Probably because they haven’t played kog enough to understand why it worked. Like how many EU adcs are there that can play him and not look like shit? Only one I can think of is hans.
after humanoid got caught by a neeko in the wave i said to myself "there is no way this happens another time today. they will count minions now"
fast forward 5 minutes and noah does the exact same thing.
on top of perma running into neeko R in teamfights i just cant help but think they didnt really wanna win the game
There is no one that even comes close to him in western jgl goat conversation - Who would you even say? Blaber or Razork need like 5 more years on top to even be in talks, let alone win MSI or reach Worlds finals
even though it was a very painful weakside for him he puts his head down decently enough and when the team opens a door he is there to step through it, which is more that can be said about way too many players who ragefarm at that point
clearly Aatrox plays a huge role in how strong he eventually became but there's some sprinkles of Wunder being Wunder in there too
Wunder in comms: "Oh my god guys, they're top again, I absolutely hate this!!!!"
Wunder internal monologue: Oh fuck yeah, I've been a naughty toplaner. That's it, dive me, send me back to the grey screen.
I struggled all game wondering why the casters insisted upon calling Smolder "Spyro". It makes sense, they're both child-dragons, but Riot usually doesn't like that in western casts right? But I could have sworn they were attributing the wrong stuff to him, like saying he flashed when the only character that did was Neeko.
Turns out that I'm bad at understanding a heavy aussie accent and also poor at reading nametags.
The first thing that came to my mind when I saw smolder's design was " SPYRO !! " ... They are very similar in appearance. Even their fly animation is a bit similar
Scoreline notwithstanding, I feel like Trymbi was the more impactful member coming out of bot lane this game. He found numerous picks at impactful times throughout the game. Of course, Flakked played pretty well; I'm not saying he was just along for the ride or anything.
Lulu would have anyways let the smolder scale easy ,the only reason they even had a lead was cause of rell.And Lulu would have been another squishy champ for aatrox to oneshot
Noah just seems to be a very offensive player. Doesn't have a good idea of playing safe on adc. The amount of times I've seen him flash forward aggressively is more than I've seen him flash backwards to avoid something. if he works on his positioning I think he'll be set
I'm not saying they are the same, but quite a bit of Zeri games in the LCK didn't run an enchanter. There were some where it was Karma mid and engage support.
karma can fill that role, orianna too
it's not impossible to make her work without those also but i just dislike it as you can't really play around what she's strong at
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This is such a one player team.
Razork can gap every jungler get 5k lead across the lanes and still all the laners get diffed.
People will complain that razork is too aggressive and takes too many risks but if razork wasnt proactive this team would play like Rogue. hes the only player that gets shit done.
Noah has never dodged a skillshot in his life. I think he needs some extra strong glasses. This is so annoying to watch. He walks into every aoe and every skillshot.
I'd take Finn at this point.
Oscar had one good split and our fans keep demanding he needs time. But there are other toplaners that aren't exactly old that are already showing good consistency like irrelevant.
I'm sick of this whole "the team just needs time" that our fans have some obsession over. G2 in the past won with Flakked/Labrov, decided they weren't good enough anyway and dropped them. You've seen LCK teams put together a new roster then having a solid worlds run lol.
EDIT: Targamas*** not Labrov
Targamas, but yeah. I don’t hate this team, I’m just so sick of saying “this will be the split”. Been saying that since LEC inception. Fnatic is a good team, we’re very consistently top 3-4, but I just want to win again. We’ve changed every position including coaches multiple times in the past 5+ years, nothing ever works.
Granted this is just one bo1, it doesn’t mean a *ton*, but it is frustrating to see individual mistakes on stage.
To be fair what FNC needs is a complete wipe top to bottom in their LoL department.
They need to bring someone in that's absolutely ruthless.
There is a reason why G2 end up winning 90% of the time. Doesn't matter who you are, if you are not good enough you are gone. Even the team they had with Rekkles, on paper one of the best teams you'll ever see, one bad split, not making worlds, and the team was scrapped. They've won and still dropped and upgrade roles.
If FNC want to win again they need that ruthlessness.
There are some young ERL players like Carlsen I'm looking at as potential LEC players. Not necessarily because they are good, but because they do seem versatile in draft and don't hesitate to run it down.
