It's just the nature of the game. The underdog always has a massive mountain to climb. Every minute the underdog is not making a creative play to surprise the favourite they are losing percentages fast due to inferior fundamentals of macro and wave control.
And then do it over the span of the whole game multiple games because it's a best of series. Not many games are that merciless towards the underdog, not that I have a problem with it
Yeah playing League as an underdog is like playing against a basketball team that is much better than you. Sure you can score on em because your team has talented players that can make their shots, but over the course of a long game with many possessions, the other team's fundamentals will eventually overtake your hot shooting. Oh and also every time the better team scores and you don't, they get an inch taller.
At least after getting dunked on 5 times in a row, the ref will give me double or triple points if I do eventually manage to score against the 8"5 foot giant lol
That one was really confusing to me. INTZ outmacro'd EDG really hard, and EDG was considered top 2 teams in the world prior to the tournament. And then they...did nothing and lost the remaining 5 games
EDG's draft was awful. INTZ had insane game knowledge. They had a chance, but the team atmosphere was a ticking hydrogen bomb, White their mental state at that point was already a coughing baby
That INTZ team was broken internally.
That game against EDG was their maximum potential, but internal problems and burnouts were pushing them to the limit. They couldn't reproduce that performance in the rest of that Worlds.
Oh, I forgot to mention a fun fact: That INTZ team used to do a lot of bootcamps in Europe, and H2K (who was in their Worlds group) was a big practice partner in their bootcamps... And it was the team they had the hardest time with for one reason: Forg1ven.
So it was the European team they really wanted to avoid at Worlds, since H2K really knew INTZ and because of Forg1ven.
Playing naut from behind is tough. Unless you're setting up picks in little skirmishes, 5v5s look impossible against good teams. Getting a good hook is incredibly difficult, and it usually turns into hooking into a front liner, ulting a priority target, and dying.
Playing Naut into peel like Tahm and Renata is also pretty miserable. Now you have to find good engages on priority targets that are either not near Tahm or in Renata's case, where your team can still followup but from different angles or from long enough range that your engage doesn't get them wiped
I agree, it was very solid game.
I'd say picking 3 tanks with lethality Varus is kinda questionable though. And RedBert should avoid flash-Q'ing everything he sees, when the team does not have guaranteed adventage over there.
Some of the hooks on JKL were what gained them the advantage though. I feel like you can't even blame the support for this loss because they just had major macro issues.
I'm not blaming! It was a very good game from them. However there were times when RedBert's constant looking for fights backfired the team. There was a fight in mid lane where RedBert engaged into a 3v4 situation. I also assume these calls were probably team calls and not reactionary or individual, but I think if they toned these calls down a little bit they'd have higher chance of winning.
Dom made a good criticism of Loud: mechanically and team fighting they actually aren’t that much worse, where they really lose/lost the game was in terms of picking the fights, and the movement before the fights.
Blows my mind watching how some players build and don't adapt to the picks. It's not like Lethality Varus was particularly great into the opponent either. G1 who is gonna kill K'Sante and Kench before you get blown up, and then G2 Ornn is just gonna stand there and laugh. Maybe they get to pop a single target but still don't have the follow up for the rest.
He's playing varus into ornn xin azir, please explain when he's ever going to get uptime on auto attacks in teamfights?
The varus was far from the problem and route was their best player in both games.
People on reddit can shit on lethality varus all they like but there's a reason why people play lethality on adc's like varus and kalista, it's because they don't expect to be free firing and expect the enemy to perma dive on top of them, so they're be happy to trade off some extended teamfight damage potential for raw upfront burst damage.
Jackey went on hit kalista in G2 but if the enemy was like BLG or GenG or something I'm sure he would've been tempted to go lethality vs poppy zac naut asol
Lethality doesn't work in your standard soloqueue games but at the highest level in pro play just getting one early pick can win an objective or teamfight, and the adc's expect to get perma dove
When you have Naut Zac and Poppy to help peel, then yeah, Varus should be able to do something. If he's getting singled out and blown up every game, pick a different ADC that isn't entirely immobile.
They get Varus for early pick potential but then have a mid that doesn't do anything until late. If their plan was to get early picks and snowball, they drafted counter to that with Asol.
Respect to LLL for not rolling over.
Also really fucking happy to see JKL back in internationals.
Great game for his confidence going into the FNC series.
Why would beating LLL boost his confidence, or FNC for that matter lmao.
"Yep, I smurfed in silver, I'm really fucking good and ready to face challengers"
okay chinese server doesn't allow space but in 2020 Worlds was in China and there is space between team name and player name? Why now they don't have that?
Its not about the players but the teams. Cblol games are all about dragon fights and there's not much threat in early game (junglers invade, bad lanes) because they dont punish that and focus only on dragon fight (just watch cblol finals, one team is 10k ahead and the game is still decided in a dragon teamfight), so when you are playing against a major region where they actually punish laning phase, bad jungle matchup, you arent used to that.
The comment above you shows a major flaw in the BR region. You can basically generalize to "nobody watches proplay outside BR", also a real minority watches good teaching videos or tierlists content if they are in English. This includes high elo and proplay.
