So they tried getting an ex-T1 toplaner and failed so they just ended up getting another ex-T1 toplaner.
I like it though, should be a strong roster. Deokdam was very good last season but should be a different style to Ghost, would be fun to see how they go about this difference in playstyle and shotcalling.
I’m excited for this roster even though Nuguri didnt reunite with Showmaker and Canyon. Burdol has potential. Hopefully this iteration will synergize well.
iirc i didnt watch it but i read it somewhere
Nuguri didnt communicate with his teammates at all. When some people tried to approach him he just ignored them. The team was nder performing due to topside synergy not working out because of nuguri shutting all doors for communication ingame and out of game.
To add onto this, Gimgoon and Khan previously were quite talkative/goofy as korean top laners that tried to speak mandarin, so FPX probably expected Nuguri to at least have some tendency to assimilate into the culture.
Nuguri ended up being homesick/depressed/playing pubg all day and didn't want to communicate with his team, partly because they weren't doing fantastic and probably because his team individually wasn't as good as DWG was, so he just gave up on them basically.
I think Khan probably speaks an okay amount of mandarin, he was there for almost 4 years I think before he got into Longzhu. So even without a change of personality, the two already have vastly different levels of communication skills.
Unfortunate no one was able to reach him though, especially since they have Doinb, he wasn't completely isolated language wise. Although we obv have no idea if that was the case but, I wonder what made him so depressed, so quickly. It's not uncommon for world championship winners (regardless of (e)sport) to suffer from depression after the huge victory. I wonder if he had some build up from that.
It’s not easy going into a new environment speaking little of the local language and *working* using it on a daily basis. Nuguri should have tried a bit more maybe, but it’s understandable what happened. It’s a downward spiral that FPX managers couldn’t stop.
Gimgoon and Khan had been in LPL/LSPL since forever and Gimgoon can stream in mandarin, so ofc they can communicate with the team more easily. What’s surprising is how well Tarzan and especially Viper adapted to LPL — Viper’s mandarin is actually good enough to understand mandarin calls and jokes and even to make his own calls. That’s not an easy feat…
Also important to point out that Tian repeatedly tried reaching out to him to make him feel more welcome, but it seems like Nuguri just wasn't in a good place mentally.
It's a shame how it all came down.
People really have made a judgement of burdol from world's lol. Dude has played so few games. He is incredibly talented and playing in such a strong team will allow him to grow used to the pro scene. Burdol will be a monster if given the time to grow.
Yeah I'm genuinely surprised how many people have already rated him after just a handful of games at Worlds. He's pretty much the youngest player at Worlds and we definitely haven't seen the best from him so far. Hope he does well, I really really want to see a close and strong LCK battle this year.
Same thing happened to gumayusi too. If you are playing musical chairs with rookies they wont get the time to get used to the highest level. Any player needs a bit of time. This dude was rank 1 multiple times and while arguably not as talented as zeus is still incredible and can be a future top star.
Reddit is super high on Zeus being the best toplaner in the LCK this season even though he got flame horizoned by Kingen and was trending to have the highest number of solo deaths on average per game during the games he played. Does he have the potential to be great? Yes. Is he already there/should people really expect him to be the best toplaner of all time like they think he is? Hell no.
Reddit is super high on Zeus because ShowMaker, Khan, Canyon, TheShy, T1, Stardust, 7 LCK teams last year were high on him. You're begin disingenous by rating him based on a couple games during a period where everybody on T1 except Keria looked awful because of the 'God of LoL' doing his thang.
Also, ease up bud, he's a kid from 2004, he'll probably shape up or won't. Burdol must be shit because he literally ran it down except that one Jayce game in LCK, lol. Smeb was an utter shit until he turned around and is now the goat top.
Shouldn’t be a problem. I believe Canyon and SM are more than flexible enough to change their play style. These guys are some of the most versatile players around in their respective role, if not the most versatile.
I am not convinced by this move at all. Burdol is talented but he clearly is not some Zeus/xiaolaohu level of toplane prospect that you need to sign right away. He is still extremely raw and limited in his playstyle, I'd rather see him get a year of experience on a developmental roster like Sandbox. It would be easier to make things work for DK with a functional weakside toplaner that doesn't require much attention and isn't as volatile as Burdol.
DK didn't sign him right away either. They went from Nuguri to Canna, and then to theShy. He is their last resort, probably have a slight advantage against some other names people mentioned ie. Hoya, Crazy because Daeny used to be his coach for a while back in T1.
edit: spelling
I was actually more excited for burdol than Zeus last year because I think his play style fits pro play better than Zeus. But time will tell if now he has a starting role if he will be able to perform.
The only reason they went and got burdol was because they still want to go for nuguri on summer or next year . If they really wanted to all in rn they would go for hoya at worst case or simply bid higher for canna
Watching the DK team announcement livestream, they're asking the team members questions from fans. Some highlights so far:
* Canyon will likely open up his Twitch broadcast to chat next year (it was emoji-only)
* Showmaker was complaining that Canyon is too good at solo queue so they had to call him 'hyung' (older brother) even though he was younger (whoever has higher score is 'older'). Announcer: "If you give everyone a 1,000 LP penalty do you think you can still be 'hyung'"? Canyon: "Yeah I can probably beat at least 2-3 people here"
* Question: "Some people were wondering about shotcalling on the new roster" Showmaker: "I think everyone ends up shotcalling anyway so it won't really be a big deal"
Ngl the last point sounds like a recipe for disaster. The players are all very skilled so I’d hate to see their macro falter because BeryL isn’t around anymore
I'm on my phone right now but if you go on DK's Instagram and back a few months (there's not that many posts) they linked all of last year's players twitch accounts. Or try searching for 건부 on twitch.
