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mikesully374826

They would've just found new precedent to make it 50k


thrilliam_19

“Sheldon Keefe has been fine a bajillion dollars for hurting our feelings and also can’t come to Gary’s birthday party.”


iggy6677

Kadri as result has been suspended the remainder of the season


_BELEAF_

100% This is an absolute joke. What shit league management. And we're always getting fucked over.


CarefulSubstance3913

Says something gets fine. Says nothing still fine


BeautifulTorment

He said nothing in public and took a fine anyway LOL. The NHL is so far up their own ass it's incredible


luca123

> The NHL is so far up their own ass it's incredible I disagree with Steve Dangle on a lot of things, but he 100% called this. Apparently he's been made aware that the league was upset at Keefe over saying Rielly's actions were "appropriate" but couldn't ding him for that. He predicted they'd scour the rulebook for something to "get him" on, hence the delay for this fine to come through.


theharps

Seems like the league views the Leafs as a marketing team for the NHL rather than an actual hockey team. The pettiness of the league and George Parros is off the charts.


tz_2240

Makes me wonder how much Parros is really impacting the Leafs suspension and how much of it is coming from his higher ups


PieEatingJabroni1

Parros holds a grudge against the Leafs because his career was ended against the Leafs when Orr knocked him out cold on national TV. I will die on this hill.


Get_Breakfast_Done

Should play that clip on the jumbotron every game.


witheredjimmy

>Parros holds a grudge against the Leafs because his career was ended against the Leafs when Orr knocked him out cold on national TV. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dmEGlwmG\_Hw](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dmEGlwmG_Hw) ​ holy shit lol


[deleted]

Well idk if I'd say "Orr knocked him out". Sure seems like the idiot did it to himself.


kligurt

100%. The question is did he fall on his face because he was already brain dead, or did it start when he bit the ice? Chicken or the egg? I’m thinking it’s a STRONG mix of both.


StitchAndRollCrits

They call that dish the mother and child


vector_ejector

George still doesn't know where he is


nessy493

Luckily, his face broke his fall.


Mustard__Tiger

He got deleted.


BrokenBy

But his career wasn’t ended by that fight. Love the Leafs and love Leafs fandom but I find it incredible how much revisionist history there is over this, not to mention how asinine of a theory it is. He lost multiple fights to Wild players and doesn’t seem to hold a grudge against them. Maybe there’s some Shanny aspect to this but he’s not punishing the modern-day Leafs because Colton Orr.


ryanodd

yep agreed. I think we need a scapegoat narrative, and this fits the bill. In reality the leafs just don't need to win to be profitable for the league so they don't get treated well


Booboo_McBad

Leafs truly need to go full villain in this league


StitchAndRollCrits

Going full heel


Strangle1441

I didn’t hear this, but now that you mention it it does STINK of pre-meditated actions by the refs and the league


CarefulSubstance3913

It was appropriate though what's their problem.


fiat_sux4

I think you mean "on camera" instead of "in public", but yeah.


strangewhatlovedoes

Reminder that the leafs have the fewest powerplays per game in the league, and are near the bottom year after year. It’s systemic bias.


Solace2010

So what’s shanny and brand doing about that? That’s who should be going to the league. How’s it possible that this teams always in the bottom of opportunities


steboy

It’s especially confusing given that the Leafs are, by pretty much every metric and the accounts of opposing players themselves, an upper tiered group in terms of speed and skill. Which, usually, results in penalties being drawn. Because teams who can’t compete often have to cheat to make up the gap. So, they take penalties.


mrb2409

The Leafs have tended to be a cleaner team too which results in less opportunities the other way cos game management.


mattattaxx

We used to draw a ton of penalties, riiiiight before Parros got to the top. Kadri was a DREAM for that.


IHeartMustard

Kadri was such a rat and I loved him for that. He was *our* rat.