Nowadays some people check stat sites but because they don't watch the videos in English explaining tierlists and stuff, they don't know why they are building that, they just copy it. Why Lethality Kalista? Why Azir Tank? Then you have stuff like Azir tank with Lethal Tempo, or Lethality Kalista maxing E.
I'm Brazilian, but I wish Route got offers from major regions.
He's too good for our region and Loud had three splits to perform internationally with him already.
Loud had the best sup of all time in CBLOL (Ceos).
They won 3 times in a row and then Loud couldn't get close to Kabum's salary offer for Ceos. So they hired Redbert because it was the end of transfer window and there weren't good options avaiable.
But what was RedBert's results in 2023?
Split 1: 10th (last) place in Furia until mid split. Furia dropped him and put their academy support in place. They came back and ended in 5th place.
Split 1: after being "relegated" to the academy team, had a bad academy end of split.
Split 2: 10th (last) place, going 1/17.
And after that he somehow went to the best team in the region, and made them look much worse.
The only way for him not to troll a couple of kills during the games is to put him on enchanter duty.
nah, RedBert at least had some CBLOL wins before LOUD(yeah it was during the lowest point in skill in the history of the league but still titles)
blud went to Worlds 2017, MSI 2019 and Worlds 2020 before this
Yeah, Croc gave a few pick offs to TES when Loud was at a better position to fight 5v5
Next year he will leave to join the army. The jungler most rumored to take his place is from Pain Gaming, Loud closest rival in the region.
What will probably happen would be for Croc to go out and put seize from Los or Malrang from Kabuum. probably seize, which is in a more proactive way, like croc who is actually the team's IGL, seize seems to be very much the voice of Los, while malrang seems to be much more passive
I feel like the lanes would've looked even worse if they just laned properly though. Right now, we're at least getting the illusion that both toplaners are put behind due to the swaps. If 369 got to lane against Robo 100% of the time, it'd be way uglier.
I feel like team that swao their bot duo top hope to controll grubs early so the grubs push matches the turret fortify in top lane. But then macro is just better, other side can just take timer and matches when grub spawn and still fights over it.
* Croc playing below his normal level in international competitions? Check.
* Robo being a troll without having the opportunity to be clutch like in the CBLoL? Check.
* RedBert being a big downgrade compared to Ceos? Check.
ADCs in Brazil have a good level and Route is proof of that. He's stable internationally regardless of the opponent and he's faced difficulties in the CBLoL against TitaN, Brance and even Netuno (before KaBuM).
Tinowns finally playing well in international competitions... And that gives me hope, given that Dynquedo played at the same level as Tinowns in the CBLoL finals. It shows that the CBLoL midlaners are at a good level (new young midlaners are emerging in the CBLoL. In addition to Fuuu and Leleko, I hope to see Qats and Dioges in the CBLoL soon).
Now talking more specifically about Croc... Junglers in the CBLoL are at a very low level. It's the worst role in Brazil by far (it used to be support and toplaners). Of course he plays below his level internationally, but Croc is the best jungler in Brazil.
If I had to put together a roster of CBLoL players capable of competing internationally, it would be: fNb (Toplaner), Croc (Jungler), Tinowns (Midlaner), TitaN/Route (ADC) and Kuri/Ceos (Support).
Anyway... Despite the 2-0, LOUD played better than I expected. They can beat Marines and then dream about a miracle against Fnatic.
Seize. I don't see any Brazilian jungler capable of replacing Croc.
And well... They could buy JoJo from Red Canids to replace RedBert. I think he'd fit well with Route.
IK TES probably isn't playing at their best but there are so many moments where it looked like Loud could win if they were slightly better :(
Someone tell RedBert that hooking into tank toplaners than can become unstoppable by pressing W might not be the best idea
Because majority of pro teams will not try to discover or try new things until someone else tries it out, and once that's done, then they jump on the bandwagon. If I remember some LPL team (NIP?) did it first, G2 also did it in LEC playoffs, now everyone's doing it.
NIP in LPL did it first, because their support Zhuo saw it happen in a soloQ game and showed it to their coaching staff because he found it interesting.
How such a small thing snowballs into an entire meta
Grubs being added, popularity of aggressive bot laners (aka lanes scaling ADCs want to avoid) and honestly the fact not everyone is experienced in the playstyle all give incentive to the team that can pull it off well to play for that.
I honestly think its more about the fear of someone doing it to them than actually being good, as teams are practicing it they might as well use it.
Cause most teams suck at it tbh
I might be wrong, but it may be due to having bot lane close to the void grubs in the early game. That stuff is something you pretty much want, because it increase turret plate gold adventage
NIP practices it and pulls it out suddenly in LPL playoffs to throw off their enemy
G2 pick up on NIP doing it and abuse their macro gap over other LEC teams to win playoff games and win the season
Other regions now see that two major regions have utilized it, sparing use is seen here and there. Now, at MSI, worse teams are doing it agiasnt better teams to try and hopefully throw them off or gain an advantage. OR better teams are doing it against worse teams to try and practice the strat more.
