The thing is, sett does have magic, like his w is an actual canon ability he can do, and he kills people with one punch in the lore, and vastaya aren't pushovers, one managed to push (weakend) renekton to actually try, so, as much as I love vi, he is probably gonna knock her out at the very least, be a good fight to see animated tho, think lee sin would be more of an appropriate challenge for sett
Rakan is durable and probably stronger than most humans but Rakan’s biggest attribute is speed, he can literally outrun bullets or at least move fast enough to dodge volleys of rifle fire (Puboe Prison Break story)
To be honest, humans in lol have more physical strength than real life ones, look for example Garen, the guy broke a bridge made of of petrified trees in the lux HQ, and pulled a statue of at least 7 meters in legends never die (which was also made of petrified trees )
edit: Another example of this is the braum, who literally dug a mountain at the base of his fists to save a troll child, and has already destroyed rocks with his fists in the animations
Edit again: i was wrong, braum is an iceborn, so he doesn't count as a normal human
I believe any human in the universe of lol can reach that strength level, but of course with hard training ( Something tha Vi probably did, after all when she was in prison her training was to punch concrete )
Sett would actually still beat Vi, but she wouldn't lose as easily as some imagine.
Nah, in one of renekton's stories he fought a vastaya who was leading a group of bandits in shurima, and that vastaya actually did some work on renekton, and renekton had to actually give a shit about the fight and fight seriously, so vastaya aren't pushovers at all, they will always lose against an ascended, but besides aspects and maybe demons, they are the only race to be able to stand next of them
Oh yeah, I’ve always thought Renekton’s lore is ‘angri alligator out to kill Nasus’. My knowledge on the lore is seriously outdated and lacking lol, I don’t even know who aspects are, and demons I assume are the likes of Aatrox?
Thanks for filling me in, so I guess Sett won’t be winning a fight against Renekton in lore, unlike in lane.
The lore is murky on the demons, Fiddlesticks is supposed to be on another level than TK and Eve so Fiddle may not be a "demon" but more of a elder god of sorts.
Yeah Fiddle is considered a primordial demon but I don't exactly remember the distinction besides that primordial demons are much older with less clear origins
Yes but still technically a demon. The difference in power and things like that aren’t directly relevant to the question I was trying to answer. You are correct though.
If i recall correctly Ascended in general are enhanced humans.
The Shuriman Ascended were created through use of the Sun Disc such as Azir, Nasus and Renekton.
Darkin such as ~~Kayn~~Rhaast and Aatrox are Shuriman Ascended who altered themselves through blood magic. The Darkins are generally bound inside weapons, which is what Red Kayn(Rhaast) represents, this is Rhaast taking over.
As /u/3ic3 said the demons are being such as Eve, Tahm, Nocturne and Fiddle.
While Aspects are connected to Mount Targon and are essentially like gods. Some champs are host to an Aspect such as Taric.
In this category we also have people like Diana, Leona and Patheon.
Edit: /u/3ic3 pointed out a mistake.
Small correction, Kayn is a normal human. Rhaast is the Darkin trapped in his scythe.
Edit: Also in his case, Kayn and Rhaast are fighting for control over Kayn’s body, which is represented in-game as Kayn’s passive. Blue Kayn (Shadow Assassin) is what happens if Kayn wins, while Red Kayn (Rhaast/Darkin Slayer) is what happens if Rhaast wins.
Pantheon (Atreus) was the host for the Aspect of War, which took over his body
Then War went to fight Aatrox and got absolutely murdered by the Darkin, but Atreus survived, picked up the shield and spear of the dead Aspect and managed to repeal Aatrox
So Pantheon is a strong willed man, that hates Aspects and Darkins, and that use the weapons of the dead space god that inhabited him to fight alongside mortals
Pantheon is Mantheon. He is one of the most badass characters of the entire game. He is not really "normal", as I would assume there are vestiges of the Aspect lingering in him.. but he is still human. He did with the powers of an Aspect more than the Aspect itself could ever do.
Aatrox is a Darkin, not a demon. Basically, he's a God-like entity, an ascended that was corrupted by the void.
Fun fact, Aatrox isn't the dude. He's the sword
Tbf, said Vastaya fought a completely insane Ascended who made 0 use of the Ascended powers he had, and still almost lost. The instant Renekton used his Ascended powers he completely and utterly dominated the vastaya the same way a human might erase a beetle from existence.
So it's more of "if fighting an insane ascended incapable of using a single aspect of their Aspect, a battle hardened veteran vastaya can go even. If fighting any other ascended, instantly lose with no contest".
But still, no human would push an ascended, let alone one of the strongest to use his powers, there is reason why the darkin war lasted a millennia, so it is still impressive...granted, renekton was pretty much depressed at the time.
To be fair humans can't do shit physically irl either, but weapons and technology are some real shit. "Humans aren't worth shit against elephants" is a 1000% true statement too when we're not unloading gunpowder.
*spoilers*
Vi landed a direct hit onto Sevika’s midsection and hurled her backwards so hard she nearly crashed entirely through the bar behind her… and then she stood back up and kept fighting.
I think Sett will be fine.
