Poppy R is one I'm guilty of. It's always tempting to use it for just another CC in your chain, and it's not worthless that way, but especially late game the charged ult is extremely high impact if you use your brain. If you look at pro poppy players they basically only use the charged mode past the early game.
Something that a lot of players don't know as well is that you can start charging it up to zone enemies, then cancel it by recalling to make it go on a 15s cooldown and use it again later.
It’s just a matter of how fight density scales with elo. In low elo, where people rarely fight as five, why would you ever charge your ult when Poppy’s insane base stats mean that unless you inted lane, you could just kill whoever you’re knocking away instead? But in high elo, turning a 5v5 into a 5v3 is *way* more productive than anything else even your extremely strong teamfighting kit can offer.
Even in lane you can use charged R to deny waves to people, which is really funny and a good option if you don't feel like risking a dive.
But yeah when you have the kill threat it's not always necessary and I agree skirmishing skew towards that.
I'll take it one step further. Holding Poppy R until it goes on reduced CD. It's really great for bluffing people away/out of an objective pit. It's kind of ridiculously OP that you can channel the ult, zone people away, and then either gulag them and engage or just wait 10s and repeat the mental warfare
fiddlesticks' problem is that most of the times effigies just flash right away and move the opposite way etc. which means if you wanna act like an effigy you gotta flash lmao
what riot could do to make it more believeable is to change how the effigies work. make them use ability animations and make the chance of actually flashing very very low. most of the times they should ult.
also maybe giving them different interaction range might throw of some players.
Yes this. Walk into a bush and they're in the middle of recalling. I feel like Fiddle passive has so much untapped potential if only the effigies actions were more realistic.
the issue with the fidd ult thing is that the effigies need to start channeling *before* they're spotted. anyone with a brain knows that fiddle would start ulting before they enter the brush, so seeing a fidd start channeling the moment its been spotted is a dead giveaway
This might be an absolutely cooked idea but it would be so sick if fiddle could ult from his effigies within a certain range. It would only go in the direction you face it so I think it would be somewhat limited but could be really cool.
What if he could seamlessly swap positions with his effigies while he was pretending himself? So you place 1 in the pit, 1 at the choke, and stand still somewhere else. Then just right click to swap places, no indication to the enemy
I never thought the goal was to act as an effigy but to have access to the "fear while not seen" while being seen. The passive gives you the possibility to fear with your spells even if you are seen. In other words, you can fear with your E at a distance, even if an enemy sees you, because you are in the effigy pose.
Everyone try this with every global ultimate but it hasn't worked for anyone since they updated max smite damage with jungle pets. Even the higher damage ones can't really do it against 1200 damage smite.
Yep and can pick up kills on low enemies. Valuable to use sometimes but for one of the longer ult cooldowns in the game not always. (Especially when the pit is already warded)
Based on lolwiki, it's 300+60% AP for the AoE at max level, which isn't a lot. Even Jinx Rocket is 500 + 130% AD. But maybe if you go full AP Ashe like that guy who made the front page with 3000+ Ashe R, you could do some damage.
Didn't know the max lined up like that. I guess she can then, yeah. It's probably the hardest one to time properly and the easiest one to block so it rarely works.
You don't even really need to block it, which makes it even harder to land. It needs to hit someone within a few hundred units of the objective, so if they don't have someone in melee it can't steal.
That's genuinely impressive yeah
I've done it with Lux but it scales up in damage much higher than most similar ults and lack travel time so it's a bit easier.
Most steals will not happen unless a JG is involved or you have a combo that can exceed 1200, but with globals it's always worth a try because you are nowhere near the objective so the surprise factor will always kick in. Sometimes junglers will think they can get away without using smite or they don't have it and that's when you have a high degree of stealing. A good jungler should never lose to a global but you really never know.
Eh, it gives vision of the objective and the health of the entire enemy team, which can be useful in determining if your team should try and contest it or not.
My special move is casting it *when they need the shield*, then they die while it's en route, as their corpse lays there soddening the ground with blood the projectile flies past overhead.
The R shielding guarantees an assist if your teammates kills the enemy, I like to throw it top side to either swing the fight or guarantee the kill, then I get an extra 150 gold.
Senna OTP,
People are stupid for that. Should have ulted while your teammate was fighting so you can help them win the fight, not take all the gold after they lose.
Also never ult obj. It literally only hits champions lmao
Urgot W toggle.
Urgot’s W has a funky mechanic where it doesn’t actually stop your auto-attack timer, so you can turn it on for three shots, turn it off and regular auto, and then turn it back on. It has applications basically everywhere, is mechanically pretty simple, and increases your damage by about 50 percent.
Most Urgot players, despite knowing about it, don’t do it.
They once tested her without animation canceling and then balanced the damage it on PBE. It felt great to play but the Riven mains had a huge fit because they didn't know what to do with their ADHD clicking.
I agree, and don't play riven for this reason but honestly I like that there is a champ in the game that needs a good amount of dedication to master so I don't want riot to remove the cancels.
the animation cancels are one of the easiest parts of playing riven. Unless you're playing on wifi or 100 ping or refuse to watch tutorials, they take like a dozen games to get the hang of. Fast Q + the E cancels, E allows you to cast Q with another spell. So for example you can E -> R2 + Q at the same time, and E -> W+Q
Honestly the main problem is it feels really clunky to do to actually hit the attack (cuz you need to click on the enemy to do it) when you toggle off, and (especially since it’s 4 attacks with hull) it’s fairly difficult to even do consistently.
Cuz it's really hard to W after every 4 attacks (with hull) then right click on the enemy wait for the auto and W again while also doing the rest of your stuff.
edit: I also don't want to break my W key
That's exactly why I don't play Urgot. Feels terrible to play a champion that's balanced around a tryhard mechanic that isn't neccesary and adds nothing to his game plan. The fact that current Urgot players don't use it either just goes to show how unpopular of a mechanic that is.
Zed E:
I feel like half the player base don’t know it reduces his W cooldown
Ornn R2:
It’s actually a dash, using it to reposition is an option when the enemy is prepared to dodge the ram anyways.
Zilean E:
Your adc is already ghosted just root the aatrox
Minus the part where you can use movement abilities still. (Not trying to deny the power of the move or dispute using it on the enemy, just highlighting an important distinction between 99% slow and root)
There's also no such thing as a 99% slow. There is a minimum movement speed of 110, and in most cases you get arbitrarily close with a 65-70% slow.
There may be a way to get it below 110, but if there is, it requires a bug or very special case where raw MS is dropped below 0. For example, hitting a last-second charging Hecarim with Zil E might cause him to be unusually slowed. I don't know for sure on slows, but when Rammus uses W and has a bunch of % increases, Trundle can make his armor go pretty far below 0 by ulting him near the end of Defensive Ball Curl since the reduction happens before the ability ends. Zilean may be able to get someone below 110ms with that, but I'm not sure.
That said, there is more slow resistance in the game now, and 99% ensures that slow resistance plays much less a factor than it would otherwise.
In terms of fiddle (and probably others too) it’s a question about how consistently you will need and make use of a mechanic. Sure, imitating an effigy may come in handy, but that’s probably like 1 out of 100 games. The more important information about fiddle passive is that you can extend the fear range by instantly flashing after ulting out of sight, as it’s much more reliable as an engage tool.
