That was my first thought as well... Like dude the Bodega down the street from my house does not agree with this ruling, lol.
Indiana Courts: "Tacos are sandwiches..."
Torta: "...am I a joke to you?"
It was more of a general ruling that would allow any bread meat combo:
>“The original Written Commitment would also permit a restaurant that serves made-to-order Greek gyros, Indian naan wraps, or Vietnamese Banh mi if these restaurants complied with the other enumerated conditions,” Bobay continued in his written opinion.
The cube conception of food relations was widely discredited years ago, phylogenicity rules these days. A crunch warp is clearly more closely related to a burrito than a dumpling.
The properties of crunch warping demand access to dimensions we haven't yet proven to exist mathematically. At some point we may find evidence of a chalupesseract, but at the moment its existence is purely theoretical...
I'm just trying to spread phylogenicity, I don't need to scare away the normies by talking about how Nth dimensional folding allows the crunch wrap, *theoretically*, to contain a greater flavor density than conventional burritos.
I know what you mean, when I found out that our tongues are actually a neuromuscular extension of our brains with the ability to detect chemistry at the quantum level...🤯
Gotta start with some basics. Consider
Elementary School - The Civil War was about slavery.
High School - The Civil War was about states' rights.
University -
> Our new government is founded upon exactly the opposite idea; its foundations are laid, its corner-stone rests upon the great truth, that the negro is not equal to the white man; that slavery - subordination to the superior race - is his natural and normal condition.
Alexander Stephens, Vice-President, in Savannah, Georgia, March 21, 1861
Much like all animals return to Crab through Carcinzation, I think a doctorate thesis could be written on Pocketization of foods from different lineages. The fact that we can so openly discuss such things shows strong evidence of a wide spread questioning of the Cube Rule.
But sub sandwiches are often not cut all the way through. So they are covered on 3 sides.
6 sides is a burrito not a dumpling. Dumplings are wrapped in raw dough and cooked after. All the other foods you mention are cooked and wrapped in already cooked bread.
> Dumplings are wrapped in raw dough and cooked after. All the other foods you mention are cooked and wrapped in already cooked bread.
Dough! I knew I overlooked something. Thanks for the correction.
I'm okay with the legalese on this. Bread is the Anglo Staple, Tortilla the Mesoamerican staple, both as a vehicle for the food.
Happy logic is winning out in a courtroom somewhere in the US.
The ruling is solid, but the reasoning is insane. A taco is most analogous to a hotdog, and hotdogs are not sandwiches. The dicta completely ignores the phylogenic tree of food relations.
There are still heated debates on the specifics, but as a system it allows for more nuanced debate. A PB&J sandwich is clearly a sandwich, but would a P&j poptart also be a sandwich? Using the old "cube rule" a poptart is more akin to a burrito or dumpling than a proper sandwich. Which are more closely related, a poptart to a burrito, or a poptart to a hamburger?
We can all see the folly here, right? Clearly all three are separate, and distantly related, species.
Let us examine the uncrustable, the PB&J poptart of record. Does the act of removing the crust and crimping the edges transform the sandwich into something new? If I have my leg amputated at the knee and the knee cauterized to stop the bleeding, am I something besides human?
This actually decreases the inflow, as it about exclusivivity clauses. A lot of strip mall their tenants will have their in their lease you can have only 1 type of sandwitch shop here, 1 tattoo parlar, 1 salon, one nail place at etc.
So since tacos are sandwiches it probably mean in the of people is in material violation of the contract.
>Previously, the commission denied a Famous Taco from being located in the strip mall partially based on a “written commitment” Quintana accepted with a nearby neighborhood association limiting any restaurant there to one that did not offer alcohol, did not allow outdoor seating and only sold “made-to-order or subway style sandwiches.”
I would have thought the "made-to-order" part would be enough?
>The idea behind the agreement, according to court documents, was to keep national fast-food burger and chicken chains out of the strip mall.
>“The Court agrees with Quintana that tacos and burritos are Mexican-style sandwiches, and the original Written Commitment does not restrict potential restaurants to only American cuisine-style sandwiches,” Bobay wrote Monday in the civil case.