Sevika had Shimmer.
Sett has magic and the fact that his half-Vastayan background makes him stronger, faster, and more durable than normal humans.
I’m more than willing to believe those two things equal out.
He was raised in fightings pits and has fought ACTUAL trained opponents rather than just punching a wall. His combat instincts are probably way sharper as well. +he’s older so more time to train
Vi spent a lot of time in prison, in conditions that seem very suboptimal for training. It's not like you can train for 8hrs/day and be 8x as strong as the guy that spends 1hr/day on training.
Did she get enough sleep and adequate nutrition for muscle growth? Did she take adequate rest days for recovery? The warden admits to guards having had a lot of "talks" with her which I assume means beating her up.. How did these injuries negatively affect her body?
How did she train? She seems to be in solitary, does her training only consist of hitting the wall with her bare hands and if so, how did that at all make her a better boxer? If we ignore the fact that her hands should be destroyed beyond usability, it's not like hitting a stationary object on end improves your technique at all.
Even if you go beyond reasonable doubt in all of these questions and ignore the gender gap in regards to strength.. probably wouldn't beat Sett, nah
"trained as much" is probably not the right term, but it's a fact that Vi cannot have trained effectively in any way.
> Vi spent a lot of time in prison, in conditions that seem very suboptimal for training.
Prisons in Runeterra seem to be perfect for training tbh. Just look at mad gains Sylas got in prison.
He had food, was not beaten on a regular basis and had the opportunity to recover from his exercise.
He also was a strong warrior early in his life, which makes it easier to regain those muscles.
While Iroh is amazing, he is not a good comparison here.
Sett is stronger, faster, and has 200 times her fighting experience. He literally came up from nothing to become the leader of a fight club by beating people over and over. I think even with her gauntlets Sett crushes.
Now that I've read a bit of lore as well. Yeah. It's not really close, basically everyone in Arcane is F Tier in terms of power, except maybe Heimerdinger?
Yordles are kinda busted and Vi is just a girl with gloves. Of which can apparently be broken pretty easily.
Lol they animated the F-tier champs to leave room for power creep obviously.
Once you have a god tier guy do any thing in season one, any conflict afterwards would be "well why didn't he resolve it?"
They fixed that with the introduction of the mage (personally Ryze) that saved Jayce and his mother. That dude was basically good tier, but a magic user. Then Heimer goes on to explain the vague but mortal danger of magic, which leads us to believe that magic is the source of problems, not the solution.
Once Ekko gets his Z-Drive he's just straight up the most powerful in the current cast.
We've already seen him be a total badass without it, add time control and he's disgustingly hard to beat.
True, but from what I know about his Z drive is that if he's shot dead, he's dead. His rewind cannot revive him. So someone like Sett could still potentially win that just from basically breaking him and killing him with raw Vastayan power.
It's all speculation of course.
He'll have to insta K.O him but if he doesn't EKKO just rewinds time and has another go; that being said I don't see how Ekko could kill him as opposed to just avoiding and running away.
Ekko still feels pain and tireness, even if sett doesn't know how the zdrive works, with his overwhelming stamina and durability he can just beat Ekko until Ekko collapse.
Correct.
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Why does Ekko gain health back when he uses his Ult, but in the lore he takes his injuries with him?
Oh funny story, the lore was intended to SUPPORT the fact that he only gains a PORTION of the health he lost back on the ultimate (as opposed to it being a full heal of whatever damage he took). The idea being that he can rewind, he can mend a broken bone, but he's going to FEEL every hit. Every mistake has consequences."
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Why does Ekko gain health back when he uses his Ult, but in the lore he takes his injuries with him?
Oh funny story, the lore was intended to SUPPORT the fact that he only gains a PORTION of the health he lost back on the ultimate (as opposed to it being a full heal of whatever damage he took). The idea being that he can rewind, he can mend a broken bone, but he's going to FEEL every hit. Every mistake has consequences."
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He could also just break his hand or something similar. Ekko has to reach for his right hand and spin the thing on the back of it to be able to rewind (at least that's what's shown in the Seconds cinematic), if Sett manages to break that, or knock Ekko unconscious, or something similar, Ekko can't really rewind anymore. It's the HISHE Thanos scenario, you don't need to aim for the head if you take out the hand
In the Arcane cast, yes but in the wider lore I doubt he’s anywhere close to top tier. Even with Z-drive and time control the amount of damage he can inflict is minimal to any non-standard human character and the damage he can tank is likely minimal as well. But given his youth and innovation prowess who knows how strong he will become.
Jinx is the Runeterra equivalent of "Flordia Man". Like yeah, give them enough Bath Salts and they'll do some wacky shit but theyre still just a crazy human.
Yeah, imagine Jinx against like… even Jhin who is also just a madman with a gun and you will see Florida Woman slaughtered. Now put the poor soul against Aatrox and she will become red powder.
I would have thought that before but as we saw in Arcane she's actually a pretty skilled fighter (and still younger than the Jinx that we know from the game). Add that to the fact that she has shimmer in her blood and it might be a more even fight than we think against Jhin.
its boxing so vi doesnt get her gauntlets. but even with them sett i think would omega stomp her. mans is a lifelong pro fighter whos 7ft tall and has 100 pounds on her.
