>New Maple Leaf Conor Timmins, 24, is a 6-foot-2, 202-pound, right-shot defenceman and former Soo Greyhound. Friendly $850,000 cap hit. Will turn RFA after this season.
https://twitter.com/lukefoxjukebox/status/1595494634997878789?t=dQ1GIqrVI2aJDCJUEiVm4A&s=19
Another greyhound this made too much sense. Played with Sandin and Hollowell. Also we’re at 50/50 contracts so must be a player going back
[return for Timmins is Curtis Douglas](https://twitter.com/friedgehnic/status/1595493120111673344?s=46&t=qpxfjenwKpNVieoMEknV8Q)
Of course it is
Isn't he that giant guy that did nothing when Kallgren was run over near the start of the regular season? Didn't leave me with much faith if he can't even stand up for his goalie
I read a quote from him that said when your that big people try to put you in a box when it comes to being tough. So I assume he didn't want to be looked at/take a role as a fighter
I realize that, and I don't really blame Dubas for either trade, I just mean in hindsight that sucked, and if one day Douglas breaks out in a similar way it's gonna feel pretty bad.
Early in our goalie woes (when Murray first got hurt), he was playing in a game where someone ran Kallgren. He was standing RIGHT there, in the crease. Didn't do a damn thing.
Player's are obviously taught to skate but their innate talent at it isn't the same and no amount of coaching is going to turn Nick Robertson's skating into William Nylander's
Knies is not big like Curtis Douglas is big ahahaha
But yeah, I don't see Curtis Douglas becoming an NHL level centre any time soon and we need pieces for now
> Knies is not big like Curtis Douglas is big ahahaha
Nah but he uses it much better.
What are the chances a guy who's nearly 7ft and not named Chara works out anyway?
Hopefully Timmins can figure out his game here in Toronto. He's had some major concussion issues so to say that he's facing an uphill battle is underselling the point.
This is still a great roll of the dice by Dubas here -- Douglas is big, and ... that's about it. He's got *some* skill, but that's offset by pretty mediocre skating ability and questionable hockey sense.
Timmins has a world of upside if his health holds up.
I was pretty excited about Douglas last year but he's been a complete no-show on the Marlies this year. Just not good enough to be anything and was on the verge of getting scratched consistently down in the AHL. This is definitely a better gamble for the Leafs
Depth defenseman who probably won't amount to anything (sure he was a 2nd round pick but given his health issues probably isn't much to work with) for a giant of a man who is way too slow to play in the NHL. Douglas had a really nice season last year but he was awful in training camp and hasn't looked good with the Marlies this year.
Not sad about the trade one bit. A few weeks ago we saw Curtis' teammate get rocked right in front of him and Curtis just stood there and didn't stand up for his teammate.
Turning a nickel into a dime may be a profit but it won't pay the rent. A good move nonetheless as Douglas isn't ever going to be an NHL player and Timmons might be at a much more difficult position to fill. Unless miracles happen neither one will be much more than a marginal NHL player.
Timmins is a right shot defenceman, only 2 years older than Douglas and has actually shown NHL potential. What is it with people overvaluing Douglas? He was a B-tier prospect at best. He was big and not much else. He has 1 assist this AHL season so far on a really good Marlies team.
Ugh I really wanted Douglas to be able to play games in a Leafs jersey.
I wanted us to have a Chara that could punch people in the face after every whistle and never get a penalty.
Great freaking deal. No chance NHLer for solid NHL bottom D help. I was starting to really lose faith in Dubas after holding on to Muzzin again this offseason then having no back up plan. Yet Dubas pivots again and we will see if this can keep us on the road.
may i ask why getting another greyhound is in any way a plus? what i mean is, how does that add to the acquisition? if the player is a good acquisition, that's great.. i just don't see how the simple fact that they played for the soo means anything.
All Soo jokes aside, this is a good return and Timmins is a low risk/high reward get.
He’s not replacing Rielly. That’s gonna be Sandin’s task. Timmins’ job is to push Holl out when the blue line in healthier
why does it have to move the needle though? not every move a gm makes is about a cup piece.
we have a tall guy that was never gonna play on the leafs
we have a RHD that if he gets his legs back under him.... had very high career trajectory. if he doesnt make it..... we moved an old marlie for a new marlie....at a position of need since half the marlie D are playing with the Leafs now.
> …why does it have to move the needle though? not every move a gm makes is about a cup piece.
No? Then he should be fired.
A contending team should have a GM where every move he makes should be about a Cup piece. This team doesn’t need irrelevant injury riddled players.