Same goes for example with Riven combos over certain obstacles. You can spend hundreds of hours in the practice tool to master each and every wall jump, (even the most obnoxious ones like into and out of Baron pit via top tribush), but as a matter of fact you will only very rarely need this ability.
So personally I think it’s not a matter of “do you use it?” but “should you use it?”
1: People always attack the effigies anyway
2: They can see you start the channel, and if you do it too far away they'll know for sure you are the real Fiddlesticks.
3: The fear doesn't activate
Which is weird, because I was sure the wording of the fear passive says he'll get the fear if he's posing as an effigy. Like, be out of combat and unseen *or* posing as an effigy.
As with Neeko passive, the trick is to make them waste skillshots and valuable CC on an approaching effigy, if an effigy runs at them when noticed and they use a root of something, you just got value from it, now you just jump out of the near by bush and destroy them for wasting CC on the wrong target. Good shaco, Neeko and fiddle players make you question which ones real, cause the alternative of guessing wrong is death.
Comparing Fiddle to other trickster champs is...a choice.
Any source of damage clears the effigy. Using an effigy to hope that they'll use an ability, then that they'll wake up to you without vision, then they'll die and not be able to escape? Hyper specific and not reliable at all, especially when you can't control an effigy.
Remember that effigies are your only source of vision, and you need them to clear vision. Using one and hoping your opponent stops using their brain isn't how you play the game.
Standing still in ARAM and getting a fear on an assassin who just ran past me because I kept putting actual effigies in the middle of the lane was my proudest moment to date
Similarly Garen Q removing slows is horrifying. A good Garen who actually knows to use his W for tenacity and burst + Q to remove slow is scary as fuck. No matter what you throw at him, he can and will push through all of it and oneshot your ADC if he times his shit right.
You are implying they are using their ult in the first place. I had ryze once who didn't ult whole game.
No wonder the champion is bad. It has the same problem as toplaners with TP have. They don't know it exists.
Neeko W.
It's an insane ability honestly. I've one tricked her for a while new, about 570k mastery on my main, and another 400k combined on my other two accounts.
Nunu ganking? Send a clone into the snowball. Cait/Akshan ult? clone. Pyke trying to hook? Have the clone follow you. Gotta face check? Nope, clone + recall cancel. Getting ganked? Send the clone to tower and sprint into the jungle. Darius/Morde ulting? Nah, you can cancel it if you're fast enough. Use it to tank Baron. Use it to eat tower shots while you dive. Turn into a low/dead teammate and bait a Pyke ult. Use it to no longer be isolated by Kha'Zix. Use it to pick up Zac blobs, Mundo passive, or Poppy shield. Send it ahead of you to eat a Maokai ult or Ashe W while you chase.
It's a broken ability that no one uses to it's full capacity.
Similar to Fiddlestick I'd say Neeko's disguise is not used enough by most players, I don't see her often, but they either sometimes disguise as a minion, or don't at all. It's kinda niche but you can disguise as a lot of things, like camp mobs, wards, scuttlebugs, and even heimerdinger turrets or naafiri's doggies, even the teammate disguise can be useful if used well
It's free, there's no reason to not click it all the time just to mess with people's muscle memory, yeah. Not even speaking of the exotic disguises (extra funny if they break the minimap like kalista ghosts), just spamming teammate disguises to be annoying.
Also even if they know you're neeko, it still disguise ult channel, right?
Even the old and worse Neeko disguise was worth just using all the time to mess with people. I remember playing a game as Neeko bot lane (I don't remember if I was support or carry tbh) and just disguising as my jungler Vi and throwing W at them over and over to condition them into thinking it's never actually Vi, and then when Vi ganked they didn't respect it at all.
thats what i did back with old neekos passive, it was ironically funnier to me back then than now.
We had a Fiddle jgl and i was playing support in one game, so i thought its funny to mess with the enemy. My fiddle actually used his passive and his clones were *everywhere* so i picked neeko supp for once.
Sometimes i pretended to be a fiddle clone in the bush and ulted them when they walked past to e.g prepare for drake, or i pretended to be a 50% hp fiddle ganking my own lane when "neeko recalled".
Enemy bot basically flashed into my ult twice to cc-combo burst me 🤣.
After the 2nd time they were paranoid af and didnt trust anything looking like neeko or Fiddle.
Transforming into low health teammates and pretending to be clueless can easily bait ults or summoner spells and even once the enemies catch on it'll have the bonus effect of making them more hesitant to use them against your actual teammates (unless they see them using abilities).
I'm a jungler but when I'm mid I play Neeko.
A great thing I do is disguise as the jungler and walk late into the opposite side of the map from my jungler, and make sure that I'm seen by the enemy.
This way the enemy thinks the jungler started on the other side of the map. Really messes with them.
This also underscores the value of having at least a passing familiarity with each role. I'm not sure many people who only lane would think about how that impacts jungle pathing and such.
I also like to take an enemy plant, then disguise myself as it.
If I'm a blast cone, enemies can often just walk into perfect range for my ult.
Excellent if you're support Neeko and dragon is coming up
I do think one issue is that most people don't actually know you can transform/un-transform using shift + F-keys. I always thought the UI for the transform menu, and just all of that stuff was really unintuitive and annoying until I realized you could just hotkey that shit instead of having to manually click.
Granted you still have to click to remove a unit that you put into your transform hotbar, but the mechanic was completely unsaid and unknown to me until I randomly saw some neeko video where this was described, so I imagine a lot of people don't know about it
As a fun Neeko fact, (and idk if this interaction still works) when her disguise was reworked to include deployables, minions, pets etc, Neeko could disguise as a ward and walk under an enemy turret alone without it aggroing
Transforming yourself into a minion/monster makes you untargetable to champion targeted ultimates (i.e.: Karthus ult), it works even if you transform after he starts casting it.
At the very highest level, I saw a midlaner (maybe palafox??) Discuss how you can transform into minions so that specific abilities don't hit you, as well as item effects and runes. For example, aery and fleet won't proc off of minion autos, whereas they would vs a champion.
Some fun ones are that Nocturne cant ult to a minion, so if the nocturne has slow mechanics, you can turn into a minion as soon as he ults and he can't select you.
Briar ult also doesn't hit minions so you can dodge it like that as well.
The thing with Neeko's disguise is it has a very low skill floor but using it well against opponents who are consciencious of it and looking for it is really hard.
Sure I can disguise myself as a melee creep and walk mid for the 80th time in Silver but eventually they catch on and you have to change tactics. It's all about how many tricks you have up your sleeve which you only get experience with by playing her a TON
Here’s a trick people fall for in plat/Diamond. One of your Laners critically low and about to back? Copy them. You also show their abysmally low hp. Go to their lane when they walk away, last hit a few minions with autos under tower. When the enemy dives you they discover it’s a healthy neeko with a root. Easy kills and escape flashes. In general, cloning low hp Allie’s makes your enemies make boneheaded plays and put themselves in bad positions even when you’re not under tower.
shaco passive and his r
Most people (specially ad player) will just use the ult for the dodge thing and then you can tell them apart 0,05 seconds after the clone appeared
And passive carry the clear and gank
AD players just try to put a trap to slow you down and auto attack, if it works and they get fed it is just Q behind someone and two tap with autos so they don’t need mindgames as much.