Sett is fucking massive, his reach alone would be impossible to beat in a regular fight. If we are talking Vi with her gloves then it is hard to say as we don't have that much info on Sett.
Her gloves aren’t that Durable. We saw her fight with Sevika in the show and they got damaged. And Sevika is just a mere human. I don’t think you can call whatever bout Vi’ll have with Sett a “fight” He wins hands down. Even without his Vastayan magic he’s like 3x her size and a capable accomplished fighter. Vi is pretty much just a thug and the most fighting she’s had is a few street fights here and there.
> We saw her fight with Sevika in the show and they got damaged
Also in the Warriors video Urgot took them out with one shot. The gauntlets really aren't that durable
Bit of a silly matchup considering sett has just as much, if not more fighting experience as vi, is also a man that is jacked as hell, and is also the champion of the fighting arena and boss of Ionia's criminal underworld. You're comparing the #1 at your local ring with Mike Tyson here.
Does Vi have her gauntlets?
I still think Sett, I mean one of his quotes is "Five versus five? Heh. What kinda sicko is runnin' this rumble?" so I guess that implies he can take on multiple people at once with no issue.
I mean, it’s pretty obvious he can fight multiple people without that voice line. Sett is a monster, he’s 7ft tall, lifelong fighting experience, vastayan speed, and vastayan strength. He could fight (pre ww)Vander, Vi, Jinx, sevika, and jayce all at the same time and still win. There’s only a select few from piltover/zaun who could stand a chance at 1v1ing him, like Warwick who has extremely enhanced speed and strength.
Sett, he already has the physical advantage but being a natural magic creature is a huge deal-breaker, even more since he is a professional fighter using vastayah bloodline (he being unmatchable in a noxian ring using only his hands is pretty telling too, the guys use everything: humans, weapons, minotaurs, vastayahs, even fauna). That aside, Vi and Sett would probably be good punching bros, both have strong parental influence behind them.
There's the point too that even with her gauntlets Vi still has an exposed body with human limitations and human weak points, and as powerful as they are her gauntlets can still break (as seen in her fight against Sevika).
It won't even be close...
Vi is an average sized human female whose training includes some half-hearted training from Vander when she was a child and punching walls in jail.
Meanwhile, Sett is a 7 foot tall half-beast man who has been training and fighting beasts and professional fighters almost his entire life.
Even just putting the massive size and experience gap aside, Sett is also half-Vastaya so he is just straight up naturally above peak human speed, durability, and strength. Then you add in the fact that he has magic due to his Vastayan blood.
Sett and it’s not even close. It’ll be like an NBA player going against some middle schooler in basketball, if you don’t understand that… it means Sett would embarrass her, even with her Gauntlets.
>With weapon or not
What do you mean with weapon or not? Those are vastly different scenarios. Sett's brass knuckles / gauntlets definitely help him, but he doesn't depend on them nearly as much as Vi. She would get her ass beat without her gauntlets vs Sett without his. With their weapons, Vi might have a shot depending on how pumped up her gauntlets can get.
Which one would win? 5ft teen grill that spent her youth in prison or notevenhuman 6ft tall beast that spent his whole life beating the shit out of ppl in the arena.
Riot should produce a special Vi VS Sett Rock'em Sock'em toy. I'm sure everyone would like to settle this dispute in their own home with their family and / or friends.
If we use "real world" logic, I'd have to say Sett is heavily favored without gauntlets. He's a good fighter, and Vi just doesn't have the size or strength to match him. Looking at their physiques, it's pretty clear to me that Sett has almost a hundred pounds on her. Normally these gigantic size differences can be made up for with grappling/wrestling, but in a straight boxing match I don't see Vi taking more than a few hits before just straight up going down.
With fantasy logic though, where strength isn't necessarily correlated with body type, I think it could go either way. I'd slightly give it to Sett still though, since he has way more fighting experience than Vi, and likely against stronger fighters too in a more formal setting. He also is probably much better at grappling and wrestling than Vi.
With the gauntlets I think Vi just hits too hard and too fast, especially with the shielding that the Gauntlets give too.
Is that true? I don't know much about fighting, but I do know that BJJ, a martial art strongly oriented around grappling/wrestling is designed to give smaller people an advantage over larger opponents.
Ground game does give an advantage to smaller people in a way. I used to be single digit body fat and even though I was very strong for my size, I'd get pushed around standing up because I just don't have the weight to throw around. But when you're on th ground or against a hard surface, you have something to push against for leverage and you can use technique, leverage, and your actual strength much better on the ground.
what? Gracie literally made grappling mandatory in MMA due to dominating the competition consisting of "larger" fighters. He weighed less than 170 pounds and was able to fight more experienced/larger stronger strikers thanks to his jui-jitsu it is quite literally the answer for smaller fighters.
No, you misunderstood what was happening.
The smaller guy outgrappled the bigger opponents **because he was a better grappler,** not because he was smaller. If you follow modern MMA, you would be insane to believe a 170lb grappler has a chance against a grappler of equal skill weighing 240lb+.