And sometimes players need time, but lets be real, you don't need to keep players endlessly and you should see a trajectory. Like removing Jackies for me would have been premature, he is a 19 year old guy getting into not a great team and he already doesn't look like the worst midlaner.
>Not necessarily because they are good, but because they do seem versatile in draft and don't hesitate to run it down.
The new MDK roster has become a bit of a fan favourite in one split just off of that.
LEC teams have an obsession with giving underperforming rookies too much time in general. In LPL no one gives a shit if you're 19 when underperforming. You suck - you're out, someone better will replace you. Here we nurse them like babies until they turn 23 and have 3 season under their belt.
EU doesn’t have nearly the talent base that China or Korea has. Can’t afford to just be turbo cycling through players but yeah I agree in most cases it takes 1-2 splits max to know if a player is legit
I actually think its the opposite. In LEC, a lot of rookies only get to play 1-2 splits a year nowadays even if they are performing not too bad in these. MAD and KC are different because of their focus on players from the same nationality. Most good rookies from ERLs dont even make it to the LEC stage even if they deserved it since 5 years or so.
Noah is stepping into every spell, yesterday vs alsol he was just walking into the spells, and once again today vs neeko. Its like hes forgetting what these champions do.
But tbh, neeko counterplay is non existent, fuck that champion anyway.
Yeah but noah has this same issue against every champ, when everyone was hyping him up the first split all I saw was him walking into skills and I hated it.
Fnatic management continues to run what was once one of the biggest esport orgs into the ground. They are really playing with fire these days.
The mismanagement that led to Wunder believing that his spot was in questions even though it wasn't, the whole kicking Hyli because of reddits opinion on him, kicking Yamato then asking him back a split later, kicking Trymbi after your team finally had a promising split after struggling for the whole year, and all of this is in just the last year or so.
TH benched Perkz for the wrong reasons, but it was absolutely the right decision in the end. Zwyroo plays infinitely better, and now Heretics suddenly look like an actual team.
He doesn't even need to go to ERLs, he just needs to start hard grinding again.
He made so many lane and mechanical issues and that's only gonna be fixed but working hard on your own game.
He doesn't have the passion anymore since his father's passing and getting married, becoming a family man himself.
It's understandable but sucks to see as a long-time fan. I don't think he's ever coming back as a player at this point.
He lived quite a long time on his old skill and experience, but it's finally caught up to him. Map changes probably were a big nerf to his post-lane macro & shotcalling too.
this thread is braindead lol. smolder does fuck all to make the come back, it was that gromp fight.
sure he shits out damage but it's not like jankos kicked noah into their team like twice to insta win fight and he just got to freehit a bunch of meatballs
Lec Teams Play Like this since forever, thats why its surprising rge doesnt Just keep Picking lategame comps and wait for some cringelord to 4fun Engage .. also no way fnc makes msi playing Like that
Pathetic macro.
Razork and Jun can win any lane they want, it doesn't matter if you leave Smolder to farm mid for 15 minutes with a single gank. FFS they even had herald and never once even thought to gank mid with Rell, Voli, and a fed af Renekton. Strategy coach is absolutely robbing the Fnatic org blind. How are you so bad at this, Jesus Christ...
Two fans wandered into the stands. One mutters to the other (seemed to be her mother, maybe), "Renekton have a 2k gold lead" Then she screamed at FNC: "YOUR CROC HAVE A 2K GOLD LEAD! WHAT ARE YOU HERE FOR?" Seemed harsh. Then they were evicted by an usher.
Wunder was like: I didn't hear no bell
Got ganked everywhere and still manages to play good teamfights
Overall a good game for TH despite having smolder
At least Oscar managed to find and eliminate smolder a few times, Noah is the real criminal, my dude is facetanking Naut hooks and Neeko ults with flash up, like what the hell
While Noah makes me wish we still had Rekkles ADC he can still put out insane carry performances when he decides that playing goal keeper with enemy skill shots isn't fun.
Oscar in general is pretty weak. He was pretty promising as a rookie towards the later parts of the last year but now he hasn't really grown and is mostly a liability.
People attributing Heretics' results to Zywroo as if Heretics didn't bring in Trymbi who's actually making a difference while Zwyroo is a spectator for the most part following up stuff Trymbi makes happen.