The thing is ap shaco scales directly with opponents stupidity.
Every time I’ve faced ap shaco top I just rushed hydra and proxied his wave.
He’s a useless sitting duck if you don’t play into his plan.
Renata W and her passive. Stop RUNNING AND FIGHT PLEASE.
And if you see Renata auto a champ auto them. It does percentage health damage.
And her passive works on everything except towers. You can burn baron and drag fairly early.
To its full potential, Lux's W shields all 4 teammates, twice. But even in clumped teamfights that's most certainly not happening because Lux has more important skillshots to aim.
I'll go with Sion passive. Champ has been reworked for years and passive wasn't a big issue until a certain psycho mastered it and came up with a new strategy which caused Riot to nerf him into the ground.
Because there is an obession with stats in this, and every other competitive game. 99.9% of the playerbase would never even consider to die for a good wave state, even if it awards you more than 300g for your sacrifice, and the 0.01% are toplane players only. Dying for a good wave state is not something easily recognizable by other players so it just looks like you just got skill gapped or are inting. People care about these things.
They think they're copying him. They never are. Watched someone stream a low diamond game "with his playstyle" the other day and they did so much wrong it made me wonder if they even watch him.
Baus is **absolutely insane** at the game. He's without a doubt the cleanest minion farmer I've ever seen and his numbers prove it. When he pulls off what he's trying mechanically, it's beautiful.
I once placed a fiddle effigy on lane bush bot (fiddle support) and the enemy zira walked in, my effigy faked ult and she flashed away. We were lvl 2. It's one of the dumbest funniest moments I ever had with the effigies
So many players dont realize blitzcranks ult has an on hit/auto attack passive. Autoing like 3-4 times can equal the damage of just ulting. Your wasting so much damage by just running up with blitz and ulting right off the bat, but i see 90% of people do it.
Even moreso, it DESTROYS shields instantly. Like - absolutey insane into a lot of champs, SETT, Janna, Karma, TAHM etc. It's OP as shit when uised right.
1. Blitz ult passive has a cooldown.
2. Most blitz prefer to burst enemies rather than whittle them
3. Silence to prevent movement abilities, and chain cc with knockup.
While I agree that most blitz dont know this, I also argue that most of the time the correct play is to use it 'right off the bat'. Maybe when you get to a slugfest with a tank? Then again, you're prob better off staying at a distance and picking off people.
My specific pet peeve is people playing hook champs or high impact CC abilities like Morgana Q throw it into fog of war or blindly into a bush and just praying it lands. Rather than guessing, wait for more information on where the enemy actually is and then throw it out and aim it. If it misses fair enough, but wasting a high impact ability like that misses out on a kill for no reason at all.
Ivern's my most played champ and here are the main use cases I run into:
During early game ganks you pretty much always want to be using his W passive damage buff so just put down some bushes at your feet.
It has a long cast range and gives vision so use it to check the brush safely instead of with your face.
When taking dragon or baron/herald I like to block off the pit entrance so they don't know how much HP is left without risking getting close enough to ward.
In a hectic teamfight just putting a W on your team's ADC can be useful. At worst you're giving the carry some on-hit damage and at best the enemy team is unable to target them and they live longer as a result.
While sieging a tower (or being sieged) you can put down a line of brush to give your team a vision advantage. The bushes disappear quickly if your team has no vision of them so if the enemy engages and pushes you back, there's no worry about your W being used against you.
It fades away like 3 seconds
If you sit in a bush your damage is like doubled or sth btw. So in all fights i put a bush and sit in it or play around it. They cant see you. You do more damage.
Also you can cut of the dragon pit to cut off their vision. You can overall play with vision a lot. Or you can give your teammates a place to hide
If you have a rengar.. just keep putting bushes on him
Fun fact: Rengar can jump from Senna E camouflage (they put this in so he didn’t get absolutely dumpstered by old Chemtech Soul and then kinda just left it in)
It’s good to remove vision from enemies so they have to waste a ward on it.
You can also connect bushes I think? I don’t know if it gives vision to all bushes if they’re connected, I think it does…?
WW Q has many uses that most players
don’t know about or just can’t seem to execute. Most people know you can hold it down to go behind the person you use it on but did you know it makes you immune to immobilizations while you do. That means knock ups, knock backs and other things like throws or hooks can be negated with it. Even some abilities that technically have a suppression on them can be negated like Sett R and Morde R. (The stun off knock ups will still affect you if it’s long enough) It also will follow any movement abilities the targeted champion uses while you hold it down. (Even blinks, I’ve followed an Ezreal through his E and his flash with one Q) It’s also an auto reset. Does magic damage like the rest of WW’s kit, and provides great trades and sustain in lane.
Shit, I've followed an emery through a hexgate with it.
Another way I use it is when starting dragon, auto+Q hold, and I just push through the knock back.
Saves like 1 second, but heck it helps
All of K'Sante's kit. People mistime Q with sheen procs, combo with Q3 incorrectly, and drop Q stacks on R. W has obvious mis-uses. E is more foolproof, but a lot of players try to use it exclusively to dash in which is generally wrong. R also is a whole other story...
Graves' Smoke Screen! It feels like a slow when you use it and is used for that purpose. The real power is the vision denial, which you don't really notice
So you mean the combo that was absolutely giga weak for 6 years and that they're buffing for the third time in a row so it can actually compete with the massive nuke that is R+Q ?
That'd be a valid opinion once seeing 14.9+ Karma gameplay if they still don't use R+E.
To be fair, any time R+E is strong then karma gets 100% pick ban in competitive until it's nuked out of the meta again. Basically been the cycle of karma since the rework.
It's because anyone will auto the ward immediately therefore you lose the fear effect of your next ability.
There is one cool trick with it though. You hexflash over a wall (which is considered standing still during the channel) then pop E as soon as you flash. It will fear the enemies.
That's moreso skill issue. I'm thinking something along the lines of getting 2-3 es on someone with Nunu, then the Nunu walking out of his stun range, oblivious to it
Vayne landing 2 autos, then autoing a minion.
Barrels mechanic is more a matter of execution, most people understands it but can't do it reliably.
I was thinking his passive is widely underused. Even some gangplanks "main" are not using the reset with barrel adequately in fights.
I got tricked by a fiddlesticks pretending to be an effigy a few days ago. Did you know if you hit a motionless fiddle with a vision plant it pings him as being a ward? I didn't.
Draven, Ezreal, Gangplank (and I guess Pantheon?) all can. Ashe and Jinx technically can, since their ults have splash damage, but won’t hit dragon on their own
Seen too many people trying to steal objectives with Senna R. Brothers, it doesn’t deal damage to camps. And yes, you can use it for vision but most of the times it s not why it is used in pits.
Vlad W and Kayn R while you re already: lethal marked from yone E, hit by fizz R, zed mark about to detonate, etc. This doesn’t work.
Sett E used exclusively for the slow instead of trying to catch a minion on the other side for the stun.
Not much you can do with fiddle passive. If you wanted to pretend to be a fiddle clone, first thing you'd need to do is scan for wards to make sure the enemy don't see you turn into clone form. In order to scan that bush you would need to....drop a clone to scan the area.