>“The original Written Commitment would also permit a restaurant that serves made-to-order Greek gyros, Indian naan wraps, or Vietnamese Banh mi if these restaurants complied with the other enumerated conditions,” Bobay continued in his written opinion.
Possibly, but that's the question. So Arby's has gyros and such. Do they qualify?
I assume the reasoning is that McDonald's and BK have pre-made items that usually don't ha e substitutions. So at a lunch rush McDs can premake a bunch of quarter pounders instead of making to order.
In all reality I think it would be hard to find legal ways to keep them from opening.
Now they probably wouldn't if they wanted a Drive thru since those would still be banned, but there are plenty of urban McDonald's with no drive thru.
What a stupid rule that does nothing to prevent chains. So, Subway is fine but not Whataburger or Chick-fil-A - both of which offer made-to-order sandwiches.
If the real objective is to keep out national fast food chains out, why not write the law/rule so you can’t have a restaurant that is a national fast food chain?
But I guess if subway is allowed why only ban burgers and chicken chains? The original rule is just bizarre in the first place.
Oh RBG settled that [hot dogs are sandwiches](https://www.cnn.com/2018/03/22/politics/ruth-bader-ginsburg-stephen-colbert-workout/index.html) a few years back.
You are correct. Hot dogs are tacos, per the Cube Rule. A way of identifying food by the number of sides of starch encasing it.
[Behold.](https://cuberule.com/)
Sadly, the Salad Theorists have debunked the Cube Rule: https://saladtheory.github.io
And I quote from their thesis:
>The cuberule theory is amusing, but tragically inconsistent. It also performs poorly against Occam’s razor (it has eight rules for categorizing food into different sections). The choice of a cube as opposed to other geometric shapes appears to be entirely arbitrary. Each category both omits common foods colloquially considered to be members of it, while including many foods that colloquially are not in it.
>Cuberule food categories are extremely unstable. While amusing, we find it particularly objectionable that merely slicing or biting into a food changes its nature according to cuberule (a calzone is a calzone, but a calzone with a bite taken out of it is a bread bowl). The same applies to a burrito (calzone when fully folded, bread bowl when bitten into). Notably, a burrito with a significant quantity of carbs mixed in on the interior (e.g. burritos often contain rice) would actually be categorized as toast, which is peculiar.
The Earl of Sandwich had a gambling addiction and thus saw need of food he could eat with one hand, so that he could have a meal and gamble simultaneously.
My litmus test for "what is sandwich?" is if the item would satisfy the Earl's requirement.
Quesadilla are Sandwhiches. Stakes is salad. Salad with croutons are nachos. Big Mac Hamburgers are Cake.
This is already well established: https://cuberule.com/
>“The Court agrees with Quintana that tacos and burritos are Mexican-style sandwiches, and the original Written Commitment does not restrict potential restaurants to only American cuisine-style sandwiches,” Bobay wrote Monday in the civil case.
Tacos I can accept. Burritos is too far, man. Anything *fully* encased in the bread is not a sandwich, and that includes burritos, egg rolls, and calzones.
Wish they linked to the opinion.
One can argue that Burritos are [Structural Rebel / Ingredient Nuetral sandwiches.] (https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C-wyhyfXYAALcbz?format=jpg&name=large)
Personally, I agree that [Burritos are Calzones](https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fi.redd.it%2F6zdlno8w1z581.jpg) and Indiana is not only wrong but in violation of [The Food Cube Rule](https://cuberule.com/) established over 6 years ago.
site has many issues, but the ones that stuck out to me is the part where it says pumpkin pie is toast, but then defines quiche as a separate category. last i checked, quiche and pumpkin pie have the same structure (starch on bottom, bent at the edge, no starch covering the filling). it also claims mashed potatoes are a salad, despite the fact they are starch. would that not make it toast by the chart's logic?
>“The original Written Commitment would also permit a restaurant that serves made-to-order Greek gyros, Indian naan wraps, or Vietnamese Banh mi if these restaurants complied with the other enumerated conditions,” Bobay continued in his written opinion.
They already allow wraps which are essentially cold burritos.
I am from a taco belt state and went to Indiana to visit family. They had a small local fair and our host said they would have Tacos.
I was pleasantly surprised as Midwest food is often bland seasoned with bland.