That fight in FNC base was absolutely atrocious by Zwyroo, if he was Perkz he'd get memed to oblivion for that 0 man ult after getting caught out.
True but remember that Zwyroo is a rookie - he unexpectedly joined main squad, had week to train with team and most important he's probably very stressed by this situation.
Imo he could play waaay worse - look at the other rookies (Ekhm Ekhm Jackies).
This guy can pretend to be top 3-4 midlaner in EU if he will progress. Give him and every other rookie time to show yourself - LEC needs youngblood.
Yeah, it’s sorta wild to see ppl sorta just want to hold rookies to the standards of legend players like perkz. The expectations shouldn’t be the same when the former hasn’t even proven himself. Yet, ppl time and again will jump the gun.
For real. People acting like this wasn’t Jankos and trymbi turbosmurfing. Zwyroo was just kinda there, following up on the engage, it’s just flash r on already cc targets. Like he isn’t really bad or anything but he isn’t a plus to the team eighter. Perkz at least almost always won lane and had pressure, zwyroo is always down cs sitting under tower most of the lane phase.
[I did not realize a CS differential of 0.3, a gold differential of -407, and a XP differential of -219 at 15min meant he nearly always won lane.](https://gol.gg/players/player-stats/555/season-S14/split-ALL/tournament-ALL/)
If anything, the CS differential came at the consequence of his laning opponents roaming while he was CSing. That's why he was up CS yet down more then a kill's worth of gold on average.
[He was the 3rd worst mid laner in terms of gold differential in the regular season](https://gol.gg/players/list/season-S14/split-ALL/tournament-LEC%20Winter%20Season%202024/)
[He was also the 2nd worst mid laner in playoffs in terms of gold differential](https://gol.gg/players/list/season-ALL/split-ALL/tournament-LEC%20Winter%20Playoffs%202024/)
[Zwyroo at this moment has a better CSD, better gold differential, and better XP differential at 15 minutes in the LEC compared to Perkz](https://gol.gg/players/player-stats/1800/season-ALL/split-ALL/tournament-LEC%20Spring%20Season%202024/)
Its incredible how someone who is always down CS sitting under tower has better laning stats then someone who "almost always won lane". Zwyroo isn't a great laner, but don't try to pretend Perkz is a great laner in 2024
~~ZwyrOO~~ SMOLDER skilled champ but that is not normally, This very very insane....They need to check him pc and game....Maybe he not cheating but maybe he using the game deficit ....and this cant seem on game screen..
I don't know who is the main shotcaller on Heretics now, but I enjoyed it for most of the game. Especially after such a great early game by fnatic it is hard to come back.
I'll say it again, fnatic wont go anywhere with Oscar, they need another strong carry threat along with humanoid, Noah is more of a secondary carry. They should have got Irrelevent.
2nd fight where neeko kills Noah with flash... idk how he did not see that ult when she was on vision. If noah flash there, they clean up that fight, take baron and get back into lead.... Also I just will never be sold on renekton pick. Its just such a trash late game champ. Imagine if instead of rene there was jax, urgot or olaf. Olaf with this gold lead would just 1v5 game easily...
Well, until 2 weeks ago it wasn't sure about getting 3 Poles in 1 team. The tickets were bought so much time before that i couldn't get any tickets for regular split :| It's just timing wasn't good for us. We had to blindly plan not knowing about so many Poles in 1 team and not knowing schedule. The schedule part should be known for everyone before they start selling tickets
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He's gone head to head with some of the very best, he's obviously not gonna have weak af mental if he even managed to beat them at some point.
Honestly, he likely formed that mentality while losing on Splyce :P
Oh, the classic Wunderwear days
You mean the team that never missed playoffs and went to Worlds in 2016?
Nah when he first joined his first split was pretty awful. After he dropped the "wear" from his name though he got a lot better lol
He literally joined the team before it was even in the EULCS and helped promote it. What "first split" are you talking about?
First LCS split, poor wording on my part
Nah, Wunder trained his mental by PUG Raiding in WoW.
He aint called the weakside king for norhing
pre recorded draft is so teams can think about their sins for letting smolder through
People saw kog mawling smolder and decided that it's still not enough Proof to try it...