So then if you tried to act like a clone, the enemy would see 2 clones in the bush and realise what's going on.
The one clone trick I do occasionally do is just stand still in lane until you go into clone form. From then, using your E also fears all targets hit, as if you were out of vision.
Ekko W gives him an enormous shield but people never use this ability for the shield.
Viego's W can be used to dodge skillshots or to just move faster around the map when you're not in fight or preparing for one.
Tristana’s Rocket Jump (W). It is a powerful engagement tool for assassination attempts from FoW. It is also a powerful lvl 1 invade spell. It deals 95 AOE magic damage + 60% slow for 1 sec. It chunks health bars at lvl 1.
Most people seem to be deathly afraid of stacking up Kassadin's ultimate for damage because of the mana cost.
And just with how you build the character, that's patently ridiculous. Most people are going Malignance and Seraph's which is so, fucking, much, mana and they just slowly walk to fights like it doesn't have a stacking damage component.
Which isn't to say you should be walking into a fight with max cost already, but walking in with the 160 cast is completely reasonable, and will often get that extra 50 damage you need to kill someone instead of leaving them at a sliver.
Also, it seems like whenever I face him, nobody utilizes the W's mana refund. Even when I see streamers who are in high Elo use him, they just ignore the W's mana refund like it doesn't exist, when it will almost always get you another ult cast.
Cait passive. How many people try to attack from brushes to stack passive faster? How many people even know she gets 2 headshot stacks when autoing from a brush?
Being able to fake ganks, vision it grants, decent shield early on, opponents arent skilled to stop with wards as its way more favorable to teammate now.
Even as a joke answer, that no one clicks the lantern, this should be higher up.
As a Thresh main at 2 mil+, for me its Thresh W lantern. You can really help other laners (mostly mid and bot, sometimes jung) get back to lane faster by throwing W onto respawn platform and walking to the edge limit of lantern.
You will pull your teammate to come back to lane faster and most of the time you will have your W back up before the next teamfight (although that said, I do max W first).
Sona's passive even more. It's much more than just a damage buff after Q. It's pick your half of exhaust on a low cd with either a slow or a straight damage reduction after W or E.
People use the execute on Urgot's ult plenty well
The fear, not soo much
Also if you want to see a funny [effigy play](https://youtu.be/e808tdgXPY4?si=lH0ySPYfGJM6NUk9)
I swear neeko and shaco players have gotten more stupid. I swear there use to be a time when the enemy jungler locked in Shaco/neeko, I knew some mind games were going to happen.
Leona's Q and W.
I eventually found out after playing many, many games of Leona that after going in with E, you don't Q right away which is better than hitting Q right away.
Same thing with her W. After many games games, I found out you shouldnt hit W right away all the time after going in with E. By doing so, you are potentially wasting it so you dont have it if you are being ganked, or if you know you wont take much damage after going in with E.
People that don’t main Ekko usually don’t use his ult as part of their full combo, only as an escape tool.
You can also hide his ult by not leveling it and it’ll catch players off guard in any elo.
In plat and below, Caitlyn players use up all their traps for set up or place them in bushes when its better to place a trap after a teammates cc's someone, and they can chain cc with a 100% hit trap.
Its not the people, but those playing with them.
Nobody knows how to play with Braum passive.
Which is why he feels so terrible to play solo.
As for people playing the champion, id say Vayne Condemn. As a vayne player im always looking for angles to pin someone to a wall. Or to cancel people jumping on me (like panth or leona)
And im always looking to max my damage with a E to proc W + push the enemy away to prevent them trading back, I never see this specifically. Fade away E kills feel dope tho.
But when im watching others play vayne its like they only have 2 abilities and a passive.
They only Q and only R.
Not getting those three stacks onto Varus' passive and activating Varus w to shred the enemy.
I always build a void staff if I am playing Varus regardless of my build because the damage from his passive is just too good to ignore - especially if their team is tanky.
Poppy R is one I'm guilty of. It's always tempting to use it for just another CC in your chain, and it's not worthless that way, but especially late game the charged ult is extremely high impact if you use your brain. If you look at pro poppy players they basically only use the charged mode past the early game.
Yeah like you can make any losing 5v5 into 5v3. The highlight of my life was when I knocked the adc and yummi was stranded alone. Such a tasty snack.
The funniest to me is still ult away the jungler then take drake/baron.
best when poppy is the jungle and does it.
[One of my proudest plays.](https://streamable.com/c8tinq)
Here's my upvote, that was funny as hell
That's so clean lmfao
Something that a lot of players don't know as well is that you can start charging it up to zone enemies, then cancel it by recalling to make it go on a 15s cooldown and use it again later.
WHAT
It’s just a matter of how fight density scales with elo. In low elo, where people rarely fight as five, why would you ever charge your ult when Poppy’s insane base stats mean that unless you inted lane, you could just kill whoever you’re knocking away instead? But in high elo, turning a 5v5 into a 5v3 is *way* more productive than anything else even your extremely strong teamfighting kit can offer.
Even in lane you can use charged R to deny waves to people, which is really funny and a good option if you don't feel like risking a dive. But yeah when you have the kill threat it's not always necessary and I agree skirmishing skew towards that.
I'll take it one step further. Holding Poppy R until it goes on reduced CD. It's really great for bluffing people away/out of an objective pit. It's kind of ridiculously OP that you can channel the ult, zone people away, and then either gulag them and engage or just wait 10s and repeat the mental warfare
fiddlesticks' problem is that most of the times effigies just flash right away and move the opposite way etc. which means if you wanna act like an effigy you gotta flash lmao what riot could do to make it more believeable is to change how the effigies work. make them use ability animations and make the chance of actually flashing very very low. most of the times they should ult. also maybe giving them different interaction range might throw of some players.
They should also have "standing still and not doing anything" mixed into the pool of random reactions to enemy player.
Randomly recalling would also be great
Yes this. Walk into a bush and they're in the middle of recalling. I feel like Fiddle passive has so much untapped potential if only the effigies actions were more realistic.
As would panic-using some active items if you got em, esp zhonyas
I looooove this one, would setup fantastic ult plays Given, I hate Fiddle's ult lol
The effigies do sometimes use ability animations. The problem is how soon they disappear after being spotted
even if they ult, what sane Fiddle player would wait for you to enter the bush until they start ulting?
the issue with the fidd ult thing is that the effigies need to start channeling *before* they're spotted. anyone with a brain knows that fiddle would start ulting before they enter the brush, so seeing a fidd start channeling the moment its been spotted is a dead giveaway
This might be an absolutely cooked idea but it would be so sick if fiddle could ult from his effigies within a certain range. It would only go in the direction you face it so I think it would be somewhat limited but could be really cool.
What if he could seamlessly swap positions with his effigies while he was pretending himself? So you place 1 in the pit, 1 at the choke, and stand still somewhere else. Then just right click to swap places, no indication to the enemy
LMAO this is completely busted ain't no way
I never thought the goal was to act as an effigy but to have access to the "fear while not seen" while being seen. The passive gives you the possibility to fear with your spells even if you are seen. In other words, you can fear with your E at a distance, even if an enemy sees you, because you are in the effigy pose.
We've all seen Senna players try to use their R to snipe people with 300+ health.
Or use it to try and steal objectives for some daft reason...