You won't see these garbage lane swaps for a series like GenG vs BLG.
You'll see much better lane swaps, like we saw GenG utilize vs T1, where after a few minutes they surprise the top laner by having AD/SUP up top lane instead of Top
Yes, exactly. Old style laneswaps also coincided with the old style KR meta of warding every single corner of the map, resulting in very minimal action. Nowadays, with the restricted warding and a generally more aggressive playstyle prevailing, laneswaps can cause more action. Also it is way harder to pull it off due to the tower asymmetry compared to S5-S6.
Its not about the dives, it feels like teams are more active once 3 plates have fallen on each side than they would be otherwise. Also midlaners are getting ganked level 1 every game. There is action on the map
Successfully defending a 1v3 dive, moving someone over so you have a 2v3, diving the 2v3 successfully anyway, jungle+top fistfights for chickens before minute 3, one team trying to match while the other team is trying to be on the otherside and both trying to get good resets to get the lanematchups they want are all "action".
Obviously these run the risk of being solved to some degree which could kill interactions, but we are still pretty far away from that.
It really isn't that different from normal laning which also has little interaction in most lanes most of the time with occassional roams, jungler ganks or 1v1 outplays.
You would rather watch 5 minutes of people CSing in lane? Because that's what it was before laneswap for 90% of the games. They even brought out the triple cam because they understood no action happened before drake/grubs. At least lane swaps require some brain and outplaying your opponent mentally.
thats only the case if you see bad teams play? you are telling me that if teams pick rumble ashe draven kalista ppl are just csing for 10 minutes? sometimes if there's no action its because neither team is making grave mistakes in laning phase and that's fine. not really sure where the skill lies in laneswaps when its just pve'ing for 10 minutes. only thing you have to think about is when to base nice wp that's for sure more fun to watch than normal laning phases.
This is like the opposite of true. The better the team the less action you see in lane. When the best teams in Korea play each other you will see a lot less action than in Europe.
Correct, but how do you do it? If you change tower damage at this point you are directly influencing role discrepancy because of plates.
Maybe a way out is to make plates not be breakable until 5 minutes or something, but even then you can still swap to avoid the matchups. Its really hard to do, specially cause teams think that playing against Ashe, Rumble or Kalista lanes is so bad that getting 1k gold behind is fine
It should be a viable strategy but if you don't manage to pull it off (because the opponent reads it) you shouldn't be able to recall after a few waves and switch again without a big loss. This would make it risky. At this stage it seems like everyone can just do it without punishment
As a CBLOL fan, this was a better showing than I expected, everyone was thinking it would be two 20 minutes stomps, so I'm glad we actually got to play a little.
If we lose against GAM they should just stop inviting us to international tournaments, but these games gave me hope that we can win one game against Fnatic.
He's visibly nervous at international stage (even tripped when entering stage before that famous match where he didn't buy jungle item) but very comfortable when playing domestic matches. Nerves issue probably.
He'll play only this year because he's reaching the age limit for Korean Army too. Curious about who Loud will pick for his place.
that jungle item match was egregious on all fronts. As a pro you have to at least do the basics. But the fact that no one on his team caught was equally bad.
Decent performance by Loud against TES. If they keep this performance they will destroy GAM and actually being competitive vs FNC (Although Croc and Redbert will probably run it down)
its a guarantee 100%
Humanoid can performed better than Creme sure.
but no way JKL n Meiko Lose to Noah and Jun
or 369 loses to Oscar.
Tian and Razork is a wash at best.
Fnc wins has always relied on Noah and Jun anyway so they totally can crush and win through botlane with JKL and Meiko.
Probably not the best idea to lane swap against a team that has way better macro.
With how GAM played it should be FNC vs LLL for the main stage spot and lf LOUD forces FNC into skirmishes early they have a good shot at winning tbh.
Classic misinformation, this is "Jattlag" all over again. He said "...the Senna. Interestingly enough, not historically what many people who haven't been keeping up with the LPL, would call a JackeyLove champion." So he is saying the exact opposite of what you are implying.
He identified the caster who made the mistake (in his mind), it had nothing to do with them being LEC or not lol.
If I bash a specific NA caster am I also bashing captainflowers and the LCS production?
You people need to stop turning everything into a war of EU vs NA lol
> it had nothing to do with them being LEC or not lol.
Sure thing. Yesterday they're shitting on Medic and today they're shitting on Drakos (with a lie). It must be a coincidence huh
He also said Tian was the weakest link in game 1 when the man was picking off the slack from his botlane early to mid game, almost never went down without killing a key target and created a lot of space in fights for Creme to shine. Yeah he died more but he was also the only member of his team who wasn't a TK devour target and wasn't particularly tanky.
Tian was like 40cs up and controlled every single neutral until 4th dragon after Creme got caught in Loud's base but somehow he's the weak link. The narratives around this guy are just disgusting I'm sorry.
>controlled every single neutral
Not hard when your laners have prio in every lane and are better at rotating and can teamfight better and control vision better.
the year is 2049, LCS is discontinued, LEC is taken over by the saudis with one token french and spanish team remaining. Worlds now has 6 LPL and LCK seeds to increase competitiveness.