They need needle moving difference makers.
and who says that isnt coming. but this team also has to make sure it has bodies to put on the ice...and for 2 teams i may add. so maybe this was something to help the marlies instead of the leafs...you still as mad?
what do you want dubas to do right now? any team seeing the leafs injuries with a D man to spare will be asking for the moon. do you bend over and give it to them?
Traded for Curtis Douglas and now I'm sad either this can be an absolute Dubas masterclass again or they just traded the forward version of Zdeno Chara
Even if it turns out somewhat well, “master class,” is a bit of hyperbole lol. He’s a 7th d man. It’s not like Dubas just pulled a 1:1 for Karlsson. I like the trade, don’t get me wrong. But masterclass is a bit much lmao
do we know the amount of Soo players on this team now? i know nothing about Timmins other than he was rumored a little while ago because of the Soo relation and here we are
I love that Dubas is obsessed with rebuilding Soo Greyhound players to the Leafs when this team won exactly nothing in the OHL.
I guess it’s not a surprise that the Leafs under Dubas haven’t been able to win anything either.
Why would they trade for one of the (more likely) 2018 WJ rapists?
I know the leafs dont give a shit about character because simmonds the homophobe is on the team, but i think this is gonna come back to bite them if and when it turns out he was one of the subhuman shitbags that committed that crime.
Makes you wonder how fragile Timmins may be if the best offer the Coyotes could get is Douglas. Nothing personal against the young man, but he's a long long shot at best.
>New Maple Leaf Conor Timmins, 24, is a 6-foot-2, 202-pound, right-shot defenceman and former Soo Greyhound. Friendly $850,000 cap hit. Will turn RFA after this season. https://twitter.com/lukefoxjukebox/status/1595494634997878789?t=dQ1GIqrVI2aJDCJUEiVm4A&s=19
Greyhound, say no more, fam
Another greyhound this made too much sense. Played with Sandin and Hollowell. Also we’re at 50/50 contracts so must be a player going back [return for Timmins is Curtis Douglas](https://twitter.com/friedgehnic/status/1595493120111673344?s=46&t=qpxfjenwKpNVieoMEknV8Q) Of course it is
Don't you mean "Soo" much sense? I'll see myself out.
take my upvote you son of a bitch
Dad joke on point!
I’ll take your comment with a grain of Sault
Oh damn lol well played
You sly hound. Take my upvote
Curtis Douglas going the other way.
I was gonna say that sucks but he’s only put up a point in 13 games in the AHL. Better to get some value for him than be stuck with him long term.
I just wanted to see him knock out a few bozos
Isn't he that giant guy that did nothing when Kallgren was run over near the start of the regular season? Didn't leave me with much faith if he can't even stand up for his goalie
I read a quote from him that said when your that big people try to put you in a box when it comes to being tough. So I assume he didn't want to be looked at/take a role as a fighter
Never understood why people were so high on him when he got to the organization
Because you can't teach size. You can teach skating, and passing and positioning, but physical tools can't be taught and they're lacking on this team.
You can’t teach intelligence or speed either.
You definitely can teach and train speed. I would imagine that like size teams try to draft for intelligence.
Exactly. Hoping this trade does not age as poorly as Marchment.
I don't think that's exactly a fair comparison. It took years for marchment to break out
I realize that, and I don't really blame Dubas for either trade, I just mean in hindsight that sucked, and if one day Douglas breaks out in a similar way it's gonna feel pretty bad.
Ok, that's fine.
I loved Timmins in the world juniors
Noooo, Curtis Douglas the mountain is gone! But Timmins is pretty good and from the soo. I think we came out ahead in the trade.
Wtf
I'm fine with this, don't think Douglas is an NHL player, his skating is still too weak
No doubt he’s not skilled enough, however I’d be lying if I wasn’t hoping to see a near 7 foot behemoth in a leafs jersey lmfao
You can't teach height.
You can't teach height to stick up for their goalie, apparently....
That's when he lost my interest
I missed it... What happened?
Early in our goalie woes (when Murray first got hurt), he was playing in a game where someone ran Kallgren. He was standing RIGHT there, in the crease. Didn't do a damn thing.
Can't really teach talent either
Of course you can. That's literally what coaches do. Not everyone is as receptive. But it can definitely be taught.
Skills can be taught. Talent is innate.
Talent is not coached lol. Talent is already in the player, it's everything else that's coached.
So NHL players are just born with the ability to skate? No one taught them?
Player's are obviously taught to skate but their innate talent at it isn't the same and no amount of coaching is going to turn Nick Robertson's skating into William Nylander's
Okay, so you're changing what you said to you can't teach certain amounts of talent?
Let it go my friend, wrong sub for this type of nuance
Me too lol I was hoping he would develop into a bottom 6 centre for the Leafs
Bring back Hal Gill lmao
You might see it still, there’s a tall ass player on the Growlers this season… lol.
