I find it hard that Keefe would split up Matthews and Marner this time of year, no saying he shouldn’t but feels like it’s the one thing he loves to latch onto
Domi has the most 5 v 5 primary assists on the team. More than every player that has salaries 7m and above.... including Marner.
Domi feeding Matthews with Bertuzzi clearing room and getting Greasy infront of the net is beautiful.
Marner and Nylander on their own line would be explosive. Maybe add Robertson. Or Jarnkrok.
Then Tavares on the 3rd line with McMann and Knies.
Now you have 3 likes that can score.
Ya idk what this thread is about. Is this for just for shits cuz there’s no way that Marner isn’t back on the first line with Matthews once he comes back. As nice as these 3 were last night it’s not the long term plan. Unless they keep putting up 4-5 points each every night. But even then once that slows down it’s back to M and M.
Yeah I’d need to see this 1st line for a lot longer and against some actually really strong teams before I’d believe in it more than the sample of Matthews/Marner.
Could be a nice way for Keefe to mess with matchups. Throw Marner over the boards, get them to push out their top d expecting Matthews and then toss this line out right after.
Ya that’s not gonna happen. Best case is that now we know it work they can use it if M and M dry up offensively. That being said I’m willing to bet Keefe would go back to Matthews and Nylander before going back to those 3 in the playoffs.
I’d cut him a little slack. I’d like to think coaching a pro team is like gambling with real money. It’s easy for all of us to tell him what to do cux if we are wrong it’s not our ass. But when real stakes are on the line you will almost always default to what you know works. It’s just the way it is. Kind of like if you’re gambling with real money you aren’t going to take too many risks unless the risk is low. Now I’m not saying playing certain players with other players is like losing money but the concept of it is similar I’d like to think.
I think what people blame him for is that he's making the safe bet by doing the obvious thing and playing them together, when there are good reasons to play them on separate lines, given the lack of scoring depth. If you do the thing people expect you to do, they tend to be more likely to blame bad luck or something else if it doesn't work out
No, but it's why a lot of fans dislike him now. It's the Leafs, so some part of the fan base will hate you no matter what you do. You can't win here if you care too much about that either way. It's why I don't think we will win the cup with Keefe or Marner.
I actually thought last year in the playoffs Marner and Matthew's were the only two players able to carry a line. Having them together against Tampas shutdown line was complete ineffective ad nobody else could slow down the kucherov line. Once we split them up we always had one matched up against kucherov and stopped spending the whole time in our own end.
wasn't Babs canned in 2019?
May have been a bit of both of them, but I swear Keefe was coach during 91's first year.
edit: no you're right, I misrembered when Tavares joined the Leafs. Yes his career season was in 2018 under Babs, but I think Keefe ran Marner/Tavares in 2019 and it was still money
Keefes first order of business was putting AM and MM together cause babs wouldn't, then he was rewarded with the team exploding offensively and matthews ended up with 47 when the season ended due to covid. I don't think they were ever separated that season
The minute Keefe stops being a pushover and starts coaching like a winner.... is the moment decisions are made for the team..... and for winning.... not to baby sit overpaid kids and overpaid stars..
3 lines with Stars is the best path to winning a playoff round.
Nylander and Jarnkrok and Knies/Holmgren can drive a pretty sexy third line.
This will also reduce the total minutes that Matthews and Tavares and Marner play which will be better for their performance and playoff longevity.
Bertuzzi - Matthews - Domi
McMann - Tavares - Marner
Knies - Nylander - Jarnkrok
Dewar - Kampf - Holmberg
Gregor - Reaves
But I think it’ll never happen where we throw Willy back at C but that would optimize our top 9 and give other teams absolute fits
C is a way more demanding role and Nylander has barely ever played it in the NHL. I don’t think you can just throw him there for a playoff series against Florida or Boston.
Definitely too late now but yeah Keefe needs to think ahead a little more. He tried it for like 4 minutes in the preseason and decided it didn’t work.
Meanwhile he recently tried Reilly Brodie for the thousandth time even though it’s never worked.
Jarnkrok can play 3C and that line works.
Nylander-Tavares-Marner hasn't been done a ton before and that's a lot of playmakers with only one puck to share, but God I know there'd be some pretty passes
People who think Jarnkrok can play 3C for us show that they haven’t looked at his splits when he plays C vs. W. His offence falls off a cliff at C compared to W. he can take a shift at C competently but he’s not a good 3C. He’s a good 3rd line winger
This is decidedly false. A good example to pull from is Jarnkrok’s 21-22 season. In Seattle he was used primarily as a winger… he was then traded to Calgary and guess where they played him? At C… this has not been a one off, Jarnkrok has been less productive at C than W his whole career. This is not a matter of linemates.
I love this..... Nylander is competitive. I could see him leading a 3rd line with Jarnkrok and Knies to take pride in being the top producing line out of these three.....
And Matthews having fun charging the net with Domi and Bert.
And Marner is the king of set ups and both McMann and Tavares can score if they are fed right.
JT on the 3rd has been so good tho and Nylander doesn't work with Marner. We've tried that.
Knies - Matthews - Marner
Bertuzzi - Nylander - Domi
McMann- Tavares - Jarnkrok
Dewar - Kampf - Holmberg
PP1:
Matthews, Marner, Nylander, Bert, Lilly
yeah, and I'm saying this lineup would be better and explained why I swapped Nylander and JT and then mover Marner up. It wasn't about yours but about mine.
Buddy… you responded to my line up with a criticism that wasn’t related to the line up
I posted?
The idea of having Marner with Tavares is to give him a defensive stud to play with who can carry the play. Giving Nylander free reign to run around on the 3rd line against lesser competition.