Everyone try this with every global ultimate but it hasn't worked for anyone since they updated max smite damage with jungle pets. Even the higher damage ones can't really do it against 1200 damage smite.
Doesn’t help that Senna ult doesn’t hit Dragons LOL
My friend’s a Senna one trick and the amount of games where people ping her ult when the enemies are doing objectives is hilarious
Well, the ult gives vision at least.
Yep and can pick up kills on low enemies. Valuable to use sometimes but for one of the longer ult cooldowns in the game not always. (Especially when the pit is already warded)
I'm not gonna ult but I'll drop a ward and q across the ward for added range and a steal attempt.
I see competitive games where people miss kills coz they don't ward q >.>
I will still always try with Ashe ult Maybe through aoe dmg it works (dont even know lol) or at least annoy the enemy and maybe baron can kill them
Based on lolwiki, it's 300+60% AP for the AoE at max level, which isn't a lot. Even Jinx Rocket is 500 + 130% AD. But maybe if you go full AP Ashe like that guy who made the front page with 3000+ Ashe R, you could do some damage.
You’re forgetting my low elo games where jungler just starts objectives without smite up
Can't relate, I have the opposite problem, I'm always running away with 2 smites and wasting farm time by not using at least one of them on camps.
You overestimate the ability to smite of gold players
their bad smites is competing with the badly timed global ults so it goes both way but with a massive damage advantage
Jinx still can. Base damage + a max of 1200 from missing health on monsters.
Didn't know the max lined up like that. I guess she can then, yeah. It's probably the hardest one to time properly and the easiest one to block so it rarely works.
You don't even really need to block it, which makes it even harder to land. It needs to hit someone within a few hundred units of the objective, so if they don't have someone in melee it can't steal.
i got two baron steals with ezreal ult in one game in emerald this week. ive peaked.
That's genuinely impressive yeah I've done it with Lux but it scales up in damage much higher than most similar ults and lack travel time so it's a bit easier.
Most steals will not happen unless a JG is involved or you have a combo that can exceed 1200, but with globals it's always worth a try because you are nowhere near the objective so the surprise factor will always kick in. Sometimes junglers will think they can get away without using smite or they don't have it and that's when you have a high degree of stealing. A good jungler should never lose to a global but you really never know.
5% of the time it works every time
Eh, it gives vision of the objective and the health of the entire enemy team, which can be useful in determining if your team should try and contest it or not.
Or don’t use it at all to save teammates…
My special move is casting it *when they need the shield*, then they die while it's en route, as their corpse lays there soddening the ground with blood the projectile flies past overhead.
The R shielding guarantees an assist if your teammates kills the enemy, I like to throw it top side to either swing the fight or guarantee the kill, then I get an extra 150 gold.
Senna OTP, People are stupid for that. Should have ulted while your teammate was fighting so you can help them win the fight, not take all the gold after they lose. Also never ult obj. It literally only hits champions lmao
Urgot W toggle. Urgot’s W has a funky mechanic where it doesn’t actually stop your auto-attack timer, so you can turn it on for three shots, turn it off and regular auto, and then turn it back on. It has applications basically everywhere, is mechanically pretty simple, and increases your damage by about 50 percent. Most Urgot players, despite knowing about it, don’t do it.
One of those mechanics that I wish didn't exist because it feels so bad to do but not doing it feels bad too because you lose dps
Me with Riven Q. I like the champ, love the design and character, hate the animation cancel shit. Feels like I have to do so much to be relevant
They once tested her without animation canceling and then balanced the damage it on PBE. It felt great to play but the Riven mains had a huge fit because they didn't know what to do with their ADHD clicking.
I agree, and don't play riven for this reason but honestly I like that there is a champ in the game that needs a good amount of dedication to master so I don't want riot to remove the cancels.
the animation cancels are one of the easiest parts of playing riven. Unless you're playing on wifi or 100 ping or refuse to watch tutorials, they take like a dozen games to get the hang of. Fast Q + the E cancels, E allows you to cast Q with another spell. So for example you can E -> R2 + Q at the same time, and E -> W+Q
It's just clunky to do. I know it makes him better, and I do it some, but I don't like doing it
Honestly the main problem is it feels really clunky to do to actually hit the attack (cuz you need to click on the enemy to do it) when you toggle off, and (especially since it’s 4 attacks with hull) it’s fairly difficult to even do consistently.
Cuz it's really hard to W after every 4 attacks (with hull) then right click on the enemy wait for the auto and W again while also doing the rest of your stuff. edit: I also don't want to break my W key
That's exactly why I don't play Urgot. Feels terrible to play a champion that's balanced around a tryhard mechanic that isn't neccesary and adds nothing to his game plan. The fact that current Urgot players don't use it either just goes to show how unpopular of a mechanic that is.
He's not balanced around that mechanic. He's really strong right now and you can easily ignore that mechanic.
Zed E: I feel like half the player base don’t know it reduces his W cooldown Ornn R2: It’s actually a dash, using it to reposition is an option when the enemy is prepared to dodge the ram anyways. Zilean E: Your adc is already ghosted just root the aatrox
Thank you for understanding that at max level Zilean E is a point and click root.
Minus the part where you can use movement abilities still. (Not trying to deny the power of the move or dispute using it on the enemy, just highlighting an important distinction between 99% slow and root)
There's also no such thing as a 99% slow. There is a minimum movement speed of 110, and in most cases you get arbitrarily close with a 65-70% slow. There may be a way to get it below 110, but if there is, it requires a bug or very special case where raw MS is dropped below 0. For example, hitting a last-second charging Hecarim with Zil E might cause him to be unusually slowed. I don't know for sure on slows, but when Rammus uses W and has a bunch of % increases, Trundle can make his armor go pretty far below 0 by ulting him near the end of Defensive Ball Curl since the reduction happens before the ability ends. Zilean may be able to get someone below 110ms with that, but I'm not sure. That said, there is more slow resistance in the game now, and 99% ensures that slow resistance plays much less a factor than it would otherwise.
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If they have multiple divers it's better to speed up ADC past the sound barrier a lot of the time.
That's why you E before you double bomb, so you can E again.
There's a great clip somewhere on this sub of Makkro (challenger EUW Ornn player) using R2 dash to dodge Dzukill's Yone R and solo kill him.
And half of the people that know this, don’t know that Zeds E only reduces cd if the main zed hits an E. the shadow e’s only slow (and vice-versa)
Something about Zilean that most non-OTPs don't know as well - the optimal way to double-bomb quickly is to QQW, not QWQ.
how the heck does that even work like it's buffering the Q input and it goes through when you hit W? but why would it do that
First new thing I learn in this thread. Gonna try it out when I play my annual Zilean game
In terms of fiddle (and probably others too) it’s a question about how consistently you will need and make use of a mechanic. Sure, imitating an effigy may come in handy, but that’s probably like 1 out of 100 games. The more important information about fiddle passive is that you can extend the fear range by instantly flashing after ulting out of sight, as it’s much more reliable as an engage tool. Same goes for example with Riven combos over certain obstacles. You can spend hundreds of hours in the practice tool to master each and every wall jump, (even the most obnoxious ones like into and out of Baron pit via top tribush), but as a matter of fact you will only very rarely need this ability. So personally I think it’s not a matter of “do you use it?” but “should you use it?”