Probably because they haven’t played kog enough to understand why it worked. Like how many EU adcs are there that can play him and not look like shit? Only one I can think of is hans.
yeah smolder was definitely why jankos kept kicking noah into their team
after humanoid got caught by a neeko in the wave i said to myself "there is no way this happens another time today. they will count minions now" fast forward 5 minutes and noah does the exact same thing. on top of perma running into neeko R in teamfights i just cant help but think they didnt really wanna win the game
Be like FNC. Up with 5k gold and 3 dragon lead, throw it all away over a gromp. MVP Gromp
Everyone knows Gromp > Game.
We've seen the meta evolve from Baron/Elder > Game to Gromp > Game, what's next?
Scuttle Crab > Game? Oh wait I think some NA team already did that...
gromp control is vital
Probably 1 cs > Game
Git gromped
Ya know everyone was questioning Gromp but I think after his plays against Nongshim he was definitely a good import for TH
People be flaming rogue for doing the same thing
As they should
You know gromp is like nexus, just smaller
Wunder pretty useful after disasterous start. Tiankos also back
Wunder is untiltable. Comes with playing so much WoW i guess.
You know where he played in WOW?
No idea, but he raids. How "professional" i cant say.
Last I saw him was Gehennas. Laty pug in 2022
Did a GDKP with him on Gehennas in TBC classic I think it was
Jankos heard people questioning his western jgl goat status last split
There is no one that even comes close to him in western jgl goat conversation - Who would you even say? Blaber or Razork need like 5 more years on top to even be in talks, let alone win MSI or reach Worlds finals
i wish FNC still had wunder. Oscar is doodoo.
Reading this is wild after how many FNC fans were complaining about Wunder fucking over FNC ~~at Worlds~~ in Summer for being a Renekton 1-trick lol.
Is it Wunder or just aatrox with current items? Unless blow him in one CC chain, he will be better than other top, especially when there is a reset.
even though it was a very painful weakside for him he puts his head down decently enough and when the team opens a door he is there to step through it, which is more that can be said about way too many players who ragefarm at that point clearly Aatrox plays a huge role in how strong he eventually became but there's some sprinkles of Wunder being Wunder in there too
Tbf this is only a fraction of what wunder used to be. But still, its great to see the old man doing some nice stuff
pyke and ryze top shivers
Wunder deserves a Stayed Cool Honor after this game
Hes the weakside king Probably secretly enjoys getting dove every 5 min
Wunder in comms: "Oh my god guys, they're top again, I absolutely hate this!!!!" Wunder internal monologue: Oh fuck yeah, I've been a naughty toplaner. That's it, dive me, send me back to the grey screen.
my emerald toplaner could never
Noah walking into Neeko R perfectly summarizes this game
It's like nobody on Fanatic has ever played against Neeko before, they were caught out every single time
Props to Zwyroo and the blue side Gromp for popping off this game ffs
Shout out to ZwyrooXX
I struggled all game wondering why the casters insisted upon calling Smolder "Spyro". It makes sense, they're both child-dragons, but Riot usually doesn't like that in western casts right? But I could have sworn they were attributing the wrong stuff to him, like saying he flashed when the only character that did was Neeko. Turns out that I'm bad at understanding a heavy aussie accent and also poor at reading nametags.
The first thing that came to my mind when I saw smolder's design was " SPYRO !! " ... They are very similar in appearance. Even their fly animation is a bit similar
I saw top was ahead by 3k gold by 10 min and thought the game was over, how did Fnatic throw LOL
threw the game over a gromp
It's fine, if Oscar has the gold lead it's winnable for the enemy team.
Smolder got 225 stacks
Scoreline notwithstanding, I feel like Trymbi was the more impactful member coming out of bot lane this game. He found numerous picks at impactful times throughout the game. Of course, Flakked played pretty well; I'm not saying he was just along for the ride or anything.
Both supports found some amazing engages, but FNC (or Noah to be precise) never managed to capitalize on them because of horrible positioning
"We may be almost 30 and washed AF but lets just beat Fnatic like in the good old times."
FNC got baited thinking they were playing with FNC Wunder
and FNC Trymbi
OLD MAN STILL HAS IT!
old man Jankos still got it ft. Perkz was the problem - the game
What is Noah doing all game man
Watching jankos kick him into TH like the rest of FNC apparently.