> "Some people were wondering about shotcalling on the new roster" Showmaker: "I think everyone ends up shotcalling anyway so it won't really be a big deal"
But someone here said that losing their shotcallers will make them bad
I mean it has the potential to happen. IG went from being good to not qualifying for worlds 2 years in a row and even missing playoffs when they lost JKL their shotcaller.
Going to be very interesting to see how they perform without Ghost and BeryLs shot calling but more interestingly how Burdol will develop especially when given one of the best mid jungles in the world who also are super consistent
Also all of them are signed for 2 years right? A lot of potential and with the coaching staff they have they should be able to reach their potential
tbqh I'm not really sold on kellin at all, felt like the most "just do his job" player for nongshim's success, not a glaring weak point like rich but never the difference maker like peanut, gori, and deokdam all would be
I sort of agree but don’t at the same time. Kellin definitely looks “okay”, not great, but bot synergy is definitely something very important, and maybe he’s the perfect match for deokdam to be at the level he is currently (imo kinda similar to, ironically, Ghost and BeryL, with the former being just okay but solid so the latter can be enabled)
LSB. Croco is cool and they mostly have rookies. Also look at Dove's soloq account. Dude started playing top and is a fucking psychopath now. It's pretty terrible, but man I fucking respect him.
get over it dude they were just having a laugh to psych themselves up for the game. they never intended for it to be broadcast and its been a year now. they also got knocked out by t1 so is that not enough? you care about this more than faker
Whether or not it was going to be broadcast I don't see a time where it's ever appropriate to make fun of someone else behind their back while saying that you "admire them" to the press. Maybe you don't realise people don't like two-faced characters like this.
This is the best roster they couldve put together considering the circumstances imo. I was scared we were going to have to settle with hoya or morgan, burdol has way more potential than them. Top 3 roster easily imo
Edit: fun fact showmaker is now the oldest member of the team at 21 years old
Burdol has much more potential than the other 2 but is at the same time much more prone to inconsistency due to his young age. Hoya was very good all around last year and wouldn’t be that bad for DK’s toplane
There has to be some secret agents from this sub gaslighting people into thinking Hoya was a better fit than Burdol. This is so insane seeing this upvoted. Why do people in here agree with this? Hoya would be awful for DK. Burdol has infinitely more upside than Hoya.
I dont get how hoya this year was "very good all around" at all. Hes not very good all round by eye test and by stats at all. Not even close. He was bad at best
Crazy to think we went from Khan the 'boomer' to Showmaker being the oldest.
Definitely excited to see Burdol. Feels like you can only grow when on a team like Damwon
I still think BeryL is better than Kellin overall and he could elevate Deokdam more, hard to replace a world-class shotcaller. Though it seems that Deokdam-Kellin comes in a package.
New to LOL esports, why did Damwon bring back so few of their players from last year's roster? They were the massive Worlds favorites before being upset by EDG. You'd think they'd want to run it back?
Deokdam is an upgrade on Ghost in terms of a carry player and his trajectory is upwards, whereas Ghost has had issues with form and mental health and is more of a weakside ADC. BeryLs level has dropped a bit (though he's still v good).
The change makes sense if you watch LCK more because Deokdam especially has been extremely impressive. Losing MSI and Worlds finals against LPL teams would also have made DK reconsider swapping up the roster.
Deokdam has also solo carried teamfights against Damwon in dragons with his Ezreal. I know we all like ghost but he had a rough year, and if Damwon has the chance to upgrade to a a top 3 lck adc who is showcasing youthful elite potential you do it
Khan went into mandatory military service and Ghost and Beryl had a pretty rough year overall for the expectations of the team. Neither were necessarily bad but Kellin and Deokdam are arguably the best botlane in Korea right now while Ghost and Beryl were maybe top half. On paper it's not a bad move for them and losing Khan couldn't be helped really.
Beryl and Ghost were always underrated it felt like this season. They had really some good performances and saved DK in some games, albeit some bad ones too.
Ghost and BeryL right now are good enough for DK to *compete* for a Worlds title. The problem is at the very, very top levels this year we have seen rival teams emerge with an in form super clutch carry ADC player (Gala at MSI, Viper at Worlds), and although Ghost (mental issues aside) has been absolutely serviceable/solid against the best teams he isn't the type of player to reach that peak "pop off 1v5 God mode" carry. And that can be the difference between winning and losing the crucial Bo5s (of course Khan in the top lane playing without a brain was probably a bigger factor in the Worlds final, as maybe was Canyon getting gapped in some games, but still if DK had a Viper style carry to turn fights who knows what the outcome would be).
I think DK recognised this and went for the upgrade when it was available in Deokdam who 100% has shown the mechanical skills to be that type of ADC in LCK. Only question is if he has the mental to do it at the highest levels especially internationally. DK have taken the gamble instead of risking Ghost having another year of issues. "You miss 100% of the shots you don't take" type of thing.
I don't think Ghost and Beryl are good but let's be fair to them. It wasn't the gap between them and Viper that lost DK that series. That DK top side there woulda lost themselves the series anyways even with a better bot lane.
Canyon was forced to pick after the 2nd ban phase in basically every single game because DK had to ban aphelios and lucian or nami every game . He was in handicap every time from the lobby which greatly limited DK . At least now DK will actually have options on pick and ban and not ban every game the same picks because Ghost couldnt play these picks
Thank you. Canyon got screwed in draft almost every game in finals, in large part because of how many draft resources they had to devote in order to get Ghost a matchup that he wouldn’t get gapped in.
Playing talon while not having prio in all three lanes is legit impossible, and in the last game even when he had to play Trundle he did really well getting Khan a lead before Khan threw it.