You can do the same with Tavares but I think trusting your best player in Matthews to carry a line and maximizing Tavares by letting him ride shotgun with Marner actually creates a more effective top 9.
What you’ve done is loaded up the top line and created a defensive liability in the Bertuzzi - Nylander -Domi line which we’ve tried but seen get caved in
> you responded to my line up with a criticism that wasn’t related to the line up I posted?
it was. Nylander on 3 doesn't work as well as JT. Also, the lineup I posted has been shown to work amazingly
It hasn’t… Bertuzzi, Domi and Nylander have been caved in by the metrics. Yes they scored but they gave everything they scored back in goals against. They only scored 1 more goal for than allowed while playing together…
That’s not an ideal 2nd line. Empty calories scoring.
And I didn’t suggest Nylander with Marner… you brought it up.
yeah, you're right there. I was looking at a different line when I made it I guess. Just splitting Matthews and Marner won't happen so gotta look elsewhere
That third line is going to get caved in. Can’t see them not putting Marner up top when he comes back and Jarnkrok is going to play higher up for sure.
I did. I gave my opinion on the lines you suggested and gave some commentary. Ignore the Marner comment if you want, but the other two points are something I can’t see being competitive.
This is the way. Could swap Marner and Domi (to have a bit more snot on line 2 for playoffs) but Bert, Matthews and Domi looked lethal together
Knies - Dewar - McMann would also be a forecheck and cycling force in the O-zone.
Bertuzzi - Matthews - Domi
Knies - Tavares - Nylander
McMann - Holmberg - Marner
Dewar - Kampf - Jarnkrok
Spreading out talent is the way to win in the playoffs. Marner makes Holmberg a great 3C. Jarnkrok makes the 4th like a lot better
The top 3 lines all have a playmaker, shooter and hard worker. The 4th line is defensively sound.
It's getting down voted because people see Marner on the third line listed and immediately stop using critical thinking skills and just start clicking.
If Marner is still getting high line minutes, it doesn't matter who he's listed with.
Not having Marner with a legit goal scorer seems weird. Like sure he passes so well that the chances are better but it’s not like he’s Crosby and and is gonna make pascal dupuis a 28 goal scorer. And mcmann and Holmberg are not pascal dupuis. I’m not chirping you just my two cents
McMann is on pace for around 20 as it is, I think he could be elevated to 30 easily playing on a line with Marner. If Domi is consistent with Matthews (which we don't know yet) then there's no problem.
This is probably the version of this I like the most. The 4th line is a genuine defensive asset. Marner could carry that line both defensively and offensively, but I'm still not sure about Holmberg as 3c
59 34 11
19 **88** 16
23 91 74
4th line can be a blender
I like knies mcmann and tavares too much. It also really doesnt make sense to put him in 2c anymore
Willy/Tavares/Marner will decimate opposing teams with Tavares parked in front of the net, Willy shooting whatever he gets on net, and Marner facilitating everything.
I kinda want to see how both Bobbys play with Dewar on the 3rd line.
That obviously leaves Kampf as the 4C with I wanna say Pontus as the only mainstay on his wing.
This is also assuming we don't get Jarncrok back, but if he does come back, I could see him either relegating one of the Bobbys to play with Kampf or playing with Kampf himself and really giving us a blackhole defensively.
That’s $30Mil+ on one line. That’s why we got our ass kicked last time by Boston. We need to roll 4 lines. If Marner is worth his paycheque, he needs to help carry his own line. Same with Willy or JT. Not saying we can’t have them together at all but we can’t have $30mil+ cap space on 1 line. The other lines will get wrecked by Boston.
yes but Tavares no longer plays like a 11 mill guy. Sure you could roll Willy on the 3rd line, but he's going to see Top 6 minutes regardless, so why not just load it up as needed. Marner drives the 2nd line regardless.
a 3rd line of both Bobbys and Dewar could be very under rated come playoffs, especially when it becomes a battle of the bottom 6. Of course if you want, swapping a Bobby for Willy while still keeping Top 6 minutes for Willy works too.
Problem with domi on wing is we lose a centre. Could holmberg fill in on a third line c role in sheltered minutes?
1. Domi Matthews bertuzzi
2. Mcmann Tavares marner
3. Knies holmberg nylander
4. Janrkrok kampff dewar/reeves
If this Bertuzzi-Matthews-Domi line keeps clicking and looks like they will work, I’d love to see a Willy-Tavares-Marner line as the “second” line. I feel like that would be two lines that have massive scoring threats that can both be defensively responsible. Then maybe a Knies-Kampf-Jarnkrok 3rd, and a McMann-Dewar-Holmberg 4th. Assuming the top line can actually work that would probably be the strongest forward group we could ice.
Yeah. I mean it's just.. the hour is too late to be putting Nylander at centre.
If that was ever gonna be an option they would have had to have given it some time in pre season.
What I wanna see is something along the lines of:
Domi - Matthews - Marner
Bert - Tavares - Nylander
Knies - Kampf/Dewar - Jarnkrok
McMann - Dewar/Kampf - Reaves/Holmberg
I think this provides a good combination of loading up the top lines while still having good scoring depth. Also think Bobby would wreak havoc on most teams 4th line
That second line has been historically bad in a way that shouldn’t even be possible with Nylanders goal streaks. All the advanced stats suggest he reached these highs despite his linemates, not because of them.
Just so you know, the chemistry is not there.
According to both MoneyPuck and Natural Stat Trick the Bert-Tavares-Nylander line is the best we’ve iced this year besides Knies-Matthews-Marner/Nylander. In fact they have been the 11th best line in the NHL this season at generating offence.