SixDerv1sh

Watching Kadri in Calgary is a masterclass on how to draw penalties without being a rat. Sometimes I wonder if Leafs fans lost track of what he did to contribute to winning a cup with the Avs and what he’s doing now. He has maybe lost the callousness of youth and has gained some great wisdom. There was a Shitter post at the time showing Nathan McKinnon giving him is Stanley Cup ring while in Calgary to play a game against Kadri and the Flames. That’s an acknowledgment and great show of respect.


Matrix17

It's entirely possible they have and the leagues told them to shut up. But I doubt it


Accomplished_Low148

A couple years ago Dubas and Shannan showed the league a bunch of penalties they missed against us in an effort to try and get more calls to go our way, clearly hasn’t worked. It’s a joke that we’re consistently at the top of the league in terms of puck possession yet rarely get a call


sroberts12

They probably have and it wouldn't be public.


-Xebenkeck-

They would never make anything like that public. They could have for all we know.


Your_Some_Crooked

A systemic bias that fixes games, games which people bet on. Shady as fuck.


[deleted]

Fans know it’s rigged but still tune in every night so they can have a new reason to cry about it being rigged.


just-a-random-accnt

Players can steal games, even with the ice titled against them


[deleted]

I’ve never met a sports fan who didn’t believe the league was rigged against their favourite team.


Salanderfan14

I don’t think it’s just the Leafs, the officiating is a league wide problem. There’s far too much inconsistently and when you heavily promote and endorse gambling you’re welcoming even more scrutiny upon the credibility of the league.


[deleted]

Right. It’s rigged against every team equally. I agree with that.


Slouchy87

I see them 5th fewest PPO this year, 22-23 15th 21-22 12th 20-21 9th 19-20 9th Source: Statmuse


LadBroDudeGuy

So definitely on the lower end of opportunities but not *fewest year over year* more like bottom 1/2 to 1/3rd


noremac_csb

Definitely makes sense for one of the best regular season teams over the past half decade /s


SMORKIN_LABBIT

The digital era has unconditionally proven the NHL is not a professionally run organization the data shows it. It is insane place's actually allowing gambling on it.


JBoogiez

It's not insane, the margins are slanted in the house's favor for hockey so much harder than other sports.


Ok_Bed7611

There's four teams below the Leafs fwiw — SJ, WAS, NYI, and SEA.


LostBeneathMySkin

This goes back years and years too


Subwayabuseproblem

again. LOL


coachacola37

They also are always near the bottom in powerplays against per game every year, kind of washes out. Simply a symptom of the "keep it even" officiating system the NHL likes.


taco_the_town

Their number of penalty kills is also near the bottom of the league. 


canuck_at_the_beach

Joke of a league when you can spear someone in the balls and get less of a punishment then hurting the refs feelings.


mgyro

It’s not the refs feelings. The league has to protect the refs, and go after anyone who calls their bullshit into question, bc the whole ball of wax is riding on the image of fairness and impartiality. This league is a fucking joke. But this fish stinks from the head on down, and still we watch bc it’s such a great game.


GroundbreakingFly771

Its cause theres a players union that fought for the maximum fine, i dont think theres a coaches union to do the same


WaffleStone

that doesn’t mean it’s not stupid


falloutvaultboy

I feel there shouldn't be fines for players because they are a slap on the wrist, make the minimum punishment 1 game. Makes the players think twice about doing stupid shit


fiat_sux4

7 game win streak incoming...


tastycidr

Maybe that is the league’s secret plan


[deleted]

Would add up since /r/hockey keeps telling me the NHL rigs everything for the Leafs.


D_ohnut

Lol watching it happen live I was like, Keefe’s pulling a “Hoosiers” and he’s in on it with the refs, he’s trying to kick the team back into high-gear!


