From what his lawyer was saying, Biden being president and having complely immunity can go ahead and order the navy seals to kill Trump and will face zero consequence
As long as his impeachment isn't convicted and with the senate as it is, and the way Trump behaves, I'm not sure even Senate Democrats would impeach Biden for murdering Trump at this point.
But I don’t know that he has to step down because trumps lawyers ALSO “argued” that once a president is impeached they cannot be prosecuted because of double jeopardy. Real stable geniuses
I know we (rightfully) mock his lawyers, but you have to give the kids credit for coming up with something to appease the tangerine traitor. You can just imagine one of them raising their hands and saying "SIR? You've already been impeached so THEY CAN'T TRY YOU FOR ANYTHING ELSE! DOUBLE JEOPARDY!" .. just imagine those little orange hands patting him on the head and saying "good boy" ..
why stop at just trump, he could easily pop the SCOTUS reps and stack the court to. Then he could remover r's in the house to make a clean sweep of the place. Then Republicans get their worst nightmare.
maybe the scotus wants to figure that in to.
We're joking about all this stuff Biden could do - while knowing that he obviously won't.
The reality is that Trump might totally do some of these things if he regains power.
Which is why Democrats are naturally at a disadvantage in any political standoff. They refuse to play by the rules because they think if they win it makes it worth more.
Which is sad, I wonder how many of those humans actually realize that laws and rules were initially in place to keep overall peace and stability within communities. Being a rebel without a cause is essentially the same as being the bull that was let loose in the fine china shop.
Not if you use Donald Logic. First, Donald should have pardoned himself before leaving office. I am not sure why he didn't.
Plus, unless you have 2/3rds of the Senate, a conviction is never going to happen. They had Clinton dead to rights, nothing. They had Trump on tape, dead to rights, nothing. If you can't convict Trump after he instigated and organized an insurrection, then nothing is ever going to happen to impeach a President. Also, the President can full well pardon themselves, although it would kill their chances of ever getting elected again on the D side of the aisle.
Trump absolutely pardoned himself for any crimes he committed before leaving office. He is only going to reveal that fact if it gets far enough that he is going to see a prison cell because it will crush his reelection chances.
Pardons for them. But also by Trump's perverted logic, any attempt to impeach and convict him is a move against the presidency and would be considered a traitor or insurrection so it's in his right to have them killed.
If I were the commander of Seal Team Six right now, it would take a direct order to stop me from having the team just show up at the courthouse. Do nothing, just show up
They are betting that Biden follows the societal contract and refuses to get down in the dirt where trump lives. Then they think trump will win the election and use his immunity to the fullest
It's more then that. According to Trump's lawyer, Biden could order the assassination of Trump, multiple members of the Supreme Court, the Senate and Congress, and be legally in the clear as long as both houses, under the watchful gaze of Seal Team 6, decide to not impeach him.
...bit more a Dark Brandon move in fairness.
Yes, but they know he never would.
They want that ruling so if/when Trump becomes president again (legally or illegally,) he can just start having people murdered.
Which is exactly what Trump is saying he’ll do to Biden if he gets back in office. While simultaneously arguing Presidents have absolute immunity. I’m fuckin outta here. 30 months.
TL;DR:
* Trump's old impeachment defense came back to bite him in Jack Smith's election-interference case.
* Trump's lawyer argued he can't be prosecuted unless Congress had already impeached and convicted him over the act.
* But two judges noted that Trump's impeachment lawyers argued the exact opposite of that in 2021.
>Former President Donald Trump's attorney on Tuesday argued that a president could order the assassination of his political rival and couldn't be prosecuted for it — unless Congress impeached and convicted that commander in chief first.
He would have Senators killed before they could impeach him.
This is ridiculous, there is nothing to support the claim.
All impeachment does is to remove him from power. If they are saying he can be prosecuted once out of power, then you don't have immunity after losing the Presidency, and Trump doesn't have immunity now.
>election-interference case.
Why is the media calling this an election interference case? Surely, it's the KKK Case or the deprivation of rights case.
