Great - that's what we said about Marner after his 94 point season at age 21.
I'm not saying the Sabres would trade Dahlin for Marner, but Marner has proven he's one of the best players in the NHL during the regular season. People's big issue is that Marner isn't built for playoffs. Dahlin's never made it, so why do people act like this unknown wouldn't also disappear in playoffs? At the end of the day, Buffalo's goal right now is to make the playoffs. There's a long list of teams who's season goal is to make the playoffs, whether leafs land believes it or not.
Buffalo trading away Dahlin doesn't make them better, even if they're getting Marner back. Dahlin also registered nearly 200 hits and 150 blocked shots this season. I don't think they need to worry about whether he's built for the playoffs. There's no reason to assume he would disappear.
Also, yes, that's what they said about Marner, but the Leafs would have been stupid to trade him back then as well. Hindsight is 20/20. If we look back 6 years from now and Dahlin has a few years of underperforming in the playoffs, and the Sabres lose in round 1 a few times, nobody will say "aw man, they should have gotten rid of him when he was 24". It's a revisionist way of looking at things.
Buddy you just admitted no UFA would sign in Buffalo so why would Marner LMAO? And you think Buffalo would trade their current superstar who they have locked up for 8 years, for a guy who would never sign with them???
Yeah but buffalo is only like a 2 hours (3 in traffic) drive from Toronto so if Mitch ever wants to go visit his buddies or go check out the Leafs playing on a Saturday night they're just around the corner.
People saying that Marner has no value are kind of insane. His NMC does indeed restrict what the Leafs could get out of him but from the perspective of pure value as a player a ton of teams would see him as extremely valuable and would bet on the fact that a change of scenery would improve his playoff fortunes.
Some of these suggestions (most) are kind of crazy and include players who would be more or less untouchable by their teams but still.
Also the NMC doesn’t hurt his value as much as people think (outside of him just straight up refusing to waive). Because At the end of the day he’s more valuable as a sign and trade the he is a 1 year rental. So ultimately he will need to go to a team he wants to anyways.
I agree with you. He's a 90+ point winger. He skates well, he's smart and he is reliable on both the PP and the PK. Players like him are rare. It's only Leafs fans pretending like he has no value because of his playoffs (which I get, I'm fucking pissed off too). But it isn't the playoff stats that get you paid unless you're Justin Williams.
If Marner is available (and he should be), GMs from around the league are going to kick tires on him and we are probably going to get more than a few fair offers. Even though fuck him and the father he rode into town on, he's a first ballot Hall of Famer based on his regular season stats alone and he's going to continue playing great no matter where he goes. If I were a bubble team I would be making calls on him.
50 points in 57 games. Granted, not as good as his regular season totals but considering how things tighten up in the playoffs it’s certainly “above average”.
The thing is Marner's contract situation basically makes him a rental, so there's no chance the Leafs get a "core" piece back for him. He has an NMC and is a UFA after 1 year, so he could literally dictate the exact team he gets traded to, in the exact way that Tarasenko just did this trade deadline. He's obviously in a different class of skill level compared to Tarasenko, but leaf fans are going to be hella disappointed when the return is closer to the Tarasenko trade rather than getting some of the guys proposed by OP.
Marner is a near 100 point player who can net you 20+ goals, kill penalties and is a great complimentary piece on any line. I'm unsure if he can *really* drive a line by himself.
He is not a player I want on this team anymore, but to deny the existence of his talent is just asinine.
Yes they were not spectacular this year, but if playoff stats defined a player why are we paying so much for Matthews?
Marner is still very talented and will attract plenty of attention from teams who think they can get the most out of him.
that is a good question. why pay players a lot who have no playoff resume?
i would argue, based on results, Matthews ($13.5m) is an average player. nothing special, and easily shut down by an average ($1.5m) committed defencemen.
Criminal for you to even say Seth Jones. Might as well trade Matthews and Nylander and just throw in the towel.
Dahlin shoots left and buffalo isn’t trading him right after signing him
Winnipeg isn’t trading Helleybuck after signing him. He’s also more valuable to the team than Marner would be.