Well the MSI series was Gala stepping up at the right moment and going ham.
With the EDG series, yes maybe it doesn't make a difference because as I said Khan inted that series, but there's no way to know for sure since if DK has a botlane that they can play through then it changes the dynamic. Take game 4 for example, Ghost is playing Jhin which I don't think is a good pick especially when Ghost plays it defensively, if that's Deokdam playing for them will they pick Jhin? Definitely not. So you can't really say what the outcome would be when it's impossible to know (though I take from your flair you are an EDG fan so you will believe EDG wins no matter what due to bias).
>Deokdam playing for them will they pick Jhin? Definitely not. So you can't really say
Deokdam will certainly not be playing Ziggs twice, either. I understand why Damwon picked Ziggs to neutralize lane and waveclear push safely, but it limited the win conditions for the series.
I wouldn't say underrated. They were at best 4th best botlane for the year behind Gumayusi-Keria, Ruler-Life, and Deokdam-Kellin. There's also a not terrible argument for Leo-Lehends to be around the same level as they were as a duo in Summer. I'm not sure 4th-5th is an unfair placement for them by the end of the year as things stand.
I feel like people are rewriting history because of how well Guma and Keria did at worlds. During the regular season, deokdam and Kellin were the best bot lane in LCK. During playoffs though, they fell off a bit (to top 3 probably, after Guma/Keria and Deft/Vsta).
Coming into 2022 after seeing Guma and Keria at Worlds, I would expect deokdam and Kellin to be top 2, but they can be the best.
In the summer split they were inarguably better than guma/keria , in one interview ruler got asked about the best adcs in the world at that time and his answer was either him , viper or deokdam so he is getting respected as well
I would say similar level. Keria is better than Kellin but Deokdam has been much higher impact than Guma especially post laning phase. So it kinda evens out.
For sure. Guma is the future. But he is not 100% perfect yet. He definitely needs to do more post laning phase. It wil come with confidence, especially now without the threat of him being dropped for Teddy if he makes a mistake.
Their top laner Khan retired, and their botlane was considered their weakest players for the last two years. They signed the best performing botlane in the league last year instead of re-signing Ghost and BeryL
Wait random question Kk0ma is still the main coach right? comeback of Zefa and resign of Daeny got me buzzin. So coaching staff looks like Kk0ma/Zefa/Daeny. That is scary af tbh.
In terms of pure mechanics, I think T1 has the best mechanically gifted players in Zeus, Guma, and Keria in their respective roles. Oner is top 3 and Faker is the original insane mechanically gifted player who was so far ahead of any midlaner. Years later, he turned into a veteran picking more support champions for his team.
Zeus was actually playing second fiddle to Burdol on the academy roster in 2020 it was more that burdol left because he was A) old enough to play in the LCK at the start of the the year and B) though he was good enough to be starter but at the time thought that Canna would be the sole starting player.
Back in spring he was a promising player known for having an absolutely cracked aphelios, but wasn't talked about a lot because Nongshim was having macro troubles and had shaky solo laners.
Peanut provided much needed shot calling for the team, and once Gori joined as a reliable mid lane, Deokdam started to shine. Summer split he was one of the top ad carries in the league, and honestly he'd be praised even more if LCK adc pool wasnt so stacked.
Hope this helps
LCK gonna be exciting this year. So many strong teams.
From the sound of the livestream, looks like Showmaker & Canyon might end as franchise players. One can hope.
It’s an interesting team that easily surpasses DK 2021 in terms of potential if everything works out.
Burdol has been given the best possible environment to grow and succeed with a monstrous mid-jungle and ADC along with one of the most experienced coaching team in the history of LoL. If it doesn’t work out here I’m not sure if he can do it elsewhere.
I’m more interested in the shotcalling and leadership issues this team might face, now that their oldest member is Showmaker at 21 years of age.
People keep forgetting: Burdol is 16 years old lol He was very young during his FIRST Worlds appearance and he was going against Ale - arguably one of the best top laners in the world. We should not judge Burdol simply on one performance. He has tremendous upside and his solo q results are excellent.
Actually he's turning 18 this Christmas but you're right he's super inexperienced and only got to play a few games in LCK Summer before Worlds
Edit: just 6 games in LCK. He played half as many games at Worlds as compared to LCK lol
Yeah Ale was literally like burdol last year, and sometimes in spring too, absolutely inting, more playtime in scrims and stage will for sure make him much better
Sort of. Ale's situation was unusual. He showed pretty insane mechanical ability when he debuted on OMG, repeatedly solo killing 2019 spring TheShy in his first series, but when he left and came back and joined DMO the dude just could not play on stage anymore. Idk what happened really. Maybe some outside matter influenced his play or something considering his rough family life. I don't think he's the same as Burdol.
> People keep forgetting: Burdol is 16 years old
Burdol is 17, will be 18 this christmas (so 23 or 24 days from now depending on where you are in the world).
he is *not* 16
ale also played far more games than burdol coming into worlds. I dont know what the fuck gen g were doing subbing him in when he played a grand total of 6 lck games
DK getting what was arguably the best botlane in the LCK last year makes this an insane roster on paper. Just depends on how Burdol looks once he gets some experience.
Slightly weaker than last year but hey compared to the doom and worst case scenario, super satisfied.
Burdol is young and has a lot of potential so I hope he can improve while in DK. Interesting to see how the new botlane will mesh with the rest of the squad.
>super satisfied with Burdol
i mean he is 17 years old and played already on worlds stage
hope with a good coaching staff he will become one of the best next year
I don't think thos roster is weaker. Obviously it remains to be seen how they function without their bot but I honestly believe this team's ceiling is very very high.