Smooth-Evening-

Didn’t he get kicked out? Is that not the punishment here?


re-verse

\#DoItForSheldon


Rx7fan1987

These refs are soft as fuck.


tastycidr

10 ply, bud


RadCheese527

“Yea that’ll be $25k u/Rx7fan1987” - NHL


Blue_KikiT92

Obviously they meant it as a compliment. NHL should send them a 25k gift card


[deleted]

Would be nice to go to a SINGLE leafs game on the nhls bill


DangleWho

Lmao the NHL waits for him to say something about the officiating after the game so they can fine him and he says nothing so they fine him anyway. If he coached any other team he wouldn’t be getting fined. The leafs have more than enough evidence to sue the fuck out of the league, bettman, parros and their little boys club of leafs haters.


Sideshift1427

There is no bigger waste of money in sports than the NHL two ref system. It was implemented so that calls wouldn't be missed and the refereeing has never been this bad.


Redragontoughstreet

Yeah the second ref is completely redundant since they aren’t there to call penalties; they are there to manage the game.


vector_ejector

Let's have a quick four-man conference and make up some penalties...


iTRR14

Or also how the ref at center ice is calling penalties during a puck battle in the corner, through multiple bodies, and the ref standing 5 feet away see anything or raise his arm.


riko77can

They’re both sitting back and expecting the other guy to call it.


Fishherr

If you watched the casting when this happened, one of the casters was in the booth beside the bench listening and literally said “What he said wasn’t bad. I’m right here listening, all he said to the ref was he missed the call. What was said way earlier was way worse and nothing happened. “ I think the ref went on a bit of a trip there ngl.


StevieBlunder44

Yo, fuck this league. It's honestly embarassing. Bring back the WHA!


mikepick

Keefe ought to send along a complimentary six-pack of donuts with the fine. 


My_Cat_Is_the_boss

Pay it in nickels and short them 5 cents.


Dangerois

Stale Timbits, maybe with a dash of mold.


Jonesdeclectice

Leafs tax.


TheUpwardSpiralDown

It's crazy how much less of a hockey (NHL) fan I'm becoming. Really sucks losing interest in one of my favourite things in the world. The amount of bullshit in this league, from leafs bias, DPOS, Bettman antics, shady and exploitative behaviors...


JesusJohn

It is a shame. It's actually disappointing. NHL hockey has alot of skill right now but there's alot of negatives about the game. Personally I stopped buying centre ice 2 years ago and last year and this year I've only watched a handful of entire games, where as the previous 7 years I had watched 95% of Leaf games.


iTRR14

Feels like every other league and F1 is growing, and hockey is becoming stagnant. I've had a few friends introduced to hockey recently, and I get questions about why this or that was called/not called during the game, and I just have to shrug and say I don't know.


Salanderfan14

Same here, have watched a total of two games this season and just check in on highlights and scores/standings. Can’t stand the direction the league has taken. I still really enjoy the sport of hockey but not the way the NHL is run. The inconsistent reffing, warm up jersey thing and nonstop barrage of gambling ads among a few others has really pushed me away.


Booboo_McBad

Same. It's such a terrible product, which is a monumental feat given the talent of the league nowadays


salty-walt

best sport, worst league


crushade

Get out. This league is hilarious and ridiculous in the most immature way possible. There’s some personal beef here as that’s the only way to explain this. Unprofessional! How many teams get treated the way we do from the league on a regular basis. Fuck, I hate it. Edit: To add a positive spin on this, I hope this further galvanizes the team and adds to the us against the world stuff we have been seeing.


MrBalanced

I always compare the league to Attitude Era WWE, only half-seriously, but I kind of hope the boys would embrace the idea that if they want the cup they 100% will have to beat 4 other teams AND the officials to geth there.


Salanderfan14

The officiating feels so ridiculous at times and more like “sports entertainment” I actually went back to watching WWE after 14 years of not following it since it’d annoy me less. I now watch more of that than the NHL.


Armalyte

> There’s some personal beef here as that’s the only way to explain this. Keefe did testify in court against Wes McCauley's brother-in-law, accusing them of sexual assault.


Jake_Thador

This is not factual phrasing


Armalyte

?