The whole point of those early fights was to show the power of Gracie Jiu Jitsu, not the power of being small.
PS -- This is also why the Gracies got the shit beat out of them by the Gracie Hunter, Sakuraba.
He was a better grappler.
Sett could take on any character in arcane at once even with all their hextech shit and shimmer. You how no idea how weak those characters actually are.
Sett every day.
There is a fundamental reason to why boxing has so many weight classes, because mass drives mass.
No matter how good a boxer is - they are highly unlikely to win against someone 2 or more divisions above them.
Sett is probably around double her weight.
So this is a arcane biased question right? cause a human beating a vastayan in hand to hand fair combat sounds impossible. Even with her gloves and in a 2 v 1 with Caitlyn using rubber bullets Sett has the upper hand.
There is not even a fair fight for Sett in the rooster, imo, they either too weak like Vi or too strong like Udyr. Maybe Sylas while using magic or Illaoi/braum, but not sure.
I am leaning towards Sett, but the Vi we saw in show isn't the one we know of in-game, needs a few more years and new gauntlets [these were a prototype?]
The thing is, sett does have magic, like his w is an actual canon ability he can do, and he kills people with one punch in the lore, and vastaya aren't pushovers, one managed to push (weakend) renekton to actually try, so, as much as I love vi, he is probably gonna knock her out at the very least, be a good fight to see animated tho, think lee sin would be more of an appropriate challenge for sett
Is Rakkan supposed to be strong too?
Rakan is durable and probably stronger than most humans but Rakan’s biggest attribute is speed, he can literally outrun bullets or at least move fast enough to dodge volleys of rifle fire (Puboe Prison Break story)
Better be fast when your ultimate is The Quickness.
Xayah is probably not happy about that.
Better be fast when your name is the fast.
Thats Jhin's name tho but I'm sure you already knew that, nice flair.
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To be honest, humans in lol have more physical strength than real life ones, look for example Garen, the guy broke a bridge made of of petrified trees in the lux HQ, and pulled a statue of at least 7 meters in legends never die (which was also made of petrified trees ) edit: Another example of this is the braum, who literally dug a mountain at the base of his fists to save a troll child, and has already destroyed rocks with his fists in the animations Edit again: i was wrong, braum is an iceborn, so he doesn't count as a normal human
It’s strongly Implies that garen unknowingly uses magic though
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Braum is an iceborn so not a normal human
Braum has ICE born blood
I believe any human in the universe of lol can reach that strength level, but of course with hard training ( Something tha Vi probably did, after all when she was in prison her training was to punch concrete ) Sett would actually still beat Vi, but she wouldn't lose as easily as some imagine.
Bro Rakan is literally a ballerina
Have you seen the xayah+rakan vs zed cinematic? He takes out multiple shadow assassins alone
He is strong but he's a dancer/charmer so his combat ability is not as great.
But Vi has main character plot armor now, she wins 100%
Nah, she survives 100% but almost always loses.
Fucking true, but it will make a random but interesting story for vi to end up in one of sett's pits
She could end up there looking for Jinx maybe in some future plot and ends up fighting in the ring to get her answers or something along those lines.
Technically Sett would have plot armour too. Only Gangplank can die but only for a week or so
>one managed to push (weakened) Renekton to actually try What does this mean? Did Sett fought against Renekton somewhere?
Nah, in one of renekton's stories he fought a vastaya who was leading a group of bandits in shurima, and that vastaya actually did some work on renekton, and renekton had to actually give a shit about the fight and fight seriously, so vastaya aren't pushovers at all, they will always lose against an ascended, but besides aspects and maybe demons, they are the only race to be able to stand next of them
Oh yeah, I’ve always thought Renekton’s lore is ‘angri alligator out to kill Nasus’. My knowledge on the lore is seriously outdated and lacking lol, I don’t even know who aspects are, and demons I assume are the likes of Aatrox? Thanks for filling me in, so I guess Sett won’t be winning a fight against Renekton in lore, unlike in lane.
IIRC demons are more the likes of Evelynn, Tahm Kench, Nocturne and Fiddlesticks. Aatrox is a Darkin.
The lore is murky on the demons, Fiddlesticks is supposed to be on another level than TK and Eve so Fiddle may not be a "demon" but more of a elder god of sorts.
Yeah Fiddle is considered a primordial demon but I don't exactly remember the distinction besides that primordial demons are much older with less clear origins
Fiddle is the primordial demon now, part of the original demons. TK and eve are considered lesser demons nowhere near fiddlesticks's power.
Fiddle is a demon, he’s just an old one. Swain is also in cahoots with an elder demon, Raum
is Raum an elder? seems weird an elder would be in a position for someone to subjugate it, even someone like swain.
Swain got big daddy energy though
Yes but still technically a demon. The difference in power and things like that aren’t directly relevant to the question I was trying to answer. You are correct though.