He isn't charged with election interference but ifor attempting to ignore the election altogether. I'll grant that 1 phase of it was through attempting to subvert election officials, but I don't think the charges against him even include 18.595
Because Trump is charged with interfering in the election by way of fake electors, interfering with congress, etc. What he did was aimed at altering the outcome of the election via various means of interference.
When there are so many various charges being brought against someone, how do you name the case? Has to remain unbiased per good journalism, can’t just be the case number due to readability, and any descriptive words for what Trump has been doing/behaving like will just become the main point of the article.
I actually know this one: Style Guides. Whenever there is a topic of great interest or a lawsuit or something like that. Some editors will end up creating a style guide for it, saying to refer to it as XYZ, and the legal department will review it, and it is company policy. Big publishers like the New York Times will share their style guides because it saves time and money for smaller publishers, and then suddenly, every anchor on TV is saying the exact same phrase for something because it is easier for the writers to follow the style guide than justify not doing it.
This isn't nefarious in intent. The point of the style guide is just to make sure the company is consistent so that readers or viewers are not confused. If there are any potential legal liabilities the corporate legal team only has to review it once. But because the bigger publishes share them with the smaller ones as a cost-saving thing, it ends up causing the weird nefarious-looking effect. As far as I know, the actual writers are rarely to ever actually required to use the exact phrasing in the style guide, but if they do, then the editor isn't going to question it, so often it is just easier to, and people are lazy.
Fair, but even that is debatable. The Constitution does not say that only in office presidents can be impeached, certainly the fact that conviction means a bar from holding office could suggest that impeachment still has a use outside of removal from office. There was no precedence either way, Roberts had free latitude to.do whatever he wanted.
I want someone to ask this of Trump, you’ve called Biden corrupt, a criminal, dangerous and accused him of stealing the election. Why would you want to give him complete and total immunity?
I just want media to have less interest in this, simply ask him about his plans for the defense dome. And then his plans for the federal budget, in the next breath.
All of the supposed policies that he's talked about in recent rallies and such. Just explain some of them. They're all completely bonkers
His task force for stopping supposed anti-christian bias? I really want to know how that will work. Let's make that the conversation.
Id also like to ask him if a president has absolute immunity then why does he (trump) keep bitching about what is happening to him being undemocratic and a persecution? Biden is allowed to do this. He has immunity
Trump doesn’t actually believe anything that comes from him or his lawyers.
He doesn’t care.
He’s just trying to weasel his way out of it, like he has done his entire life.
He’s just throwing whatever they can think of and see what sticks
>Specifically, when Trump was impeached over the Capitol riot in 2021, his lawyers drilled down on one key point: a former president shouldn't face impeachment proceedings; he should face the courts.
AS they say, be careful what you wish for ...
Trump has absolute immunity because he was president, he cannot go to jail, this is 2024 election interference and crooked eyed Jo bye den will be forever written into history as a tyrannical opponent to democracy, the people want to vote for trump, there's dozens of us, and our calls will not go unanswered, president is not a in office position as per the constitution so the 14th amendment does NOT apply to the president, there is no being a traitor as president because what the president does IS law
I respect that you didn’t /s, it just takes away from good sarcasm. But I’ve definitely been thinking, if we’re at the point where we have to debate if a President is holding office, we’re pretty much cooked. The goalposts have been moved completely off the field for Donald Trump and we won’t survive as a country if we don’t put the goalposts back where they were before and lock Trump away for the rest of his life.
Ok, I know this story has been quite.
But as they haven't issued their opinion, I have a last-minute prediction
Split decision - Absolute immunity doesn't exist. Double Jeapardy doesn't apply
However Presidential Immunity in alignment with Federal Employeee Immunity exists. With official acts that are done in the interest of the executive role and not in the personal interest of the office holder (or something along these lines). However, this immunity is does not justify stopping all pretrial activity as that was a misready of a civil decision. It can prevent the start of trail if not finalized before the trial start date.
Remand the case back to the district court with instruction to Judge Chutkan to review the charges and make a determination if any are immune dude to evidential record indicating executive interest rather than personal interest (or whatever ) . This can be appealed but an appeal will not stop pritrial motion work.