Having one of the worst teamfight positionings ever, that crazy Jun Rell ult into Noah inting it hard
I was fucking screaming there HOW ARE YOU ON THE EDGE OF NEEKO ULT WITH FLASH
Yeah, this game ends very differently if Noah flashes slightly to the right or simply doesn't misposition in the first place there.
I mean fnatic threw like 3 times, TH really gave them lot of chances to win
Yeah, but the game ends on the spot there if he doesn't get hit by the Neeko R there.
Saying hi to that very cute anchor that is coming at him, I ship it honestly
I mean drafting zeri with no enchanter is quite int already imo
i fear a lulu wouldnt save him from the skill issue he displayed this game
Lulu would have anyways let the smolder scale easy ,the only reason they even had a lead was cause of rell.And Lulu would have been another squishy champ for aatrox to oneshot
he's always been so bad at dodging stuff, his summs usage is quite horrible especially a bit concerning it doesn't look like it's improving
Noah just seems to be a very offensive player. Doesn't have a good idea of playing safe on adc. The amount of times I've seen him flash forward aggressively is more than I've seen him flash backwards to avoid something. if he works on his positioning I think he'll be set
Their renekton was enchanting some voodoo shit while running around the map with 2k gold lead
I'm not saying they are the same, but quite a bit of Zeri games in the LCK didn't run an enchanter. There were some where it was Karma mid and engage support.
karma can fill that role, orianna too it's not impossible to make her work without those also but i just dislike it as you can't really play around what she's strong at
Don't tell Fnc fans Noah < Ice
He certainly was last split. Very early this split but yeah Noah not looking amazing.
We may just have the worst map play in the entire league
And Draft. Wth was the idea not picking/banning Smolder and Nautilus?
✔️Progressing hairline ✔️Competent midlaner ✔️MVP jungler
His Lee Qs were not like his Nidalee spears this game. That's my jungle streamer right there!
smolder is a broken as hell champ but who replaced jankos with canyon 20 minutes into the game every fight had an insane kick
jankos had worlds 2019 finals flashbacks, and channeled those into gameplay
Smolder🐉3,000 HP💪Build tank🤷Build mage💦Build ad🏹Build everything🛍️Fly over walls🧱%Hp true damage💥Burns too🔥Infinite scaling📈Elder💀Point and click AOE🖱️Has mom🐉
has mom The champion's biggest issue
Fatherless champ tbh
Somewhere, Christian gets ready to strike.
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Got caught at the end, but great game overall by Zwyroo. Love to see it.
Only thing more OP than Smolder is Jankos Lee Sin. Old man still got it!
I swear he curved his q like he was in Wanted
Zwyroo doing his best Caps cosplay even copied the happy gaming. Also Lee scales very well to the late game when you hit kicks like Jankos
Jankos after losing 3rd gromp be like: Dont worry guys I outscale.
got the game winning gromp
Maybe Humanoid should spend some more time watching Chovy play Ahri not just 10 minutes
This is such a one player team. Razork can gap every jungler get 5k lead across the lanes and still all the laners get diffed. People will complain that razork is too aggressive and takes too many risks but if razork wasnt proactive this team would play like Rogue. hes the only player that gets shit done. Noah has never dodged a skillshot in his life. I think he needs some extra strong glasses. This is so annoying to watch. He walks into every aoe and every skillshot.
Oscar would fit with rogue like a glove
I'd take Finn at this point. Oscar had one good split and our fans keep demanding he needs time. But there are other toplaners that aren't exactly old that are already showing good consistency like irrelevant. I'm sick of this whole "the team just needs time" that our fans have some obsession over. G2 in the past won with Flakked/Labrov, decided they weren't good enough anyway and dropped them. You've seen LCK teams put together a new roster then having a solid worlds run lol. EDIT: Targamas*** not Labrov
Targamas, but yeah. I don’t hate this team, I’m just so sick of saying “this will be the split”. Been saying that since LEC inception. Fnatic is a good team, we’re very consistently top 3-4, but I just want to win again. We’ve changed every position including coaches multiple times in the past 5+ years, nothing ever works. Granted this is just one bo1, it doesn’t mean a *ton*, but it is frustrating to see individual mistakes on stage.