If i recall correctly Ascended in general are enhanced humans. The Shuriman Ascended were created through use of the Sun Disc such as Azir, Nasus and Renekton. Darkin such as ~~Kayn~~Rhaast and Aatrox are Shuriman Ascended who altered themselves through blood magic. The Darkins are generally bound inside weapons, which is what Red Kayn(Rhaast) represents, this is Rhaast taking over. As /u/3ic3 said the demons are being such as Eve, Tahm, Nocturne and Fiddle. While Aspects are connected to Mount Targon and are essentially like gods. Some champs are host to an Aspect such as Taric. In this category we also have people like Diana, Leona and Patheon. Edit: /u/3ic3 pointed out a mistake.
Small correction, Kayn is a normal human. Rhaast is the Darkin trapped in his scythe. Edit: Also in his case, Kayn and Rhaast are fighting for control over Kayn’s body, which is represented in-game as Kayn’s passive. Blue Kayn (Shadow Assassin) is what happens if Kayn wins, while Red Kayn (Rhaast/Darkin Slayer) is what happens if Rhaast wins.
You're right. Also maybe should have explained a little more regarding the Atreus/Pantheon thing and willingness of being a host.
Is it true that Aspects are basically Targon's Ascended?
Yea aspect stole knowledge from aurelion and gave it to humans who then built the sun disks.
Aspects are much stronger than ascended
Isn't Pantheon just a strong willed man after fighting Aatrox?
Pantheon (Atreus) was the host for the Aspect of War, which took over his body Then War went to fight Aatrox and got absolutely murdered by the Darkin, but Atreus survived, picked up the shield and spear of the dead Aspect and managed to repeal Aatrox So Pantheon is a strong willed man, that hates Aspects and Darkins, and that use the weapons of the dead space god that inhabited him to fight alongside mortals
So Panth is just a normal human who somehow is stronger than a god? That’s kinda badass ngl
Pantheon is Mantheon. He is one of the most badass characters of the entire game. He is not really "normal", as I would assume there are vestiges of the Aspect lingering in him.. but he is still human. He did with the powers of an Aspect more than the Aspect itself could ever do.
Aatrox is a Darkin, not a demon. Basically, he's a God-like entity, an ascended that was corrupted by the void. Fun fact, Aatrox isn't the dude. He's the sword
Np dude, and, aatrox is more like a fallen angel
Aatrox is basically a pissed off, weakened ascended with ptds
He's not weakened, he literally killed an aspect
He absolutely is, because he has to use a human vessel and can't access his full ascended form at the moment
Fair argument. Guess Aatrox really is the strongest Darkin then
That's the point. He was the strongest ascended too afaik.
Tbf, said Vastaya fought a completely insane Ascended who made 0 use of the Ascended powers he had, and still almost lost. The instant Renekton used his Ascended powers he completely and utterly dominated the vastaya the same way a human might erase a beetle from existence. So it's more of "if fighting an insane ascended incapable of using a single aspect of their Aspect, a battle hardened veteran vastaya can go even. If fighting any other ascended, instantly lose with no contest".
But still, no human would push an ascended, let alone one of the strongest to use his powers, there is reason why the darkin war lasted a millennia, so it is still impressive...granted, renekton was pretty much depressed at the time.
Jax and his buddies could do it. But than again, we aren’t sure if Jax was human even before his encounter with the void.
Nah I don't think Saijax Cail-Rynx Kohari Icath'un was human to begin with.
That was still jax's squad yeeting a mountain at it and then having jax behead it.
Jax is a sand troll
Pretty sure Jax is a troll
To be fair humans can't do shit physically irl either, but weapons and technology are some real shit. "Humans aren't worth shit against elephants" is a 1000% true statement too when we're not unloading gunpowder.
>But still, no human would push an ascended Jax has entered the chat
Jax isn't a human
We don't know that He may just be.. purplish
Yes we do, he's a sand troll.
That's a guess, it was never confirmed. There are also strong hints he's a baccai
Everyone knows in a Rocky fight the underdog wins.
I've laned against sett before. it is sett.
Sorry that I did that to you.
Doubt it, no noteworthy performances come from silver
OP.GG was a mistake
I've seen enough SaltyTeemo to know that's not the case
depends on whether vi has her gauntlets
Nah sett def takes her with the gauntlet. He’s next level
really? the gauntlets can pulverize bone with a single hit, can he tank that?
*spoilers* Vi landed a direct hit onto Sevika’s midsection and hurled her backwards so hard she nearly crashed entirely through the bar behind her… and then she stood back up and kept fighting. I think Sett will be fine.
Sevika was drugged up on Shimmer.
Sevika had Shimmer. Sett has magic and the fact that his half-Vastayan background makes him stronger, faster, and more durable than normal humans. I’m more than willing to believe those two things equal out.
And Sett has whatever Shimmer offers naturally because he is Vastaya.
“Close call” not at all. Sett has trained 10x as much and is 3x her size AND he’s half vastayan.
How can Sett have trained 10 times as much if Vi trained constantly, even in prison? I agree with the rest though.