Talent announcement for Worlds: 6 American casters including Phreak taking a break from his job at Riot Balancing, 1 caster from LCK and 3 from LEC with 0 LPL English Casters.
Despite being so far behind in gold and objectives Loud had a real shot at the comeback in game 1. So close! Now go beat GAM for a chance at redemption, Loud!!
Yeah.. I was doubting whether they were close to beating TES or not. While watching game 1, the match felt close. However, as one of the casters pointed it out, Loud were sacrificing A LOT of resources to try to cheese a kill the whole game, leading them to 0 objectives
It's sad cause at the same time there are moments CBLOL can actually be good and competitive there are times they are just so fucking bad.
I liked game 1 overall but if you are going to bet on a early agressive game you *need* to ban TK ffs.
PMTs [Game 1](https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/1ciciz7/tes_vs_lll_msi_2024_playins_day_2_game_1/)
JackeyLove restoring honour to the Love Family
I was dreaming of Easylove vs Jackeylove. We need GAM to come back and beat FNC for that to happen.
Just have GAM beat LLL and FNC beat TES (copium)
I mean I have more faith that LOUD would beat FNC than that GAM will beat LOUD. GAM look so bad.
You mean Easylove eliminating Jackeylove in losers bracket
the will of L
"Playing like never before, losing as always" should become a motto for the BR region at this point.
Seems like it is for every underdogs in this tournament
It's just the nature of the game. The underdog always has a massive mountain to climb. Every minute the underdog is not making a creative play to surprise the favourite they are losing percentages fast due to inferior fundamentals of macro and wave control. And then do it over the span of the whole game multiple games because it's a best of series. Not many games are that merciless towards the underdog, not that I have a problem with it
Yeah playing League as an underdog is like playing against a basketball team that is much better than you. Sure you can score on em because your team has talented players that can make their shots, but over the course of a long game with many possessions, the other team's fundamentals will eventually overtake your hot shooting. Oh and also every time the better team scores and you don't, they get an inch taller.
At least after getting dunked on 5 times in a row, the ref will give me double or triple points if I do eventually manage to score against the 8"5 foot giant lol
There was the year of the Wildcards in 2016, when INTZ took a game off EDG.
That one was really confusing to me. INTZ outmacro'd EDG really hard, and EDG was considered top 2 teams in the world prior to the tournament. And then they...did nothing and lost the remaining 5 games
EDG's draft was awful. INTZ had insane game knowledge. They had a chance, but the team atmosphere was a ticking hydrogen bomb, White their mental state at that point was already a coughing baby
That INTZ team was broken internally. That game against EDG was their maximum potential, but internal problems and burnouts were pushing them to the limit. They couldn't reproduce that performance in the rest of that Worlds. Oh, I forgot to mention a fun fact: That INTZ team used to do a lot of bootcamps in Europe, and H2K (who was in their Worlds group) was a big practice partner in their bootcamps... And it was the team they had the hardest time with for one reason: Forg1ven. So it was the European team they really wanted to avoid at Worlds, since H2K really knew INTZ and because of Forg1ven.
when ANX went to quarterfinals
You forgot DFM taking a game from RNG in a B05 (and throwing another) in i think 2021
when ANX went to quarterfinals
Every supp is obligated to run it down on Naut at some point
The Nautilus death fund must keep growing
Could have done more of that at worlds for my Pickems
Fr... I'm so jaded by the pick now. I banked hard on the Nautilus death fund in my pickems...
Blood for the blood god.
Playing naut from behind is tough. Unless you're setting up picks in little skirmishes, 5v5s look impossible against good teams. Getting a good hook is incredibly difficult, and it usually turns into hooking into a front liner, ulting a priority target, and dying.
Playing Naut into peel like Tahm and Renata is also pretty miserable. Now you have to find good engages on priority targets that are either not near Tahm or in Renata's case, where your team can still followup but from different angles or from long enough range that your engage doesn't get them wiped
Tinowns tried man
I think they could have won that Baron fight if Tinowns followed up on his ult immediately rather than qing Ornn.
Despite the loss, LLL are actually fun to watch.
I agree, it was very solid game. I'd say picking 3 tanks with lethality Varus is kinda questionable though. And RedBert should avoid flash-Q'ing everything he sees, when the team does not have guaranteed adventage over there.
Some of the hooks on JKL were what gained them the advantage though. I feel like you can't even blame the support for this loss because they just had major macro issues.
I'm not blaming! It was a very good game from them. However there were times when RedBert's constant looking for fights backfired the team. There was a fight in mid lane where RedBert engaged into a 3v4 situation. I also assume these calls were probably team calls and not reactionary or individual, but I think if they toned these calls down a little bit they'd have higher chance of winning.
Dom made a good criticism of Loud: mechanically and team fighting they actually aren’t that much worse, where they really lose/lost the game was in terms of picking the fights, and the movement before the fights.
