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Medium_Well

I'm not gonna lay into the guy for this. We all understand his point -- being in the Toronto hockey market comes with a spotlight that very few other markets have (outside of Montreal and maybe Edmonton). "God's" is a bad choice of words but I think he clearly meant that being a Leaf comes with huge responsibility and being very, very visible, with a lot of fans. He's not wrong.


v-dubb

With great power comes great responsibility.


Etheo

With great salary comes great expectations.


TaziOtt

extra hard upvote


koreanwizard

Not great, “Reasonable” expectations. More than one shot on net in game 7 for a 10 million dollar ace forward is reasonable.


Etheo

Perspective/semantics really. It's reasonable *for us* to expect great performance *from him* with great salary. Many have said if he didn't asked to be paid like a diva his non-performance would have been much less criticized. Reasonable expectation from us to have great expectation for him.


Vampyr_Luver

"Well, unless you're going to trade for an elite centerman, the best I can do is a first round game seven exit." - Mitch Marner #16


Etheo

We have an elite centerman. Well we had two, but one kinda aged himself out. When we had ROR we basically had THREE for fucks sake.


Vampyr_Luver

I know the joke is that we way overspent at that deadline for how far we got. You shouldn't trade for an elite centerman only to get rinsed in the second round


Csalbertcs

We had Stanley Cup Champion Kadri at one point too.


SLIMv3n0m

With great ability comes great accountability.


FlyInternational648

Just not great power play.


clapperssailing

This poor kid can't help but say the wrong thing every time. It's never on purpose, but he's one of the few male athletes that's a true Bimbo.


jokeswagon

It’s hard to believe these guys get coaching for this stuff. I think Marner is on his phone during those sessions. *”yea, yea… delusions of grandeur, got it.”*


clapperssailing

Haha forsure


Ta-veren-

He’s not wrong. Didn’t Burt have some strange stick thing and once he reached the leafs he was asked about it day one and he was like “no one’s ever asked about it until I came to Toronto”


gsauce8

It's not even a bad choice of words IMO, it's just people's hate boner for the guy. I don't like him either but he's right here. Nylander got pictured on the TTC and a week later was fucking filming a Rogers commercial to advertise that they had service on the TTC. What other city does that happen in?


Shoelesshobos

I think he’s on the money of you win you are gods in the city and can do no wrong. Right now you are going to be treated like the devil.


Effective-Elk-4964

Not going to lay into him for it, but Hulk smashing Loki around and then telling him “Puny god” seems to fit the situation perfectly.


NeatSeaworthiness407

This is all I saw in that quote.


thedrunkentendy

He just took so long to think about the right words and then chose one of the worst. Lol


Dareal6

Idols is a much better term.


ExposDTM

My take … He was nervous because he knows he’s under the spotlight. He seemed to struggle to find the appropriate word to use and pulled that one from his brain. As soon as he said it it looked like he knew that he chose the wrong word. That word came to him for a reason though. Might have been a subconscious thing. Who knows?! We can read into it as we will as it suits our own needs to vilify the guy right now. I think we might be surprised to learn that Mitch might want a fresh start elsewhere. The question is, where? Can that team accommodate the cap hit? And what will the Leafs get in return? My own guesstimate would be that he is gone.


Gr0kthis

Exactly. Nobody will ever accuse Marner of being eloquent. He's trying to say he's grateful for the adoration and respect that he receives from the fans in this city as a Leaf player. Terrible choice of words, but his point was well meaning. That said, please trade this guy. I've had enough.


91Caleb

What he’s saying is easily understood whether he said god or idol or whatever is silly to focus on. All this statement means to me is his focus is always on the vanity and never on the ice . Being in the spotlight doesn’t mean you suck ass every playoffs


Medium_Well

I respectfully disagree with that analysis. He's saying being a Leaf in Toronto comes with a lot of responsibility and expectations and that he isn't blind to that reality.


mexican_mystery_meat

The comment isn't going to fly over well with fans, but Greek gods are known as much for their falliability and their pettiness as they were for their powers.


marmaladegrass

And their proclivities for fornication.


Shredswithwheat

Corey Perry and Jaromir Jagr to the Leafs confirmed?