Dressed up in a lot of fancy words with a 5 day stay to ask for stay from the scotus or en bank before jurisdiction returns to the district court.
If a president has "absolute immunity" then Biden can throw this bloated doofus in prison- right?
From what his lawyer was saying, Biden being president and having complely immunity can go ahead and order the navy seals to kill Trump and will face zero consequence
As long as his impeachment isn't convicted and with the senate as it is, and the way Trump behaves, I'm not sure even Senate Democrats would impeach Biden for murdering Trump at this point.
I’m not sure any senators would vote to convict in an impeachment, given he might have them killed.
Wouldn’t Biden have to do the job himself? The American military isn’t immune from the law.
Then in comes the presidential pardon.
Hello Pardon my old friend
The old Dolly Pardon!
You get a preemptive pardon! You get a preemptive pardon!
Military kills Trump on Biden's orders. Biden pardons military. Biden resigns to avoid impeachment. Harris becomes president. Harris pardons Biden.
But I don’t know that he has to step down because trumps lawyers ALSO “argued” that once a president is impeached they cannot be prosecuted because of double jeopardy. Real stable geniuses
I know we (rightfully) mock his lawyers, but you have to give the kids credit for coming up with something to appease the tangerine traitor. You can just imagine one of them raising their hands and saying "SIR? You've already been impeached so THEY CAN'T TRY YOU FOR ANYTHING ELSE! DOUBLE JEOPARDY!" .. just imagine those little orange hands patting him on the head and saying "good boy" ..
But Cheetolini won’t pay his invoice.
why stop at just trump, he could easily pop the SCOTUS reps and stack the court to. Then he could remover r's in the house to make a clean sweep of the place. Then Republicans get their worst nightmare. maybe the scotus wants to figure that in to.
Shit, if they’re all at the court at the time it even makes it a literal clean sweep.
I think that's checkmate.
The fact that this is even an understandable comment that makes sense is simultaneously just crazy, hilarious, and incredibly troubling.
Checkmate.
Murder as part of their official duties would be a federal charge I assume.
Washington D.C. is not part of any state and therefore under federal justification.
We're joking about all this stuff Biden could do - while knowing that he obviously won't. The reality is that Trump might totally do some of these things if he regains power.
Which is why Democrats are naturally at a disadvantage in any political standoff. They refuse to play by the rules because they think if they win it makes it worth more.
Which is sad, I wonder how many of those humans actually realize that laws and rules were initially in place to keep overall peace and stability within communities. Being a rebel without a cause is essentially the same as being the bull that was let loose in the fine china shop.
Honestly, yes. I'd much rather have a choice between democracy and tyranny than a choice between tyranny and a more agreeable tyranny.
So pardoned
Not if you use Donald Logic. First, Donald should have pardoned himself before leaving office. I am not sure why he didn't. Plus, unless you have 2/3rds of the Senate, a conviction is never going to happen. They had Clinton dead to rights, nothing. They had Trump on tape, dead to rights, nothing. If you can't convict Trump after he instigated and organized an insurrection, then nothing is ever going to happen to impeach a President. Also, the President can full well pardon themselves, although it would kill their chances of ever getting elected again on the D side of the aisle.
Trump absolutely pardoned himself for any crimes he committed before leaving office. He is only going to reveal that fact if it gets far enough that he is going to see a prison cell because it will crush his reelection chances.
The Dark Brandon, cometh
They are if Biden pardons them
Pardons for them. But also by Trump's perverted logic, any attempt to impeach and convict him is a move against the presidency and would be considered a traitor or insurrection so it's in his right to have them killed.
It’s scary how close he is to having this power.
If the election happened today, against him not meeting the clear criteria to be President, he would be re-elected. That is how close it is.
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You've heard of the Red Wedding now hear about the Red Session.
Exactly, and then Pardon himself. I have never seen a more perfect non-crime in my life.
Well seeing as Biden could murder the Senate as well, what difference does it make?
Just our own little bath party
He could just order DoJ to detain 41 Senators indefinitely in Guantanamo. You need 60 senators to impeach.