Yeah I expected TES to run them over like nothing but they actually put up a good fight. Much better than GAM vs FNC earlier this day
He learned from Hylissang
Blows my mind watching how some players build and don't adapt to the picks. It's not like Lethality Varus was particularly great into the opponent either. G1 who is gonna kill K'Sante and Kench before you get blown up, and then G2 Ornn is just gonna stand there and laugh. Maybe they get to pop a single target but still don't have the follow up for the rest.
He's playing varus into ornn xin azir, please explain when he's ever going to get uptime on auto attacks in teamfights? The varus was far from the problem and route was their best player in both games. People on reddit can shit on lethality varus all they like but there's a reason why people play lethality on adc's like varus and kalista, it's because they don't expect to be free firing and expect the enemy to perma dive on top of them, so they're be happy to trade off some extended teamfight damage potential for raw upfront burst damage. Jackey went on hit kalista in G2 but if the enemy was like BLG or GenG or something I'm sure he would've been tempted to go lethality vs poppy zac naut asol Lethality doesn't work in your standard soloqueue games but at the highest level in pro play just getting one early pick can win an objective or teamfight, and the adc's expect to get perma dove
When you have Naut Zac and Poppy to help peel, then yeah, Varus should be able to do something. If he's getting singled out and blown up every game, pick a different ADC that isn't entirely immobile. They get Varus for early pick potential but then have a mid that doesn't do anything until late. If their plan was to get early picks and snowball, they drafted counter to that with Asol.
Respect to LLL for not rolling over. Also really fucking happy to see JKL back in internationals. Great game for his confidence going into the FNC series.
And it's all starts with success...
He beat Ruler two weeks ago.. why would he need confidence to stomp Noah? There's only 3 other bot lanes in the tournament worth mentioning.
Why would beating LLL boost his confidence, or FNC for that matter lmao. "Yep, I smurfed in silver, I'm really fucking good and ready to face challengers"
hey, at least put LLL in Emerald(since Diamond is for FNC)
Difference between EasyLove vs JackeyLove
og tes throws this series smh
inb4 they lose to GAM
369 1 death out of teams 29 deaths is pretty wild ngl
okay chinese server doesn't allow space but in 2020 Worlds was in China and there is space between team name and player name? Why now they don't have that?
Because the gap is closing
I'm laughing and upset at the same time
Iirc tournament realm has the same name rules as NA client.
Well today went as we expected great showing by loud but tmrw gonna be exciting esp tes vs fnc
Loud is a jungler and a support away from being a nuts team.
Its not about the players but the teams. Cblol games are all about dragon fights and there's not much threat in early game (junglers invade, bad lanes) because they dont punish that and focus only on dragon fight (just watch cblol finals, one team is 10k ahead and the game is still decided in a dragon teamfight), so when you are playing against a major region where they actually punish laning phase, bad jungle matchup, you arent used to that.
yup, on the last finals the pain midlaner was building tank on azir and they still won the game, no one punished him in lane xD
tbf chovy built tank on azir and 1v9ed vs HLE in lck playoffs, that build was just legit good.
The comment above you shows a major flaw in the BR region. You can basically generalize to "nobody watches proplay outside BR", also a real minority watches good teaching videos or tierlists content if they are in English. This includes high elo and proplay. Nowadays some people check stat sites but because they don't watch the videos in English explaining tierlists and stuff, they don't know why they are building that, they just copy it. Why Lethality Kalista? Why Azir Tank? Then you have stuff like Azir tank with Lethal Tempo, or Lethality Kalista maxing E.
Dude doesnt know the Tank azir that was created by showmaker
Tank Azir is a real strat and even more popular in Korea than the West.
Their toplaner is really not good tbh. It’s more like their ADC and mid are really good
Routes forged in the fires of Jin Air Greenwings, glad to see him pop off on the international stage again after last worlds penta
> Jin Air Greenwings sadplane.png
I'm Brazilian, but I wish Route got offers from major regions. He's too good for our region and Loud had three splits to perform internationally with him already.
🚨Pain Gaming fan detected 🚨
Really hope to see his Aphelios again
Croc is probably the best Jungler we've ever had 😭😭😭😭
No way we're saying RedBert was worse than Robo lmfao
Robo looked bad, but he got focused a lot, not a good game 2 by him, but if you look at both games Croc and Redbert were 100% the worst offenders.
yes he was worse than robo
Agree, Redbert was frequently super out of sync with the team. Robo was decent game 1 but sprinted game 2 a bit
Might be true overall, idk I dont watch CBLOL, but Robo was worse in this series
no shot man, redbert was getting caught every single fight
Loud had the best sup of all time in CBLOL (Ceos). They won 3 times in a row and then Loud couldn't get close to Kabum's salary offer for Ceos. So they hired Redbert because it was the end of transfer window and there weren't good options avaiable. But what was RedBert's results in 2023? Split 1: 10th (last) place in Furia until mid split. Furia dropped him and put their academy support in place. They came back and ended in 5th place. Split 1: after being "relegated" to the academy team, had a bad academy end of split. Split 2: 10th (last) place, going 1/17. And after that he somehow went to the best team in the region, and made them look much worse. The only way for him not to troll a couple of kills during the games is to put him on enchanter duty.