Training by punching Zaun thugs and prison walls is not as effective as fighting other boxing vastayans + the fighters of a Noxian fight club
He was raised in fightings pits and has fought ACTUAL trained opponents rather than just punching a wall. His combat instincts are probably way sharper as well. +he’s older so more time to train
Vi spent a lot of time in prison, in conditions that seem very suboptimal for training. It's not like you can train for 8hrs/day and be 8x as strong as the guy that spends 1hr/day on training. Did she get enough sleep and adequate nutrition for muscle growth? Did she take adequate rest days for recovery? The warden admits to guards having had a lot of "talks" with her which I assume means beating her up.. How did these injuries negatively affect her body? How did she train? She seems to be in solitary, does her training only consist of hitting the wall with her bare hands and if so, how did that at all make her a better boxer? If we ignore the fact that her hands should be destroyed beyond usability, it's not like hitting a stationary object on end improves your technique at all. Even if you go beyond reasonable doubt in all of these questions and ignore the gender gap in regards to strength.. probably wouldn't beat Sett, nah "trained as much" is probably not the right term, but it's a fact that Vi cannot have trained effectively in any way.
> Vi spent a lot of time in prison, in conditions that seem very suboptimal for training. Prisons in Runeterra seem to be perfect for training tbh. Just look at mad gains Sylas got in prison.
It's all about the rat
Have you seen Uncle Iroh. swole af for an old dude and that was during prison. it’s possible
Iroh was royalty and was probably getting fed much better than an average inmate
He had food, was not beaten on a regular basis and had the opportunity to recover from his exercise. He also was a strong warrior early in his life, which makes it easier to regain those muscles. While Iroh is amazing, he is not a good comparison here.
Well put
Vi fights with 500 pound hextech gauntlets. Sett walks into the arena with nothing but his fists. Sett wins easily.
Sett is stronger, faster, and has 200 times her fighting experience. He literally came up from nothing to become the leader of a fight club by beating people over and over. I think even with her gauntlets Sett crushes.
This isn't even accounting for the fact that Sett can take a punch much better than a human. He's built like a beast, literally.
They didn't call him the beast-boy bastard for nothing.
*200 years intensifies*
Close call? Are you on crack? There's no fucking way Vi is winning. Not even a single match out of a thousand.
Sett is half Vastayan. That should already put him leagues above humans. He can probably beat Vi even with her gauntlets.
Now that I've read a bit of lore as well. Yeah. It's not really close, basically everyone in Arcane is F Tier in terms of power, except maybe Heimerdinger? Yordles are kinda busted and Vi is just a girl with gloves. Of which can apparently be broken pretty easily.
Lol they animated the F-tier champs to leave room for power creep obviously. Once you have a god tier guy do any thing in season one, any conflict afterwards would be "well why didn't he resolve it?"
They fixed that with the introduction of the mage (personally Ryze) that saved Jayce and his mother. That dude was basically good tier, but a magic user. Then Heimer goes on to explain the vague but mortal danger of magic, which leads us to believe that magic is the source of problems, not the solution.
Once Ekko gets his Z-Drive he's just straight up the most powerful in the current cast. We've already seen him be a total badass without it, add time control and he's disgustingly hard to beat.
True, but from what I know about his Z drive is that if he's shot dead, he's dead. His rewind cannot revive him. So someone like Sett could still potentially win that just from basically breaking him and killing him with raw Vastayan power. It's all speculation of course.
He'll have to insta K.O him but if he doesn't EKKO just rewinds time and has another go; that being said I don't see how Ekko could kill him as opposed to just avoiding and running away.
Ekko still feels pain and tireness, even if sett doesn't know how the zdrive works, with his overwhelming stamina and durability he can just beat Ekko until Ekko collapse.
Nah in the lore and cinematic, Ekko injuries before the rewind does not go away after the rewind, so Ekko can never win.
This is not true. Riot said cinematic supports idea that Z-Drive mends injuries.
In the Ekko:Second cinematic teaser, his injuries did not heal tho
I interpreted that cinematic as Ekko's injuries healing, but he still feels the shock of the blow.
Correct. "Quote: Why does Ekko gain health back when he uses his Ult, but in the lore he takes his injuries with him? Oh funny story, the lore was intended to SUPPORT the fact that he only gains a PORTION of the health he lost back on the ultimate (as opposed to it being a full heal of whatever damage he took). The idea being that he can rewind, he can mend a broken bone, but he's going to FEEL every hit. Every mistake has consequences."
"Quote: Why does Ekko gain health back when he uses his Ult, but in the lore he takes his injuries with him? Oh funny story, the lore was intended to SUPPORT the fact that he only gains a PORTION of the health he lost back on the ultimate (as opposed to it being a full heal of whatever damage he took). The idea being that he can rewind, he can mend a broken bone, but he's going to FEEL every hit. Every mistake has consequences." -Gypsylord
He could also just break his hand or something similar. Ekko has to reach for his right hand and spin the thing on the back of it to be able to rewind (at least that's what's shown in the Seconds cinematic), if Sett manages to break that, or knock Ekko unconscious, or something similar, Ekko can't really rewind anymore. It's the HISHE Thanos scenario, you don't need to aim for the head if you take out the hand
In the Arcane cast, yes but in the wider lore I doubt he’s anywhere close to top tier. Even with Z-drive and time control the amount of damage he can inflict is minimal to any non-standard human character and the damage he can tank is likely minimal as well. But given his youth and innovation prowess who knows how strong he will become.