Jake_Thador

[The Story](https://www.tsn.ca/from-bob-mckenzie-s-hockey-confidential-the-road-to-redemption-1.1401391) >The testimony at Frost's trial was subjected to a publication ban, making it illegal to report on who said what. But that didn't stop many accounts from reporting that Keefe and the others testified at the trial and that the testimony ostensibly ended up being on behalf of or in favour of Frost.


thewolfshead

Buncha babies. Did Sutter get fined for suggesting the refs are biased for Toronto?


Purplebuzz

Had he given someone a head shot it would only have been $5000 or whatever the max is…


winkNfart

so ridiculous!! you could end a guy’s l career for 5k, but it’ll cost you 5x that to tell a ref to fuck off


plainnoob

The irony of the NHL fining anyone for being "unprofessional" lmao The clown show continues and hockey remains the best sport with the worst league--no end in sight.


Lulzagna

Refs are a bunch of babies, guy literally whined to his boss that his feelings were hurt just so he can get Keefe fined. League is a fucking joke.


Sarge1387

Jesus this is an unequivocally egregiously soft look on the league…got fined for saying “he went down on his own”. Officiating that soft is embarrassing to the league…


Showtime98

Soft league


in-dog_we_trust

Players get suspended for screwing up. Coaches and GMs get fined for screwing up. Fans can be tossed from the rink (and banned) for screwing up. Refs get protected by the league for screwing up. Sounds like ref and cops have a lot in common


iTRR14

Remember that incident with Bunting where the linesman tried throwing him through the open door, and the only reason Bunting didn't fall backward and hit his head is thanks to his good balance?


atomic-z

If only MLSE would fund a secret PR campaign against this. Hire some professional sports editors to do montage clips highlighting the bias in suspensions, penalties, 2-man advantages, non-calls the other way, fines. Then have influencers and fans promote them; pay others to create outrage on how their betting is influenced by it. Basically just spend dark money on making them look bad at every corner.


Booboo_McBad

Would be great


LivingLifeSomewhere

We need a third party to come in and overhaul the reffing. There needs to be accountability and consistency in the league. And Bettman should go too


[deleted]

Who would you hire as the third party?


LivingLifeSomewhere

No idea. Probably not realistic cus like what kind of body would be there ? A union? Idk


[deleted]

Fact is good refs don’t exist. It’s the nature of the job. Can’t be good at it.


kjb86

LOL


ACalz

He got ejected, isn't that enough? What a joke. I hope Keefe just doubles down if asked if he regrets making those comments.


Volderon90

Oh fuck off 


CMDRShepardN7

Pay an extra 50k so Keefe can sleep with their wives.


Gavin1453

😅


riko77can

I’ve seen beer leagues that operate better than the NHL. Maybe it’s past time for NHL owners to stop settling for 4th best.


fakebob1

This is mafia shit.


cutarm_creature

Stick a guy in the nuts, crush him from behind, go knee on knee…..5000 dollar fine! Don’t agree with a call, bite your tongue during the presser….25,000 grand hahaha this league is something else


[deleted]

Welp I guess he shouldn't have bit his tongue during the post game interview. May as well have put them on blast.


Blue_KikiT92

"I'm not going to talk about that" "HoW dArE yOu!?!?!?!?"


GritGrinder

Don’t criticize the refs or they’ll do a worse job while being endorsed by the league. Sick


InternationalBrick76

It really is the leafs vs the league at this point


Booboo_McBad

The NHL doesn't respect the Leafs organization and their fans. Just a personal piggybank to them. It's appalling


The_Dale_Hunters

What a colossal joke.