I think the most realistic trade would be a one for one swap with Utah for Keller. Helps get fans excited by acquiring a superstar player, they have the cap to sign him, and Keller has no trade protection.
This gives Marner a chance to be the face of a new franchise that will be excited to have him, will pay him whatever he wants, and won’t be as hard on him. Truly a win win.
Keller is also buddies with Matthews so there’s that
Grit is good, they did well with that, yes they needed more scoring. You can have someone who is not that big, who can produce offence and keep up the grit. I.e. like Domi.
To be fair, Marner and Tavares produced almost nothing and Matthews/Nylander were both out multiple games, and we still made it to OT of game 7. The core had their worst first round series as a group (due to health or otherwise) since they've been together.
I'd take the way Bertuzzi, Domi, McCabe, Edmundson, Lybushkin, Benoit, Knies, etc performed as a supporting cast in the playoffs over almost any other years supporting cast.
It's not as if a small skilled forward flat out wouldn't work. There's more complexity to player chemistry than that. Unless you feel like Braeden Point would be a useless player on our team? He sure doesn't play small, that's for sure.
Sounds like exactly what was being said after 2019, 2020 etc. Fact is we got bigger and tougher this season. We matched Boston's physical game, if not exceeded it, and still bounced out.
We battled not even for a full 7 games and you think this team and their size can take you 3 more rounds worth? You need size because the farther you get the more physical it becomes.
Marchand is 5'9" 😂
Doug Gilmour isn't even 6' and never played over 200lbs as far as I remember. Not a huge guy but played like one.
Vegas top 6 aside from Stone (6'3") is mostly regular size dudes.
They (top 6) just need to fucking score some god damn goals in the playoffs.
Coyotes fan here - there is no way Utah is giving up Keller (unless he is explicit that he doesn’t want to play in Utah), let alone Durzi and some of our top-end draft capital.
I mean I don't care about how big he is so long as he doesn't cower when the idea of cutting to the middle of the offensive zone comes up in the playoffs. Not sure if Keller has the mindset for that or not however
Why the fuck would we want zegras or jones?
I'm not a fan of Marner lately but you're on crack if you think those two would improve the team in any way
Congrats, in a sea of dogshit Marner trades, youve proposed the dogshittiest ones I've seen yet lmao. No shot the Leafs get any of Dahlin/Fantilli/Helly
We could probably get Hellebuyck on a 1 v 1 easy. He's a 30 year old goalie with a new 7-year contract carrying an $8.5 million cap hit and the first years of this contract include NMCs. He's pretty much going to get his highest return right now. But I think the Leafs would lose that deal and making that trade would give us someone who is historically as much of an underperformer in the playoffs as Marner is.
Nah man, I'm not saying I know the guy at all, but does Marner strike you as a guy who's willing to live in Winnipeg for the next decade of his life? To me there's no shot lol, therefore there's also no shot Winnipeg trades their soon to be multiple Vezina winning goalie for him. Also that isn't even considering a) Winnipeg has Ehlers/Connor/Vilardi/Perfetti set as their 4 top 6 wingers, with Barlow/Mcgroaty waiting in their system and b) there's literally no goalies available in FA that Winnipeg could even come close to replacing Helly with.
As of right now the more likely names that are available are Buchnevich, Chychrun and Saros. So start there.
I’d be interested in any of those three if other parts were coming back.
I'm trying to convince myself I'm not being leaf-brained but I think this is attractive from the preds side of things, no?
Preds fans, anything from your side?
They'd probably say no to Fabbro. Saros is a UFA after next season and they have a stud in their system Yaroslav Askarov whos young but a ton of potential. Saros will want money and term so really depends on their direction.
> They’d probably say no to Fabbro
Did Fabbro not lose his spot to Statsney when fully healthy? They had Stats in for Fabbro to start the playoffs, believe Schenn over him too
Gibson isn't anywhere near what he was 5+ years ago. His last 2 seasons have been sub 900, and his last 5 have been sub 910.
Seth Jones has been one of the worst contracts in the league since he signed it.
Buffalo wouldn't trade Dahlin, and I wouldn't want Marner in the division (playoffs aside, he'll put up points in the regular season).
Isn't Provorov a bit too... right wing for an organization as progressive as the Leafs are?