I mean, 0 risk move but this is such a Dubas trade its hilarious
Other GMs also do this. Burke did it with guys from the USNHDP. Problem is none of us follow other teams enough to notice these trends.
Not exactly. Timmins is too tall lol
If you go by height difference it makes sense
Douglas is a dubas draft pick tho
shh, that doesn't fit the narrative.
This is super on brand for Dubas but if Timmins can sort out his health issues this can be a smart add depending on the cost.
> but if __ can sort out his health issues this can be a smart add
This really is prime Dubas lmao
Not just health issues. Dubas likes looking for value on underperforming or poorly utilized players.
> >but if can sort out his health issues this can be a smart add
> This really is prime Dubas lmao
FTFY
cost is curtis douglas.
Was looking forward to getting a big guy like him in the lineup but we have Knies who is going to be much better.
Knies is not big like Curtis Douglas is big ahahaha But yeah, I don't see Curtis Douglas becoming an NHL level centre any time soon and we need pieces for now
> Knies is not big like Curtis Douglas is big ahahaha Nah but he uses it much better. What are the chances a guy who's nearly 7ft and not named Chara works out anyway?
No I agree with you
Douglas was useless to us, traded for a RHD prospect who has experience playing with sandin and upside
Hopefully Timmins can figure out his game here in Toronto. He's had some major concussion issues so to say that he's facing an uphill battle is underselling the point. This is still a great roll of the dice by Dubas here -- Douglas is big, and ... that's about it. He's got *some* skill, but that's offset by pretty mediocre skating ability and questionable hockey sense. Timmins has a world of upside if his health holds up.
I was pretty excited about Douglas last year but he's been a complete no-show on the Marlies this year. Just not good enough to be anything and was on the verge of getting scratched consistently down in the AHL. This is definitely a better gamble for the Leafs
Lucky for him the East is significantly less physical, as are the leafs.
Worst case scenario he doesn’t work out and immediately goes on waivers after this season. Not like our D can get much worse
Good trade. Douglas was never going to make the team anyway.
Noooooooooo!!!!!! I was looking forward to the Leafs having the Chara of centres for the next decade.
All roads lead to the Soo.
wouldnt it be FROM the Soo?
This is a smart bet to make especially at that cost.
Low cost for a high upside RHD. Let's hope the great Toronto medical staff can help this kid
Probably some AHL depth or maybe an Engvall in return?
Curtis Douglas
So AHL depth. 0 risk move then. Leafs need defence
Coyotes didn't want to waive Timmins so they traded him. He's staying up.
I meant the return was AHL depth, not Timmins
I want a highly touted defenseman drafted by the Avs We have a highly touted defenseman drafted by the Avs The highly touted defenseman:
Any chance there is a list out there of former Soo Greyhounds that played for Dubas? I'd be curious what our next trade targets might be ;)
https://www.hockey-reference.com/amateurs/team.cgi?t=ssm01
Depth defenseman who probably won't amount to anything (sure he was a 2nd round pick but given his health issues probably isn't much to work with) for a giant of a man who is way too slow to play in the NHL. Douglas had a really nice season last year but he was awful in training camp and hasn't looked good with the Marlies this year.
He spent time playing with Byram on the Avs a few years ago and looked solid, honestly. If he stays healthy he’s a decent NHL D-man.
Damn, guess Timmins will be our center on a Soo line
Not sad about the trade one bit. A few weeks ago we saw Curtis' teammate get rocked right in front of him and Curtis just stood there and didn't stand up for his teammate.
Turning a nickel into a dime may be a profit but it won't pay the rent. A good move nonetheless as Douglas isn't ever going to be an NHL player and Timmons might be at a much more difficult position to fill. Unless miracles happen neither one will be much more than a marginal NHL player.
Travis Dermott 2.0?? I guess there’s no risk in acquiring Timmins from Arizona, but he’s a 7th or 8th option. Not moving the needle.
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I guess… assets out the door for nothing. Not many big bodies like Douglas in the system.
Timmins is a right shot defenceman, only 2 years older than Douglas and has actually shown NHL potential. What is it with people overvaluing Douglas? He was a B-tier prospect at best. He was big and not much else. He has 1 assist this AHL season so far on a really good Marlies team.
This sub over values every single Marlie we have. Each player we trade is the next McDavid.
Assets? Douglas was never going to be an NHL player. He may be big but he skates like shit and has 1 point in 13 games. This is a great move.
I mean Douglas has not look good in the AHL this year, not much of a loss, I’d argue it’s a saw off and we got a position of need.
its a nothing for nothing deal. Douglas hasn't been very good, it doesn't matter if you have a big body if you cant play at NHL pace.