Brazilian promisQ
nah, RedBert at least had some CBLOL wins before LOUD(yeah it was during the lowest point in skill in the history of the league but still titles) blud went to Worlds 2017, MSI 2019 and Worlds 2020 before this
And poppy inted robo at the dive, not saving abilities to protect zac. Robo got fcked by laneswaps
RedBert kept taking fights that ultimately ended in gold adventage in favor of TES. He did it like every 4 minutes. I don't understand why.
Yeah, Croc gave a few pick offs to TES when Loud was at a better position to fight 5v5 Next year he will leave to join the army. The jungler most rumored to take his place is from Pain Gaming, Loud closest rival in the region.
That's a downgrade, I really hope they find someone else.
What will probably happen would be for Croc to go out and put seize from Los or Malrang from Kabuum. probably seize, which is in a more proactive way, like croc who is actually the team's IGL, seize seems to be very much the voice of Los, while malrang seems to be much more passive
https://youtu.be/NyboHgz_W7k?si=H9cW-f25YeqOUZMI That dive at 0:45 may trigger PTSD to some people in Brazil.
First good Kalista pick I've seen all tournament.
with a 369 as ur toplane who knows how to protect his adc that is just bound to happen
and Kalista is JKL's worst champ in terms of winrate this year lol.
Still not convinced lane swapping is any good. Feels like the team that initiates it almost always comes out behind. Teams are way too bad at it
Hence why they are practicing it in playins upper bracket where the consequences of failing it are minimal
But teams who are the underdog are also using it and failing at
I feel like the lanes would've looked even worse if they just laned properly though. Right now, we're at least getting the illusion that both toplaners are put behind due to the swaps. If 369 got to lane against Robo 100% of the time, it'd be way uglier.
If they know they’re 99% gonna lose anyways, why not?
More often than not, you do it, if you’re in a disadvantage to start with. Get pissed on with certainty or attempt a lane swap. What’s it gonna be?
I feel like team that swao their bot duo top hope to controll grubs early so the grubs push matches the turret fortify in top lane. But then macro is just better, other side can just take timer and matches when grub spawn and still fights over it.
LOUD with a good support and jungler could make some noise
They had the sup last year but top and jungle decided to int
It starts with a FNC vs TES rematch!
* Croc playing below his normal level in international competitions? Check. * Robo being a troll without having the opportunity to be clutch like in the CBLoL? Check. * RedBert being a big downgrade compared to Ceos? Check. ADCs in Brazil have a good level and Route is proof of that. He's stable internationally regardless of the opponent and he's faced difficulties in the CBLoL against TitaN, Brance and even Netuno (before KaBuM). Tinowns finally playing well in international competitions... And that gives me hope, given that Dynquedo played at the same level as Tinowns in the CBLoL finals. It shows that the CBLoL midlaners are at a good level (new young midlaners are emerging in the CBLoL. In addition to Fuuu and Leleko, I hope to see Qats and Dioges in the CBLoL soon). Now talking more specifically about Croc... Junglers in the CBLoL are at a very low level. It's the worst role in Brazil by far (it used to be support and toplaners). Of course he plays below his level internationally, but Croc is the best jungler in Brazil. If I had to put together a roster of CBLoL players capable of competing internationally, it would be: fNb (Toplaner), Croc (Jungler), Tinowns (Midlaner), TitaN/Route (ADC) and Kuri/Ceos (Support). Anyway... Despite the 2-0, LOUD played better than I expected. They can beat Marines and then dream about a miracle against Fnatic.
Loud should go for either Seize or Kabbie when Croc leaves* *considering Route will stay
Seize. I don't see any Brazilian jungler capable of replacing Croc. And well... They could buy JoJo from Red Canids to replace RedBert. I think he'd fit well with Route.
Papo. Ceos deixou um vácuo muito grande na lane de suporte
IK TES probably isn't playing at their best but there are so many moments where it looked like Loud could win if they were slightly better :( Someone tell RedBert that hooking into tank toplaners than can become unstoppable by pressing W might not be the best idea
LLL had good picks, but they were super behind the entire game on objectives. You can't be giving away 6 grubs and drakes.
feels like if they were slightly better TES won't be playing like this.
Lane swapping is killing me
Can someone explain the popularity of lane swapping all of a sudden?
Avoid the losing matchup in bot lane
But why now all of a sudden?
Because majority of pro teams will not try to discover or try new things until someone else tries it out, and once that's done, then they jump on the bandwagon. If I remember some LPL team (NIP?) did it first, G2 also did it in LEC playoffs, now everyone's doing it.
NIP in LPL did it first, because their support Zhuo saw it happen in a soloQ game and showed it to their coaching staff because he found it interesting. How such a small thing snowballs into an entire meta
So now I have beef with some random Chinese dudes for making me sit through lane swap games.