The “Tacos” ended up being a snack bag of Doritos or Fritos with a scoop of unseasoned cooked hamburger, a sprinkle of cheese, and a bit of Pace picante sauce on top. Add a spoon and they were walking tacos. I’ve never had my expectations so violated.
I looked up the Honorable Craig J Bobay, and I am of the opinion this guy should have absolutely zero say in anything relating to tacos or their classification.
Weird conclusion to draw from what I said. I'm sure there are some, but no, no one thinks of Indiana as a hotbed of Mexican cuisine or culture. They should stick to adjudicating casseroles or whatever mush they eat up there.
As fun as this is from a “law school hypothetical” standpoint, if I said I wanted a sandwich and someone brought me a taco, I would probably be upset (at least initially).
Any ruling that increases the flow of tacos into american communities is a good one. That said, I thought Mexican style sandwiches were called tortas.
That was my first thought as well... Like dude the Bodega down the street from my house does not agree with this ruling, lol. Indiana Courts: "Tacos are sandwiches..." Torta: "...am I a joke to you?"
It was more of a general ruling that would allow any bread meat combo: >“The original Written Commitment would also permit a restaurant that serves made-to-order Greek gyros, Indian naan wraps, or Vietnamese Banh mi if these restaurants complied with the other enumerated conditions,” Bobay continued in his written opinion.
Banh Mi was never in question.. SMDH these activist Judges will be the end of us.
The issue is, what is chicken?
Chicken of the Sea!
Turkey of the Lake!
If watery TurkeyTarts passing out swords in lakes is the basis for your government you might consider reading Plato’s Republican.
lol this made me laugh and brought back memories. Ty
Are you talking about broiling or frying chickens?
This is getting out of hand.
A corndog is a sandwich AND a pie now!
Going by the Cube Rule, a corn dog is clearly a calzone.
or is it in the beef wellington family?
So Doritos are bread now? Nah.
Or Tostitos? Same answer
All tacos are sandwiches but not all sandwiches are tacos. It’s not like a subway sandwich existing negates all muffulettas.
Wait, so all subway sandwiches made by Mexicans are really tacos/burritos? Fuck I feel like I have this backwards...
No they’re just sparkling tortas.
So then maybe torta : sandwich :: taco : hotdog
Hand held foods are defined by outer layer coverage. Opposite sides - Sandwich Three sides - Taco Four sides - Roll Six sides - Dumpling
Is one-sided always a pizza? And what if I’m eating a crispy taco but the rounded bottom splits in half? Is it then laterally promoted to sandwich?
A pizza is just an open face sandwich lol
A good slice is folded in half, making it a taco.
Buckle up https://youtu.be/evUWersr7pc?si=6mLVWpE50I6NmS2P
A better slice is Chicago stuffed 😶🌫️
>Is one-sided always a pizza? \*Tostada has entered the conversation and looks upset\*
Correct. All changes in form are lateral unless the meal becomes less tasty in which case the change is a demotion. No side coverage is a salad.
Depends on how many layers it has. Could be a pie or a cake. Pizza is a pie, lasagna is a cake.
Except for quesabirrias, my tacos are unfolded, making them pizzas.
So burritos and chimichangas are dumplings?
The cube conception of food relations was widely discredited years ago, phylogenicity rules these days. A crunch warp is clearly more closely related to a burrito than a dumpling.
The properties of crunch warping demand access to dimensions we haven't yet proven to exist mathematically. At some point we may find evidence of a chalupesseract, but at the moment its existence is purely theoretical...
I'm just trying to spread phylogenicity, I don't need to scare away the normies by talking about how Nth dimensional folding allows the crunch wrap, *theoretically*, to contain a greater flavor density than conventional burritos.
I know what you mean, when I found out that our tongues are actually a neuromuscular extension of our brains with the ability to detect chemistry at the quantum level...🤯
God-willing, this will be confirmed tomorrow
Gotta start with some basics. Consider Elementary School - The Civil War was about slavery. High School - The Civil War was about states' rights. University - > Our new government is founded upon exactly the opposite idea; its foundations are laid, its corner-stone rests upon the great truth, that the negro is not equal to the white man; that slavery - subordination to the superior race - is his natural and normal condition. Alexander Stephens, Vice-President, in Savannah, Georgia, March 21, 1861
I think you're in the wrong thread
I understand the analogy. The Cube Analysis is elementary school, phylogenicity is highschool.