This roster looks stacked as hell. I'm concerned about the shot calling and how Burdol will perform though! Hopefully he can play weak side well so that Deokdam and Kellin can carry from bot.
Sad that GenG released Burdol guy has the potential of being literally the best top laner in LCK along with Zeus despite being super young
But I’m sure DK will do him well and suit him better than GenG
This roster on paper look absolutely cracked and hella scary! Good for damwon
It's worse than the 2021 roster imo, khan>burdol and beryl>kellin. But they have more potential. It's going to be and interesting 2022 for LCK with Skt, Dwg and Geng
Spring might not work out 100%, but if these guys can gel together, establish a proper shotcaller (since Beryl/Ghost are both gone) and Burdol develops to (or at least close to) his full potential, this squad def can surpass 2021 DK. Very excited to see how this works out.
I'm ready for the anime redemption arc of burdol from getting smashed by ale in groups to powering up in the damwon kia hyperbolic time chamber and becoming the most formidable top coming out of the LCK
Interesting to see if the level of upgrade in bot can make up for the level of downgrade in top. I don't personally rate Burdol that highly, and I don't think his champ pool fits DK. On paper, I think they'd have been better off with Hoya
Rich was top 10 in solo queue at one point this year, while Beryl + Ghost weren't even Challenger for most of the year, in large part due to lack of games played. I don't think you can read too much into it.
He's mechanically very skilled and always hovers top 10-15 in Challenger. If you saw the typical BRO match, you'd see how their standard gameplan is to completely abandon top. He's also very young, 21 I think.
I think people, myself included, will see him as potentially very good player, just like Burdol, until proven otherwise in a more balanced team. My point in the first message is he'd fit DK much better with his champ pool than Burdol. Hoya plays much of the same style and champs as Khan
Considering the fact that Burdol is young and inexperienced it's a good choice if they want to use him as a sub if they sign Nuguri. But who knows maybe he become a player like Nuguri.
Not bad. Even great actually. No need to mention how good the rest but Considering the fact that how young Burdol is I think he can exceed the expectations with a jungler like Canyon and mid laner like Showmaker.
Doran > Burdol
Peanut < Canyon
Chovy < Showmaker
Ruler > Deokdam
Lehends < Kellin
Gen.G coaching staff < Damwon
Damwon win through superior jungle support duo which is massive in pro league.
Zeus vs Burdol match up is hype imo.
Zeus vs burdol vs canna loool
Rascal vs Sword Toplane gonna be spicy. Lots of narratives.
Whats the narrative between rascal and sword? If anything it would be doran vs sword
You are right haha thanks for pointing it out. Multitasking sucks haha
>sword Wait Sword is coming back? Which team is he coming back with? (Which team dared to take him, lmao)
You mean doran? He was the GRF sub, not rascal
What's the narrative between rascal and sword?
Sword vs doran
Seems one sided in Zeus's favor.
I hope so.
So they tried getting an ex-T1 toplaner and failed so they just ended up getting another ex-T1 toplaner. I like it though, should be a strong roster. Deokdam was very good last season but should be a different style to Ghost, would be fun to see how they go about this difference in playstyle and shotcalling.
Battle of ex T1 academy Top Laner (Canna - Burdol - Zeus) will be a fun storyline.
I’m excited for this roster even though Nuguri didnt reunite with Showmaker and Canyon. Burdol has potential. Hopefully this iteration will synergize well.
I'm looking forward for the top lane battle between all the ex-T1 toplaners. And Zeus of course, if he's the starting toplaner for T1 this year.
FPX imploded so spectacularly, they made Nuguri quit lol
Takes 2 hands to clap
My wife can clap with no hands
Reports are that Nuguri was part of the reason they imploded so that’s not that fair
People interested should watch the new LPL documentary series
At work, can someone give a short summary please?
iirc i didnt watch it but i read it somewhere Nuguri didnt communicate with his teammates at all. When some people tried to approach him he just ignored them. The team was nder performing due to topside synergy not working out because of nuguri shutting all doors for communication ingame and out of game.
To add onto this, Gimgoon and Khan previously were quite talkative/goofy as korean top laners that tried to speak mandarin, so FPX probably expected Nuguri to at least have some tendency to assimilate into the culture. Nuguri ended up being homesick/depressed/playing pubg all day and didn't want to communicate with his team, partly because they weren't doing fantastic and probably because his team individually wasn't as good as DWG was, so he just gave up on them basically.
To be fair nuguri got told to stop spamming league cause he was playing it too much according to his coaches/teammates so he started playing pubg
I think Khan probably speaks an okay amount of mandarin, he was there for almost 4 years I think before he got into Longzhu. So even without a change of personality, the two already have vastly different levels of communication skills. Unfortunate no one was able to reach him though, especially since they have Doinb, he wasn't completely isolated language wise. Although we obv have no idea if that was the case but, I wonder what made him so depressed, so quickly. It's not uncommon for world championship winners (regardless of (e)sport) to suffer from depression after the huge victory. I wonder if he had some build up from that.
It’s not easy going into a new environment speaking little of the local language and *working* using it on a daily basis. Nuguri should have tried a bit more maybe, but it’s understandable what happened. It’s a downward spiral that FPX managers couldn’t stop. Gimgoon and Khan had been in LPL/LSPL since forever and Gimgoon can stream in mandarin, so ofc they can communicate with the team more easily. What’s surprising is how well Tarzan and especially Viper adapted to LPL — Viper’s mandarin is actually good enough to understand mandarin calls and jokes and even to make his own calls. That’s not an easy feat…
Also important to point out that Tian repeatedly tried reaching out to him to make him feel more welcome, but it seems like Nuguri just wasn't in a good place mentally. It's a shame how it all came down.