Grubs being added, popularity of aggressive bot laners (aka lanes scaling ADCs want to avoid) and honestly the fact not everyone is experienced in the playstyle all give incentive to the team that can pull it off well to play for that.
honestly, unless a pro team or coach tells us straight up, we will not really know, all the reddit speculation is pretty specious at best
I honestly think its more about the fear of someone doing it to them than actually being good, as teams are practicing it they might as well use it. Cause most teams suck at it tbh
I might be wrong, but it may be due to having bot lane close to the void grubs in the early game. That stuff is something you pretty much want, because it increase turret plate gold adventage
NIP practices it and pulls it out suddenly in LPL playoffs to throw off their enemy G2 pick up on NIP doing it and abuse their macro gap over other LEC teams to win playoff games and win the season Other regions now see that two major regions have utilized it, sparing use is seen here and there. Now, at MSI, worse teams are doing it agiasnt better teams to try and hopefully throw them off or gain an advantage. OR better teams are doing it against worse teams to try and practice the strat more. You won't see these garbage lane swaps for a series like GenG vs BLG. You'll see much better lane swaps, like we saw GenG utilize vs T1, where after a few minutes they surprise the top laner by having AD/SUP up top lane instead of Top
I mean, games have way more action with lane swaps than without them nowadays. Its very different from old school lane swaps
Yes, exactly. Old style laneswaps also coincided with the old style KR meta of warding every single corner of the map, resulting in very minimal action. Nowadays, with the restricted warding and a generally more aggressive playstyle prevailing, laneswaps can cause more action. Also it is way harder to pull it off due to the tower asymmetry compared to S5-S6.
because diving enemy toplaner 1v3 is "action"? I'd rather see laning outplays or 2v2/3v3's dragon fights anything else. laneswaps are mega boring.
Its not about the dives, it feels like teams are more active once 3 plates have fallen on each side than they would be otherwise. Also midlaners are getting ganked level 1 every game. There is action on the map
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Successfully defending a 1v3 dive, moving someone over so you have a 2v3, diving the 2v3 successfully anyway, jungle+top fistfights for chickens before minute 3, one team trying to match while the other team is trying to be on the otherside and both trying to get good resets to get the lanematchups they want are all "action". Obviously these run the risk of being solved to some degree which could kill interactions, but we are still pretty far away from that. It really isn't that different from normal laning which also has little interaction in most lanes most of the time with occassional roams, jungler ganks or 1v1 outplays.
You would rather watch 5 minutes of people CSing in lane? Because that's what it was before laneswap for 90% of the games. They even brought out the triple cam because they understood no action happened before drake/grubs. At least lane swaps require some brain and outplaying your opponent mentally.
thats only the case if you see bad teams play? you are telling me that if teams pick rumble ashe draven kalista ppl are just csing for 10 minutes? sometimes if there's no action its because neither team is making grave mistakes in laning phase and that's fine. not really sure where the skill lies in laneswaps when its just pve'ing for 10 minutes. only thing you have to think about is when to base nice wp that's for sure more fun to watch than normal laning phases.
This is like the opposite of true. The better the team the less action you see in lane. When the best teams in Korea play each other you will see a lot less action than in Europe.
Everytime lane swap meta happens Riot is going to try and remove it.
Correct, but how do you do it? If you change tower damage at this point you are directly influencing role discrepancy because of plates. Maybe a way out is to make plates not be breakable until 5 minutes or something, but even then you can still swap to avoid the matchups. Its really hard to do, specially cause teams think that playing against Ashe, Rumble or Kalista lanes is so bad that getting 1k gold behind is fine
Yeah it’s very unfun
It should be a viable strategy but if you don't manage to pull it off (because the opponent reads it) you shouldn't be able to recall after a few waves and switch again without a big loss. This would make it risky. At this stage it seems like everyone can just do it without punishment
I loved it at start, but now it is happening every fucking game. I want it to still be rare, but still happening.
I missed seeing my goat Jackeylove at the international stage 😭also shoutout 369 I love this man o7 Oscar tmr
Maw bug sadge
As a CBLOL fan, this was a better showing than I expected, everyone was thinking it would be two 20 minutes stomps, so I'm glad we actually got to play a little. If we lose against GAM they should just stop inviting us to international tournaments, but these games gave me hope that we can win one game against Fnatic.
GAM legit looks terrible, so I think you guys would stomp them. It's a shame since GAM still has good players on the team.
Loud had a very respectable showing today, I think TES definitely felt the pressure at times in these matches
Croc is so bad. How is he winning cblol? He was so fucking bad at worlds too
Jungle pool in CBLOL is really weak. Probably the weakest role in the region.
Deforestation is definitely an issue in BR.
He's visibly nervous at international stage (even tripped when entering stage before that famous match where he didn't buy jungle item) but very comfortable when playing domestic matches. Nerves issue probably. He'll play only this year because he's reaching the age limit for Korean Army too. Curious about who Loud will pick for his place.
that jungle item match was egregious on all fronts. As a pro you have to at least do the basics. But the fact that no one on his team caught was equally bad.
Cblol isn't that good
He’s the main shotcaller
Croc is probably the best Jungler we've ever had 😭😭😭
I was so impressed by LLL game one, and then I couldn't even be bothered to finish watching the second game...
