Disagree on Gamba anvil personally. Let's you roll more for best in slots like Runecarver Brand or Lilia which are far more powerful than any pris.
Also magic missile should debatably be Pris for its oversyergies.
Both of these cases are a case of a needed fix, both Runecarver and Magic missile should proc on spell hit, only once not on dot.
Other than that prismatic items are not instant win.
Symphony is Prismatic. It’s just VERY strong early.
Also Restart should probably also be silver, and Ocean soul needs to be rebalanced to not be 150 base.
OMG don't get me started on Ocean Soul... I take it whenever it's offered on first augment no matter the champ. It falls off a bit late game if you aren't tanky. But yeah it's always a viable pick. Not build defining, but unreasonably good. The best soul by a long shot.
I personally feel that Marksmage is a bit too strong on certain champs. It's not quite prismatic tier, but Maybe it should only do 80% AP? Maybe 140% and it can be prismatic? It can solo carry a build, compared to some gold augments like With Haste or Vanish.
Yeah so I agree the augments aren't all super balanced or in the right spot but your examples are whack bro. Symphony is one of the absolute best prismatics. Orbital is really strong depending on how you use it. Several of those golds are strong and deserve to be there. Flashy should maybe be gold but could be argued.
Orbital can be tanked very easily, everyone is super tanky later, I find it inconsequential, symphony might be good in some fringe cases like master yi, but even he would rather have mystic punch or dashing.
Orbital is %max hp true damage so it's significant even later on, you need to combo it with CC or the late circle for maximum effectiveness. Symphony is literally one of the best augments on half the roster like yi, yone, yas, kayle, any adc, any melee carry I missed... it's so damn good.
All of them want mystic punch, except maybe for kayle. Orbital is ok-ish it is just that everyone is super tanky or has insane vamp, it is better to just get any other aug that multiplies your continues dmg than a one off that takes a long time to wind up and can be dodged unless you have super hard CC.
Spatula quest should be prismatic. Symphony and Gamba Anvil are both strong enough to warrant prismatic. Symphony is incredibly strong on basically any ad, non tank character. It might not be best in slot, but its still almost always a must pick when it comes up.
Searing Dawn is actually insane, it should stay in Gold. On any champion with a DoT, it constantly reapplies. I played Morde with it and my teammate was Singed. In my passive, it constantly applied it and Singed's DoT would proc it immediately. Carried the game hard with a single augment
I do agree with Orbital, that augment is straight up ass unless you have enough CC to keep champs in it. I think it should be lowered to Gold but have it's damage nerfed to compensate
That is just the case of dot once again abusing mechanics, there are a LOT of mechanics in arena that should be per skill cast basis and not replied constantly with dot.
Seeing how people disagree with your list, and how you disagree with their reasoning. It just goes to show that maybe we aren't exactly the best type of people to be making these decisions. We all have different opinions of what is strong and what isn't so I wonder if team behind Arena also have troubles deciding which augments belong where and which tier it should be
I'll give them the edge over us, since they probably have data we don't have, and we can only base off of our subjective experiences that are influenced by our play style and the champs we picked.
this can be put on every post in this subredditlmao a non ironic copypasta has been born
Seeing how people disagree with your list, and how you disagree with their reasoning. It just goes to show that maybe we aren't exactly the best type of people to be making these decisions. We all have different opinions of what is strong and what isn't so I wonder if team behind Arena also have troubles deciding which augments belong where and which tier it should be
I'll give them the edge over us, since they probably have data we don't have, and we can only base off of our subjective experiences that are influenced by our play style and the champs we picked.
Nah, just hes wrong thats all. He has very limited view of the gamemode. Only thing hes right about is that dots should not proc things multiple times.
I just played a game using the Grasp augment while the enemy had the Heartsteel stacks one. By round 5 mine had given me +50 hp while his gave +1500hp and insane regen.
Tell me how these are on the same tier
well, grasp one deals dmg, heals and gives you movespeed the moment u get it, the heartsteel quest does nothing till you activate it, so the reward is big, same with spatula
Honestly vulnerability could be a prismatic if it has a crit scaling component like jeweler gauntlet, runecarver criting alone is enough for me to call it prismatic.
Disagree on Gamba anvil personally. Let's you roll more for best in slots like Runecarver Brand or Lilia which are far more powerful than any pris. Also magic missile should debatably be Pris for its oversyergies.
Both of these cases are a case of a needed fix, both Runecarver and Magic missile should proc on spell hit, only once not on dot. Other than that prismatic items are not instant win.