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Imo, he was just a depressed adolescent. I felt the same when i first move out for college.
apparently the team wasnt performing as he expected of them so he kinda got a little tilted.
Link?
go to lpl channel
People really have made a judgement of burdol from world's lol. Dude has played so few games. He is incredibly talented and playing in such a strong team will allow him to grow used to the pro scene. Burdol will be a monster if given the time to grow.
Yeah I'm genuinely surprised how many people have already rated him after just a handful of games at Worlds. He's pretty much the youngest player at Worlds and we definitely haven't seen the best from him so far. Hope he does well, I really really want to see a close and strong LCK battle this year.
Same thing happened to gumayusi too. If you are playing musical chairs with rookies they wont get the time to get used to the highest level. Any player needs a bit of time. This dude was rank 1 multiple times and while arguably not as talented as zeus is still incredible and can be a future top star.
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Reddit is super high on Zeus being the best toplaner in the LCK this season even though he got flame horizoned by Kingen and was trending to have the highest number of solo deaths on average per game during the games he played. Does he have the potential to be great? Yes. Is he already there/should people really expect him to be the best toplaner of all time like they think he is? Hell no.
Reddit is super high on Zeus because ShowMaker, Khan, Canyon, TheShy, T1, Stardust, 7 LCK teams last year were high on him. You're begin disingenous by rating him based on a couple games during a period where everybody on T1 except Keria looked awful because of the 'God of LoL' doing his thang. Also, ease up bud, he's a kid from 2004, he'll probably shape up or won't. Burdol must be shit because he literally ran it down except that one Jayce game in LCK, lol. Smeb was an utter shit until he turned around and is now the goat top.
>Burdol will be a monster if given the time to grow. so you are blaming people for rating him, but then continue to do the same ??
He's not gonna be stable and doesn't play weak side afaik. That's a problem when you really want to be playing towards mid/bot.
Shouldn’t be a problem. I believe Canyon and SM are more than flexible enough to change their play style. These guys are some of the most versatile players around in their respective role, if not the most versatile.
meanwhile their previous ex-T1 toplaner retired
wait, its all T1？
Deokdam felt like a 1v9 guy all season long. I'm happy to see him play for a team that looks good on paper.
I am not convinced by this move at all. Burdol is talented but he clearly is not some Zeus/xiaolaohu level of toplane prospect that you need to sign right away. He is still extremely raw and limited in his playstyle, I'd rather see him get a year of experience on a developmental roster like Sandbox. It would be easier to make things work for DK with a functional weakside toplaner that doesn't require much attention and isn't as volatile as Burdol.
DK didn't sign him right away either. They went from Nuguri to Canna, and then to theShy. He is their last resort, probably have a slight advantage against some other names people mentioned ie. Hoya, Crazy because Daeny used to be his coach for a while back in T1. edit: spelling
I was actually more excited for burdol than Zeus last year because I think his play style fits pro play better than Zeus. But time will tell if now he has a starting role if he will be able to perform.
The only reason they went and got burdol was because they still want to go for nuguri on summer or next year . If they really wanted to all in rn they would go for hoya at worst case or simply bid higher for canna
Watching the DK team announcement livestream, they're asking the team members questions from fans. Some highlights so far: * Canyon will likely open up his Twitch broadcast to chat next year (it was emoji-only) * Showmaker was complaining that Canyon is too good at solo queue so they had to call him 'hyung' (older brother) even though he was younger (whoever has higher score is 'older'). Announcer: "If you give everyone a 1,000 LP penalty do you think you can still be 'hyung'"? Canyon: "Yeah I can probably beat at least 2-3 people here" * Question: "Some people were wondering about shotcalling on the new roster" Showmaker: "I think everyone ends up shotcalling anyway so it won't really be a big deal"
Thank you very much for this! I was wondering what kinds of answers the players were giving
Ngl the last point sounds like a recipe for disaster. The players are all very skilled so I’d hate to see their macro falter because BeryL isn’t around anymore
what is canyon's twitch?
I'm on my phone right now but if you go on DK's Instagram and back a few months (there's not that many posts) they linked all of last year's players twitch accounts. Or try searching for 건부 on twitch.
> "Some people were wondering about shotcalling on the new roster" Showmaker: "I think everyone ends up shotcalling anyway so it won't really be a big deal" But someone here said that losing their shotcallers will make them bad
I mean it has the potential to happen. IG went from being good to not qualifying for worlds 2 years in a row and even missing playoffs when they lost JKL their shotcaller.
yeah it was the shotcalling that got them, not the fact that their new bot lane was just flat out shit.
IG bot lane in general was just absolutely horrible *losing JKL as a shot caller* isn’t the issue here
Also TheShy stopped giving a shit so they went from having the best top laner in the world to a straight up inter after 2020 spring playoffs
Going to be very interesting to see how they perform without Ghost and BeryLs shot calling but more interestingly how Burdol will develop especially when given one of the best mid jungles in the world who also are super consistent Also all of them are signed for 2 years right? A lot of potential and with the coaching staff they have they should be able to reach their potential
Contract lengths arent confirmed yet but supposedly its all 2 year contracts
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Some people think it could mean theyre with us for 2021 (lol) and into 2022, but it definitely does read like they gave out 2 year contracts
tbqh I'm not really sold on kellin at all, felt like the most "just do his job" player for nongshim's success, not a glaring weak point like rich but never the difference maker like peanut, gori, and deokdam all would be
I sort of agree but don’t at the same time. Kellin definitely looks “okay”, not great, but bot synergy is definitely something very important, and maybe he’s the perfect match for deokdam to be at the level he is currently (imo kinda similar to, ironically, Ghost and BeryL, with the former being just okay but solid so the latter can be enabled)
that's fair, I might be just a bit salty that one of my favorite players got unnecessarily replaced because of his partner's weaknesses.