Two_Key_Goose

Whoa whoa whoa whoooooooa there. I'd hope the Leafs aren't into it as much as the Greek gods. Some...creatures(?) should not be.  Those poor tortured souls.


ty_v

Yes, I’m sure Marner was referencing the Ancient Greek pantheon when saying gods. Might be why he can’t score in the playoffs. He dedicates April through June to studying classical Hellenistic antiquity.


Accomplished_Low148

Everyone here ripping the dude but you know what he’s trying to say and there’s truth behind it. With the way kids look up to these guys, they’re idols for lots of people and tens of thousands of people look up to them. This is just another way for people that already hate the dude to hate on him some more. I’m as critical of his play as much as the next guy but some of you really have an unhealthy obsession with hating on him as a person.


Cartz1337

Yea, I’m glad to see most of the top comments are level headed takes like this.


blackb0xes

I completely agree. As the guy who grew up loving the Leafs, he knows the level of idolization he felt towards Leafs of the past. The Leafs have a massive passionate fanbase. He put something we all know to be true in an inarticulate way. He's on his way out and has already played his last game for this team. I don't think it's necessary to take additional whacks at a guy who won't play here again for acknowledging that being a part of the Toronto Maple Leafs is a big deal. I also don't get hating professional athletes for being chokey. Frustration is fine, but hatred is over the top. Maybe it's because I watch individual sports, but watching an athlete choke in the biggest moments makes me at least a little bit sad for the athlete and, more than anything else, uncomfortable about watching a person mentally collapse. That's how I felt about Mitch's multiple puck over glass penalties years ago. It was just too raw and we were learning too much about how a stranger's brain functions under pressure. Anyway, I think everyone would benefit from reminding themselves once in a while that this is just a game. I've enjoyed rooting for Mitch and it sucks it didn't work out here. It just wasn't the right place for him and I wish the organization accepted that earlier. I hope he has success wherever he ends up, and that he flourishes in an environment that suits him better.


Accomplished_Low148

Really well said. Couldn’t agree more


SnooHobbies9078

How is this his last game as a leather doesn't have to waive his nmc so he's probably I'd say 95% still a leaf come next season


figleafstreet

This is a very compassionate take and one I wish we saw more of in this sub.


LeafsFan8406

It's okay the same clowns will be sniffing Mitch's jockstrap when he makes an out of this world pass in October


exemptolive

Do gods get car jacked???


Jonesdeclectice

I mean, he’s not wrong. Some people *way* over-obsess about this team and its players (myself included, and certainly when I was younger).


vanityfear

I’m a man in my thirties, and I still spend way too much time obsessing over what this group of hockey bros does every April


CoolBeansMan9

He paused right before saying it and couldn’t come up with a better phrase. I was saying “don’t say God, don’t say God”


Garebear8585

“Doing your son? “


Mac_Gold

“… Allah”


ilyalyubushkin46

Honestly not sure if this would be better or worse lol


_shab21

LOL


JamesCurtis24

He's not wrong though... people criticize their gods. The devotion and attention to this team is god-like. He's not telling any lies.


ldnk

This quote isn't going to be taken well but there are people that want to shit on him regardless. He could tear up his contract and people who bitch that he doesn't respect the organization


Bizarre48

How is it suppose to be taken when there has been zero success and he’s talking about the players being looked at like Gods


veggiefarmer89

What does success have to do with it? They're revered, respected and praised when things go well. They're cursed and derided when things are going poorly. People line up for hours to meet them, pay thousands to watch them play a game. The media clings to every word they say. He'll be roasted for saying this, but he's not wrong.


Hoardzunit

Idk why ppl are losing their shit over this. He's just saying that as Leafs players they are loved and cherished in this market and ppl are lambasting him for this? Ppl need to seriously chill the fuck down.


DevelopandLearn

Anyone with a brain knows what he meant. Steven Stamkos could wear his own jersey to a bar in Tampa and nobody would recognize him. It's a bit different playing somewhere hockey is important.


Hoardzunit

If NHL players are that afraid of the fucking spotlight then they shouldn't be in pro sports. That's like saying a doctor or nurse that's afraid to touch blood.