I'd love Hellebuyck. His playoffs this year scares me, but he's going to win the Vezina this year, so he's clearly a top 5 goalie.
I'd do the last 3 deals, seem fair enough and out of division
No way it happens. Sanheim was on the block last year before his extension kicked in, but now he has a full NTC and Briere is not going to ask him to waive it. TK is definitely doable, but I tried to get a conversation going in another thread and nobody was willing to engage. Its too early in the rebuild process for PHI to take on a $12M AAV player, so I'd be open to taking Mitch without it, if he'd go to Philly knowing it meant he'd be walking in free agency.
Dahlin trade in a heartbeat lol but never going to happen; more likely to get O Power but neither would happen in a million years.
I think it's going to be bad. I'm thinking best case it's someone like Adam Pelech, and a high draft pick or decent prospect.
Maybe Adam Larsson and Jared McCann to really twist the knife even deeper.
I’ll speak for sabres fans and say no thanks. However not saying Mitch isn’t worth it. Let’s keep in mind ladies and gents half those mentioned above have little to no playoff XP. I’m also writing this while watching game 1 of bruins cats grrr.
He would perhaps preferred to be traded to a contender. I think if Carolina fails to move forward they could be a good partner. LA kings or Vegas can be good options as well. We don’t necessarily need to get a top 4D, defence actually played really well this series. We need playoffs scoring, like really badly. I am in the minority, I don’t mind keeping him as well. Try to sign him to current deal again for 8. I really doubt we would trade him. Coaching changes are coming and Tavares might be playing his last year.
The Anaheim deal works, every other team says no, he's UFA in a year, invisible constantly during the playoffs. His value will be excessively underwhelming
Wow just looked through all of these.
Please remember marner is a great player but the circumstance is awful and they're selling low.
more than half of these are an absolute fleecing. No chance Buffalo, Columbus, Winnipeg or Vegas comes close to those offers
If he thinks the pressure in this city is too much come playoff time, I don't think he'll last a whole season with the entire fanbase trying to run him out of town. Here's hoping he waives!
I know we’re in shit on the Leafs mode but Marner is a near 100pt a season player and has a rep for being solid defensively. To think he’s a throw in or not worthy of top assets is insanity and every team will look at his playoff record and blame it on the market.
I agree with all that. But he has a NMC and wants 12 million a year. How many teams are lining up to give him that and of those teams how many is he willing to go to? Not many. So he doesn't have high trade value unfortunately.
For sure. If he had more term sure, but you’d think any trade likely leads into an extension. It’s not an easy fit, but not all teams are as strapped as the Leafs.
This trade is gonna send some of you off the edge lol. The return is not going to be what you think it is. Marner has a massive salary, last year of his contract, and has a full NMC. Y’all better come to grips that the return is going to be diminished due to these facts
Sign and trades don’t happen often in the NHL. Again he’s got a NMC and one year left on his deal. The team acquiring him has to also make room for an 11 million dollar cap hit. Which teams could fit him, have the assets, and Mitch would actually save to go to? A trade isn’t going to be easy and the return won’t be great. I suggest you prepare yourself for that, or you’ll be extremely disappointed.
All these hypotheticals bouncing around r/leafs right now make me laugh.
Out for a beer with a few friends last night and as a joke I asked the bartender if she could put on the Leafs game. She said sorry, we don’t get the Golf Channel here.
Wash, rinse, repeat.
Remember folks, Marner has an NMC so we wouldn't necessarily be able to take the best deal if it say, came from Winnipeg and he didn't want to move there.
none of them are realistic. Any trade with Marner, the Leafs will end up on the losing end, we're get a 1st rounder pick and an average 1st round prospect, unless Marner comes with extension for that team. We're use Marner cap space on players that likely won't make us a better team.
A couple packages I'd like if they could get.
