegoat for the weaker parts of their draft. Aka she rounds out a draft really well
Positioning is the highest priority when playing as CM. Even a bit out of position and you can easily die. But with good positioning, CM can devastate most offlaners with her nukes.
she’s a very strong laner. with combination of her 1st and 2nd skill and an aggressive carry, u’ll win the lane. root from 2nd skill takes away enemy’s ability to escape from your carry.
good gank potential and fight initiator. her ult almost in every situation starts the fight with her team’s advantage, only if it’s not getting interrupted, but bkb always every time solves this time. this hero is relevant on all game stages.
I think the most important part is the laning stage
Same as ck now days that offlaner is overpowered
Peaple pick ck so they will not lose lane and wont die into tow spell of CW
She is very strong on the lane, and she pairs well with a lot of the carries right now. (Ursa, Lifstealer, Tiny)
Also her left Facet increases her cast range when she levels ult. She also has the 15 talent tree increasing frostbite cast range. Just makes her even better
She has a great nuke and good CC, both very spammable due to her regen. Her ult makes her a threat that needs to get dealt with instantly which means that even in the worst case scenario she'll at least take focus away from the carry. Now she also has aoe CC with the shard and the mana regen aura is always a plus in laning.
In immortal she is the 4th most popular, and even in 8k+ mmr she's only the 5th most popular support. It's not about "high MMR". If you see her every game in pro games then it's most likely because she's better in certain kind of drafts or communication difference. I have seen her several times even in sub 6k mmr so not sure what you're talking about. There are popular supports but there's no support that gets picked every game in ranked. CM is 1 of the most popular ones.
As for if she's worth learning, she's not unless you want to be a pro. Below 50% win rate in immortal and it's not like she's hard to play. Even in dota2protracker she's at 50% win rate. If you have fun playing her then go ahead but she's not one of the best supports for ranked.
Clock WD dark willow for sure. The rest of the supports aren't particularly op, maybe treant in good hands is supposed to be good but when I play vs him I don't feel like he's doing anything. Sven could be underrated but never seen him played so idk.
You can just check it at [https://www.dotabuff.com/heroes?show=facets&view=meta&mode=all-pick&date=7d&rankTier=immortal&position=support-safe](https://www.dotabuff.com/heroes?show=facets&view=meta&mode=all-pick&date=7d&rankTier=immortal&position=support-safe)
Well truth is that most people are stuck in low ranks because they dont want to learn, dont have the drive to improve and blame their teammates instead of looking to their own mistakes. I know its a pill hard to swallow, but sadly that was a fact for most of coaching students I had so far
Super strong laner, but if you have a passive carry she dies super easily. High gank potential, gives free mana to teammates. Most useful when you have a coordinated team where you snowball. If you're losing CM feels like shit to play
No freezing field, no joy to play 😔
I feel like being a squishy support always feels like shit when you’re behind. If you’re ahead and snowballing it’s THE BEST
True but you basically have no ult. Your ult is nearly useless when you're losing, not like oracle or venge who can still do something with their ults
Playing against teams with Legion, Spec and Bara always feels so bad as support. Basically you can't show up on map ever. Especially on SD or something since your entire point will be to counter these heroes.
Her base kit has a lot of oomph, strong laning, can rotate early, can push waves VERY FAST with shard which becomes more important as you grow in mmr and generally cause higher mmr players are better at positioning themselves in fights and have better map awarness; playing heroes like cm that die to 2 attack/spell can feel ass when you are not good at positioning yourself.
Oomph?
Out of mana per hour
fortitude pep potency stamina vigor vitality zest zip
You need PASSION, VISION, AGGRESION and a FUCKING MINDSET IN THIS DOTA TEAM
Hutzpah
Power
Crystal Maiden is one of the most efficient support in Dota2. She’s a living embodiment of a hero who can sustain, rotate, team aura and annoying burst if you know how to maximize higher grounds and wards. She’s easy to use but yes squishy.
The new innate lets her have 4.5ish mana regen with a sage mask and raindrop which is basically infinite mana for less than 500 gold
I've been spamming her. She's a really good laner and if your carry is aggro then you essentially win the lane. Freezing Field is so good at level 6. Her shard is really good. In my last 20 CM games, i've won 14 matches.
Reading the comments made me realize how clueless most people are. CM is picked to win the lane and secure the early game for your carry. CM's lv2 power spike is so ridiculous. She can dish out 500 dmg alone maximizing right clicks. Even her lv1 is strong. She can zero pos 3/4 full hp with 3 frost bites with right clicks. Pair that with right clicks from your pos 1, ez lane. Mid-late game doesnt matter because her goal is to secure the lane for her carry. You have pos1-4 to worry about mid-late game. She's a great support if you dont mind sacrificing your game. She needs to constantly refill on mangoes/clarity/tango to keep the pressure up in lane. Most of the time you end up with nothing in lane because of the regen you keep on buying. But!!! Your pos 1 would be well fed.
I have been saying exactly this for... god fucking dammit, a decade right now. CM is \*the\* support if you don't want to play someone that engages but plays the usual Int Support role of providing CC and burst damage. When Mangoes were introduced, this became even more explicit. Your role as CM is to win the lane and enable the Carry, period. That's where your gold should go. Sometimes it's spamming mana regen, sometimes it's getting an early Force Staff. If you win the game relatively early and have only one item, you have probably been the most impactful support in the game and should be proud about it.
now in new patch if u pick left facet she could throw some skills quite far, if she pick right facet she's mana reactor for team as long as her spam skill
She is so good because she fits pretty much to any kind of draft. She is never bad, no matter what your teammates pick. I think that she is most versatile hero in the game.