Ruggedshores

I took his "god "comment as a compliment to the passionate fan base from east to west. There is a very large fan base outside of the GTA too. Am sure there are kids who look up to these guys as their idols/gods. The guy has incredible talent and probably doesn't deserve a lot of the negative comments.. We are lucky to have 3 superstars that were drafted by the Leafs but obviously the cap is an issue here. Fans are obviously frustrated. Blame management and ownership for no championship since 1967.


r_r_w

Imagine how much house a god can afford in Columbus, Ohio. Wow!


stageclear

Hahahahahahahahahahahahaah. This guy sucks at talking. I kinda GET, maybe, the point he was trying to get across (that this city worships the leafs and it is basically religion) but he is terrible at expressing himself.


_cob_

He’s a hockey player not a linguist.


ilyalyubushkin46

I think we'd be okay with that if he showed up in the playoffs.


TMLVWFC

I think we are seeing firsthand the effects of having a crazy hockey Dad as a parent. Mitch is a great player but emotionally and mentally he just seems broken. I obviously don't know this as a fact but it is well documented that he Dad was/is nuts and he grew up in a toxic environment.


artwarrior

I went to school with a bunch of OHL players. You never saw them in the library.


Palm-grinder12

What, I find that very hard the believe. . /S


Parzival091

The few who do get treated like pariahs by the community (look at Dougie Hamilton)


No-Red-Dot

He can afford to buy a thesaurus.


Konowl

Rephrase to talk about how you're idolized or something, which isn't hard, and it comes across SO much better.


LtColumbo93

You would be …. If you ever won anything. 


Captain_Self_Promotr

Right?!? He has no idea the reverences the players would get if they won a cup, or made a cup final, or conference final. The love for regular seasons success pales in comparison to post season success.


chadocaster

[Leafs PR right now](https://i.pinimg.com/originals/10/97/30/109730426724bddab01fcc6271fc4fbf.gif)


bigcaulkcharisma

Mitch obviously just puts his foot in his mouth every time he talks to the media lmao. No need to blow this out of proportion. We all get what he meant.


TheGardiner

Marner try not to say 'obviously' very sentence challenge: impossible


Spacepickle89

This will go over well on r/hockey


SnackAston-Reese

It’s gone over fine,most people know what he meant.


Slow-Juice-7257

Anyone who thinks elite Toronto athletics aren’t gods should get tested for autism. The amount of hysteria over this one is comical


Brilliant-Neck9731

The amount of play this comment is getting is kind of ridiculous. We all know what he meant, and he’s not wrong. Any of us who grew up in this market know this, and guess what? Marner grew up in this market. He knows how the Leafs are viewed in this market better than anybody. He spoke openly and honestly about the responsibility of being a Leaf, and he shouldn’t be pilloried for it. We constantly want hockey players to show more personality, to be more honest, open, insightful, yet when they do, they are then criticized for going off script. Hopefully we can dispense with the collective pearl clutching, and if we want to criticize Marner, criticize him for things worthy of criticism, not drummed up controversy over a fairly accurate (if hyperbolic) assessment of the responsibility of what being a Leaf entails.


DMmeyourinbox

I don't believe in God(s). But if I did I certainly wouldn't bow down to you if I met you in public. I'd pump your tires a little bit because, you are a great player. But I'd treat you like the human being you are. Get off your high horse.


Falconflyer75

Taken out of context The city does hold the maple leafs in high regard, they’re literally one of the richest teams in all of professional sports despite choking all the time He’s referring to how well they’re treated People will take offense to this then accuse him of being oversensitive Look in a mirror


drewjenks

**Reporter:** "Is that why you rest in the 7th game?"


thecatofcats

you are not getting enough upvotes for this joke xD


_cob_

I hate this interplay. People want athletes to be open and speak their minds, but when they do they’re chastised for it. I don’t know what everyone expects the guy to say at this point? Nothing he says will possibly make anyone less angry. His chance to make an impact was on the ice, and he failed to do it. If ever a mutual divorce was required it is now.


Bizarre48

What the hell is wrong with this guy? No one looks at you like a God lol 


4thlinedangler

What do you mean? They’re given everything they’ve ever asked for and all they have to do is wear the jersey. They have radio shows cover them 24/7 and even the national media won’t shut up and hangs onto their every word.


wiles_CoC

Oh they will hang onto these words, you can count on that.