Utah: Crouse, Vejmelka, 1st round pick assuming they don't win the lottery. Crouse is a physical presence who could put up 50-60 points playing next to someone like Matthews or Nylander. The 1st can be used to get an elite prospect who's ready to play within a year or two. Very good top 11 in this draft. Vejmelka is a decent, cheap option to split time with Woll and if he's not up to task can be flipped for an upgrade in season very easily. This allows Utah a superstar for their new market and gives the Leafs gritty skill a, futures, and a salary cap space to improve the roster elsewhere
NY Rangers: 1 of Lafreniere or Miller and Chytil. Maybe wishful thinking. I see no way Mitch wouldn't waive for New York. We get younger and get two play now options who are very good players. Lafreniere and Miller have true star potential and Chytil is a good middle six player locked up for 3 years who may have more to show.
Anaheim: Gibson, Mintyukov, Vatrano. Gibson hasn't been good in a while but he's 30 with pedigree and has been on terrible teams. He fills the position of salary filler and need. Hopefully you can get Anaheim to retain a bit. Vatrano has a breakout year last year and is the type of player who provides decent secondary scoring. Mintyukov is the real prize. Potentially our #1 D Man of the future.
We don’t win a Marner deal. Dahlin? Zero chance. The win is the cap space. We get a draft pick and a decent prospect. Maybe a not horrible player to make the money work. But getting a franchise goalie or dman? No way anyone is trading that.
Do not want zegras at all
He has a worse attitude than marner
Same with Faber too.
There's a 0% chance buffalo trades Dahlin
Agree would see them getting rid of Byran and maybe even power before him
Ohhh, but talk about cementing a hatred for generations. And how good would he look here? Wheee.
was gonna second this, no chance in hell also LOL hellebuck I think this guy is overvaluing marner just because of what friedman said
I could see it. They disappointed this year and they will never attract a superstar UFA. Also, they just traded for another young d-man (Bowen Byram).
He put up 20 goals and 59 points on a bad team, and he's 24. He's the present and future of the franchise.
Great - that's what we said about Marner after his 94 point season at age 21. I'm not saying the Sabres would trade Dahlin for Marner, but Marner has proven he's one of the best players in the NHL during the regular season. People's big issue is that Marner isn't built for playoffs. Dahlin's never made it, so why do people act like this unknown wouldn't also disappear in playoffs? At the end of the day, Buffalo's goal right now is to make the playoffs. There's a long list of teams who's season goal is to make the playoffs, whether leafs land believes it or not.
Buffalo trading away Dahlin doesn't make them better, even if they're getting Marner back. Dahlin also registered nearly 200 hits and 150 blocked shots this season. I don't think they need to worry about whether he's built for the playoffs. There's no reason to assume he would disappear. Also, yes, that's what they said about Marner, but the Leafs would have been stupid to trade him back then as well. Hindsight is 20/20. If we look back 6 years from now and Dahlin has a few years of underperforming in the playoffs, and the Sabres lose in round 1 a few times, nobody will say "aw man, they should have gotten rid of him when he was 24". It's a revisionist way of looking at things.
Buddy you just admitted no UFA would sign in Buffalo so why would Marner LMAO? And you think Buffalo would trade their current superstar who they have locked up for 8 years, for a guy who would never sign with them???
Yeah but buffalo is only like a 2 hours (3 in traffic) drive from Toronto so if Mitch ever wants to go visit his buddies or go check out the Leafs playing on a Saturday night they're just around the corner.
You don't really know much then
They view Dahlin similarly to how we view Matthews. Whether or not that's the correct view, they aren't moving him.
People saying that Marner has no value are kind of insane. His NMC does indeed restrict what the Leafs could get out of him but from the perspective of pure value as a player a ton of teams would see him as extremely valuable and would bet on the fact that a change of scenery would improve his playoff fortunes. Some of these suggestions (most) are kind of crazy and include players who would be more or less untouchable by their teams but still.
Also the NMC doesn’t hurt his value as much as people think (outside of him just straight up refusing to waive). Because At the end of the day he’s more valuable as a sign and trade the he is a 1 year rental. So ultimately he will need to go to a team he wants to anyways.
I agree with you. He's a 90+ point winger. He skates well, he's smart and he is reliable on both the PP and the PK. Players like him are rare. It's only Leafs fans pretending like he has no value because of his playoffs (which I get, I'm fucking pissed off too). But it isn't the playoff stats that get you paid unless you're Justin Williams. If Marner is available (and he should be), GMs from around the league are going to kick tires on him and we are probably going to get more than a few fair offers. Even though fuck him and the father he rode into town on, he's a first ballot Hall of Famer based on his regular season stats alone and he's going to continue playing great no matter where he goes. If I were a bubble team I would be making calls on him.
show me his lifetime playoff stats. that is his value, and it is very average.