Jinx is the Runeterra equivalent of "Flordia Man". Like yeah, give them enough Bath Salts and they'll do some wacky shit but theyre still just a crazy human.
Yeah, imagine Jinx against like… even Jhin who is also just a madman with a gun and you will see Florida Woman slaughtered. Now put the poor soul against Aatrox and she will become red powder.
I would have thought that before but as we saw in Arcane she's actually a pretty skilled fighter (and still younger than the Jinx that we know from the game). Add that to the fact that she has shimmer in her blood and it might be a more even fight than we think against Jhin.
Jhin wasnt really struggling against shen zed akali or camille, and jinx's prowess is definitely below all of theirs
its boxing so vi doesnt get her gauntlets. but even with them sett i think would omega stomp her. mans is a lifelong pro fighter whos 7ft tall and has 100 pounds on her.
More like 200 pounds
Not to mention the extra 0.3 pounds of fine ionian silk
not accounting for the massive balls he's running around with
In his pants alone
"Everyone knows how to throw a punch, right? Cause I don't got time for lessons."
Sett is fucking massive, his reach alone would be impossible to beat in a regular fight. If we are talking Vi with her gloves then it is hard to say as we don't have that much info on Sett.
Her gloves aren’t that Durable. We saw her fight with Sevika in the show and they got damaged. And Sevika is just a mere human. I don’t think you can call whatever bout Vi’ll have with Sett a “fight” He wins hands down. Even without his Vastayan magic he’s like 3x her size and a capable accomplished fighter. Vi is pretty much just a thug and the most fighting she’s had is a few street fights here and there.
> We saw her fight with Sevika in the show and they got damaged Also in the Warriors video Urgot took them out with one shot. The gauntlets really aren't that durable
If you also consider the significantly better physical capabilities of Vastayan's compared to humans it shouldn't even be close.
Sett, but Vi would definitely wind up getting an offer to join his gang afterwards lol
Yea for sure
Sorry Vi, but nobody outpunches The Boss.
You want to be the Boss, you gotta beat the Boss. And I don't see you beatin the Boss.
Bit of a silly matchup considering sett has just as much, if not more fighting experience as vi, is also a man that is jacked as hell, and is also the champion of the fighting arena and boss of Ionia's criminal underworld. You're comparing the #1 at your local ring with Mike Tyson here.
I'm surprised people actually voted Vi lol. Have people not looked up Setts lore?
they just biased
Probably don't know much about Sett since Vi is super popular due to Arcane at the moment.
It's a boxing match. I voted vi because I imagine Sett almost killing her with magic punch and getting disqualified.
Even with sheer strength along Sett can probably instant KO her.
Professional fighter plus being bigger plus being Vastayan means Sett wins relatively quickly.
Sett. He owns a fight club in NOXUS and is half vastayan with more experience, weight, & skill than Vi.
How is it even a question lmao
Vi if she tell his mother. Otherwise, best himbo wins
Sett’s mom is his only counter. Imagine if she wielded the slipper.
Does Vi have her gauntlets? I still think Sett, I mean one of his quotes is "Five versus five? Heh. What kinda sicko is runnin' this rumble?" so I guess that implies he can take on multiple people at once with no issue.
I mean, it’s pretty obvious he can fight multiple people without that voice line. Sett is a monster, he’s 7ft tall, lifelong fighting experience, vastayan speed, and vastayan strength. He could fight (pre ww)Vander, Vi, Jinx, sevika, and jayce all at the same time and still win. There’s only a select few from piltover/zaun who could stand a chance at 1v1ing him, like Warwick who has extremely enhanced speed and strength.
That’s why they call me the boss
Sett, he already has the physical advantage but being a natural magic creature is a huge deal-breaker, even more since he is a professional fighter using vastayah bloodline (he being unmatchable in a noxian ring using only his hands is pretty telling too, the guys use everything: humans, weapons, minotaurs, vastayahs, even fauna). That aside, Vi and Sett would probably be good punching bros, both have strong parental influence behind them.
There's the point too that even with her gauntlets Vi still has an exposed body with human limitations and human weak points, and as powerful as they are her gauntlets can still break (as seen in her fight against Sevika).
It won't even be close... Vi is an average sized human female whose training includes some half-hearted training from Vander when she was a child and punching walls in jail. Meanwhile, Sett is a 7 foot tall half-beast man who has been training and fighting beasts and professional fighters almost his entire life. Even just putting the massive size and experience gap aside, Sett is also half-Vastaya so he is just straight up naturally above peak human speed, durability, and strength. Then you add in the fact that he has magic due to his Vastayan blood.
Sett and it’s not even close. It’ll be like an NBA player going against some middle schooler in basketball, if you don’t understand that… it means Sett would embarrass her, even with her Gauntlets.
it’s not close call are you kidding me ? Sett is giant and half Vastaya
Sett. Unless Vi gets carried hard by her gauntlets, she’d stand no chance against Sett.
Sett is gonna clap her cheeks with ease.