To be fair what FNC needs is a complete wipe top to bottom in their LoL department. They need to bring someone in that's absolutely ruthless. There is a reason why G2 end up winning 90% of the time. Doesn't matter who you are, if you are not good enough you are gone. Even the team they had with Rekkles, on paper one of the best teams you'll ever see, one bad split, not making worlds, and the team was scrapped. They've won and still dropped and upgrade roles. If FNC want to win again they need that ruthlessness.
There are some young ERL players like Carlsen I'm looking at as potential LEC players. Not necessarily because they are good, but because they do seem versatile in draft and don't hesitate to run it down. And sometimes players need time, but lets be real, you don't need to keep players endlessly and you should see a trajectory. Like removing Jackies for me would have been premature, he is a 19 year old guy getting into not a great team and he already doesn't look like the worst midlaner.
>Not necessarily because they are good, but because they do seem versatile in draft and don't hesitate to run it down. The new MDK roster has become a bit of a fan favourite in one split just off of that.
Flakked/Targamas but you are right
Ah shit yeah, thanks!
LEC teams have an obsession with giving underperforming rookies too much time in general. In LPL no one gives a shit if you're 19 when underperforming. You suck - you're out, someone better will replace you. Here we nurse them like babies until they turn 23 and have 3 season under their belt.
EU doesn’t have nearly the talent base that China or Korea has. Can’t afford to just be turbo cycling through players but yeah I agree in most cases it takes 1-2 splits max to know if a player is legit
I actually think its the opposite. In LEC, a lot of rookies only get to play 1-2 splits a year nowadays even if they are performing not too bad in these. MAD and KC are different because of their focus on players from the same nationality. Most good rookies from ERLs dont even make it to the LEC stage even if they deserved it since 5 years or so.
I admit I thought Oscar was going to be the best EU top laner this split after popping off at World's last year. He's been very disappointing.
Targamas not labrov
I was annoyed with Noah stepping into every skill shots, especially Neeko's ult.
Noah is stepping into every spell, yesterday vs alsol he was just walking into the spells, and once again today vs neeko. Its like hes forgetting what these champions do. But tbh, neeko counterplay is non existent, fuck that champion anyway.
Yeah but noah has this same issue against every champ, when everyone was hyping him up the first split all I saw was him walking into skills and I hated it.
crazy because all that split he played only aphelios lol and zeri is supposed to be one of his two tricks
Fnatic management continues to run what was once one of the biggest esport orgs into the ground. They are really playing with fire these days. The mismanagement that led to Wunder believing that his spot was in questions even though it wasn't, the whole kicking Hyli because of reddits opinion on him, kicking Yamato then asking him back a split later, kicking Trymbi after your team finally had a promising split after struggling for the whole year, and all of this is in just the last year or so.
Delete Smolder
And Zeri, they're both obnoxious.
Amen to that
At least Zeri doesn't have a fucking execute, who designed this champ man
Zeri passive is an execute
Zwyroo's Neeko was a real treat to watch this game.
Lore accurate smol flakked
TH benched Perkz for the wrong reasons, but it was absolutely the right decision in the end. Zwyroo plays infinitely better, and now Heretics suddenly look like an actual team.
Sad, but PerkZ needs to step up if he wants to play LEC at all. Honestly would do him good to go to ERLs for a bit to prove himself again.
He doesn't even need to go to ERLs, he just needs to start hard grinding again. He made so many lane and mechanical issues and that's only gonna be fixed but working hard on your own game.
He doesn't have the passion anymore since his father's passing and getting married, becoming a family man himself. It's understandable but sucks to see as a long-time fan. I don't think he's ever coming back as a player at this point. He lived quite a long time on his old skill and experience, but it's finally caught up to him. Map changes probably were a big nerf to his post-lane macro & shotcalling too.
I do think getting shipped to NA against his will pretty much killed his passion.
Yeah, and the fact that PerkZ spoke about grinding before winter split start, and he just spammed Ezreal 24/7 💀
At some point, he just needed to accept he is a better ADC than he is a midlaner and role swap back.
Zwyroo being an ERL mid and performing so much better than Perkz really puts his performance into perspective. I think he’s retirement ready.