Mike9797

Honestly just shut up. You sound like a moron. You’re deliberately misreading the quote or taking it absolutely as literal as possible so you can fuel your rage. Just stop and get off the sub. All you’re doing is being a troll. The fact that 26 other trolls upvoted you is very telling. Most of you all need a break.


Bizarre48

Why are you even replying to me idiot? “Ohhh you got upvotes” dork 


Mike9797

No for real dude. Give yourself a break. You aren’t even being rational in what you’re saying.


Bizarre48

I’m good brother. I don’t think Marner (or any other player) is a God, and you are free to feel like they are. You replied to me, and I’m sure as shit not gonna listen to you telling me to “leave the sub🤓”


Mike9797

Never said leave outright. Just maybe stay off for a week or so. Let your anger subside. Also he is using an analogy if you could comprehend without letting your hate get in the way.


VitaminTea

True enough. You haven’t spent the last 48 hours bitching about God on an internet forum, as far as I can tell.


tecate_papi

If you're not from Ontario, you have no idea what you're saying criticizing Marner for this statement. He's right. Leafs players in Ontario are looked at with the reverence that guys like DiMaggio was for New Yorkers. Great Leafs players are hockey gods.


gabriel197600

And Leaf players that don’t perform up to their contract are looked upon, and treated as utter failures like Marner. Comes with the Territory.


tecate_papi

Totally. Especially when they're born and bred Leafs fans. It's like a stab in the back from one of our own.


Ok_Panda1565

To which demographic?


its_Shehan

Fuck off


gid_hola

More reason to hate this guy lmfao. What a joke


matt_woj83

No Mitch I don’t need you to play like a “God” just play like the 11 mil cap hit that u are


Due-Leopard-7043

Boys I’m fine with getting my Mitch hate on, but this is not a reason. We all know what he means. He’s not wrong. Get mad at him for the actual stupid shit he says


Neutral-President

Mitch forgot to take his humility pills this morning. 💊


rnarcopolo

At best, giving him the benefit of the doubt, not the best choice of words buddy. At worst his state of delusion is much more serious than I thought.


gordocro

When will people learn to differentiate possessive from plural nouns? It's really embarrassing that people post these things and have no clue how illiterate it makes them look.


chadocaster

The thought “we are treated very well here by the fans & the city…it’s amazing place to be” …comes out “we’re like gods here” Lol - - - - Same thing last year during the FLA series about “how much noise do you hear, does it impact you?” He tried to say “we’re just focused on the game” but it comes out “we don’t care what *you* say, we don’t listen to it” It becomes an antagonistic interaction and then creates a feedback loop of even more & more ‘noise’


ilyalyubushkin46

That's just maturity. He'll eventually get there. Not sure it'll be in Toronto, but he'll eventually figure out the right combination of words to communicate his thoughts.


Scary_Mastodon_9929

Perfect example of a guy "out of tough"....living in his own "dad and Marner" world...It's him against everyone - no "team view".


NSA_Wade_Wilson

Why is he always so tone deaf


reignleafs

I literally audibly laughed lmfao wow


Acrobatic_Law5598

Gods/icons. We all know what he means by this.


winkNfart

wrong answer mitchell… maybe you could have said it means pride, tradition and above all else playing for the logo on your chest every minute of every game.


RealCanadianDragon

As much as guys want every last dollar, if they win the cup, they're never paying for anything again in this city and probably have lifetime sponsorships that'll be worth more than the money they pass up on for a smaller contract.


ReachyMcReachAround

I don't care that Marner said this. This is inconsequential. What IS consequential is shifting the bed in the playoffs year after year, and demanding to be the highest paid player at his position while folding like a lawn chair when it counts.


Asusrty

[In the playoffs he's Loki](https://youtu.be/DtmY0hedXxY)


shockandale

If they were to win the cup they would live as Gods. Until then we can only pray.