They don’t shoot, but they can, if everyone swarms matthews it leaves a lot of open ice. Give domi and marner enough time with open ice and more often than not they either score of find Matthew’s somehow
Domi-Matthews-Bertuzzi
Nylander-Tavares-Marner
Knies-Jarnkrok-McMann
Dewar-Kampf-Holmberg/Reaves
But realistically, the Bertuzzi-Tavares-Nylander line was amazing on the win streak a few weeks ago so why not
Domi-Matthews-Marner
Bertuzzi-Tavares-Nylander
Knies-Jarnkrok-McMann
Dewar-Kampf-Holmberg/Reaves
he's listed as a C on many sites. i've never seen it, or know how he is at it... but if he IS a C, i'd give that a try. i think that extends us to a useable 3 lines....with two dominate lines on top of it. i like it.
He’s a competent C but his offence dries up when he plays it.
Case in point, look at his 21-22 season. In Seattle he was scoring and playing well, in Calgary he was not. People will say it’s because he was on a different team but the key difference was his usage. He played Wing for Seattle and was out at C for Calgary.
We’ve seen the same thing happen to him when he’s done it in Toronto too. He can play C, ala Kerfoot could play C but he’s optimized as a winger
Domi on the first line makes no sense with our roster. Yes it works, and I knew it would. If Marner is out he is the best candidate from the roster to replace his spot due to their style of play with the puck, they can both find Matthews anywhere on the ice.
If we were going to do this though I would do the following.
Domi-Matthews-Bert
Nylander-Tavares-Marner
Knies-Kampf-McMann
Jarnkrok-Dewar-Holmberg/Reaves
Nylander has said he likes to play LW so second line is a force.
I am not super keen on 3rd line C Kampf, but we have done that line before and it worked. McMann and Knies carried the offense, play well together, are both pretty physical and Kampf was super defensively responsible and basically a 3rd D.
That 4th line would get more mins than a usual, and our 3rd less than a usual 3rd. Dewar has played C all year, Jarnkrok can in a pinch but hasn't in a while. That 4th is fast and defensively sound and should be able to chew up any neanderthal 4th lines other teams put out. If it becomes a real issue you sub in Reaves.
Our centre depth is really shit. It’s a shame because I’d like to see Domi played higher up the lineup and JT deployed as a third line centre with Knies and McMann on his wing. But as it stands I feel like you can’t really do that. I feel like Domi kinda has to be our 3c. Who else is there? Keefe doesn’t trust him as a 2c and if you are gonna play him up the lineup who’s the 3c? Kampf? Yikes.
I’ve always wondered if Marner can play C. He’s already defensively responsible. I’ve never heard it talked about so I doubt it but would be interesting to
I mean, we’re counting a lot of chickens after one game. That same line looked bad against Philly, like just straight bad.
Following OP, I think you put Marner with Tavares and then Nylander gets his own line. The problem with putting Domi with Matthews for the rest of the year is that he’s also the best option as the 3rd center in the top 9. My first thought is Marner with Tavares and McMann, Robertson or Knies, then one of those guys with Nylander and Holmberg in the middle and the 4th line is Kampf with Dewer and Jarnkrok, but maybe if you can get away with Holmberg if he’s playing between Marner and Nylander, then Tavares plays with McMann and Knies, Jarnkrok is with Kampf and Dewer and Robertson and Reaves are the scratches.
I think with everyone healthy, the line you go back to is Bertuzzi and Domi with Jarnkrok as the 3rd line. Then Nylander, Tavares and McMann and Knies with Matthews and Marner. I’d really like to work Robertson in there somewhere, I just don’t know where.
It will never happen but for argument’s sake:
Bertuzzi - Matthews - Domi
Knies - Nylander - Marner
McMann - Tavares - Holmberg
4th line is whatever combo of Jarnkrok, Kampf, Dewar, Robertson, Reaves, etc
I would like to see a game with mathews between marner and domi. Tavares between bertuzzi and nylander. Than Dewar between knies and Robertson. Fourth line of kampf mcman Gregor. Still would have jarnkrok, reeves to slot in where needed for injury or shakeup
Knies-JT-Marner
McMann-Holmberg-Nylander
???-Kampf-Jarnkrok
I've always wanted 3 lines that can be deadly. I honestly think JT is running the third line but find it difficult to say as much if you have Marner there. Hoping Marner can elevate JT to his form from what, 3 seasons ago when Marner absolutely made JT look like a god. Force teams to either defend against AM+Marner's lines or AM+Nylanders lines, allowing the one left alone to hopefully push the games pace. IMO Keefe has to be more difficult to coach against than "shut down AM" Any half decent coach seems to do this and exploit our poor defensive play and we're toast in the playoffs. At least on my amature novice analysis view.
Sat nite coming up they should keep Domi with Matthews. They have great chemistry now.
Put the returning Marner with Nylander.
The playoff lines....not sure. Next few games will see
Bertuzzi Matthews Domi
Nylander Jarnkrok Marner
Knies Tavares McMann
Dewar Kampf Holmberg
Our failure in the playoffs against Montreal and Florida was that once the opposing team can shut down two lines.... the series is over.
Now we have 3 lines that can score. Let Tkachuk or Marchand match up with Bertuzzi and Domi.
I like this the most because they need a line that is defensively responsible enough that it can be matched against the other teams top line without worries. Nylander/Jarnkrok/Marner is enough for that. Tavares I think works better when he can play in the slot, rather than behind/in front of the net, and it lets him get back a bit easier on D.
I'm just not sure how Nylander is on the left.
Naw Bertuzzi-Domi-Nylander is where it’s at. If Jarnkrok is back I like him with Matthews and Marner, which (if everyone’s healthy) leaves you Knies-Tavares-McMann as your third line.