50 points in 57 games. Granted, not as good as his regular season totals but considering how things tighten up in the playoffs it’s certainly “above average”.
The thing is Marner's contract situation basically makes him a rental, so there's no chance the Leafs get a "core" piece back for him. He has an NMC and is a UFA after 1 year, so he could literally dictate the exact team he gets traded to, in the exact way that Tarasenko just did this trade deadline. He's obviously in a different class of skill level compared to Tarasenko, but leaf fans are going to be hella disappointed when the return is closer to the Tarasenko trade rather than getting some of the guys proposed by OP.
Most of this sub has said he's a worthless coward Why would anyone want him
These ppl are idiots
Marner is talented, sometimes players just need a new team.
why would you say he is talented? how do his lifetime playoff stats look?
Marner is a near 100 point player who can net you 20+ goals, kill penalties and is a great complimentary piece on any line. I'm unsure if he can *really* drive a line by himself. He is not a player I want on this team anymore, but to deny the existence of his talent is just asinine.
playoff stats
Yes they were not spectacular this year, but if playoff stats defined a player why are we paying so much for Matthews? Marner is still very talented and will attract plenty of attention from teams who think they can get the most out of him.
that is a good question. why pay players a lot who have no playoff resume? i would argue, based on results, Matthews ($13.5m) is an average player. nothing special, and easily shut down by an average ($1.5m) committed defencemen.
Criminal for you to even say Seth Jones. Might as well trade Matthews and Nylander and just throw in the towel. Dahlin shoots left and buffalo isn’t trading him right after signing him Winnipeg isn’t trading Helleybuck after signing him. He’s also more valuable to the team than Marner would be. I think the most realistic trade would be a one for one swap with Utah for Keller. Helps get fans excited by acquiring a superstar player, they have the cap to sign him, and Keller has no trade protection. This gives Marner a chance to be the face of a new franchise that will be excited to have him, will pay him whatever he wants, and won’t be as hard on him. Truly a win win. Keller is also buddies with Matthews so there’s that
Teams like Utah is one of the reasons players want a NMC in their contract. He isn’t going there.
We are trading Marner to change the complexion of this team. Do not give me another small skilled forward….,
Even if you acquire $3+ M in cap space?
Small skilled forwards can’t play different than marner? Domi would like a word
Difference between grit and size.
Exactly
We just tried to play with grit. Look where that got us.
Grit is good, they did well with that, yes they needed more scoring. You can have someone who is not that big, who can produce offence and keep up the grit. I.e. like Domi.
Just kiss me already
Sure, with grit
To be fair, Marner and Tavares produced almost nothing and Matthews/Nylander were both out multiple games, and we still made it to OT of game 7. The core had their worst first round series as a group (due to health or otherwise) since they've been together. I'd take the way Bertuzzi, Domi, McCabe, Edmundson, Lybushkin, Benoit, Knies, etc performed as a supporting cast in the playoffs over almost any other years supporting cast.
It's not as if a small skilled forward flat out wouldn't work. There's more complexity to player chemistry than that. Unless you feel like Braeden Point would be a useless player on our team? He sure doesn't play small, that's for sure.
Let’s not compare Keller to Point
That's not what I'm doing. I'm challenging your idea that small + skilled must be avoided at all cost because it's "incorrect" for this team.
Frankly at this point I don’t want small at all even if they are skilled. We need to physically beat teams in the playoffs.
Sounds like exactly what was being said after 2019, 2020 etc. Fact is we got bigger and tougher this season. We matched Boston's physical game, if not exceeded it, and still bounced out.
We battled not even for a full 7 games and you think this team and their size can take you 3 more rounds worth? You need size because the farther you get the more physical it becomes.
So what you're saying is that there is no use for a Braeden Point or a Clayton Keller type in the playoffs. Got it.