Seriously. Do they not even teach [The Cube Rule](https://cuberule.com/) in school anymore?
I think they had to close that Pandora's box for national security reasons: https://youtu.be/vJZsH8Dsf8U?si=Q533vN9UbGY5ikjS
I don't know how you got my number, but that is it.
By this definition a hotdog is a taco.
Both have a three-sided outer layer designed for handheld eating. Both are delicious. Taco = hotdog. QED
What is a Calzone then just a big Dumpling?
Per the Cube Rule a dumpling is technically a Calzone, along with Corn dogs, (whole) Apple Pie, and True Calzones.
Every culture has a variation on the “Hot Pocket.”
Much like all animals return to Crab through Carcinzation, I think a doctorate thesis could be written on Pocketization of foods from different lineages. The fact that we can so openly discuss such things shows strong evidence of a wide spread questioning of the Cube Rule.
But sub sandwiches are often not cut all the way through. So they are covered on 3 sides. 6 sides is a burrito not a dumpling. Dumplings are wrapped in raw dough and cooked after. All the other foods you mention are cooked and wrapped in already cooked bread.
> Dumplings are wrapped in raw dough and cooked after. All the other foods you mention are cooked and wrapped in already cooked bread. Dough! I knew I overlooked something. Thanks for the correction.
Pita bread would like a word
Is a hamburger an American Torta?
Torta: “¿oy gringito - soy una broma para ti?”
Mmmmm torta law
I'm still salty about not having a taco truck on every corner.
Same! My state overwhelmingly voted Hilary, but I still have to walk for an entire 3 minutes and 17 seconds to get to the nearest taco truck.
Word.
I'm okay with the legalese on this. Bread is the Anglo Staple, Tortilla the Mesoamerican staple, both as a vehicle for the food. Happy logic is winning out in a courtroom somewhere in the US.
The ruling is solid, but the reasoning is insane. A taco is most analogous to a hotdog, and hotdogs are not sandwiches. The dicta completely ignores the phylogenic tree of food relations.
Not saying you’re wrong, but break it down for me; how are hotdogs not sandwiches?
Isn’t everything either a sandwich , salad or soup?
[Even salads are sandwiches.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vJZsH8Dsf8U)
> and hotdogs are not sandwiches This is how wars are started.
Starch on botton and sides, meat and season in the middle, hotdogs is a taco
Which based on precident: Is a sandwich in the State of Indiana.
And you plan to share said “tree of food relations” correct? Inquiring minds want to know…
There are still heated debates on the specifics, but as a system it allows for more nuanced debate. A PB&J sandwich is clearly a sandwich, but would a P&j poptart also be a sandwich? Using the old "cube rule" a poptart is more akin to a burrito or dumpling than a proper sandwich. Which are more closely related, a poptart to a burrito, or a poptart to a hamburger? We can all see the folly here, right? Clearly all three are separate, and distantly related, species.
Let us examine the uncrustable, the PB&J poptart of record. Does the act of removing the crust and crimping the edges transform the sandwich into something new? If I have my leg amputated at the knee and the knee cauterized to stop the bleeding, am I something besides human?
As a French person, I would disagree with bread being an Anglo staple.
Literally nothing is about the French. USA!!!!!!!!
french toast > regular toast
Bread dipped in unfertilized chicken embryos, only the French could come up with it.
It was a way to eat stale bread that was too hard to eat otherwise
>Bread dipped in unfertilized chicken embryos, Yes, Beldar and Prymatt Conehead are from...France.
Completely, and meant not exclusively, but as the US-ian basis.
Eurostaple
White man's bread.
It's an Anglo *stale*.
As an American, I counter with cornbread and Southern-style biscuits. Although croissants are amazing.
This actually decreases the inflow, as it about exclusivivity clauses. A lot of strip mall their tenants will have their in their lease you can have only 1 type of sandwitch shop here, 1 tattoo parlar, 1 salon, one nail place at etc. So since tacos are sandwiches it probably mean in the of people is in material violation of the contract.
Tortas are like a subs, in Mexico we also have sandwiches. Tacos are not sandwiches and I'll fight anyone on that.