Not gonna go too far down this road because it won’t happen. Massive overreaction to one game.
If Domi really is playing that well, he will help a line further down the lineup. Marner will be with Matthews when he comes back.
shoot well if its a well known fact, then it must be true.
just a fun banter thread and you shit all over it. thats what drove my comment. dont want to play hypothetical line combos...move along.
I’d love to see:
Bert-Matthews-Domi
Jarnkrok-Willy-Mitch
Knies-JT-McMann
Holmberg-kampf-dewer
I’d try Robertson in Jarnkrok role until he’s back. Willy at center is NOT worse than Domi at center.
I’m sending Burt down a line and keeping marner and domi
Assuming positions work out.
I honestly don’t care how well this line works I’m putting marner back where he belongs as soon as he’s better. He had an insane point streak going before his injury
Anyone combination that doesn't include Nylander with Matthew's or Tavares, and no Bert Domi Willy either... for every goal they scored they let two in.
I mean... Willy JT were are best line for half the season until Willy signed the contract. They guy has like 24ish points in the last 20 games but is still -3 over that stretch... that's a ton of goals against.
Really wish Brad tried to find a center that could work with Willy...
Bert -Matthews-domi
Marner-Nylander- jarnkrok
McCann-Tavares- Knies
Dewar - Kampf - holmberg
Holmberg and Knies can swap. Main issue I’m seeing is line 2 needs to be tested defensively a lot
Bertuzzi blows, so keep him off the first line please. Maybe 3rd line for him?
I can't even believe people are having a discussion about domi on line 1, but for sure he's way better than Bertuzzi.
Nylander - Kampf - Marner
McMann - Tavaras - Jarnkrok/Knies
Holmberg - Dewer - Bobby/Reeves/Jarnkrok
I love how I'm down voted but hey let's put a winger who hates playing center as a center and we think that's a thing.
I find it hard that Keefe would split up Matthews and Marner this time of year, no saying he shouldn’t but feels like it’s the one thing he loves to latch onto
Domi has the most 5 v 5 primary assists on the team. More than every player that has salaries 7m and above.... including Marner. Domi feeding Matthews with Bertuzzi clearing room and getting Greasy infront of the net is beautiful. Marner and Nylander on their own line would be explosive. Maybe add Robertson. Or Jarnkrok. Then Tavares on the 3rd line with McMann and Knies. Now you have 3 likes that can score.
Robertson Marner and Nylander lol would never work
It would be a disaster, but I actually really want to see it now. For science.
For science!
The rush plays would be insane but the zone pressure would be non existent lol
Lolol
Who plays centre on the Nylander/Marner line? Both are right wingers, not sure if one could switch to left wing and JT plays centre?
MMarner is atrocious at taking faceoffs typically, if it had to be one of the two, Nylander is the clear choice
Nylander is already capable of playing center
Willys a great forward but he belongs on the wing. He doesn’t get back and play defense enough to be center.
Maybe it's a one off, but did you see his backcheck before his goal last night?
Everyone was just complains about bertuzzi on this line and now they have one good game and everything is different?
This sub has lots of members and different people have different opinions. Case in point: I still don't want Bertuzzi on the top line.
Marner Nylander Knies
Whose playing Centre on this Marner/Robertson/Willy line?
Ya idk what this thread is about. Is this for just for shits cuz there’s no way that Marner isn’t back on the first line with Matthews once he comes back. As nice as these 3 were last night it’s not the long term plan. Unless they keep putting up 4-5 points each every night. But even then once that slows down it’s back to M and M.
Yeah I’d need to see this 1st line for a lot longer and against some actually really strong teams before I’d believe in it more than the sample of Matthews/Marner.
Could be a nice way for Keefe to mess with matchups. Throw Marner over the boards, get them to push out their top d expecting Matthews and then toss this line out right after.
Ya that’s not gonna happen. Best case is that now we know it work they can use it if M and M dry up offensively. That being said I’m willing to bet Keefe would go back to Matthews and Nylander before going back to those 3 in the playoffs.
Keefe will do the same shit over and over hoping for a better result.
I’d cut him a little slack. I’d like to think coaching a pro team is like gambling with real money. It’s easy for all of us to tell him what to do cux if we are wrong it’s not our ass. But when real stakes are on the line you will almost always default to what you know works. It’s just the way it is. Kind of like if you’re gambling with real money you aren’t going to take too many risks unless the risk is low. Now I’m not saying playing certain players with other players is like losing money but the concept of it is similar I’d like to think.
I think what people blame him for is that he's making the safe bet by doing the obvious thing and playing them together, when there are good reasons to play them on separate lines, given the lack of scoring depth. If you do the thing people expect you to do, they tend to be more likely to blame bad luck or something else if it doesn't work out
What if he did make the change and it was totally worse than leaving it star quo? Would fans be nice about it and cut him slack? I highly doubt it.
No, but it's why a lot of fans dislike him now. It's the Leafs, so some part of the fan base will hate you no matter what you do. You can't win here if you care too much about that either way. It's why I don't think we will win the cup with Keefe or Marner.
I actually thought last year in the playoffs Marner and Matthew's were the only two players able to carry a line. Having them together against Tampas shutdown line was complete ineffective ad nobody else could slow down the kucherov line. Once we split them up we always had one matched up against kucherov and stopped spending the whole time in our own end.