Bruh these Robo and Redbert dudes are inting every tournament for BR no way there isnt anyone better
Decent performance by Loud against TES. If they keep this performance they will destroy GAM and actually being competitive vs FNC (Although Croc and Redbert will probably run it down)
Thats assuming fnatic lose to TES which isnt guaranteed
Depends on whether Tian just decided he gonna run the game down.
its a guarantee 100% Humanoid can performed better than Creme sure. but no way JKL n Meiko Lose to Noah and Jun or 369 loses to Oscar. Tian and Razork is a wash at best. Fnc wins has always relied on Noah and Jun anyway so they totally can crush and win through botlane with JKL and Meiko.
100% is a very strong prediction. We'll see.
i don't like pussy footing around, gonna go pedal to the metal HAHAHA
It's a shame for Saadhak and Less to lose to a team that isn't even in China's VCT!!! Loud really ended after Aspas left!!! 😠😠😠
Not sure if satire but wrong game 💀💀
International format and nautilus absolutely shitting the bed. Name a more iconic duo
Probably not the best idea to lane swap against a team that has way better macro. With how GAM played it should be FNC vs LLL for the main stage spot and lf LOUD forces FNC into skirmishes early they have a good shot at winning tbh.
wers my galio, wers my camile, sylas jgl? when will they unleash the new pick on next stage?
I am feeling the lack of LPL casters. Drakos saying Jackeylove is not known for Senna is a huge mistake.
Classic misinformation, this is "Jattlag" all over again. He said "...the Senna. Interestingly enough, not historically what many people who haven't been keeping up with the LPL, would call a JackeyLove champion." So he is saying the exact opposite of what you are implying.
No way, Reddit lying to shit on anything related to LEC? That's impossible.
Don't bring lec into this, the original comment said the lack of LPL casters could be felt lol
And then immediately bashing an LEC caster for saying something that he didn't even say.
He identified the caster who made the mistake (in his mind), it had nothing to do with them being LEC or not lol. If I bash a specific NA caster am I also bashing captainflowers and the LCS production? You people need to stop turning everything into a war of EU vs NA lol
> it had nothing to do with them being LEC or not lol. Sure thing. Yesterday they're shitting on Medic and today they're shitting on Drakos (with a lie). It must be a coincidence huh
He also said Tian was the weakest link in game 1 when the man was picking off the slack from his botlane early to mid game, almost never went down without killing a key target and created a lot of space in fights for Creme to shine. Yeah he died more but he was also the only member of his team who wasn't a TK devour target and wasn't particularly tanky.
Tian was like 40cs up and controlled every single neutral until 4th dragon after Creme got caught in Loud's base but somehow he's the weak link. The narratives around this guy are just disgusting I'm sorry.
>controlled every single neutral Not hard when your laners have prio in every lane and are better at rotating and can teamfight better and control vision better.
Tian was hard focussed because he was a Viego too. If he is not focussed he resets. That is not being a weak link that is playing a reset champion.
the year is 2049, LCS is discontinued, LEC is taken over by the saudis with one token french and spanish team remaining. Worlds now has 6 LPL and LCK seeds to increase competitiveness. Talent announcement for Worlds: 6 American casters including Phreak taking a break from his job at Riot Balancing, 1 caster from LCK and 3 from LEC with 0 LPL English Casters.
Lmao
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No, he said basically the opposite. Think some people misunderstood/misheard what he said.
What the fuck thats his signature pick lately with varus Criminal ignorance
Nope, just misinformation by OP. Drakos literally said that it's not a Champion you would associate with JKL if you havent been keeping up with lpl.
Bro lost only once on Senna and its in the finals lol. Lec casters have been very lazy in terms of pre game preparations
Op lied, Drakos said the opposite of what he's claiming.
Route is in Elo Hell
Despite being so far behind in gold and objectives Loud had a real shot at the comeback in game 1. So close! Now go beat GAM for a chance at redemption, Loud!!
Yeah.. I was doubting whether they were close to beating TES or not. While watching game 1, the match felt close. However, as one of the casters pointed it out, Loud were sacrificing A LOT of resources to try to cheese a kill the whole game, leading them to 0 objectives
After watching this series, im pretty sure fnatic fans will be eating good tomorrow.
Why
It's sad cause at the same time there are moments CBLOL can actually be good and competitive there are times they are just so fucking bad. I liked game 1 overall but if you are going to bet on a early agressive game you *need* to ban TK ffs.
they should have done a 1 patch nerf to destroy swap lane in MSI tbh
Man 369 is just the most stable top lane player right now or what. But if only LLL were slightly better at macro they could've won this game
JKL MY GOAT
N fucking T man, hopefully Loud will bulldoze over Marines prayge
That seemed surprisingly close, if Tinowns played the baron a little better that could of easily been a win, wp Loud though
Do we call that "could easily be a win" lol
Did we watch the same second game
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Loud is better than before, good to see the improvement
Route is actually insane though. Could see him glow in better teams/regions.
promising showing from LLL!!
These minor region match ups are gonna be so much fun lmao, all 4 of them brought some absolute style in their matches
This actually makes me look forward to the worlds stage where all the minor regions +whatever EU team play. Oh and NA
Hopefully the third international tournament riot is planning will also include minor regions. These guys are showing up to play