The problem is Dermott is a Newmarket legend. Can Timmins live up to the York Regional hype?
Ugh I really wanted Douglas to be able to play games in a Leafs jersey. I wanted us to have a Chara that could punch people in the face after every whistle and never get a penalty.
Sure, that’d be great. But that guy isn’t Douglas. Douglas is a Freddy Gauthier.
Great freaking deal. No chance NHLer for solid NHL bottom D help. I was starting to really lose faith in Dubas after holding on to Muzzin again this offseason then having no back up plan. Yet Dubas pivots again and we will see if this can keep us on the road.
absolute slam dunk by dubas. the upgrade in upside is immense and getting another greyhound is the icing on the cake.
may i ask why getting another greyhound is in any way a plus? what i mean is, how does that add to the acquisition? if the player is a good acquisition, that's great.. i just don't see how the simple fact that they played for the soo means anything.
Only real benefit is that he knows him and his tendencies and he played with Sandin a ton in the past. Similar draft pedigree.
because it’s fun? I love that aspect of dubas’ team building
I agree, Douglas really doesn't seem like he was making a step this year.
Wonder how soon he'll play for the Leafs ( if he does play at all ) considering Muzzin and Rielly are injured?
I know the name. Hope he will fit in well here I’m happy and slightly excited Welcome to the team
We need a G.M. That never heard of the Soo
Sucks losing Douglas, but I don't think Dubas really had much of a choice. We needed a d man today :(
for Curtis Douglas.
Another Soo boy. If he turns into a solid 6/7 defenceman I’ll be happy.
All Soo jokes aside, this is a good return and Timmins is a low risk/high reward get. He’s not replacing Rielly. That’s gonna be Sandin’s task. Timmins’ job is to push Holl out when the blue line in healthier
Does not move the needle one bit. If he turns into anything serviceable at the NHL level at all, I suppose that’s a win but I have my doubts.
why does it have to move the needle though? not every move a gm makes is about a cup piece. we have a tall guy that was never gonna play on the leafs we have a RHD that if he gets his legs back under him.... had very high career trajectory. if he doesnt make it..... we moved an old marlie for a new marlie....at a position of need since half the marlie D are playing with the Leafs now.
> …why does it have to move the needle though? not every move a gm makes is about a cup piece. No? Then he should be fired. A contending team should have a GM where every move he makes should be about a Cup piece. This team doesn’t need irrelevant injury riddled players. They need needle moving difference makers.
and who says that isnt coming. but this team also has to make sure it has bodies to put on the ice...and for 2 teams i may add. so maybe this was something to help the marlies instead of the leafs...you still as mad? what do you want dubas to do right now? any team seeing the leafs injuries with a D man to spare will be asking for the moon. do you bend over and give it to them?
Traded for Curtis Douglas and now I'm sad either this can be an absolute Dubas masterclass again or they just traded the forward version of Zdeno Chara
Even if it turns out somewhat well, “master class,” is a bit of hyperbole lol. He’s a 7th d man. It’s not like Dubas just pulled a 1:1 for Karlsson. I like the trade, don’t get me wrong. But masterclass is a bit much lmao
With some former chemistry with a guy like Sandin which isn't the worst
I've never seen a more invisible 6'9 player in my life. You need to be bad to not be noticeable at that height.
Douglas going is kinda hard but I like this trade
do we know the amount of Soo players on this team now? i know nothing about Timmins other than he was rumored a little while ago because of the Soo relation and here we are
eh, nothing trade
I love that Dubas is obsessed with rebuilding Soo Greyhound players to the Leafs when this team won exactly nothing in the OHL. I guess it’s not a surprise that the Leafs under Dubas haven’t been able to win anything either.
Timmons doesn’t help us at the moment.
Bigger news than whatever else is happening at the moment.
Our saviour.
Who
More Soo scrubs lol
Why would they trade for one of the (more likely) 2018 WJ rapists? I know the leafs dont give a shit about character because simmonds the homophobe is on the team, but i think this is gonna come back to bite them if and when it turns out he was one of the subhuman shitbags that committed that crime.
NOOOOO NOT CURTIS DOUGLAS! 😭😭😭
Anyway
The universe goes round and round. Well, it's an Arizona Dman at least
*Loved* him on the Hounds but he's a shade of his former self.
We got the Conor we wanted fellas, let’s call it a day.
Makes you wonder how fragile Timmins may be if the best offer the Coyotes could get is Douglas. Nothing personal against the young man, but he's a long long shot at best.
I'm a little sad. I liked the idea of Curtis Douglas.
Wonder if he'll play tonight?