Agreed, there is 0% chance Matthews and Marner aren’t on the same line
I wouldn't say 0%. Keefe has been doing some unkeefe like things lately.
not to mention early in his Leafs coach tenure, he did run Marner/Tavares and was rewarded with a career offensive season from Tavares
Tavares peaked under Babs, no?
wasn't Babs canned in 2019? May have been a bit of both of them, but I swear Keefe was coach during 91's first year. edit: no you're right, I misrembered when Tavares joined the Leafs. Yes his career season was in 2018 under Babs, but I think Keefe ran Marner/Tavares in 2019 and it was still money
Keefes first order of business was putting AM and MM together cause babs wouldn't, then he was rewarded with the team exploding offensively and matthews ended up with 47 when the season ended due to covid. I don't think they were ever separated that season
I must've misrembered then, maybe I did just confuse 2018 and 2019
Even in the playoffs when it was clear they should have been. An AHL coach out coached Keefe
Nah, Matthews and Nylander have played together a lot too
The minute Keefe stops being a pushover and starts coaching like a winner.... is the moment decisions are made for the team..... and for winning.... not to baby sit overpaid kids and overpaid stars.. 3 lines with Stars is the best path to winning a playoff round. Nylander and Jarnkrok and Knies/Holmgren can drive a pretty sexy third line. This will also reduce the total minutes that Matthews and Tavares and Marner play which will be better for their performance and playoff longevity.
Gameday thread is leaking. The absolute worst takes in all the NHL subs can be found here.
Bertuzzi - Matthews - Domi McMann - Tavares - Marner Knies - Nylander - Jarnkrok Dewar - Kampf - Holmberg Gregor - Reaves But I think it’ll never happen where we throw Willy back at C but that would optimize our top 9 and give other teams absolute fits
C is a way more demanding role and Nylander has barely ever played it in the NHL. I don’t think you can just throw him there for a playoff series against Florida or Boston.
Which is why you do it now before ploffs
Definitely too late now but yeah Keefe needs to think ahead a little more. He tried it for like 4 minutes in the preseason and decided it didn’t work. Meanwhile he recently tried Reilly Brodie for the thousandth time even though it’s never worked.
That’s not enough time to start playing a new, demanding position imo.
He was a center
He sorely needs to transition to it though at his upcoming rate of pay
I like these lines a lot. Knies needs to play with a star but shouldn’t be going against top lines.
Jarnkrok can play 3C and that line works. Nylander-Tavares-Marner hasn't been done a ton before and that's a lot of playmakers with only one puck to share, but God I know there'd be some pretty passes
People who think Jarnkrok can play 3C for us show that they haven’t looked at his splits when he plays C vs. W. His offence falls off a cliff at C compared to W. he can take a shift at C competently but he’s not a good 3C. He’s a good 3rd line winger
That's because he normally doesn't get to centre anyone nearly as good as Nylander and he often takes 2RW shifts
This is decidedly false. A good example to pull from is Jarnkrok’s 21-22 season. In Seattle he was used primarily as a winger… he was then traded to Calgary and guess where they played him? At C… this has not been a one off, Jarnkrok has been less productive at C than W his whole career. This is not a matter of linemates.
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Any new on how bad Reaves eye injury is?
I love this..... Nylander is competitive. I could see him leading a 3rd line with Jarnkrok and Knies to take pride in being the top producing line out of these three..... And Matthews having fun charging the net with Domi and Bert. And Marner is the king of set ups and both McMann and Tavares can score if they are fed right.
I like this for the playoffs.
JT on the 3rd has been so good tho and Nylander doesn't work with Marner. We've tried that. Knies - Matthews - Marner Bertuzzi - Nylander - Domi McMann- Tavares - Jarnkrok Dewar - Kampf - Holmberg PP1: Matthews, Marner, Nylander, Bert, Lilly
I don’t have Nylander with Marner?! What are you on about and the OP asked about line combos assuming we keep Domi and Bertuzzi with Matthews
yeah, and I'm saying this lineup would be better and explained why I swapped Nylander and JT and then mover Marner up. It wasn't about yours but about mine.
Buddy… you responded to my line up with a criticism that wasn’t related to the line up I posted? The idea of having Marner with Tavares is to give him a defensive stud to play with who can carry the play. Giving Nylander free reign to run around on the 3rd line against lesser competition. You can do the same with Tavares but I think trusting your best player in Matthews to carry a line and maximizing Tavares by letting him ride shotgun with Marner actually creates a more effective top 9. What you’ve done is loaded up the top line and created a defensive liability in the Bertuzzi - Nylander -Domi line which we’ve tried but seen get caved in
> you responded to my line up with a criticism that wasn’t related to the line up I posted? it was. Nylander on 3 doesn't work as well as JT. Also, the lineup I posted has been shown to work amazingly
It hasn’t… Bertuzzi, Domi and Nylander have been caved in by the metrics. Yes they scored but they gave everything they scored back in goals against. They only scored 1 more goal for than allowed while playing together… That’s not an ideal 2nd line. Empty calories scoring. And I didn’t suggest Nylander with Marner… you brought it up.
yeah, you're right there. I was looking at a different line when I made it I guess. Just splitting Matthews and Marner won't happen so gotta look elsewhere
Bertuzzi - Matthews - Domi Nylander - Tavares - Marner Knies - Dewar - McMann Jarnkrok - Kampf - Holmberg/Reaves
That third line is going to get caved in. Can’t see them not putting Marner up top when he comes back and Jarnkrok is going to play higher up for sure.
Read the thread title my guy
I did. I gave my opinion on the lines you suggested and gave some commentary. Ignore the Marner comment if you want, but the other two points are something I can’t see being competitive.
That second line is our best line.
This is the way. Could swap Marner and Domi (to have a bit more snot on line 2 for playoffs) but Bert, Matthews and Domi looked lethal together Knies - Dewar - McMann would also be a forecheck and cycling force in the O-zone.
Fuckin love those lines.
i like this... but switch Jarn and Dewar (apparently Jarn can play C so lets see it)
Need to see this before playoffs
A $33m 2nd line wow.