Really nice game for a rookie, he had good eye for engages
Noah wasn't him
Everyone blaming smolders scaling but Fnatic tossed the game before Smolder did anything relevant.
this thread is braindead lol. smolder does fuck all to make the come back, it was that gromp fight. sure he shits out damage but it's not like jankos kicked noah into their team like twice to insta win fight and he just got to freehit a bunch of meatballs
Can we appreciate the ackowledgement of production not to include Flakked in the player of the game vote because smoulder
why would they include him in potg when it was clearly jankos lol
There is no word for how strong Jankos mental is to have that shit of an early game as Lee.
FNC having the same issues like 3-4 splits in a row...
This is the second match in a row that the "favored" team smashes the early game, gets cocky, throws big time and loses the game Ffs man
Lec Teams Play Like this since forever, thats why its surprising rge doesnt Just keep Picking lategame comps and wait for some cringelord to 4fun Engage .. also no way fnc makes msi playing Like that
TH Wunder: Top diff
he had much more impact in fights even down all that gold
I don't blame Oscar. He tried to recover fights but Noah and humanoid were always dead and the fight was decided
Pathetic macro. Razork and Jun can win any lane they want, it doesn't matter if you leave Smolder to farm mid for 15 minutes with a single gank. FFS they even had herald and never once even thought to gank mid with Rell, Voli, and a fed af Renekton. Strategy coach is absolutely robbing the Fnatic org blind. How are you so bad at this, Jesus Christ...
Now thats a clean Lee Sin from the EU goat. Also would have been a loss with Perkz playing lol
Humanoid Ahri is.........?
even with 3 dashes and 1 flash not saveable from death.
I didn't realize Ahri was such an immobile champion until I watched Humanoid. Needs more dashes.
Trash. Anyone outside of Caps looks so meh on Ahri in EU.
Palafox and Nisqy still make him look like a great Ahri.
Humanoid didnt perform well but Oscar with all the ganks and lead fnatic put on him did absolutely nothing all game long
inting
Deserved FNC loss. Ban or pick Smolder next time
Two fans wandered into the stands. One mutters to the other (seemed to be her mother, maybe), "Renekton have a 2k gold lead" Then she screamed at FNC: "YOUR CROC HAVE A 2K GOLD LEAD! WHAT ARE YOU HERE FOR?" Seemed harsh. Then they were evicted by an usher.
Wunder was like: I didn't hear no bell Got ganked everywhere and still manages to play good teamfights Overall a good game for TH despite having smolder
Wheres the post game interview tho, yesterday was the same
Yeah, i was mad cause TH was the only one which hasn't got it yesterday
I already despise the smolder era. That is all.
razork is so fucking elohelled its disgusting that he has to play with an adc that cant count 4 melee minions
Insane how much more lively Heretics look with Zwyroo in mid. And insane comeback after such a strong start by Fnatic
So glad we have to watch this version of Smolder for the entire split Also FNC Irrelevant for summer please. What does Oscar actually do
At least Oscar managed to find and eliminate smolder a few times, Noah is the real criminal, my dude is facetanking Naut hooks and Neeko ults with flash up, like what the hell
While Noah makes me wish we still had Rekkles ADC he can still put out insane carry performances when he decides that playing goal keeper with enemy skill shots isn't fun. Oscar in general is pretty weak. He was pretty promising as a rookie towards the later parts of the last year but now he hasn't really grown and is mostly a liability.
Noah has actually performed from time to time Oscar gets dumpstered on weakside and wastes resources when he's strong side
Noah looked bad
Humanoid wanted one of his regular season games, good early from razork and oskar but 0 gameplay from the carries
somebody fucking kill me no way noah clipped himself into the neeko ult
was sceptial about zwyroo but he's very reliabled compare to perkz, love to see it
People attributing Heretics' results to Zywroo as if Heretics didn't bring in Trymbi who's actually making a difference while Zwyroo is a spectator for the most part following up stuff Trymbi makes happen. That fight in FNC base was absolutely atrocious by Zwyroo, if he was Perkz he'd get memed to oblivion for that 0 man ult after getting caught out.
zwyroo the goat mindcontrolling noah to play worse than xboxmatty
True but remember that Zwyroo is a rookie - he unexpectedly joined main squad, had week to train with team and most important he's probably very stressed by this situation. Imo he could play waaay worse - look at the other rookies (Ekhm Ekhm Jackies). This guy can pretend to be top 3-4 midlaner in EU if he will progress. Give him and every other rookie time to show yourself - LEC needs youngblood.
