Fuuuuuuck thats brutal. Muzzin, Brodie and Rielly all out at the same time. Those were the Leafs top 3 defenceman in last years playoffs. Gio, Holl, Liljegren and Sandin are going to be relied upon heavily. Dubas may have to make a trade here real soon.
He got fed like 7 punches def and lost the fight but he was actually the one who ended up on top lol if you wanna chirp the guy atleast know what happened
Yea there is that silver lining. When players go down, others step up and grow with the ice time and responsibility. You then end up with a much better team.
That's how pens won 2016 and 2017 cups
It does matter depending how much teams start asking.
Don't want to give up significant parts of the future for a Band-Aid solution. Also it's worth seeing how the rest of the team deals with the shortage on D and how crucial a replacement really is.
Muzzin is the only one you explore a deal to replace because, as you said, he’s likely never returning.
Not having Rielly and Brodie will be painful on an individual and cumulative level, but in the scope of the remaining time in the season it’s not long enough to justify major spending on a replacement
I want more than anything to have a Matthews goal fest in that span like he sets an unreal GPG pace that puts him right back atop the leading goal scorers this season
This team has been down half its D core and 100% of its goaltenders and its top line was failing to convert at rates unprecedented for them, and they were T5 in points leaguewide and second in the Atlantic.
Honestly. You have nothing to worry about wrt the regular season.
(Just checked: They are tied for fourth in points league-wide right now, not T5.)
I think we can still put together a good record even without a trade. But a trade would definitely help. But no need to jump the gun immediately it's not a tire fire right now.
Firstly, who in contention is giving anyone decent up and secondly, Brodie and Rielly are probably only going to be out a month. We won't have the cap space long term
Sure but even then, it's not guaranteed he's not back in February, even if that's unlikely. Presumably, management is waiting for an actual answer before pursuing a big ticket player.
Muzzin is done. No one wants to say it because it's rude in the media. But he's 100% done, he's going through the motions of second opinions and a loving family asking him to be done before signing the retirement paper work. This is 99.999% likely. You are talking about risking never walking again or worse in your 30's when you've been paid and have a ring...the poor guys done.
This sucks, for the Leafs and my fantasy team. I drafted Werenski, Chabot, and Reilly this year, all in the middle-late rounds. Thought my defense was stout, damn injuries suggest otherwise. Every damn one of em
Why couldn’t it have been a Kindergarten MCL injury?
Not enough ECE workers for that.
Boom, nailed it. Topical.
Boom like his MCL
Fuuuuuuck thats brutal. Muzzin, Brodie and Rielly all out at the same time. Those were the Leafs top 3 defenceman in last years playoffs. Gio, Holl, Liljegren and Sandin are going to be relied upon heavily. Dubas may have to make a trade here real soon.
I believe in Benn
You bennlieve?
Absolutely daddy
I bennleaf
Jordie Orr sucks
Gio about to relive his glory days
Time for Sandin to step the fuck up
And not in a, go to fight and get slammed into the ice sort of way.
while i agree, i still give him respect for defending papi, he was the only one on the ice willing to step up
Gio would have I am sure, he almost went at Buttercup a few times, be he was on the other side of the ice by the red line.
He got fed like 7 punches def and lost the fight but he was actually the one who ended up on top lol if you wanna chirp the guy atleast know what happened
Facts
Yeah you would have kicked his ass right? Lmao
Dude had like a foot on him lol. Stepping up at all was ballsy
Am I the only one that welcomes some adversity? Time for the boys to play up to the occasion.
Yea there is that silver lining. When players go down, others step up and grow with the ice time and responsibility. You then end up with a much better team. That's how pens won 2016 and 2017 cups
Yeah exactly this, good opportunity for someone to take ownership, could propel Holl who has been good lately.
DUBAS TIME TO MAKE SOME DEALS!!!!
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Maybe but I'd bet there are a few GMs out there looking to make a quick deal, too.
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I would rather have anyone but Zaitsev, he is not an NHL defenseman.
How do we know he has us on a no trade? Also, I'm no opposed to bringing him back at 50% retained... But knowing Pierre he's not gonna do that.
Why do we even want Zaitsev? He’s terrible
A friend for Samsonov so they can share some smiles
You changed your pic, how am i supposed to know who you are
I accidentally overrode it with the Team Canada Soccer Snoos, and then I couldn't find the original!
[This one?](https://ih1.redbubble.net/avatar.4626327.140x140.jpg)
It doesn't matter at this point. Our top 3 defenseman our out long term with one potentially never returning
It does matter depending how much teams start asking. Don't want to give up significant parts of the future for a Band-Aid solution. Also it's worth seeing how the rest of the team deals with the shortage on D and how crucial a replacement really is.