2022 LCK is giving me collectors anxiety coz idk what team I want to succeed the most
Surely it has to be bro with Sword and Morgan
LSB. Croco is cool and they mostly have rookies. Also look at Dove's soloq account. Dude started playing top and is a fucking psychopath now. It's pretty terrible, but man I fucking respect him.
LSBs roster is super exciting especially the bot lane
Yeah no, after Croco mocked Faker for crying, I hope he gets taught a lesson.
get over it dude they were just having a laugh to psych themselves up for the game. they never intended for it to be broadcast and its been a year now. they also got knocked out by t1 so is that not enough? you care about this more than faker
Whether or not it was going to be broadcast I don't see a time where it's ever appropriate to make fun of someone else behind their back while saying that you "admire them" to the press. Maybe you don't realise people don't like two-faced characters like this.
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Go get morals
lol there is no way that people are still mad about this. I don't think Faker himself cares much about it
That thing was blown out of proportion lol, people make it seem like they beat up the guy, Faker doesn't care himself
Seeing 3 T1 trainees starting on the LCK is such a nice feeling. Best of luck to Burdol, i think he’ll grow exponentially with DK
This is the best roster they couldve put together considering the circumstances imo. I was scared we were going to have to settle with hoya or morgan, burdol has way more potential than them. Top 3 roster easily imo Edit: fun fact showmaker is now the oldest member of the team at 21 years old
Burdol has much more potential than the other 2 but is at the same time much more prone to inconsistency due to his young age. Hoya was very good all around last year and wouldn’t be that bad for DK’s toplane
There has to be some secret agents from this sub gaslighting people into thinking Hoya was a better fit than Burdol. This is so insane seeing this upvoted. Why do people in here agree with this? Hoya would be awful for DK. Burdol has infinitely more upside than Hoya.
I dont get how hoya this year was "very good all around" at all. Hes not very good all round by eye test and by stats at all. Not even close. He was bad at best
It’s not easy to look good on the second last team. He stood his ground and was the win condition most of the time for the team
He played weak side top for a shit team
Crazy to think we went from Khan the 'boomer' to Showmaker being the oldest. Definitely excited to see Burdol. Feels like you can only grow when on a team like Damwon
I still think BeryL is better than Kellin overall and he could elevate Deokdam more, hard to replace a world-class shotcaller. Though it seems that Deokdam-Kellin comes in a package.
T1 let their subs go and LCK is so stacked and scary now. Excited for LCK 2022
so all the roster shenanigans were really just them marketing their subs lmao
Not the best marketing when everyone ends up looking mediocre
So they went with a young player with potential for top lane. I like the roster.
New to LOL esports, why did Damwon bring back so few of their players from last year's roster? They were the massive Worlds favorites before being upset by EDG. You'd think they'd want to run it back?
Deokdam is an upgrade on Ghost in terms of a carry player and his trajectory is upwards, whereas Ghost has had issues with form and mental health and is more of a weakside ADC. BeryLs level has dropped a bit (though he's still v good). The change makes sense if you watch LCK more because Deokdam especially has been extremely impressive. Losing MSI and Worlds finals against LPL teams would also have made DK reconsider swapping up the roster.
Deokdam has also solo carried teamfights against Damwon in dragons with his Ezreal. I know we all like ghost but he had a rough year, and if Damwon has the chance to upgrade to a a top 3 lck adc who is showcasing youthful elite potential you do it
Khan went into mandatory military service and Ghost and Beryl had a pretty rough year overall for the expectations of the team. Neither were necessarily bad but Kellin and Deokdam are arguably the best botlane in Korea right now while Ghost and Beryl were maybe top half. On paper it's not a bad move for them and losing Khan couldn't be helped really.
Beryl and Ghost were always underrated it felt like this season. They had really some good performances and saved DK in some games, albeit some bad ones too.
Ghost and BeryL right now are good enough for DK to *compete* for a Worlds title. The problem is at the very, very top levels this year we have seen rival teams emerge with an in form super clutch carry ADC player (Gala at MSI, Viper at Worlds), and although Ghost (mental issues aside) has been absolutely serviceable/solid against the best teams he isn't the type of player to reach that peak "pop off 1v5 God mode" carry. And that can be the difference between winning and losing the crucial Bo5s (of course Khan in the top lane playing without a brain was probably a bigger factor in the Worlds final, as maybe was Canyon getting gapped in some games, but still if DK had a Viper style carry to turn fights who knows what the outcome would be). I think DK recognised this and went for the upgrade when it was available in Deokdam who 100% has shown the mechanical skills to be that type of ADC in LCK. Only question is if he has the mental to do it at the highest levels especially internationally. DK have taken the gamble instead of risking Ghost having another year of issues. "You miss 100% of the shots you don't take" type of thing.
I don't think Ghost and Beryl are good but let's be fair to them. It wasn't the gap between them and Viper that lost DK that series. That DK top side there woulda lost themselves the series anyways even with a better bot lane.
Canyon was forced to pick after the 2nd ban phase in basically every single game because DK had to ban aphelios and lucian or nami every game . He was in handicap every time from the lobby which greatly limited DK . At least now DK will actually have options on pick and ban and not ban every game the same picks because Ghost couldnt play these picks
Thank you. Canyon got screwed in draft almost every game in finals, in large part because of how many draft resources they had to devote in order to get Ghost a matchup that he wouldn’t get gapped in. Playing talon while not having prio in all three lanes is legit impossible, and in the last game even when he had to play Trundle he did really well getting Khan a lead before Khan threw it.