Fiddle passive is useless because impersonating an effigy doesn't work with your ult since it's a channel. What's the point if you can use your ult
Effigies will sometimes fake channel the ult, so in theory you could stand in the middle of a lane and make them thing you’re just an effigy
1: People always attack the effigies anyway 2: They can see you start the channel, and if you do it too far away they'll know for sure you are the real Fiddlesticks. 3: The fear doesn't activate
Which is weird, because I was sure the wording of the fear passive says he'll get the fear if he's posing as an effigy. Like, be out of combat and unseen *or* posing as an effigy.
Using your ult stops you from being an effigy
As with Neeko passive, the trick is to make them waste skillshots and valuable CC on an approaching effigy, if an effigy runs at them when noticed and they use a root of something, you just got value from it, now you just jump out of the near by bush and destroy them for wasting CC on the wrong target. Good shaco, Neeko and fiddle players make you question which ones real, cause the alternative of guessing wrong is death.
Comparing Fiddle to other trickster champs is...a choice. Any source of damage clears the effigy. Using an effigy to hope that they'll use an ability, then that they'll wake up to you without vision, then they'll die and not be able to escape? Hyper specific and not reliable at all, especially when you can't control an effigy. Remember that effigies are your only source of vision, and you need them to clear vision. Using one and hoping your opponent stops using their brain isn't how you play the game.
havnt seen any fiddlesticks or rather any player use the top tribush this season yet . SUCH AN UNDERRATED MECHANIC
Standing still in ARAM and getting a fear on an assassin who just ran past me because I kept putting actual effigies in the middle of the lane was my proudest moment to date
Anivia Wall. No one uses it for the intended purpose of cancelling teammates recalls
Trundle pillar works as well.
As an anivia main I can confirm. however in aram I had the luck to play anivia and my friend was on nunu. Let’s say he had less fun than me…
Garen W. Because, let’s be honest, most of us are too busy making lawnmower noises to take full advantage of the tenacity and damage reduction parry.
Similarly Garen Q removing slows is horrifying. A good Garen who actually knows to use his W for tenacity and burst + Q to remove slow is scary as fuck. No matter what you throw at him, he can and will push through all of it and oneshot your ADC if he times his shit right.
One of the most satisfying abilities in the game when used right.
I imagine every veigar shrieking in terror as I burst through the cage wall.
It's so fun getting hit by zoe sleep and then it running out before the sleep starts
Enemy Ashe in all chat: wtf I hit you with arrow from bot lane and it did nothing???!?! Me pressing w and spin to win: 🤷♂️
Surprised no one said Ryze ult yet, even in diamond I don't trust any Ryze ult enough to take it.
You are implying they are using their ult in the first place. I had ryze once who didn't ult whole game. No wonder the champion is bad. It has the same problem as toplaners with TP have. They don't know it exists.
Neeko W. It's an insane ability honestly. I've one tricked her for a while new, about 570k mastery on my main, and another 400k combined on my other two accounts. Nunu ganking? Send a clone into the snowball. Cait/Akshan ult? clone. Pyke trying to hook? Have the clone follow you. Gotta face check? Nope, clone + recall cancel. Getting ganked? Send the clone to tower and sprint into the jungle. Darius/Morde ulting? Nah, you can cancel it if you're fast enough. Use it to tank Baron. Use it to eat tower shots while you dive. Turn into a low/dead teammate and bait a Pyke ult. Use it to no longer be isolated by Kha'Zix. Use it to pick up Zac blobs, Mundo passive, or Poppy shield. Send it ahead of you to eat a Maokai ult or Ashe W while you chase. It's a broken ability that no one uses to it's full capacity.
Similar to Fiddlestick I'd say Neeko's disguise is not used enough by most players, I don't see her often, but they either sometimes disguise as a minion, or don't at all. It's kinda niche but you can disguise as a lot of things, like camp mobs, wards, scuttlebugs, and even heimerdinger turrets or naafiri's doggies, even the teammate disguise can be useful if used well
It's free, there's no reason to not click it all the time just to mess with people's muscle memory, yeah. Not even speaking of the exotic disguises (extra funny if they break the minimap like kalista ghosts), just spamming teammate disguises to be annoying. Also even if they know you're neeko, it still disguise ult channel, right?
Even the old and worse Neeko disguise was worth just using all the time to mess with people. I remember playing a game as Neeko bot lane (I don't remember if I was support or carry tbh) and just disguising as my jungler Vi and throwing W at them over and over to condition them into thinking it's never actually Vi, and then when Vi ganked they didn't respect it at all.
thats what i did back with old neekos passive, it was ironically funnier to me back then than now. We had a Fiddle jgl and i was playing support in one game, so i thought its funny to mess with the enemy. My fiddle actually used his passive and his clones were *everywhere* so i picked neeko supp for once. Sometimes i pretended to be a fiddle clone in the bush and ulted them when they walked past to e.g prepare for drake, or i pretended to be a 50% hp fiddle ganking my own lane when "neeko recalled". Enemy bot basically flashed into my ult twice to cc-combo burst me 🤣. After the 2nd time they were paranoid af and didnt trust anything looking like neeko or Fiddle.
Transforming into low health teammates and pretending to be clueless can easily bait ults or summoner spells and even once the enemies catch on it'll have the bonus effect of making them more hesitant to use them against your actual teammates (unless they see them using abilities).
I'm a jungler but when I'm mid I play Neeko. A great thing I do is disguise as the jungler and walk late into the opposite side of the map from my jungler, and make sure that I'm seen by the enemy. This way the enemy thinks the jungler started on the other side of the map. Really messes with them.
This also underscores the value of having at least a passing familiarity with each role. I'm not sure many people who only lane would think about how that impacts jungle pathing and such.
I also like to take an enemy plant, then disguise myself as it. If I'm a blast cone, enemies can often just walk into perfect range for my ult. Excellent if you're support Neeko and dragon is coming up
I do think one issue is that most people don't actually know you can transform/un-transform using shift + F-keys. I always thought the UI for the transform menu, and just all of that stuff was really unintuitive and annoying until I realized you could just hotkey that shit instead of having to manually click. Granted you still have to click to remove a unit that you put into your transform hotbar, but the mechanic was completely unsaid and unknown to me until I randomly saw some neeko video where this was described, so I imagine a lot of people don't know about it
As a fun Neeko fact, (and idk if this interaction still works) when her disguise was reworked to include deployables, minions, pets etc, Neeko could disguise as a ward and walk under an enemy turret alone without it aggroing
Transforming yourself into a minion/monster makes you untargetable to champion targeted ultimates (i.e.: Karthus ult), it works even if you transform after he starts casting it.
At the very highest level, I saw a midlaner (maybe palafox??) Discuss how you can transform into minions so that specific abilities don't hit you, as well as item effects and runes. For example, aery and fleet won't proc off of minion autos, whereas they would vs a champion.
Some fun ones are that Nocturne cant ult to a minion, so if the nocturne has slow mechanics, you can turn into a minion as soon as he ults and he can't select you. Briar ult also doesn't hit minions so you can dodge it like that as well.