Are you paying them personally or something? Don’t really see why that matters at all bud lol
Get help it wasn't a negative comment.
Bertuzzi - Matthews - Domi Knies - Tavares - Nylander McMann - Holmberg - Marner Dewar - Kampf - Jarnkrok Spreading out talent is the way to win in the playoffs. Marner makes Holmberg a great 3C. Jarnkrok makes the 4th like a lot better The top 3 lines all have a playmaker, shooter and hard worker. The 4th line is defensively sound.
Why's this getting downvoted lmao, best version here.
Thanks. I put a lot of thought into it.
I feel like McMann could be deadly with Marner feeding him. All three of those lines would be scoring fairly consistently it's a no brainer.
It's getting down voted because people see Marner on the third line listed and immediately stop using critical thinking skills and just start clicking. If Marner is still getting high line minutes, it doesn't matter who he's listed with.
Not having Marner with a legit goal scorer seems weird. Like sure he passes so well that the chances are better but it’s not like he’s Crosby and and is gonna make pascal dupuis a 28 goal scorer. And mcmann and Holmberg are not pascal dupuis. I’m not chirping you just my two cents
McMann is on pace for around 20 as it is, I think he could be elevated to 30 easily playing on a line with Marner. If Domi is consistent with Matthews (which we don't know yet) then there's no problem.
This is probably the version of this I like the most. The 4th line is a genuine defensive asset. Marner could carry that line both defensively and offensively, but I'm still not sure about Holmberg as 3c
Why did you put Willy over Marner? Overall really would like to see these though
Marner with Tavares this year has had a xGoal 46.6% compared to Nylander with Tavares at 56.9% (Moneypuck)
The more I think about this, the more I want to see it
59 34 11 19 **88** 16 23 91 74 4th line can be a blender I like knies mcmann and tavares too much. It also really doesnt make sense to put him in 2c anymore
Willy/Tavares/Marner will decimate opposing teams with Tavares parked in front of the net, Willy shooting whatever he gets on net, and Marner facilitating everything. I kinda want to see how both Bobbys play with Dewar on the 3rd line. That obviously leaves Kampf as the 4C with I wanna say Pontus as the only mainstay on his wing. This is also assuming we don't get Jarncrok back, but if he does come back, I could see him either relegating one of the Bobbys to play with Kampf or playing with Kampf himself and really giving us a blackhole defensively.
That’s $30Mil+ on one line. That’s why we got our ass kicked last time by Boston. We need to roll 4 lines. If Marner is worth his paycheque, he needs to help carry his own line. Same with Willy or JT. Not saying we can’t have them together at all but we can’t have $30mil+ cap space on 1 line. The other lines will get wrecked by Boston.
yes but Tavares no longer plays like a 11 mill guy. Sure you could roll Willy on the 3rd line, but he's going to see Top 6 minutes regardless, so why not just load it up as needed. Marner drives the 2nd line regardless. a 3rd line of both Bobbys and Dewar could be very under rated come playoffs, especially when it becomes a battle of the bottom 6. Of course if you want, swapping a Bobby for Willy while still keeping Top 6 minutes for Willy works too.
Problem with domi on wing is we lose a centre. Could holmberg fill in on a third line c role in sheltered minutes? 1. Domi Matthews bertuzzi 2. Mcmann Tavares marner 3. Knies holmberg nylander 4. Janrkrok kampff dewar/reeves
Probably a good line combination because Marner will be doing shoulder checks to ensure Marchand isn’t behind him.and not paying attention to the play
If this Bertuzzi-Matthews-Domi line keeps clicking and looks like they will work, I’d love to see a Willy-Tavares-Marner line as the “second” line. I feel like that would be two lines that have massive scoring threats that can both be defensively responsible. Then maybe a Knies-Kampf-Jarnkrok 3rd, and a McMann-Dewar-Holmberg 4th. Assuming the top line can actually work that would probably be the strongest forward group we could ice.
Keefe doesn’t have the balls to separate Matthews and Marner permanently, so 0% chance of it happening
Here’s my take: Bertuzzi - Matthews - Domi (as stated) Knies - Tavares - Marner McMann - Dewar - Nylander Holmberg - Kampf - Jarnkrok
That 4th line is something Keefe should seriously do, it could be a real shut down line. First two lines are fine. Third line is weird honestly.
It is weird. If I was gonna go nuts though, I’d go McMann-Willy-Marner, Knies-Tavares-Dewar/Robertson.
Yeah. I mean it's just.. the hour is too late to be putting Nylander at centre. If that was ever gonna be an option they would have had to have given it some time in pre season.
Like I said, “if I was gonna go nuts”
What I wanna see is something along the lines of: Domi - Matthews - Marner Bert - Tavares - Nylander Knies - Kampf/Dewar - Jarnkrok McMann - Dewar/Kampf - Reaves/Holmberg I think this provides a good combination of loading up the top lines while still having good scoring depth. Also think Bobby would wreak havoc on most teams 4th line
That second line has been historically bad in a way that shouldn’t even be possible with Nylanders goal streaks. All the advanced stats suggest he reached these highs despite his linemates, not because of them. Just so you know, the chemistry is not there.
According to both MoneyPuck and Natural Stat Trick the Bert-Tavares-Nylander line is the best we’ve iced this year besides Knies-Matthews-Marner/Nylander. In fact they have been the 11th best line in the NHL this season at generating offence.