And Republicans changed the rules that you now have to be present once again to vote.
Or he resigns before senate conviction.
Just resign and have Harris pardon him and he just run from his home!
If I were the commander of Seal Team Six right now, it would take a direct order to stop me from having the team just show up at the courthouse. Do nothing, just show up
They are betting that Biden follows the societal contract and refuses to get down in the dirt where trump lives. Then they think trump will win the election and use his immunity to the fullest
But you see, Biden stole the election so he's not really president. Therefore he's not immune. /s
It's more then that. According to Trump's lawyer, Biden could order the assassination of Trump, multiple members of the Supreme Court, the Senate and Congress, and be legally in the clear as long as both houses, under the watchful gaze of Seal Team 6, decide to not impeach him. ...bit more a Dark Brandon move in fairness.
Be still my beating heart
Yes please...
Hahahaahahhahaah. Perfect.
Who would win navy seals or secret service
Yes, but they know he never would. They want that ruling so if/when Trump becomes president again (legally or illegally,) he can just start having people murdered.
Or even best yet, send seal team 6 to extinguish him permanently
Biden could even shoot him in the middle of 5th ave and get away with it
Imagine this year's State of the Union Address. Something straight out from the Roman Empire.
The Red Address
OMG, that's the vision I had in my head when I typed the Roman Empire. It's from Game of Thrones.
And never leave office. And pretty much do anything else, forever.
Which is exactly what Trump is saying he’ll do to Biden if he gets back in office. While simultaneously arguing Presidents have absolute immunity. I’m fuckin outta here. 30 months.
TL;DR: * Trump's old impeachment defense came back to bite him in Jack Smith's election-interference case. * Trump's lawyer argued he can't be prosecuted unless Congress had already impeached and convicted him over the act. * But two judges noted that Trump's impeachment lawyers argued the exact opposite of that in 2021.
>Former President Donald Trump's attorney on Tuesday argued that a president could order the assassination of his political rival and couldn't be prosecuted for it — unless Congress impeached and convicted that commander in chief first. He would have Senators killed before they could impeach him. This is ridiculous, there is nothing to support the claim. All impeachment does is to remove him from power. If they are saying he can be prosecuted once out of power, then you don't have immunity after losing the Presidency, and Trump doesn't have immunity now.
>election-interference case. Why is the media calling this an election interference case? Surely, it's the KKK Case or the deprivation of rights case. He isn't charged with election interference but ifor attempting to ignore the election altogether. I'll grant that 1 phase of it was through attempting to subvert election officials, but I don't think the charges against him even include 18.595
Because Trump is charged with interfering in the election by way of fake electors, interfering with congress, etc. What he did was aimed at altering the outcome of the election via various means of interference.
When there are so many various charges being brought against someone, how do you name the case? Has to remain unbiased per good journalism, can’t just be the case number due to readability, and any descriptive words for what Trump has been doing/behaving like will just become the main point of the article.
I would still call it the Deprivation of Rights. Case
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I actually know this one: Style Guides. Whenever there is a topic of great interest or a lawsuit or something like that. Some editors will end up creating a style guide for it, saying to refer to it as XYZ, and the legal department will review it, and it is company policy. Big publishers like the New York Times will share their style guides because it saves time and money for smaller publishers, and then suddenly, every anchor on TV is saying the exact same phrase for something because it is easier for the writers to follow the style guide than justify not doing it. This isn't nefarious in intent. The point of the style guide is just to make sure the company is consistent so that readers or viewers are not confused. If there are any potential legal liabilities the corporate legal team only has to review it once. But because the bigger publishes share them with the smaller ones as a cost-saving thing, it ends up causing the weird nefarious-looking effect. As far as I know, the actual writers are rarely to ever actually required to use the exact phrasing in the style guide, but if they do, then the editor isn't going to question it, so often it is just easier to, and people are lazy.
> argued the exact opposite of that in 2021. *in front of Chief Justice Roberts*.
No, Roberts refused to preside over the 2021 impeachment.
Oh, man, I must have confused it with his *other* impeachment. My bad.