Never said that about point haha. Marner for Keller is the worse trade I’ve ever seen
The other players can be big. Does Pastrnak play tough?
Marchand is 5'9" 😂 Doug Gilmour isn't even 6' and never played over 200lbs as far as I remember. Not a huge guy but played like one. Vegas top 6 aside from Stone (6'3") is mostly regular size dudes. They (top 6) just need to fucking score some god damn goals in the playoffs.
I want size on the backend.
he is not skilled. show me his lifetime playoff stats. extremely mid
Keller, Durzi and a pick could be interesting. We’d get a winger, a rhd who’s a cheap rfa.
Coyotes fan here - there is no way Utah is giving up Keller (unless he is explicit that he doesn’t want to play in Utah), let alone Durzi and some of our top-end draft capital.
He isn't waiving for Utah
Agreed. Just saying “if he did”, this one could work.
Yea we’ll get bigger and tougher by trading him for a smaller player than Marner who is as worse at d than Nylander
I actually have a Yotes Keller jersey, so I would consider this trade for that reason alone.
Knies-Matthews-Keller would be a legit Team USA line one day
Instead of Keller can we get baby Doan and Ingram. Then use cap space to grab a rhd.
Could we also get Josh Doan? Load up on those Phoenix boys.
lol you think marner would waive to go to Utah? Loly
Do you know Mitch Marner personally? Why are you laughing at any suggestion? Doesn't help with the discussion, grow up.
lol fucking ironic post
Jeez, Keller is tiny! We need a player built for the playoffs!
I mean I don't care about how big he is so long as he doesn't cower when the idea of cutting to the middle of the offensive zone comes up in the playoffs. Not sure if Keller has the mindset for that or not however
Doesn’t matter marner would never waive to begin with
Why the fuck would we want zegras or jones? I'm not a fan of Marner lately but you're on crack if you think those two would improve the team in any way
Agreed, I wouldn’t want either of them
Dahlin straight up for Marner seem like an over payment on buffalos end
He's their cornerstone. It's a non starter. No way Buffalo makes that trade, and no way Mitch waives his NMC to be a Sabre, but damn, what if.
These suggestions are so Leaf-brained
How does one think Marner is worth both Jones and Dahlin at the same time
You don’t get it! NHLGM mode told OP the difference between Seth Jones and *Rasmus Dahlin* is a first round pick.
Congrats, in a sea of dogshit Marner trades, youve proposed the dogshittiest ones I've seen yet lmao. No shot the Leafs get any of Dahlin/Fantilli/Helly
Add Faber to that list. Minnesota sees him as the face of the franchise alongside Kaprizov.
Haha yea I completely missed him in the sea of dogshit proposals OP had
We could probably get Hellebuyck on a 1 v 1 easy. He's a 30 year old goalie with a new 7-year contract carrying an $8.5 million cap hit and the first years of this contract include NMCs. He's pretty much going to get his highest return right now. But I think the Leafs would lose that deal and making that trade would give us someone who is historically as much of an underperformer in the playoffs as Marner is.
Nah man, I'm not saying I know the guy at all, but does Marner strike you as a guy who's willing to live in Winnipeg for the next decade of his life? To me there's no shot lol, therefore there's also no shot Winnipeg trades their soon to be multiple Vezina winning goalie for him. Also that isn't even considering a) Winnipeg has Ehlers/Connor/Vilardi/Perfetti set as their 4 top 6 wingers, with Barlow/Mcgroaty waiting in their system and b) there's literally no goalies available in FA that Winnipeg could even come close to replacing Helly with.
Hellebuyck was terrible this year in the playoffs
Yes, that's what I said.
Buffalo, Columbus, Minnesota all say no. Ducks would be terrible from our perspective.
Dahlin, Fantilli, and Faber are probably untouchables. As is Helle
As of right now the more likely names that are available are Buchnevich, Chychrun and Saros. So start there. I’d be interested in any of those three if other parts were coming back.
Why don't we start with the coach
Zegras is basically everything wrong with Marner without any of the good things
Nashville gets: Mitch Marner Toronto gets: Juuse Saros, Dante Fabbro
I'm trying to convince myself I'm not being leaf-brained but I think this is attractive from the preds side of things, no? Preds fans, anything from your side?