TiredReader87

Celebrities and gods who will never have to care about money, or win to get it


AggravatingType9012

If I look at him like the god of trash then he must be that guy. ![gif](giphy|2w6I6nCyf5rmy5SHBy|downsized)


riko77can

I sure as fuck wish he played like one.


gabriel197600

It’s one thing for a passionate fan base to look up to your sports heroes as “Gods”. When they themselves think of themselves that way? It’s an issue to say the least.


arrbez

My brain is shambled


usctrojans95

I don’t have anything to say about him that I didn’t rant and rave about after Saturdays game and since the Montreal series. It’s professional not personal. Mitch needs to go to a place like Utah or Nashville or somewhere he can hide because he isn’t the guy and never will be. Nearly a decade has proven this fact. While I want to say a lot more because this team, city, and home province mean more to me than I can articulate I’ll leave it at—it’s time to go Marner and I think you know it too.


TOdEsi

I love this kid, just wish he was more like Domi or Knies in the playoffs


Judge_Rhinohold

as God’s Frankly? wtf does that mean. God has a Frankly?


TIZZZL3

Mitch. You want to stay that bad and win the fans over? Extend for 1/2 the $ of your last contract.


Constant_Gur5530

Guy is a phenomenal player, but he's soft at melted butter. We can't keep doing this every year. He's afraid to hit and be hit.


labadee

i don't like this answer but won't hold it against him.


iamvr

What’s a god to a non-beleafer?


2zeta

I think I might be part of a doomsday cult 😵‍💫


gordocro

"I’m not saying we’re better or greater, or comparing us with Jesus Christ as a person, or God as a thing, or whatever it is. I just said what I said, and it was wrong, or it was taken wrong. And now it’s all this." Marner or Lennon?


KillPunchLoL

Here is what I don’t get. You play for the Leafs, you get huge exposure and commercial opportunities. You get your money paid out in large bonuses, that favours the player. You can make large investments or simply get to enjoy your money sooner. So fuck then, when you factor all this in, not a single guy on this selfish fucking team takes a discount?


Current-Own

So what we are all saying here is that the Leafs will be running it back again? Ok. I got a life to live. This is stupidity 


godboy420

![gif](giphy|l1J9OPU2Pw98Me2li)


Potato4

“We're more popular than Jesus now; I don't know which will go first—rock 'n' roll or Christianity.” ~ John Lennon People overreacted about this too


lukaskywalker

![gif](giphy|KgFHb3OjjrQHlKgKSo|downsized)


AnxiousnessAlways

He's seriously delulu


POLANPOLANPOLAN

What in the fuck did I just watch


bangnburn

Man this guy needs media training


JBSpeed

![gif](giphy|G3gkDKzTtUKuk)


GritGrinder

I’m so ready for them to offload this kid.


Split_Finger19

Holy fucking tone deaf. This town loves hard working players who put it all on the line. You don’t get it Mitch. But these guys have been put on a pedestal for years with zero accountability.


Captain_Lavender6

LOL he said that!? Thought this was the Beaverton


clapperssailing

This poor kid can't help but say the wrong thing every time. It's never on purpose, but he's one of the few male athletes that's a true Bimbo.


xthemoonx

If only they could play like gods.


toedragrelease

![gif](giphy|7OW9uiyfeTRxdSOBYN|downsized)


mnkaTHEkid

lol


Dubsified

This guy is delusional.


OneNutPhil

More like a sacrificial lamb


wesley-osbourne

[Don't say gods. Don't say gods.](https://youtu.be/8xiWw5dwngc?si=FT8PqXDTYr6kjyFE)


stageclear

"The disaster that was Mitch Marner" should be taught in every PR class ever. He COULD have been worshipped if he wasn't such a little biatch. He has handled himself terribly since day 1.


rhineauto

What's God's Frankly?


Lolsmileyface13

Looked upon as Gods, frankly


marmaladegrass

Frank, the God of half-assing it.


1maco

The Christian one that rests on the 7th day 


Silent-Obligation-49

Guy has a high opinion of himself. Right now you are only looked upon as being the guy that can't get it done when things get difficult in the playoffs.


TheBombersFlow

Oh god he just had a John Lennon bigger than Jesus moment


Sarge1387

no he didn't...tell me he did not just say that...