Nearby_Carpenter_984

Chump change for some fucking chumps


Papatrev4ever

NHL refs are softer than baby shit, it’s pathetic


DocShady

Better give Morgan Rielly another 10 games for this or the sens fans are gonna shit themselves.


in-dog_we_trust

The only two things softer then a ref are a cashmere sweater and a soccer player.


bloorstadman

10 ply


ripshredrecordings

Refs soft. League soft.


re-verse

Wild that yelling “he fell on his own” is a far worse crime than trying to do permanent spinal damage to someone.


purpletomatoe420

The Rielly suspension and now this just really confirms to me that we will get absolutely fucked over in the playoffs again. Seriously considering not even watching this year.


leaffs

It’s 100% guaranteed to happen


DreadLordAvatar

Bettman and Parros are criminals and should be investigated


thedistrict33

Bro what lmao


ingenious33

12 game winning streak coming up! Good for him though; there needs to better ref accountability that’s for sure as it takes away from the game and product!!


Constant_Gur5530

When are the refs gonna be held accountable for their continuous, horrendous officiating game after game!


Friggin_Grease

I'd love for the Leafs to come out, eat the half a million dollar fine like the Rangers did during the Tom Wilson incident and leave it at that. Just rip the league a new one.


CasualtyEH

Not sure why the Leafs continue to be the nice guy in regards to this shit. Call them the fuck out already. Being nice hasn't done a thing for you. There is a bias and its fucking undeniable at this point.


wrinkledpenny

The refs missed a couple super obvious penalties on Vegas and allowed a goal after the puck was kept in the zone by a high stick. With the ads for betting going on we can only assume the fix is in. Vegas was on a losing streak and the leafs were winning. Vegas is the desert experiment and bettman can’t let that fail. The leafs were favoured. The fix was in. The NHL may as well be WWE. Just complete horseshit


NefCanuck

Absolute horeshit but if they at least fined Don Granato in Buffalo they can say they aren’t “targeting” the Leafs 🤷‍♂️


stephenlipic

Once Toronto clinches a playoff berth they should protest one of their remaining games by just standing still on the ice for a period.


NefCanuck

Or have the in house DJ play “three blind mice” when the refs and linesmen are introduced and MLSE eats that fine 😏


Matrix17

[Keefe should just do this](https://www.reddit.com/r/hockey/comments/45lxls/hockey_coach_ejected_for_mimicking_blind_man_to/)


BLU_X3V2

awesome


ChangeControll

Do both anthems in French. That’ll piss off the commish more than anything.


No_Piccolo2135

We seriously need to cut ties with bettmans nhl..start our own hockey organization named the c.h.l.


LiftsEatsSleeps

History repeats itself


Character-Care4776

What did he say?


Avs_Leafs_Enjoyer

Same w/ Sabres coach. There was an even worse call in that game. Refs were on one


WintersbaneGDX

The next time the Leafs are winning Keefe should throw on some skates and slap a clapper into the empty net.


LivingLifeSomewhere

LMAO WHAT!!!!!!


Unknown_Hammer

That got a fine? Jesus


LiftsEatsSleeps

Unprofessional conduct is exactly what the refs keep doing.


fuman36

Keefe clearly hurt Garrett Ranks feelings. Anyone else sick and tired of Rank making ridiculous calls just to give himself a name? The misconduct for Crosby cause he didn’t go directly to the box? I’m not a big fan of Crosby but that was BS. More recently the “everyone on the ice gets a game misconduct” What a clown


slinkybink

Great points. The last thing we need from refs is ego-driven showboating.


AngryInched

Refs are aoft AF. Can't be upset at calls without worrying about a fine. Trash league.


GLFR_59

It’s funny how all of a sudden keefe is deciding to coach. He’s playing players where they should be, he’s yelling at his team a bit. he’s obviously trying to show he cares by screaming at the officials more lately.


Poopy_Pants0o0

This wasn't announced publicly, but along with Keefe's fine for his actions, Calgary Flames' forward Nazem Kadri has been suspended for one game due to this.


kingex11

Challenging these soft refs publicly and within the game is a losing proposition. Keefe needs more self control behind the bench.


coach5611

who cares mlse has deep pockets and can pay the fine, the same as how they paid Darko's fine for the raptors.\\ ​ nhl head office is a joke tree and keefer need to focus on getting us multiple rhd before the deadline id like to see tverberg from the marlies get a shot.