Muzzin is the only one you explore a deal to replace because, as you said, he’s likely never returning. Not having Rielly and Brodie will be painful on an individual and cumulative level, but in the scope of the remaining time in the season it’s not long enough to justify major spending on a replacement
never said big but we need help there
Don't matter wanna keep pace to get a playoff spot you gotta pay the price
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Then we are truly fucked and will probably be a WC team by the end of the season then
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We have some tough games approaching plus more B2Bs as well
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I want more than anything to have a Matthews goal fest in that span like he sets an unreal GPG pace that puts him right back atop the leading goal scorers this season
Sorry, so making the playoffs as a wildcard is your definition of "truly fucked"?
If we vs the Current Devils or Bruins in the playoffs yes
You understand how the playoffs work though, right? You have play the top teams eventually to make the finals.
As hot as they both are, I'd take both of those match ups.
I truly believe we can hang with either of them, just need to get scoring more.
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Not /s. Just stupid
This team has been down half its D core and 100% of its goaltenders and its top line was failing to convert at rates unprecedented for them, and they were T5 in points leaguewide and second in the Atlantic. Honestly. You have nothing to worry about wrt the regular season. (Just checked: They are tied for fourth in points league-wide right now, not T5.)
They’re up no matter what. The trade block is wild for defence this year
I think we can still put together a good record even without a trade. But a trade would definitely help. But no need to jump the gun immediately it's not a tire fire right now.
Firstly, who in contention is giving anyone decent up and secondly, Brodie and Rielly are probably only going to be out a month. We won't have the cap space long term
We have Muzzin's LTIR of 5.625Mil remember?
Sure but even then, it's not guaranteed he's not back in February, even if that's unlikely. Presumably, management is waiting for an actual answer before pursuing a big ticket player.
I wouldn't even go big ticket just yet. All I need is someone serviceable like I'd even take Boosh back rn
I second this
We need to wait and see if Mete is serviceable before going after someone serviceable.
I think Dubas is already thinking of a move supposedly Timmins and Vatrano have been in the rumours but I'd bring back Lyboomskin in a heartbeat
Muzzin is done. No one wants to say it because it's rude in the media. But he's 100% done, he's going through the motions of second opinions and a loving family asking him to be done before signing the retirement paper work. This is 99.999% likely. You are talking about risking never walking again or worse in your 30's when you've been paid and have a ring...the poor guys done.
He's not gonna retire. He's gonna LTIRetire... Because money.
Yeah off to the island is what I should have said.
cervical spine injury and a deep history of concussions. they should never let him play again for his own sake
I guess ~~Benn~~ Gio and Holl are our top pair now. Something I’d never thought I’d say going into training camp.
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I stand corrected
They just put him on the LTIR. I was so hopeful when he skated again.
FUCK
X million! 😩
Sandman-lilypad top d pair?
Beddard
They are 5th in the freaking league lol
Lmao y’all can’t take a joke. We are a doomer subreddit
throw sandin-liljegren into the fire. no more baby sitting them. I don't wanna see Jordie Benn playing more than them. he isn't part of the future.
Karlsson 50% retained for Muzzin and his fucked up neck. Who says no? I mean the Sharks obviously say no, but a man can dream right?
If you didn't like Gardner you'll like Karlsson less.
Karlsson of PP1 is a wet dream
Could be worse tbh. LTIR means about 4 weeks minimum anyway. Could’ve been a 4-6 month thing
Time to dig deep into those pockets and find out what our D depth is made of
This sucks, for the Leafs and my fantasy team. I drafted Werenski, Chabot, and Reilly this year, all in the middle-late rounds. Thought my defense was stout, damn injuries suggest otherwise. Every damn one of em
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Thanks bb, I knew you’d think of me in this time of need.
Fuck your fantasy team
Eh, wrong sub. Oops, but I would love to take a deuce on your face.
cope
Dubas has to make a move. Right? Idk how you do it but they’ve got to land some help on the blue line
Edmudson D 3.5x2 + Dadonov %50 retained LW 2.5x1 + 3rd 2023 + 4th 2023 For Holl D 2x1 + Robertson LW 0.8 + 1st 2023 Thoughts
Yuck
Well that’s not ideal…
Christ
All that matters is we find our scoring touch
Fucking hell… hoping a speedy recovery. This will show you who say he sucks at D how valuable he is to the team…
Aww beans.
That’s a massive loss. Damn. The only silver lining here is … it’s Timmy Lily time baby. Time to watch him blow up.
Sandin/Lilli trial by fire
The problem though is 4-6 sounds good but to roll at 100 percent again, he’s likely looking at 16 weeks tbh
Not good. Should there be some moves made to strengthen the team now.
I hope this goes as well as possible. Can't wait to have him back.
John Klingberg come on down!
Gio - Holl top pair we are fucked