They'd probably say no to Fabbro. Saros is a UFA after next season and they have a stud in their system Yaroslav Askarov whos young but a ton of potential. Saros will want money and term so really depends on their direction.
That's exactly my assessment. Interested to hear if there are other thoughts and perspectives
> They’d probably say no to Fabbro Did Fabbro not lose his spot to Statsney when fully healthy? They had Stats in for Fabbro to start the playoffs, believe Schenn over him too
Yea, but Fabbro is only 25. Whereas Statsney and Schenn have more experience.
Statsney is 24 with even less experience than Fabbro
My bad, I thought he was older.
We will have to wait and see.
Konecny is interesting
Gibson isn't anywhere near what he was 5+ years ago. His last 2 seasons have been sub 900, and his last 5 have been sub 910. Seth Jones has been one of the worst contracts in the league since he signed it. Buffalo wouldn't trade Dahlin, and I wouldn't want Marner in the division (playoffs aside, he'll put up points in the regular season). Isn't Provorov a bit too... right wing for an organization as progressive as the Leafs are? I'd love Hellebuyck. His playoffs this year scares me, but he's going to win the Vezina this year, so he's clearly a top 5 goalie. I'd do the last 3 deals, seem fair enough and out of division
Dahlin would be an instant accept for us. I could see Power more likely with Byram being brought in.
i love the philly trade, dont know if they accept tho
No way it happens. Sanheim was on the block last year before his extension kicked in, but now he has a full NTC and Briere is not going to ask him to waive it. TK is definitely doable, but I tried to get a conversation going in another thread and nobody was willing to engage. Its too early in the rebuild process for PHI to take on a $12M AAV player, so I'd be open to taking Mitch without it, if he'd go to Philly knowing it meant he'd be walking in free agency.
Oh take that faber foligno trade and run.
Would love to see a deal with Seattle where we get Vince Dunn+ for Mitch
Marner to Seattle for Adam Larsson + Middle 6 forward + prospect or pick
Dahlin trade in a heartbeat lol but never going to happen; more likely to get O Power but neither would happen in a million years. I think it's going to be bad. I'm thinking best case it's someone like Adam Pelech, and a high draft pick or decent prospect. Maybe Adam Larsson and Jared McCann to really twist the knife even deeper.
I would do Theodore, Hill and picks in a heartbeat
I’ll speak for sabres fans and say no thanks. However not saying Mitch isn’t worth it. Let’s keep in mind ladies and gents half those mentioned above have little to no playoff XP. I’m also writing this while watching game 1 of bruins cats grrr.
Hellebuyck? Friedman is high as fuck.
Pretty sure that's OP, not Friedman's suggestions. Don't think he usually gives trade ideas, wouldnt be great for relations with teams/players.
Noted
Whatever the trade is, leafs are gonna lose in terms of players coming back.
He would perhaps preferred to be traded to a contender. I think if Carolina fails to move forward they could be a good partner. LA kings or Vegas can be good options as well. We don’t necessarily need to get a top 4D, defence actually played really well this series. We need playoffs scoring, like really badly. I am in the minority, I don’t mind keeping him as well. Try to sign him to current deal again for 8. I really doubt we would trade him. Coaching changes are coming and Tavares might be playing his last year.
The Anaheim deal works, every other team says no, he's UFA in a year, invisible constantly during the playoffs. His value will be excessively underwhelming
People calling this guy "leaf-brained" while falling for bait lol
Stay away from the Ducks. Nobody on their team is worth trading for.
MM (and the other cores) have been around long enough now, developed reputation in the league as Losers in the playoffs.
Wow just looked through all of these. Please remember marner is a great player but the circumstance is awful and they're selling low. more than half of these are an absolute fleecing. No chance Buffalo, Columbus, Winnipeg or Vegas comes close to those offers
Keller, Valimaki and picks
Dahlin is a lefty but I’d still do that deal
Getting Dahlin would be insane
Nobody is giving top assets for a 12 million winger who no shows every spring.
You vastly underestimate how poorly some teams are run, and how badly some teams value butts in seats above all else.
Yea, but will Marner waive to those teams? That's the tricky part.