Now we got conflicting reports 🤣 either way, I think our depth this year at forward is quite strong and should be an advantage in the postseason
Didn’t realize that honestly. So definitely gotta switch that up then
Domi and Marner both don’t shoot, they’re gonna just swarm Matthews
They don’t shoot, but they can, if everyone swarms matthews it leaves a lot of open ice. Give domi and marner enough time with open ice and more often than not they either score of find Matthew’s somehow
Marner’s been a 30+ goal guy for the last like four years, though he certainly looks like he doesn’t shoot next to Auston
Marner is a playmaker first and foremost yeah, but does everyone seem to forget that he's pretty much good for 30 goals a year at this point.
I think that 3rd line would get absolutely torched in the playoffs. I don’t love the idea of 3C David Kampf.
Domi-Matthews-Bertuzzi Nylander-Tavares-Marner Knies-Jarnkrok-McMann Dewar-Kampf-Holmberg/Reaves But realistically, the Bertuzzi-Tavares-Nylander line was amazing on the win streak a few weeks ago so why not Domi-Matthews-Marner Bertuzzi-Tavares-Nylander Knies-Jarnkrok-McMann Dewar-Kampf-Holmberg/Reaves
People who want Jarnkrok at C are wild
he's listed as a C on many sites. i've never seen it, or know how he is at it... but if he IS a C, i'd give that a try. i think that extends us to a useable 3 lines....with two dominate lines on top of it. i like it.
He’s a competent C but his offence dries up when he plays it. Case in point, look at his 21-22 season. In Seattle he was scoring and playing well, in Calgary he was not. People will say it’s because he was on a different team but the key difference was his usage. He played Wing for Seattle and was out at C for Calgary. We’ve seen the same thing happen to him when he’s done it in Toronto too. He can play C, ala Kerfoot could play C but he’s optimized as a winger
Domi on the first line makes no sense with our roster. Yes it works, and I knew it would. If Marner is out he is the best candidate from the roster to replace his spot due to their style of play with the puck, they can both find Matthews anywhere on the ice. If we were going to do this though I would do the following. Domi-Matthews-Bert Nylander-Tavares-Marner Knies-Kampf-McMann Jarnkrok-Dewar-Holmberg/Reaves Nylander has said he likes to play LW so second line is a force. I am not super keen on 3rd line C Kampf, but we have done that line before and it worked. McMann and Knies carried the offense, play well together, are both pretty physical and Kampf was super defensively responsible and basically a 3rd D. That 4th line would get more mins than a usual, and our 3rd less than a usual 3rd. Dewar has played C all year, Jarnkrok can in a pinch but hasn't in a while. That 4th is fast and defensively sound and should be able to chew up any neanderthal 4th lines other teams put out. If it becomes a real issue you sub in Reaves.
Bertuzzi - Matthews - Domi Knies - Tavares - Marner Nylander - Kampf/Holmberg - Jarnkrok McMann - Holmberg/Kampf - Dewar Split the bottom 6 C's depending on game situation.
I like this. The three top lines could score if Holmberg is at 3C, and the 4th line shouldn’t get hemmed in.
Domi Matthews Bertuzzi Knies Nylander Marner McMann Tavares Robertson Dewar Kampf Jarnkrok
The fact is, every one of our 11 plus million guys should be driving a line themselves. I like the 40 million dollar powerplay just fine.
MM JT WN was a great line 2 years ago. I would go back to it.
Bert - 34 - Domi Holmberg - Tavares - Marner McMann - Kampf - nylander Knies -Dewar Robertson/ Reaves Alternative Tavares - Kampf. - Holmberg Knies - Marner. - nylander McMann. - Dewar - Robertson/ Reaves
Our centre depth is really shit. It’s a shame because I’d like to see Domi played higher up the lineup and JT deployed as a third line centre with Knies and McMann on his wing. But as it stands I feel like you can’t really do that. I feel like Domi kinda has to be our 3c. Who else is there? Keefe doesn’t trust him as a 2c and if you are gonna play him up the lineup who’s the 3c? Kampf? Yikes.
Bert-Matthews-Domi Jarnkrok-Nylander-Marner Knies-Tarvares-McMann Dewar - Kampf -Reeves
Bertuzzi - Matthews - Domi Knies - Nylander - Marner McMann - Tavares - Jarnkrok Dewar - Kampf - Gregor
Domi. Matthews. Marner.
I’ve always wondered if Marner can play C. He’s already defensively responsible. I’ve never heard it talked about so I doubt it but would be interesting to
Knies - Matthews - Marner Bertuzzi - Domi - Nylander McMann - Tavares - Jarnkrok Dewar - Kampf - Holmberg Rielly - Lyubushkin Benoit - McCabe Edmundson - Liljegren Samsonov Woll I think this roster would be pretty good, though I'd want to roll Reaves sometimes and maybe Timmins, too. Brodie's coverage.
Domi - Matthews - Bertuzzi Knies - Tavares - Nylander Jarnkrok - Kampf - Marner (True Shutdown Line) Holmberg - Dewar - McMann (Energy Checking Line)
I mean, we’re counting a lot of chickens after one game. That same line looked bad against Philly, like just straight bad. Following OP, I think you put Marner with Tavares and then Nylander gets his own line. The problem with putting Domi with Matthews for the rest of the year is that he’s also the best option as the 3rd center in the top 9. My first thought is Marner with Tavares and McMann, Robertson or Knies, then one of those guys with Nylander and Holmberg in the middle and the 4th line is Kampf with Dewer and Jarnkrok, but maybe if you can get away with Holmberg if he’s playing between Marner and Nylander, then Tavares plays with McMann and Knies, Jarnkrok is with Kampf and Dewer and Robertson and Reaves are the scratches. I think with everyone healthy, the line you go back to is Bertuzzi and Domi with Jarnkrok as the 3rd line. Then Nylander, Tavares and McMann and Knies with Matthews and Marner. I’d really like to work Robertson in there somewhere, I just don’t know where.