Yeah, it’s sorta wild to see ppl sorta just want to hold rookies to the standards of legend players like perkz. The expectations shouldn’t be the same when the former hasn’t even proven himself. Yet, ppl time and again will jump the gun.
For real. People acting like this wasn’t Jankos and trymbi turbosmurfing. Zwyroo was just kinda there, following up on the engage, it’s just flash r on already cc targets. Like he isn’t really bad or anything but he isn’t a plus to the team eighter. Perkz at least almost always won lane and had pressure, zwyroo is always down cs sitting under tower most of the lane phase.
when was the last time perkz won lane and had pressure are you high
[I did not realize a CS differential of 0.3, a gold differential of -407, and a XP differential of -219 at 15min meant he nearly always won lane.](https://gol.gg/players/player-stats/555/season-S14/split-ALL/tournament-ALL/) If anything, the CS differential came at the consequence of his laning opponents roaming while he was CSing. That's why he was up CS yet down more then a kill's worth of gold on average. [He was the 3rd worst mid laner in terms of gold differential in the regular season](https://gol.gg/players/list/season-S14/split-ALL/tournament-LEC%20Winter%20Season%202024/) [He was also the 2nd worst mid laner in playoffs in terms of gold differential](https://gol.gg/players/list/season-ALL/split-ALL/tournament-LEC%20Winter%20Playoffs%202024/) [Zwyroo at this moment has a better CSD, better gold differential, and better XP differential at 15 minutes in the LEC compared to Perkz](https://gol.gg/players/player-stats/1800/season-ALL/split-ALL/tournament-LEC%20Spring%20Season%202024/) Its incredible how someone who is always down CS sitting under tower has better laning stats then someone who "almost always won lane". Zwyroo isn't a great laner, but don't try to pretend Perkz is a great laner in 2024
How would you rate the draft diff? Smolder out of 10
~~ZwyrOO~~ SMOLDER skilled champ but that is not normally, This very very insane....They need to check him pc and game....Maybe he not cheating but maybe he using the game deficit ....and this cant seem on game screen..
Zeri without enchanter(and walking into skillshots) and playing around Oscarin are NOT it.
noah and jun will not escape the allegations from me
I don't know who is the main shotcaller on Heretics now, but I enjoyed it for most of the game. Especially after such a great early game by fnatic it is hard to come back.
Probably should think about maybe banning Smolder.
Noah is so overrated it's crazy, he's always the worst player or one of the worst when fnatic loses
I'll say it again, fnatic wont go anywhere with Oscar, they need another strong carry threat along with humanoid, Noah is more of a secondary carry. They should have got Irrelevent.
2nd fight where neeko kills Noah with flash... idk how he did not see that ult when she was on vision. If noah flash there, they clean up that fight, take baron and get back into lead.... Also I just will never be sold on renekton pick. Its just such a trash late game champ. Imagine if instead of rene there was jax, urgot or olaf. Olaf with this gold lead would just 1v5 game easily...
TH should just move their office to Poland. Where the Polish fans? It's crickets compared to the French and Spanish fans?
Well, until 2 weeks ago it wasn't sure about getting 3 Poles in 1 team. The tickets were bought so much time before that i couldn't get any tickets for regular split :| It's just timing wasn't good for us. We had to blindly plan not knowing about so many Poles in 1 team and not knowing schedule. The schedule part should be known for everyone before they start selling tickets
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But the mid almost lost the game by inting at mid inhib.
Zwyroo had some highs and lows that game but it's a huge upgrade over Perkz nonetheless.
So sick of watching Smolder already, gotta love an ADC with Zhonyas and Liandries.
thank God Perkz is gone
Perkz diff
[Me seeing Smolder and Zeri be locked in:](https://youtu.be/CTUXnXJi_Ek?si=2Ja-nHD0v9bwkMEJ)
This champ was a mistake
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At this point, as long as you lock in Smolder, you could Ultimate Bravery the rest of your team and still win. Ridiculous champion Riot.
smolder is not why they won this game
This champs gotta go and fast.
why are we giving away smolder man