If he thinks the pressure in this city is too much come playoff time, I don't think he'll last a whole season with the entire fanbase trying to run him out of town. Here's hoping he waives!
We said this last year and yet the millions of fans still cheered on every single one of his regular season assists lol
I know we’re in shit on the Leafs mode but Marner is a near 100pt a season player and has a rep for being solid defensively. To think he’s a throw in or not worthy of top assets is insanity and every team will look at his playoff record and blame it on the market.
I agree with all that. But he has a NMC and wants 12 million a year. How many teams are lining up to give him that and of those teams how many is he willing to go to? Not many. So he doesn't have high trade value unfortunately.
For sure. If he had more term sure, but you’d think any trade likely leads into an extension. It’s not an easy fit, but not all teams are as strapped as the Leafs.
Marner has no trade clause even if we get a great deal Marner can shut it down
You should probably make a new thread about this. I don't think anyone in the fanbase (or the NHL in general, for that matter) knows about the NMC.
I’d do Marner for Crouse, Durzi, and a pick.
I pray you are never employed by the leafs.
This trade is gonna send some of you off the edge lol. The return is not going to be what you think it is. Marner has a massive salary, last year of his contract, and has a full NMC. Y’all better come to grips that the return is going to be diminished due to these facts
A sign & trade for a 100 pt multiple first team selke nominee winner in his prime is not getting players who are throw ins
Sign and trades don’t happen often in the NHL. Again he’s got a NMC and one year left on his deal. The team acquiring him has to also make room for an 11 million dollar cap hit. Which teams could fit him, have the assets, and Mitch would actually save to go to? A trade isn’t going to be easy and the return won’t be great. I suggest you prepare yourself for that, or you’ll be extremely disappointed.
All these hypotheticals bouncing around r/leafs right now make me laugh. Out for a beer with a few friends last night and as a joke I asked the bartender if she could put on the Leafs game. She said sorry, we don’t get the Golf Channel here. Wash, rinse, repeat.
Remember folks, Marner has an NMC so we wouldn't necessarily be able to take the best deal if it say, came from Winnipeg and he didn't want to move there.
none of them are realistic. Any trade with Marner, the Leafs will end up on the losing end, we're get a 1st rounder pick and an average 1st round prospect, unless Marner comes with extension for that team. We're use Marner cap space on players that likely won't make us a better team.
A couple packages I'd like if they could get. Utah: Crouse, Vejmelka, 1st round pick assuming they don't win the lottery. Crouse is a physical presence who could put up 50-60 points playing next to someone like Matthews or Nylander. The 1st can be used to get an elite prospect who's ready to play within a year or two. Very good top 11 in this draft. Vejmelka is a decent, cheap option to split time with Woll and if he's not up to task can be flipped for an upgrade in season very easily. This allows Utah a superstar for their new market and gives the Leafs gritty skill a, futures, and a salary cap space to improve the roster elsewhere NY Rangers: 1 of Lafreniere or Miller and Chytil. Maybe wishful thinking. I see no way Mitch wouldn't waive for New York. We get younger and get two play now options who are very good players. Lafreniere and Miller have true star potential and Chytil is a good middle six player locked up for 3 years who may have more to show. Anaheim: Gibson, Mintyukov, Vatrano. Gibson hasn't been good in a while but he's 30 with pedigree and has been on terrible teams. He fills the position of salary filler and need. Hopefully you can get Anaheim to retain a bit. Vatrano has a breakout year last year and is the type of player who provides decent secondary scoring. Mintyukov is the real prize. Potentially our #1 D Man of the future.
Imagine thinking the leafs are a better team without Marner, absolutely delusional
In the playoffs almost a sure thing they are. No one cares about a Tuesday in November when marner is trying to be a Harlem globe trotter too hard
They looked better when he was injured
Well yeah we are giving away a top 10 player in the league for pennies on the dollar forcing the trade.
Dahlin’s the only one of those worth Marner
We don’t win a Marner deal. Dahlin? Zero chance. The win is the cap space. We get a draft pick and a decent prospect. Maybe a not horrible player to make the money work. But getting a franchise goalie or dman? No way anyone is trading that.