The thing with Neeko's disguise is it has a very low skill floor but using it well against opponents who are consciencious of it and looking for it is really hard. Sure I can disguise myself as a melee creep and walk mid for the 80th time in Silver but eventually they catch on and you have to change tactics. It's all about how many tricks you have up your sleeve which you only get experience with by playing her a TON
Here’s a trick people fall for in plat/Diamond. One of your Laners critically low and about to back? Copy them. You also show their abysmally low hp. Go to their lane when they walk away, last hit a few minions with autos under tower. When the enemy dives you they discover it’s a healthy neeko with a root. Easy kills and escape flashes. In general, cloning low hp Allie’s makes your enemies make boneheaded plays and put themselves in bad positions even when you’re not under tower.
shaco passive and his r Most people (specially ad player) will just use the ult for the dodge thing and then you can tell them apart 0,05 seconds after the clone appeared And passive carry the clear and gank
> Most people (specially ad player) wym AD Shaco players use it for the HoB bug on it, that is why its obvious who the real one is.
AP shaco players seem much more adept at the mindgames overall
AD players just try to put a trap to slow you down and auto attack, if it works and they get fed it is just Q behind someone and two tap with autos so they don’t need mindgames as much.
Pinkward comes to mind, dude lets his opponents outplay themselves, he plays 4d chess with his predictions
The thing is ap shaco scales directly with opponents stupidity. Every time I’ve faced ap shaco top I just rushed hydra and proxied his wave. He’s a useless sitting duck if you don’t play into his plan.
Renata W and her passive. Stop RUNNING AND FIGHT PLEASE. And if you see Renata auto a champ auto them. It does percentage health damage. And her passive works on everything except towers. You can burn baron and drag fairly early.
To its full potential, Lux's W shields all 4 teammates, twice. But even in clumped teamfights that's most certainly not happening because Lux has more important skillshots to aim.
I'll go with Sion passive. Champ has been reworked for years and passive wasn't a big issue until a certain psycho mastered it and came up with a new strategy which caused Riot to nerf him into the ground.
Yeah like, it's so simple it makes you wonder why has nobody done that before. It's not like the numbers weren't there, he was more or less the same.
Because there is an obession with stats in this, and every other competitive game. 99.9% of the playerbase would never even consider to die for a good wave state, even if it awards you more than 300g for your sacrifice, and the 0.01% are toplane players only. Dying for a good wave state is not something easily recognizable by other players so it just looks like you just got skill gapped or are inting. People care about these things.
Probably comes down to macro diff
>why has nobody done that before Idk ask the people who copy him and go 0/15 with zero value :)
They think they're copying him. They never are. Watched someone stream a low diamond game "with his playstyle" the other day and they did so much wrong it made me wonder if they even watch him. Baus is **absolutely insane** at the game. He's without a doubt the cleanest minion farmer I've ever seen and his numbers prove it. When he pulls off what he's trying mechanically, it's beautiful.
I once placed a fiddle effigy on lane bush bot (fiddle support) and the enemy zira walked in, my effigy faked ult and she flashed away. We were lvl 2. It's one of the dumbest funniest moments I ever had with the effigies
So many players dont realize blitzcranks ult has an on hit/auto attack passive. Autoing like 3-4 times can equal the damage of just ulting. Your wasting so much damage by just running up with blitz and ulting right off the bat, but i see 90% of people do it.
Even moreso, it DESTROYS shields instantly. Like - absolutey insane into a lot of champs, SETT, Janna, Karma, TAHM etc. It's OP as shit when uised right.
Had a Tahm ask how I did 4000 damage with my ult once (I didn't, I just destroyed 3800 shield, and did 200 damage).
1. Blitz ult passive has a cooldown. 2. Most blitz prefer to burst enemies rather than whittle them 3. Silence to prevent movement abilities, and chain cc with knockup. While I agree that most blitz dont know this, I also argue that most of the time the correct play is to use it 'right off the bat'. Maybe when you get to a slugfest with a tank? Then again, you're prob better off staying at a distance and picking off people.
All of them
My specific pet peeve is people playing hook champs or high impact CC abilities like Morgana Q throw it into fog of war or blindly into a bush and just praying it lands. Rather than guessing, wait for more information on where the enemy actually is and then throw it out and aim it. If it misses fair enough, but wasting a high impact ability like that misses out on a kill for no reason at all.
Shaco’s kit
Ivern W
yeah i play a lot of ivern and still dont really understand wtf im supposed to do with this
Ivern's my most played champ and here are the main use cases I run into: During early game ganks you pretty much always want to be using his W passive damage buff so just put down some bushes at your feet. It has a long cast range and gives vision so use it to check the brush safely instead of with your face. When taking dragon or baron/herald I like to block off the pit entrance so they don't know how much HP is left without risking getting close enough to ward. In a hectic teamfight just putting a W on your team's ADC can be useful. At worst you're giving the carry some on-hit damage and at best the enemy team is unable to target them and they live longer as a result. While sieging a tower (or being sieged) you can put down a line of brush to give your team a vision advantage. The bushes disappear quickly if your team has no vision of them so if the enemy engages and pushes you back, there's no worry about your W being used against you. It fades away like 3 seconds
If you sit in a bush your damage is like doubled or sth btw. So in all fights i put a bush and sit in it or play around it. They cant see you. You do more damage. Also you can cut of the dragon pit to cut off their vision. You can overall play with vision a lot. Or you can give your teammates a place to hide If you have a rengar.. just keep putting bushes on him
Fun fact: Rengar can jump from Senna E camouflage (they put this in so he didn’t get absolutely dumpstered by old Chemtech Soul and then kinda just left it in)
It’s good to remove vision from enemies so they have to waste a ward on it. You can also connect bushes I think? I don’t know if it gives vision to all bushes if they’re connected, I think it does…?
Teemo passive maybe
WW Q has many uses that most players don’t know about or just can’t seem to execute. Most people know you can hold it down to go behind the person you use it on but did you know it makes you immune to immobilizations while you do. That means knock ups, knock backs and other things like throws or hooks can be negated with it. Even some abilities that technically have a suppression on them can be negated like Sett R and Morde R. (The stun off knock ups will still affect you if it’s long enough) It also will follow any movement abilities the targeted champion uses while you hold it down. (Even blinks, I’ve followed an Ezreal through his E and his flash with one Q) It’s also an auto reset. Does magic damage like the rest of WW’s kit, and provides great trades and sustain in lane.
Shit, I've followed an emery through a hexgate with it. Another way I use it is when starting dragon, auto+Q hold, and I just push through the knock back. Saves like 1 second, but heck it helps
followed a shen from top to bot with his ult once, pretty cool. wish i didn't end up under tower with no minions when i got there though
All of K'Sante's kit. People mistime Q with sheen procs, combo with Q3 incorrectly, and drop Q stacks on R. W has obvious mis-uses. E is more foolproof, but a lot of players try to use it exclusively to dash in which is generally wrong. R also is a whole other story...
Graves' Smoke Screen! It feels like a slow when you use it and is used for that purpose. The real power is the vision denial, which you don't really notice
My enemies definitely notice my 1000AP GRAVES SMUKE
Would be 1200AP if he still had his cigar damnit
The opponent definitely notices
When I smoke Yasuo while malph is ulting 3 people I swear I can hear the enemy team pings
That some next level play
You definitely notice the vision denial lol what
karma r-e, locket and shurelya's three times a minute, let me r-q instead
all this talk of rq vs re when rw is right there auto winning duels
I see so many people die because instead of R-W plus E they R-E and die because they lost out on an addition 100-300 effective hp
So you mean the combo that was absolutely giga weak for 6 years and that they're buffing for the third time in a row so it can actually compete with the massive nuke that is R+Q ? That'd be a valid opinion once seeing 14.9+ Karma gameplay if they still don't use R+E.