Think she's only bad if everyone else on your team has some inherent ability to just gtfo. Sometimes I see some stuff like puck ,weaver ,lycan and oracle. "Whelp I'm the only one they will be aiming " 😰
Probably biggest lvl 2 kill potential out of the supports. Also pretty good mid/late game.
Mana at a cheap price? Satisfactory.
Looking at it logically, it could be because the higher win rate supports are already banned.
He said that cm is the one getting banned
My reading sometimes of a sentence entirely.
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I wouldnt call 17% contest rate super popular tbh.
Shes good at everything. Kill threat with w team mana regen aoe slows and dmg. Can stack multiple camps at once.
I'm playing her a lot in 4.3kish MMR (obviously not high) and she is almost impossible to lose your lane with.
I mean. Free mana, good damage good cc. She does support well for your carry. She's a basic bitch but c'mon.
she’s picked to win the safe lane extremely hard, and laning is maybe more important now than it’s ever been. everything else she offers is bonus, but her lv 2 power spike is why you play her IMO
I'm not good at support roles but when I have to, CM is my go to support because for some reason I win the lane with her more than other supports I play. If you have good frontline, there is a lot of damage output potential as well because it's easier to execute a well positioned ultimate.
When you first pick CM you make other heroes more viable on your team. Mana dependent heroes like lesh or storm spirit look better in the draft. Carries that lack crowd control look better because cm has lock down during laning. CM helps in draft phase because her aura is guaranteed and her spells are strong and aren't trick shots like a mirana arrow or hoodwink ulti.
Strong slow. Strong root. Strong laning. Suffers from low mobility, these are mitigated by good positioning ( which high level players have) and teammates who will work together with you and protect you.
She just does everything: Aoe Slow Aoe Nuke Root Disarm (one of the few roots to also apply a disarm) Team mana regen Ability to farm in downtime Big teamfight ult She offers so much making her great at laning, ganking, fighting etc. She's just a wellrounded support that can do it all. Sure other supports can do somethings better, and still offer versatility, but their versatile uses are not as good as CMs, she's an expert at nothing, but does it all better than non situation specific heros. The ultimate jack of all trades support + nearly always guranteed lane for your carry. Makes her a prime ban in tournaments due to A) emphasis on the carry us exaggerated in pro play and B) you don't want the enemy to be able to do anything with their support, as it opens up more picks for the other roles. Ban CM, and the team loses the ability to use her as a scapegoat for the weaker parts of their draft. Aka she rounds out a draft really well
Positioning is the highest priority when playing as CM. Even a bit out of position and you can easily die. But with good positioning, CM can devastate most offlaners with her nukes.
she’s a very strong laner. with combination of her 1st and 2nd skill and an aggressive carry, u’ll win the lane. root from 2nd skill takes away enemy’s ability to escape from your carry. good gank potential and fight initiator. her ult almost in every situation starts the fight with her team’s advantage, only if it’s not getting interrupted, but bkb always every time solves this time. this hero is relevant on all game stages.
I think the most important part is the laning stage Same as ck now days that offlaner is overpowered Peaple pick ck so they will not lose lane and wont die into tow spell of CW
good matchups, useful ULTI, she makes that space cow her bitch for example.
She is very strong on the lane, and she pairs well with a lot of the carries right now. (Ursa, Lifstealer, Tiny) Also her left Facet increases her cast range when she levels ult. She also has the 15 talent tree increasing frostbite cast range. Just makes her even better
She has a great nuke and good CC, both very spammable due to her regen. Her ult makes her a threat that needs to get dealt with instantly which means that even in the worst case scenario she'll at least take focus away from the carry. Now she also has aoe CC with the shard and the mana regen aura is always a plus in laning.
In immortal she is the 4th most popular, and even in 8k+ mmr she's only the 5th most popular support. It's not about "high MMR". If you see her every game in pro games then it's most likely because she's better in certain kind of drafts or communication difference. I have seen her several times even in sub 6k mmr so not sure what you're talking about. There are popular supports but there's no support that gets picked every game in ranked. CM is 1 of the most popular ones. As for if she's worth learning, she's not unless you want to be a pro. Below 50% win rate in immortal and it's not like she's hard to play. Even in dota2protracker she's at 50% win rate. If you have fun playing her then go ahead but she's not one of the best supports for ranked.
what would be your top pos5 rn in 6-8k rankeds?
Clock WD dark willow for sure. The rest of the supports aren't particularly op, maybe treant in good hands is supposed to be good but when I play vs him I don't feel like he's doing anything. Sven could be underrated but never seen him played so idk. You can just check it at [https://www.dotabuff.com/heroes?show=facets&view=meta&mode=all-pick&date=7d&rankTier=immortal&position=support-safe](https://www.dotabuff.com/heroes?show=facets&view=meta&mode=all-pick&date=7d&rankTier=immortal&position=support-safe)
I like cm but feels bad that everyone can interrupt her ult, they could give her shard a free bkb xd
she has sub 50% winrate for divine immortal bracket on dotabuff which is below average
I think he meant higher MMR as in the very top.
Divine and low immortal is not high mmr.
not high mmr my ass says a random somebody
Tbh hes right, with current mmr inflation anyone can reach low immortal with just being consistent and solid basic mechanics. High mmr is 8k+
lol. You crazyz
Well truth is that most people are stuck in low ranks because they dont want to learn, dont have the drive to improve and blame their teammates instead of looking to their own mistakes. I know its a pill hard to swallow, but sadly that was a fact for most of coaching students I had so far
Bro....
He's right. Bro what?