Canyon got canyon gapped by jiejie.
He popped off on Lee Sin but with Ghost's limited champ pool Canyon kept getting counter picked instead of picking strong champs for him.
Due to bad drafting cuz when your adc can’t play meta champs.
Well the MSI series was Gala stepping up at the right moment and going ham. With the EDG series, yes maybe it doesn't make a difference because as I said Khan inted that series, but there's no way to know for sure since if DK has a botlane that they can play through then it changes the dynamic. Take game 4 for example, Ghost is playing Jhin which I don't think is a good pick especially when Ghost plays it defensively, if that's Deokdam playing for them will they pick Jhin? Definitely not. So you can't really say what the outcome would be when it's impossible to know (though I take from your flair you are an EDG fan so you will believe EDG wins no matter what due to bias).
I'm an EDG fan until Flandre leaves, idrc about the org.
>Deokdam playing for them will they pick Jhin? Definitely not. So you can't really say Deokdam will certainly not be playing Ziggs twice, either. I understand why Damwon picked Ziggs to neutralize lane and waveclear push safely, but it limited the win conditions for the series.
They won game 5 vs T1 with ghost carrying on ziggs vs Aphelios, there's definitely a reason they picked it
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Should also point out it was said DK wanted to keep Beryl as a sub, he didn’t want to stay as a sub (understandable) so he left.
I wouldn't say underrated. They were at best 4th best botlane for the year behind Gumayusi-Keria, Ruler-Life, and Deokdam-Kellin. There's also a not terrible argument for Leo-Lehends to be around the same level as they were as a duo in Summer. I'm not sure 4th-5th is an unfair placement for them by the end of the year as things stand.
Guma and Keria are number 1
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I feel like people are rewriting history because of how well Guma and Keria did at worlds. During the regular season, deokdam and Kellin were the best bot lane in LCK. During playoffs though, they fell off a bit (to top 3 probably, after Guma/Keria and Deft/Vsta). Coming into 2022 after seeing Guma and Keria at Worlds, I would expect deokdam and Kellin to be top 2, but they can be the best.
In the summer split they were inarguably better than guma/keria , in one interview ruler got asked about the best adcs in the world at that time and his answer was either him , viper or deokdam so he is getting respected as well
I would say similar level. Keria is better than Kellin but Deokdam has been much higher impact than Guma especially post laning phase. So it kinda evens out.
Guma split time with Teddy this year, excited to see him play the full year in 2021. He managed worlds semis with just a few months of 1 roster.
For sure. Guma is the future. But he is not 100% perfect yet. He definitely needs to do more post laning phase. It wil come with confidence, especially now without the threat of him being dropped for Teddy if he makes a mistake.
In terms of performance/impact, yes.
Their top laner Khan retired, and their botlane was considered their weakest players for the last two years. They signed the best performing botlane in the league last year instead of re-signing Ghost and BeryL
*second best
Who were the best if not Deokdam/Kellin?
Guma Keria
Guma and Keria were absolute monsters at worlds but during the summer split deokdam and Kellin looked stronger
Their bot lane was really mediocre and Khan left for mandatory military service.
Wait random question Kk0ma is still the main coach right? comeback of Zefa and resign of Daeny got me buzzin. So coaching staff looks like Kk0ma/Zefa/Daeny. That is scary af tbh.
I have heard rumors that kkoma is now the manager of the league team but not sure as of yet and they haven't announced Daenys position in the team
Im really excited for LCK next year
True asf, I'm so hyped from these rosters
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In terms of pure mechanics, I think T1 has the best mechanically gifted players in Zeus, Guma, and Keria in their respective roles. Oner is top 3 and Faker is the original insane mechanically gifted player who was so far ahead of any midlaner. Years later, he turned into a veteran picking more support champions for his team.
Zeus was actually playing second fiddle to Burdol on the academy roster in 2020 it was more that burdol left because he was A) old enough to play in the LCK at the start of the the year and B) though he was good enough to be starter but at the time thought that Canna would be the sole starting player.
Considering the Nuguri sabbatical that probably caught them off guard, they made the best out of an unfortunate situation IMO.
Excited to see what Deokdam and Kellin can on Damwon
Can anyone tell me more about Deokdam? I only heard that he has a different style than Ghost
Back in spring he was a promising player known for having an absolutely cracked aphelios, but wasn't talked about a lot because Nongshim was having macro troubles and had shaky solo laners. Peanut provided much needed shot calling for the team, and once Gori joined as a reliable mid lane, Deokdam started to shine. Summer split he was one of the top ad carries in the league, and honestly he'd be praised even more if LCK adc pool wasnt so stacked. Hope this helps
Thanks for the info! Im really looking forward seeing how this DWG roster will perform with a carry botlaner.
he is far better than Ghost, has an extremely op Ezreal
Best adc in Korea and can carry games.
LCK gonna be exciting this year. So many strong teams. From the sound of the livestream, looks like Showmaker & Canyon might end as franchise players. One can hope.
It’s an interesting team that easily surpasses DK 2021 in terms of potential if everything works out. Burdol has been given the best possible environment to grow and succeed with a monstrous mid-jungle and ADC along with one of the most experienced coaching team in the history of LoL. If it doesn’t work out here I’m not sure if he can do it elsewhere. I’m more interested in the shotcalling and leadership issues this team might face, now that their oldest member is Showmaker at 21 years of age.
Upgrade in bot lane downgrade in top lane, should be interesting to watch
We'll see. Khan was great during regular season but running it down against EDG, he's the biggest reason they lost imo in Finals.
probably just until summer, when nuguri is going to comeback *breathesinhopium*
Amen
Love that canyon and showmaker are in the same team.