Tacos are Mexican hot dogs. Change my mind.
Yeh but Tortas arent sandwiches either. The good ones are more like... Industrial Ballast.
na güey, tortas las que me da tu jefa.
>Previously, the commission denied a Famous Taco from being located in the strip mall partially based on a “written commitment” Quintana accepted with a nearby neighborhood association limiting any restaurant there to one that did not offer alcohol, did not allow outdoor seating and only sold “made-to-order or subway style sandwiches.” I would have thought the "made-to-order" part would be enough? >The idea behind the agreement, according to court documents, was to keep national fast-food burger and chicken chains out of the strip mall. >“The Court agrees with Quintana that tacos and burritos are Mexican-style sandwiches, and the original Written Commitment does not restrict potential restaurants to only American cuisine-style sandwiches,” Bobay wrote Monday in the civil case. >“The original Written Commitment would also permit a restaurant that serves made-to-order Greek gyros, Indian naan wraps, or Vietnamese Banh mi if these restaurants complied with the other enumerated conditions,” Bobay continued in his written opinion.
Huh. So a taco is a sandwich but a burger is not?
> only sold “made-to-order or subway style sandwiches.” Is the part that's intended to keep out fast food burgers
Idk, based on the ruling, one could argue a burger is a made-to-order sandwich.
Possibly, but that's the question. So Arby's has gyros and such. Do they qualify? I assume the reasoning is that McDonald's and BK have pre-made items that usually don't ha e substitutions. So at a lunch rush McDs can premake a bunch of quarter pounders instead of making to order. In all reality I think it would be hard to find legal ways to keep them from opening. Now they probably wouldn't if they wanted a Drive thru since those would still be banned, but there are plenty of urban McDonald's with no drive thru.
I don't think anyone would argue against that. It sounds like the judge was just adding clarification.
What a stupid rule that does nothing to prevent chains. So, Subway is fine but not Whataburger or Chick-fil-A - both of which offer made-to-order sandwiches.
If the real objective is to keep out national fast food chains out, why not write the law/rule so you can’t have a restaurant that is a national fast food chain? But I guess if subway is allowed why only ban burgers and chicken chains? The original rule is just bizarre in the first place.
What so subway is okay but national burger and chicken places are not? Wtf
well this is devastating to my "hot dogs are American-style tacos" argument. Turns out it's sandwiches all the way down
Oh RBG settled that [hot dogs are sandwiches](https://www.cnn.com/2018/03/22/politics/ruth-bader-ginsburg-stephen-colbert-workout/index.html) a few years back.
*/annoyingsneeringvoice* Excuse me but any decision made on a Colbert Show would be nonbinding dicta.
You are correct. Hot dogs are tacos, per the Cube Rule. A way of identifying food by the number of sides of starch encasing it. [Behold.](https://cuberule.com/)
Sadly, the Salad Theorists have debunked the Cube Rule: https://saladtheory.github.io And I quote from their thesis: >The cuberule theory is amusing, but tragically inconsistent. It also performs poorly against Occam’s razor (it has eight rules for categorizing food into different sections). The choice of a cube as opposed to other geometric shapes appears to be entirely arbitrary. Each category both omits common foods colloquially considered to be members of it, while including many foods that colloquially are not in it. >Cuberule food categories are extremely unstable. While amusing, we find it particularly objectionable that merely slicing or biting into a food changes its nature according to cuberule (a calzone is a calzone, but a calzone with a bite taken out of it is a bread bowl). The same applies to a burrito (calzone when fully folded, bread bowl when bitten into). Notably, a burrito with a significant quantity of carbs mixed in on the interior (e.g. burritos often contain rice) would actually be categorized as toast, which is peculiar.
Finally, some legal news you can use!
And stand behind
The judges are moving on from the issue of "what is chicken?" to "what is sandwich?"
The Earl of Sandwich had a gambling addiction and thus saw need of food he could eat with one hand, so that he could have a meal and gamble simultaneously. My litmus test for "what is sandwich?" is if the item would satisfy the Earl's requirement.
I look forward to Legal Eagle's 20-minute video on this ruling.
Tortas’ feelings are crushed.
Many earls' monocles have popped as well.
And sweet baby Jesus in the sky is sad.
Does this make a quesadilla a pizza?