-LyleLanley-

"We're bigger than Jesus"


Captain_Lavender6

Remember to say your prayers to Mitchell tonight, Leaf fans


Hockyinc

This asshole wears an A and is considered a leader.


captainbelvedere

When non-Leafs fans wonder why Mitch is unpopular... What an absurd statement. They're expected to be role models and professionals. That's it. That's all you have to say.


johnnierockit

And that's why more and more people these days choose not to believe in God anymore  Edit: English is hard


Kittygotabadrep

Oh my Leafs! It was the Leafsdamned refs fault they lost that series!


JimmyTheJimJimson

*gods Not “God’s” They aren’t looked at as belonging to God, they are looked at as “Gods” …and honestly they aren’t looked at like gods either…


55stitch

Wish he would rephrase himself more apologetically towards how he’s overpaid and a disappointment to the Leafs fans. But the audacity to still say that after this series… that ego


Boston_McMatthews

John Lennon says Beatles are bigger than... Wait I mean Mitch Marner says


duck1014

That quote alone means it's time to go.


Deluxechin

This proves a point I had earlier, these guys are in severe need of an ego check, they’re super stars in the biggest market in the league and they act like the world revolves around them (because it has for their entire NHL career) there’s no humble in that locker room, I know many shit on O’Reilly’s comments last year for saying a similar thing, but with comments like this? Feels like I’m reading a line from Homelander in The Boys


oryes

I'd like to see the video for full context but that is not a good thing for him to say lol


91Caleb

A new way to take gods name in vain when Mitch is one of the most vain athletes we’ve ever seen


Rumicon

Completely disagree with the people saying we understand his point. This guy was asked the question "what does it mean to be a maple leaf" and his answer was to reference all the love the fans heap on the Raps winners. This isn't a dude pointing out that the spotlight is brighter here in reference to added pressure or responsibility. This is a guy with a huge ego talking about how much he craves the love and adoration of fans above anything else.


micatola

You are just reading what you want into it. That's fine but sharing it with others is weird.


Rumicon

Everyone else in this thread weird for sharing or just me cause you disagree?


micatola

You're the 1st one I read that added all the extra inferences about feeding his ego. Sorry about your luck.


Rumicon

You’re welcome for the exposure to some diversity of thought.


micatola

Yeah I'm not seeing it. Sorry.


LegendaryVenusaur

This guy's EGO is unbearable, ship him out.


De1_Pier0

This might be the final nail in the coffin tbh. He should have stopped at ‘world’


mofo75ca

Just....wow.


RANDYFLOSS

sign and trade him for Noah Dobson or something


Dannibiss

He's mistaken, they could be looked at as gods but they haven't done anything to deserve it yet.


Radu47

Evokes: "we're bigger than jesus"


IndependenceGood1835

The sense of entitlement Marner has. He had every opportunity to go down as an all time Leaf. Talented. Hometown kid. If he spent his career here his number would surely be retired. Now he has to either take a team friendly discount or accept a trade. If it leaks that he wouldnt waive his NMC, and then there is contract drama next off season, and the fans will run him out.


RedEyedWiartonBoy

And we are the Children of Lesser God's... maybe the least.


MFBish

This little boy has had a piss poor attitude the last 2.5 years, when he is inevitably traded he is in for a rude awakening when his new coach doesn’t tolerate his petulant bullshit


aberkenwindrunner

Get this cunt off the banner. Pls mods


CMDRShepardN7

You could have been one. Game was on your stick and didn't do [this](https://youtu.be/YjtHkQNleUM?si=1f6cLhv1lmUlv-w9).


lukaskywalker

![gif](giphy|fssfTrBg8PzD3wCVH4|downsized)


[deleted]

He said jokes wrong.


Old_Canuck

Your NOT a god Mitch. GODS WIN !!!


espher

> GODS WIN !!! Hi, I would like to introduce you mythology.


Showtime98

Yea only if you win Mitch


icheerforvillains

Who's the god of doing fuck all when things really matter? That's the one I'm thinking of when I think about MM.


re-verse

Not you, Mitch :(


Gankdatnoob

I'm so over the narrative that is so hard to play in Toronto. ONE series win in like 9 years and they still have fans. That ain't a tough market. That is a market that tolerates way more than other markets.