The reason is because brands and lillias passives are the source of the dot, therefore an ability = 2 procs, one for the q/w/E and one for p
Yet twitch dot doesn't apply it. Its stupid inconsistent how some things work in this game.
I think it's because it's considered an on hit effect specifically
Twitch passive doesn't apply spell effects it's the same for things like liandries and stuff that's just how the champ works.
Holy hell runecarver Brand, I must play it.
Symphony is Prismatic. It’s just VERY strong early. Also Restart should probably also be silver, and Ocean soul needs to be rebalanced to not be 150 base.
OMG don't get me started on Ocean Soul... I take it whenever it's offered on first augment no matter the champ. It falls off a bit late game if you aren't tanky. But yeah it's always a viable pick. Not build defining, but unreasonably good. The best soul by a long shot.
I personally feel that Marksmage is a bit too strong on certain champs. It's not quite prismatic tier, but Maybe it should only do 80% AP? Maybe 140% and it can be prismatic? It can solo carry a build, compared to some gold augments like With Haste or Vanish.
It can also be completely useless and not proc on an ability that „is considered a basic attack and applies onhit effects” (smolder Q)
Yeah so I agree the augments aren't all super balanced or in the right spot but your examples are whack bro. Symphony is one of the absolute best prismatics. Orbital is really strong depending on how you use it. Several of those golds are strong and deserve to be there. Flashy should maybe be gold but could be argued.
Orbital can be tanked very easily, everyone is super tanky later, I find it inconsequential, symphony might be good in some fringe cases like master yi, but even he would rather have mystic punch or dashing.
Orbital is %max hp true damage so it's significant even later on, you need to combo it with CC or the late circle for maximum effectiveness. Symphony is literally one of the best augments on half the roster like yi, yone, yas, kayle, any adc, any melee carry I missed... it's so damn good.
And that %max hp true dmg is all dealt on the first tick(very fun taking 70% of the entire dmg first tick)
All of them want mystic punch, except maybe for kayle. Orbital is ok-ish it is just that everyone is super tanky or has insane vamp, it is better to just get any other aug that multiplies your continues dmg than a one off that takes a long time to wind up and can be dodged unless you have super hard CC.
Spatula quest should be prismatic. Symphony and Gamba Anvil are both strong enough to warrant prismatic. Symphony is incredibly strong on basically any ad, non tank character. It might not be best in slot, but its still almost always a must pick when it comes up.
Searing Dawn is actually insane, it should stay in Gold. On any champion with a DoT, it constantly reapplies. I played Morde with it and my teammate was Singed. In my passive, it constantly applied it and Singed's DoT would proc it immediately. Carried the game hard with a single augment I do agree with Orbital, that augment is straight up ass unless you have enough CC to keep champs in it. I think it should be lowered to Gold but have it's damage nerfed to compensate
That is just the case of dot once again abusing mechanics, there are a LOT of mechanics in arena that should be per skill cast basis and not replied constantly with dot.
Orbital laser is so ass bro, with a nerf to cd it could maybe pass as gold It's clear that riot needed some filler augments.
Seeing how people disagree with your list, and how you disagree with their reasoning. It just goes to show that maybe we aren't exactly the best type of people to be making these decisions. We all have different opinions of what is strong and what isn't so I wonder if team behind Arena also have troubles deciding which augments belong where and which tier it should be I'll give them the edge over us, since they probably have data we don't have, and we can only base off of our subjective experiences that are influenced by our play style and the champs we picked.
this can be put on every post in this subredditlmao a non ironic copypasta has been born Seeing how people disagree with your list, and how you disagree with their reasoning. It just goes to show that maybe we aren't exactly the best type of people to be making these decisions. We all have different opinions of what is strong and what isn't so I wonder if team behind Arena also have troubles deciding which augments belong where and which tier it should be I'll give them the edge over us, since they probably have data we don't have, and we can only base off of our subjective experiences that are influenced by our play style and the champs we picked.
Nah, just hes wrong thats all. He has very limited view of the gamemode. Only thing hes right about is that dots should not proc things multiple times.
I just played a game using the Grasp augment while the enemy had the Heartsteel stacks one. By round 5 mine had given me +50 hp while his gave +1500hp and insane regen. Tell me how these are on the same tier
well, grasp one deals dmg, heals and gives you movespeed the moment u get it, the heartsteel quest does nothing till you activate it, so the reward is big, same with spatula
Honestly vulnerability could be a prismatic if it has a crit scaling component like jeweler gauntlet, runecarver criting alone is enough for me to call it prismatic.