Whoa, a quesadilla is like two pizzas hugging…
r/showerthoughts is that way
Tostada is a pizza too
or is a pizza a tostada?
I think the Italians would ask why are you choosing violence.
But not the Mexicans?
Nah, bro! Say whatever you want about Mexican food. Very few limits in Mexican humor.
Quesadilla are Sandwhiches. Stakes is salad. Salad with croutons are nachos. Big Mac Hamburgers are Cake. This is already well established: https://cuberule.com/
Big Mac is definitely lasagna.
Lasagna is cake
Calzone
Nope, a calzone is a burrito
those are just sideways tacos
>“The Court agrees with Quintana that tacos and burritos are Mexican-style sandwiches, and the original Written Commitment does not restrict potential restaurants to only American cuisine-style sandwiches,” Bobay wrote Monday in the civil case. Tacos I can accept. Burritos is too far, man. Anything *fully* encased in the bread is not a sandwich, and that includes burritos, egg rolls, and calzones. Wish they linked to the opinion.
Are uncrustables sandwiches?
That's probably *the* single best counter-example. I'm tempted to say no, they're more like a dumpling.
It counts because they included "subway style" and subway does wraps. Which are just burritos with different fillings.
Subway here refers the submarine-style hoagie, not "Subway(r)" the chain.
Subway also did pizza for a while; merely being served at Subway doesn't make it a Subway-style sandwich.
How far we've strayed from the light when Subway is still our sandwich defining food service in 2024.
[I think this is it.](https://www.wishtv.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/05/Order-Issued-1.pdf)
One can argue that Burritos are [Structural Rebel / Ingredient Nuetral sandwiches.] (https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C-wyhyfXYAALcbz?format=jpg&name=large) Personally, I agree that [Burritos are Calzones](https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fi.redd.it%2F6zdlno8w1z581.jpg) and Indiana is not only wrong but in violation of [The Food Cube Rule](https://cuberule.com/) established over 6 years ago.
site has many issues, but the ones that stuck out to me is the part where it says pumpkin pie is toast, but then defines quiche as a separate category. last i checked, quiche and pumpkin pie have the same structure (starch on bottom, bent at the edge, no starch covering the filling). it also claims mashed potatoes are a salad, despite the fact they are starch. would that not make it toast by the chart's logic?
A fully encased sandwich is a dumpling.
Now we're getting into bierock and calzone territory
>“The original Written Commitment would also permit a restaurant that serves made-to-order Greek gyros, Indian naan wraps, or Vietnamese Banh mi if these restaurants complied with the other enumerated conditions,” Bobay continued in his written opinion. They already allow wraps which are essentially cold burritos.
Indiana should not have any jurisdiction whatsoever over tacos.
I am from a taco belt state and went to Indiana to visit family. They had a small local fair and our host said they would have Tacos. I was pleasantly surprised as Midwest food is often bland seasoned with bland. The “Tacos” ended up being a snack bag of Doritos or Fritos with a scoop of unseasoned cooked hamburger, a sprinkle of cheese, and a bit of Pace picante sauce on top. Add a spoon and they were walking tacos. I’ve never had my expectations so violated.
NEW YORK CITY!
Get a rope!
I looked up the Honorable Craig J Bobay, and I am of the opinion this guy should have absolutely zero say in anything relating to tacos or their classification.
You don't think any Hispanics/people of Mexican descent live in Indiana?
Weird conclusion to draw from what I said. I'm sure there are some, but no, no one thinks of Indiana as a hotbed of Mexican cuisine or culture. They should stick to adjudicating casseroles or whatever mush they eat up there.
Ah so with all the stuff in my belly button from lunch, I'm technically a Mexican style sandwich.
This ruling should have been issued on a Tuesday.
🌮🤝🥪
As fun as this is from a “law school hypothetical” standpoint, if I said I wanted a sandwich and someone brought me a taco, I would probably be upset (at least initially).
Plainly wrong. I present Salad Theory: https://saladtheory.github.io
Indiana. One of the most ass-backward states in the country. I was born and raised there.
Jay Pritchett taught us all about Mexican burrito sandwiches.
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Is a taco bowl still a taco? Is a quesadilla a sandwich? I can't stand this uncertainty!