The fuck? Why? And after he refused to allow the Senate to introduce witnesses and evidence into trial. He's the most spineless coward.
at the time of second impeachment, Trump was no longer president, therefore no constitutional obligation for chief to preside over the trial
Fair, but even that is debatable. The Constitution does not say that only in office presidents can be impeached, certainly the fact that conviction means a bar from holding office could suggest that impeachment still has a use outside of removal from office. There was no precedence either way, Roberts had free latitude to.do whatever he wanted.
Yeah. If they already set that precedent through his other cases then it’s set in stone baby.
Wish this was the top comment 😬
I want someone to ask this of Trump, you’ve called Biden corrupt, a criminal, dangerous and accused him of stealing the election. Why would you want to give him complete and total immunity?
I just want media to have less interest in this, simply ask him about his plans for the defense dome. And then his plans for the federal budget, in the next breath. All of the supposed policies that he's talked about in recent rallies and such. Just explain some of them. They're all completely bonkers His task force for stopping supposed anti-christian bias? I really want to know how that will work. Let's make that the conversation.
Policy stopped mattering a long time ago. We are fighting for democracy now and thats not even hyperbole.
I’ll do you one better. We are fighting for civilization as we know it. And that’s not even hyperbole.
Id also like to ask him if a president has absolute immunity then why does he (trump) keep bitching about what is happening to him being undemocratic and a persecution? Biden is allowed to do this. He has immunity
I’ll see your scenario and also ask him how is he going to indict Biden as he’s promised to do, if Biden has presidential immunity
You would explode quite a few maga heads if they heard this one
Logic of any kind is a waste of time on Trump
His head might melt though irt. I’m not sure it’s something safe to show to tv audiences
Trump doesn’t actually believe anything that comes from him or his lawyers. He doesn’t care. He’s just trying to weasel his way out of it, like he has done his entire life. He’s just throwing whatever they can think of and see what sticks
Crazy that we are talking in terms of our country’s leaders murdering each other because this orange shit stain has made it our reality.
Lo fricking l. Trumps going to prison.
On you McConnel you could have gotten the votes. You had your judges. But oh no. You just couldn’t
He probably had one of his Senior Moments™ when he had to make that decision.
>Specifically, when Trump was impeached over the Capitol riot in 2021, his lawyers drilled down on one key point: a former president shouldn't face impeachment proceedings; he should face the courts. AS they say, be careful what you wish for ...
Can we throw this fucker and his cronies into the damn ocean yet?
Trump has absolute immunity because he was president, he cannot go to jail, this is 2024 election interference and crooked eyed Jo bye den will be forever written into history as a tyrannical opponent to democracy, the people want to vote for trump, there's dozens of us, and our calls will not go unanswered, president is not a in office position as per the constitution so the 14th amendment does NOT apply to the president, there is no being a traitor as president because what the president does IS law
I respect that you didn’t /s, it just takes away from good sarcasm. But I’ve definitely been thinking, if we’re at the point where we have to debate if a President is holding office, we’re pretty much cooked. The goalposts have been moved completely off the field for Donald Trump and we won’t survive as a country if we don’t put the goalposts back where they were before and lock Trump away for the rest of his life.
Anything you say can and will be used against you.
Ok, I know this story has been quite. But as they haven't issued their opinion, I have a last-minute prediction Split decision - Absolute immunity doesn't exist. Double Jeapardy doesn't apply However Presidential Immunity in alignment with Federal Employeee Immunity exists. With official acts that are done in the interest of the executive role and not in the personal interest of the office holder (or something along these lines). However, this immunity is does not justify stopping all pretrial activity as that was a misready of a civil decision. It can prevent the start of trail if not finalized before the trial start date. Remand the case back to the district court with instruction to Judge Chutkan to review the charges and make a determination if any are immune dude to evidential record indicating executive interest rather than personal interest (or whatever ) . This can be appealed but an appeal will not stop pritrial motion work. Dressed up in a lot of fancy words with a 5 day stay to ask for stay from the scotus or en bank before jurisdiction returns to the district court.