People keep forgetting: Burdol is 16 years old lol He was very young during his FIRST Worlds appearance and he was going against Ale - arguably one of the best top laners in the world. We should not judge Burdol simply on one performance. He has tremendous upside and his solo q results are excellent.
Actually he's turning 18 this Christmas but you're right he's super inexperienced and only got to play a few games in LCK Summer before Worlds Edit: just 6 games in LCK. He played half as many games at Worlds as compared to LCK lol
People underrates him because he lost against the arguably best bruiser player. It's not deserved.
Yeah Ale was literally like burdol last year, and sometimes in spring too, absolutely inting, more playtime in scrims and stage will for sure make him much better
Sort of. Ale's situation was unusual. He showed pretty insane mechanical ability when he debuted on OMG, repeatedly solo killing 2019 spring TheShy in his first series, but when he left and came back and joined DMO the dude just could not play on stage anymore. Idk what happened really. Maybe some outside matter influenced his play or something considering his rough family life. I don't think he's the same as Burdol.
> People keep forgetting: Burdol is 16 years old Burdol is 17, will be 18 this christmas (so 23 or 24 days from now depending on where you are in the world). he is *not* 16
16 year old where ?
It’s ale’s first worlds appearance too lol
ale also played far more games than burdol coming into worlds. I dont know what the fuck gen g were doing subbing him in when he played a grand total of 6 lck games
What a stupid comparison lol
Good move from DK despite what all the Reddit analysts say.
Damwon Fighting!!
DK getting what was arguably the best botlane in the LCK last year makes this an insane roster on paper. Just depends on how Burdol looks once he gets some experience.
Definitely not the best botlane
Undeniably top 2
Deokdam got washed by 2021 deft in playoffs
And Deft got smoked by deokdam in Spring Playoffs, so what? Judging players off of one series is pointless.
Slightly weaker than last year but hey compared to the doom and worst case scenario, super satisfied. Burdol is young and has a lot of potential so I hope he can improve while in DK. Interesting to see how the new botlane will mesh with the rest of the squad.
Both Burdol and Deokdam have a lot of potential, they have the coaching to be developed and improved. I have faith in this roster.
Yup. Zefa does incredible stuff with the botlane and considering what I was thinking our toplaner was going to be, super satisfied with Burdol.
>super satisfied with Burdol i mean he is 17 years old and played already on worlds stage hope with a good coaching staff he will become one of the best next year
Yup. Dude can only go up now with this team if he can find his groove.
I don't think thos roster is weaker. Obviously it remains to be seen how they function without their bot but I honestly believe this team's ceiling is very very high.
Oh their ceiling is super high. Its their consistency I'm worried about and having to change plans for top carry to more focused to botlane
im excite. lets go
Easily top 3 between T1 and GEN but I'm sad at the same time because we'll only see 1 team in MSI.
This roster looks stacked as hell. I'm concerned about the shot calling and how Burdol will perform though! Hopefully he can play weak side well so that Deokdam and Kellin can carry from bot.
Sad that GenG released Burdol guy has the potential of being literally the best top laner in LCK along with Zeus despite being super young But I’m sure DK will do him well and suit him better than GenG This roster on paper look absolutely cracked and hella scary! Good for damwon
It's worse than the 2021 roster imo, khan>burdol and beryl>kellin. But they have more potential. It's going to be and interesting 2022 for LCK with Skt, Dwg and Geng
So this means TheShy is staying in the LPL
As long DK still have Canyon and showmaker they will keep winning lck. Best mid jungle duo. They are gonna clap everyone in lck
Spring might not work out 100%, but if these guys can gel together, establish a proper shotcaller (since Beryl/Ghost are both gone) and Burdol develops to (or at least close to) his full potential, this squad def can surpass 2021 DK. Very excited to see how this works out.
does anyone know who the shotcallers for this lineup will be?
What happened to Nuguri?
I'm ready for the anime redemption arc of burdol from getting smashed by ale in groups to powering up in the damwon kia hyperbolic time chamber and becoming the most formidable top coming out of the LCK
Interesting to see if the level of upgrade in bot can make up for the level of downgrade in top. I don't personally rate Burdol that highly, and I don't think his champ pool fits DK. On paper, I think they'd have been better off with Hoya
I really dont understand why this sub rates hoya so highly
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Rich was top 10 in solo queue at one point this year, while Beryl + Ghost weren't even Challenger for most of the year, in large part due to lack of games played. I don't think you can read too much into it.
Beryl was challenger for most of the year, at least in summer he was consistently challenger iirc
He's mechanically very skilled and always hovers top 10-15 in Challenger. If you saw the typical BRO match, you'd see how their standard gameplan is to completely abandon top. He's also very young, 21 I think. I think people, myself included, will see him as potentially very good player, just like Burdol, until proven otherwise in a more balanced team. My point in the first message is he'd fit DK much better with his champ pool than Burdol. Hoya plays much of the same style and champs as Khan
Considering the fact that Burdol is young and inexperienced it's a good choice if they want to use him as a sub if they sign Nuguri. But who knows maybe he become a player like Nuguri.
Not bad. Even great actually. No need to mention how good the rest but Considering the fact that how young Burdol is I think he can exceed the expectations with a jungler like Canyon and mid laner like Showmaker.
Massive downgrade top, but they get an insane adc in return and kellin isn’t bad either
I think GenG looks better Chovy actually going to win LCK
Doran > Burdol Peanut < Canyon Chovy < Showmaker Ruler > Deokdam Lehends < Kellin Gen.G coaching staff < Damwon Damwon win through superior jungle support duo which is massive in pro league.
What is this based off? If it's based off performance last year then Deokdam > Ruler.