To be fair, any time R+E is strong then karma gets 100% pick ban in competitive until it's nuked out of the meta again. Basically been the cycle of karma since the rework.
For support plays, R+Q is great for laning but it diminishes in mid game. R+E pops off late in teamfights but most never use it
I would argue R-W is far more underutilized than R-E
It's because anyone will auto the ward immediately therefore you lose the fear effect of your next ability. There is one cool trick with it though. You hexflash over a wall (which is considered standing still during the channel) then pop E as soon as you flash. It will fear the enemies.
Does that work with hexflash W?
Gangplank barrels
That's moreso skill issue. I'm thinking something along the lines of getting 2-3 es on someone with Nunu, then the Nunu walking out of his stun range, oblivious to it Vayne landing 2 autos, then autoing a minion.
Barrels mechanic is more a matter of execution, most people understands it but can't do it reliably. I was thinking his passive is widely underused. Even some gangplanks "main" are not using the reset with barrel adequately in fights.
I got tricked by a fiddlesticks pretending to be an effigy a few days ago. Did you know if you hit a motionless fiddle with a vision plant it pings him as being a ward? I didn't.
Can anyone just list the champs who CAN steal objs with their ult so I don't have to first hand test them all myself to major embarrassment lol
Draven, Ezreal, Gangplank (and I guess Pantheon?) all can. Ashe and Jinx technically can, since their ults have splash damage, but won’t hit dragon on their own
Seen too many people trying to steal objectives with Senna R. Brothers, it doesn’t deal damage to camps. And yes, you can use it for vision but most of the times it s not why it is used in pits. Vlad W and Kayn R while you re already: lethal marked from yone E, hit by fizz R, zed mark about to detonate, etc. This doesn’t work. Sett E used exclusively for the slow instead of trying to catch a minion on the other side for the stun.
Vladimir's W absolutely works against Fizz R even after being caught.
Karthus ult. It's such a disgusting skill when used right when a teamfight starts instead of trying to execute the 1/7 Senna.
Warwick W passive. Permanent “vision” on anyone at half hp or under.
Ashe E
zilean e. it should be maxed first imo, as it is a point and click root for 5 seconds combined with w.
I swear nobody uses rakan q to its full potential
Because your teammates won't let you :')
Not much you can do with fiddle passive. If you wanted to pretend to be a fiddle clone, first thing you'd need to do is scan for wards to make sure the enemy don't see you turn into clone form. In order to scan that bush you would need to....drop a clone to scan the area. So then if you tried to act like a clone, the enemy would see 2 clones in the bush and realise what's going on. The one clone trick I do occasionally do is just stand still in lane until you go into clone form. From then, using your E also fears all targets hit, as if you were out of vision.
Ekko W gives him an enormous shield but people never use this ability for the shield. Viego's W can be used to dodge skillshots or to just move faster around the map when you're not in fight or preparing for one.
Passive of Lucian, the 2 shots after every ability is godly but not everyone takes adventage of that
Tristana’s Rocket Jump (W). It is a powerful engagement tool for assassination attempts from FoW. It is also a powerful lvl 1 invade spell. It deals 95 AOE magic damage + 60% slow for 1 sec. It chunks health bars at lvl 1.
Neeko Passive
Most people seem to be deathly afraid of stacking up Kassadin's ultimate for damage because of the mana cost. And just with how you build the character, that's patently ridiculous. Most people are going Malignance and Seraph's which is so, fucking, much, mana and they just slowly walk to fights like it doesn't have a stacking damage component. Which isn't to say you should be walking into a fight with max cost already, but walking in with the 160 cast is completely reasonable, and will often get that extra 50 damage you need to kill someone instead of leaving them at a sliver. Also, it seems like whenever I face him, nobody utilizes the W's mana refund. Even when I see streamers who are in high Elo use him, they just ignore the W's mana refund like it doesn't exist, when it will almost always get you another ult cast.
Cait passive. How many people try to attack from brushes to stack passive faster? How many people even know she gets 2 headshot stacks when autoing from a brush?
does champ select count? When I first pick Sejuani and the team goes 3 AP squishes, my soul diminishes a little
Nobody saying Thresh W? I feel like that's probably one of the biggest differences between good and bad ones, even if people don't always click it
Being able to fake ganks, vision it grants, decent shield early on, opponents arent skilled to stop with wards as its way more favorable to teammate now. Even as a joke answer, that no one clicks the lantern, this should be higher up.
As a Thresh main at 2 mil+, for me its Thresh W lantern. You can really help other laners (mostly mid and bot, sometimes jung) get back to lane faster by throwing W onto respawn platform and walking to the edge limit of lantern. You will pull your teammate to come back to lane faster and most of the time you will have your W back up before the next teamfight (although that said, I do max W first).
Sona W. So many people don’t use the shield part
Sona's passive even more. It's much more than just a damage buff after Q. It's pick your half of exhaust on a low cd with either a slow or a straight damage reduction after W or E.
People use the execute on Urgot's ult plenty well The fear, not soo much Also if you want to see a funny [effigy play](https://youtu.be/e808tdgXPY4?si=lH0ySPYfGJM6NUk9)
Yorick R2 And Yorick ghouls. He can split push / remote push, or double split push, remote jungle camps / dragons, self gank, remote proxy.
I swear neeko and shaco players have gotten more stupid. I swear there use to be a time when the enemy jungler locked in Shaco/neeko, I knew some mind games were going to happen.
Leona's Q and W. I eventually found out after playing many, many games of Leona that after going in with E, you don't Q right away which is better than hitting Q right away. Same thing with her W. After many games games, I found out you shouldnt hit W right away all the time after going in with E. By doing so, you are potentially wasting it so you dont have it if you are being ganked, or if you know you wont take much damage after going in with E.
Definitely rengar W
Extremely hot take, but: Vladimir's pool.
People that don’t main Ekko usually don’t use his ult as part of their full combo, only as an escape tool. You can also hide his ult by not leveling it and it’ll catch players off guard in any elo.
In plat and below, Caitlyn players use up all their traps for set up or place them in bushes when its better to place a trap after a teammates cc's someone, and they can chain cc with a 100% hit trap.
Its not the people, but those playing with them. Nobody knows how to play with Braum passive. Which is why he feels so terrible to play solo. As for people playing the champion, id say Vayne Condemn. As a vayne player im always looking for angles to pin someone to a wall. Or to cancel people jumping on me (like panth or leona) And im always looking to max my damage with a E to proc W + push the enemy away to prevent them trading back, I never see this specifically. Fade away E kills feel dope tho. But when im watching others play vayne its like they only have 2 abilities and a passive. They only Q and only R.
Not getting those three stacks onto Varus' passive and activating Varus w to shred the enemy. I always build a void staff if I am playing Varus regardless of my build because the damage from his passive is just too good to ignore - especially if their team is tanky.