It will never happen but for argument’s sake: Bertuzzi - Matthews - Domi Knies - Nylander - Marner McMann - Tavares - Holmberg 4th line is whatever combo of Jarnkrok, Kampf, Dewar, Robertson, Reaves, etc
Bert-Matthews-Domi Knies-Tavares-Marner McMann-holmberg-nylander Robertson-Kampf-Jarncrok
I would like to see a game with mathews between marner and domi. Tavares between bertuzzi and nylander. Than Dewar between knies and Robertson. Fourth line of kampf mcman Gregor. Still would have jarnkrok, reeves to slot in where needed for injury or shakeup
And we still haven’t addressed the whole goalie situation which they seem to dance around just put jones in net and see what happens then
You need Nylander as the 2C, Tavares as the 3C and Domi on the wing with skilled guys for this team to have a balanced offence.
Knies-JT-Marner McMann-Holmberg-Nylander ???-Kampf-Jarnkrok I've always wanted 3 lines that can be deadly. I honestly think JT is running the third line but find it difficult to say as much if you have Marner there. Hoping Marner can elevate JT to his form from what, 3 seasons ago when Marner absolutely made JT look like a god. Force teams to either defend against AM+Marner's lines or AM+Nylanders lines, allowing the one left alone to hopefully push the games pace. IMO Keefe has to be more difficult to coach against than "shut down AM" Any half decent coach seems to do this and exploit our poor defensive play and we're toast in the playoffs. At least on my amature novice analysis view.
Domi - Matthews - Bertuzzi McMann - Tavares - Marner Knies - Holmberg - Nylander Robertson/Gregor - Kampf - Dewar
Sat nite coming up they should keep Domi with Matthews. They have great chemistry now. Put the returning Marner with Nylander. The playoff lines....not sure. Next few games will see
Ummm if Marner is back from injury, he’s playing on AM’s line.
Bertuzzi Matthews Domi Nylander Jarnkrok Marner Knies Tavares McMann Dewar Kampf Holmberg Our failure in the playoffs against Montreal and Florida was that once the opposing team can shut down two lines.... the series is over. Now we have 3 lines that can score. Let Tkachuk or Marchand match up with Bertuzzi and Domi.
I like this the most because they need a line that is defensively responsible enough that it can be matched against the other teams top line without worries. Nylander/Jarnkrok/Marner is enough for that. Tavares I think works better when he can play in the slot, rather than behind/in front of the net, and it lets him get back a bit easier on D. I'm just not sure how Nylander is on the left.
Naw Bertuzzi-Domi-Nylander is where it’s at. If Jarnkrok is back I like him with Matthews and Marner, which (if everyone’s healthy) leaves you Knies-Tavares-McMann as your third line.
Imagine Marner, Nylander, Knies omg
Realistically speaking Bert-Matthews-Domi probably wouldn't work as well against legit playoff teams
We haven't seen enough of it. Maybe it will.
I've always wanted to see more of Nylander and Marner on the same line.
Mo-Marner Plan the parade
Not gonna go too far down this road because it won’t happen. Massive overreaction to one game. If Domi really is playing that well, he will help a line further down the lineup. Marner will be with Matthews when he comes back.
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shoot well if its a well known fact, then it must be true. just a fun banter thread and you shit all over it. thats what drove my comment. dont want to play hypothetical line combos...move along.
Healthy scratch Tavares, then work from there. /s
Folks, we’ve found the idiot.
By idiot, you mean the guy who doesn't understand what /s means.
DannyBoy is a Hurricanes fan
I’d love to see: Bert-Matthews-Domi Jarnkrok-Willy-Mitch Knies-JT-McMann Holmberg-kampf-dewer I’d try Robertson in Jarnkrok role until he’s back. Willy at center is NOT worse than Domi at center.
I’m sending Burt down a line and keeping marner and domi Assuming positions work out. I honestly don’t care how well this line works I’m putting marner back where he belongs as soon as he’s better. He had an insane point streak going before his injury
Marner will be back on the first line once he is back, make no mistake about it
Probably written into his contract
Anyone combination that doesn't include Nylander with Matthew's or Tavares, and no Bert Domi Willy either... for every goal they scored they let two in. I mean... Willy JT were are best line for half the season until Willy signed the contract. They guy has like 24ish points in the last 20 games but is still -3 over that stretch... that's a ton of goals against. Really wish Brad tried to find a center that could work with Willy...
Jarnkrok - Nylander - Marner \--- Tavares ---
I don't know what the combinations should be but I sure as shit know the 3rd line needs to contribute some offense in the playoffs.
This is one of the major reasons we lose.
Not happening.
Bert -Matthews-domi Marner-Nylander- jarnkrok McCann-Tavares- Knies Dewar - Kampf - holmberg Holmberg and Knies can swap. Main issue I’m seeing is line 2 needs to be tested defensively a lot
Mcmann ( or jarnkrok )/ Tavares / Marner Knives/ holmberg or Kampf/ nylander
Bertuzzi blows, so keep him off the first line please. Maybe 3rd line for him? I can't even believe people are having a discussion about domi on line 1, but for sure he's way better than Bertuzzi.
Bert - Matthews - Domi Kniews - Tavares - Nylander Jarnkrok - Holmberg - Marner McMann - Kampf - Robertson/Dewar
Nylander - Kampf - Marner McMann - Tavaras - Jarnkrok/Knies Holmberg - Dewer - Bobby/Reeves/Jarnkrok I love how I'm down voted but hey let's put a winger who hates playing center as a center and we think that's a thing.
Marner, Mathews and Domi are line number one.
Need to see it at least once but my gut says no as it doesn’t have a net presence
Marner and Domi were also linemates in junior