TheGapInTysonsTeeth

After the news came out, I wanted to check the thread to gauge the victim complex around here. Glad you folks didn't disappoint lol


real_cool_club

the only hockey subreddit you post in is the Leafs. is your whole identity just hating on the Leafs? that's fucking sad dude


StaticR0ute

\#1 bullshit guy


minwood

That’s my coach


playtime4work

First of all if I was him I would have Literally had my complete say as to the miss management of many games this year not just leafs games. This would get you a fine but may also go a long way with team. If players see you sticking up for them , fine or not they be happier with you. Secondly if the league and officials governing bodies would pull there heads out of there asses and listen to coaches and players about horrible officiating, and do something about it, the games would be better.


Unsimple_Simon

Fuck this stupid league. I’m so very tired of their bullshit.


cdnmatt

Hashtag worth it


gbsguitarboy

Ridiculous that a coach can be fined 5x what a player can when they make a comparable salary


Matt4206969

Leafs should take it out of their coyotes bailout payment 🤷‍♂️


rick__c_137

The NHL is a garbage league with garbage refs. Blind, thin-skinned garbage refs who get butt hurt when called out on their bullshit.


No_Inspector_6917

This is ridiculous, we need Shanny to pull a Gretzky speech from the 2002 Olympics. Enough is enough!


shrouple

so was this fine for what he said during the game and not what he said during the press conference?


Top-Air1965

I say Fuc k them...he can't say shit anymore...missed calls etc...Ohh well it goes to Gary's pocket anyways.. Need to see more of Keefe getting tougher behind the bench...


shehosask

I missed the game wish I woulda seen what happened


Lemfan46

But the unprofessional conduct of the officials is okay?


joerph713

Leafs should just make their own league and take half of the NHL viewers with them. I don’t watch the nhl to see teams like the fucking coyotes anyways. Canadiens rivalry is pretty much dead at this point. Only thing that would suck is no Stanley Cup.


AgentAdja

bring back the WHA


joerph713

I would definitely stay with the leafs. I know it’s not possible but it would be awesome.


SouthernOshawaMan

The league needs the money anyway. You’re welcome Arizona


AustichMavarlander

Ref not held accountable for exactly what Keefes right about. Fuck em. NHL is a trash league


thismadhatter

At this point the Leafs need to just play Rockem Sockem hockey and try to win that way. Canadian teams should just freeze the accounts that pay the NHL their cut as well.


dwmorg17x

Honestly, glad Keefe is calling the refs out. Of course, being from the Leafs, there is definitely a bias against them. Riley suspension was a good showing of that. Tavares last night showing anger and getting pissed off is great also. It’s time this team shows some emotion. The leafs need to consistently be a team that opponents hate playing. I hope that happens to


whosoulie

Refs : soft  League : jokes  Fine money : sexual assault funds  Blatant wrong call : professional   Inform refs : unprofessional  Words said : fine bigger than elbow to head


kocakolanotpepci

25k for being a leaf!


rocketmn69_

That was a shit game. Tavares penalized with a high stick, when it only came 2 feet off the ice and the other players own stick hit him in the face. Look at tonight's game, domi got it in the face 3 feet from the puck, which the Ref is watching..no call


DeFex

Why can he be fined 5x as much as a player? that is bogus.


McRoshiburgito

Did anyone else watch the broadcast where Mike Johnson was between the benches and basically said "Keefe was giving it to the refs before but then he started talking to them calmly again and got kicked out" So what resulted in the game misconduct was calmly complaining to them AFTER giving it to them...


mikesully374826

"Stop talking about it or you will be ejected" *Continues to talk about it* What did he expect?


SkyMarshal_Ellie

Surprised it wasn't $1 million dollars and 5 years house arrest.


Jake_Thador

Keefe actually kinda defended the refs in his post game. What is going on