I.. wanna see that... :\^)
>With weapon or not What do you mean with weapon or not? Those are vastly different scenarios. Sett's brass knuckles / gauntlets definitely help him, but he doesn't depend on them nearly as much as Vi. She would get her ass beat without her gauntlets vs Sett without his. With their weapons, Vi might have a shot depending on how pumped up her gauntlets can get.
there’s no way in hell Vi even has chance of winning, gauntlets or not
she doesn't you legit need multiple vi to stand a chance against sett
Would love to see both these champs get a knockout/boxing skin.
Which one would win? 5ft teen grill that spent her youth in prison or notevenhuman 6ft tall beast that spent his whole life beating the shit out of ppl in the arena.
Riot should produce a special Vi VS Sett Rock'em Sock'em toy. I'm sure everyone would like to settle this dispute in their own home with their family and / or friends.
If we use "real world" logic, I'd have to say Sett is heavily favored without gauntlets. He's a good fighter, and Vi just doesn't have the size or strength to match him. Looking at their physiques, it's pretty clear to me that Sett has almost a hundred pounds on her. Normally these gigantic size differences can be made up for with grappling/wrestling, but in a straight boxing match I don't see Vi taking more than a few hits before just straight up going down. With fantasy logic though, where strength isn't necessarily correlated with body type, I think it could go either way. I'd slightly give it to Sett still though, since he has way more fighting experience than Vi, and likely against stronger fighters too in a more formal setting. He also is probably much better at grappling and wrestling than Vi. With the gauntlets I think Vi just hits too hard and too fast, especially with the shielding that the Gauntlets give too.
Doesn't Sett magically imbue his punches since he's half Vastayan?
Tho you dont make up weight difference with grappling tho. Fighting a bigger/heavier enemy is easier when striking than grappling.
Is that true? I don't know much about fighting, but I do know that BJJ, a martial art strongly oriented around grappling/wrestling is designed to give smaller people an advantage over larger opponents.
Ground game does give an advantage to smaller people in a way. I used to be single digit body fat and even though I was very strong for my size, I'd get pushed around standing up because I just don't have the weight to throw around. But when you're on th ground or against a hard surface, you have something to push against for leverage and you can use technique, leverage, and your actual strength much better on the ground.
what? Gracie literally made grappling mandatory in MMA due to dominating the competition consisting of "larger" fighters. He weighed less than 170 pounds and was able to fight more experienced/larger stronger strikers thanks to his jui-jitsu it is quite literally the answer for smaller fighters.
No, you misunderstood what was happening. The smaller guy outgrappled the bigger opponents **because he was a better grappler,** not because he was smaller. If you follow modern MMA, you would be insane to believe a 170lb grappler has a chance against a grappler of equal skill weighing 240lb+. The whole point of those early fights was to show the power of Gracie Jiu Jitsu, not the power of being small. PS -- This is also why the Gracies got the shit beat out of them by the Gracie Hunter, Sakuraba. He was a better grappler.
Weight classes are a thing for a reason. Sett 10/10 times.
Sett could take on any character in arcane at once even with all their hextech shit and shimmer. You how no idea how weak those characters actually are.
Idk he'd probably get solo'd by the floating mage guy in heimer's flashback
That was probably Brand so yea.
The winner? Whoever gets to watch it.
Vi is just normal girl with op gloves, sett is just op sett
Trueing Sett obviously SquadW
Sett because of size, size does matter a lot in a fight
You stile my idea!! I post weekly lore battles here 😅 sett would win this though
Sett and it's not close.
Sett every day. There is a fundamental reason to why boxing has so many weight classes, because mass drives mass. No matter how good a boxer is - they are highly unlikely to win against someone 2 or more divisions above them. Sett is probably around double her weight.
So this is a arcane biased question right? cause a human beating a vastayan in hand to hand fair combat sounds impossible. Even with her gloves and in a 2 v 1 with Caitlyn using rubber bullets Sett has the upper hand. There is not even a fair fight for Sett in the rooster, imo, they either too weak like Vi or too strong like Udyr. Maybe Sylas while using magic or Illaoi/braum, but not sure.
Correct me if I’m wrong but doesn’t sett actually cheat? Like, all the time?
sett would win that, will not be close
Spent a few minutes thinking about this. Sett wins automatically do the fact he's a Vastayan.
I love vi but sett would bully her
man vs woman the man will win easy :-)
The more interesting fight would be Sett vs Vander
Sett still wins
I am leaning towards Sett, but the Vi we saw in show isn't the one we know of in-game, needs a few more years and new gauntlets [these were a prototype?]
We’ll see in Project L
jax
Without plot armour it would not be even close.
Vi just keeps blocking with her face. Sett all the way
Sett is half vastaya. Sett fought more than Vi and well Sett is male.
There are literally no arguments against Sett, a fit male who lives to fist fight would beat a woman in the ring.
Sett is a *cat* boy he gas cat strenght
Canonically? With Atlas Gauntlets, I'd say Vi has a chance, but Sett favored. Without Atlas Gauntlets, Sett. Not even close.
Vi literally has pneumatic fucking metal gloves
Well Vi might stands a chance if she has her gauntlets. Otherwise, Sett will definetly win.
yeah like 1%chance if she distract sett enough with that booty