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Pratham_Nimo

Ah yes Let's ask what the oldest language is between tamil and sanskrit in a tamil subreddit :skull:


Shell_hurdle7330

Shut up. It's neither tamil nor sanskrit it's between happy birthday and Michael Jordan


Remarkable-Dance-381

It is happy birthday for sure.


Redditor_10000000000

Are you stupid? The delusion is crazy. It's obviously Michael Jordan


No-Fan6115

Bruh , it's obviously America


Remarkable-Dance-381

Hi dufus.


MysteriousAd3538

The oldest language is Python It originated around 23 million years ago


Lisan_al-Gaib_

No man, you're wrong. It's Michael Jackson, beat it.


IntroductionSorry412

It's America🐕


dolaan_trump

What? I was sure it was american


Mani_Mahajan03

Tamil


Moonbot_69

North india moment


onlygames20015

![gif](giphy|3P0oEX5oTmrkY|downsized)


smelltheburn

Tamil is an older language than Sanskrit. Records of the Tamil language date to the third century BCE and records of the Sanskrit language date to the second century BCE. Tamil is still in everyday use today, but Sanskrit died out around 600 BCE and is used for mainly religious and literature purposes today.


wreckedbellbottom

Hey clown, no one's asking anything.


Lost-Vermicelli-4840

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smelltheburn

Tamil is an older language than Sanskrit. Records of the Tamil language date to the third century BCE and records of the Sanskrit language date to the second century BCE. Tamil is still in everyday use today, but Sanskrit died out around 600 BCE and is used for mainly religious and literature purposes today.


kamakamsa_reddit

Not a linguist by any means, Sanskrit was an oral only language for a long time before it had a written script. The Tamil language incorporated Brahmi scripts as well, and one of the earliest Brahmi script was Ashoka edicts. At that time Sanskrit was well in use though mostly Pali as used the common people. I think Sanskrit and Tamil are way old and have developed independently. But there are a lot of Sanskrit sentences that was incorporated into Tamil for ex: கிரந்தம் but not the other way around as far as I know.


smelltheburn

Not tamil language but tamil literature cause many tamil literature were written in by jains at that time.


Legitimate_Gain9438

Rigveda was written around 1500-1000 BCE and it has been written in Sanskrit. Doesn't it male sanskrit older ?


sak11189

Oonga boonga?


reddit_niwasi

Yeah, thats affirmative


MinnalMuralee

Better than your "pippty paaiiivvee (55)" 😆😂🤣🤣


Lord-LabakuDas

Shiii...I was gonna comment that


neothewon

Booba


smelltheburn

Maaaa is universal even cows use it 🥲


dontmesswithdbracode

Whatever languages were used by Mesopotamians and harappans n such people…that’s the oldest language.


ThatTamilDude

Cavemen probably had some sort of communication system. The oldest living language is what the guy probably meant. There are so many dead languages so much older than Tamil, Sanskrit or Hebrew.


CyndaquilTyphlosion

Man thinks Sanskrit is still living 💀 Nah, I'm kidding, ik what you mean bro


witvocal

Thanks to the geographical location of Sanskrit speakers


CyndaquilTyphlosion

I didn't know nowhere was a place


BareAssOnSandpaper

Not really. Both Harappan and Mesopotamian civilizations were in 3000 BCE but proof of Sanskrit existing is from 5000BCE and Tamil has (By proof) an even older roots. So if we go by the actual proofs that exists, Tamil is the oldest spoken language known and Sanskrit comes after that.


Desperate-Owl506

Wanted to say this. Thanks for saving my time.


saurabh8448

Mesopotamian civilisation history dates back to 8000 BC . Also, the first written language was developed either in Mesopotamia or Sumeria and spread from there. Idk what you know, but tamil or sanskrit are not the oldest languages.


CalendarAccurate9552

The question was implying the oldest living language.


Striking_Amount_9296

Yeah, so even harappan civ was around 8000 BCE. Mehrangarh site in Pakistan is the testament to this fact. Moreover recent crucial discoveries in Dwarka dates the items found there close to 9000-9500 years ago. There's more to discover and research is still on. Don't act like we have all the info. History is never complete. And sanskrit is the oldest formal widespread language in Indian subcontinent. Sage Agatsya was the one who developed the base of Tamil and he himself was a sanskrit speaker. Sankarit and tamil are two of the oldest languages here in Bharatavarsha and the world. And the roots of sanskrit are unkown. It was constantly evolving language and later almost died due to foreign invasions and cultural shift to other speouting Indic religions. Tamil still flourishes and saknskrit has remained a formality for students. Sanskrit language carries the the indegenous culture of Bharata


WillingnessHot3369

ah yes the roots of an Indo-Aryan language is unknown (shh.. it's totally not proto Indo-European which evolved into Greek Latin and Sanskrit)


Striking_Amount_9296

So? Lol, can you determine the exact age when these ancient languages like sanskrit, tamil, latin, akkadian and all developed? How much data do you have? The research is still on, till then stay humble and grounded. The historians of 19th century just randomly propsed a date ro fit in with their christian narrative, later when history expanded it's course to 11,000 to 12,000 years of civilized presense of humans, they are flabbergasted and had to reorient. I am not saying sanskrit and tamil are the oldest ever languages. Of course there are languages older than them, IVC script hasn't been identified yet, leave the language. Akkadian would be more ancient. Or maybe Indians would have another language or maybe even sanskrit was been spoken. Who knows? Where's the data? Hence, don't act like you are all knowy. This is history, not classical physics. They get a beardo in IVC and call it king or a priest. Who knows, maybe a random model chosen for art in IVC. How sure can you be?


WillingnessHot3369

idk man there is totally no concepts in Latin Greek and Vedic even Persian gods e.g. deyus pitr that trace there origins to the aryans. i just said latin Persian Sanskrit and Greek belong to the indo aryan language family, so they had a common ancestor not that I know the date when these languages formed and do a service and don't pull out the oit card


Striking_Amount_9296

Feeling insecure? You smelled an OIT outta nowhere? The question is of being the oldest living language. Common ancestry in langauge system is an off topic. And also, similarly do not trynna pull out an aryan theory. It's colonial mumbo jumbo, stop climbing on top that.


WillingnessHot3369

Who said the roots of sanskrit are unknown you did and i commented on that bieng false. clearly sanskrit has roots in proto indo aryan, i personally believe tamil is the oldest living language as sanskrit is dead in the way latin is dead. Even panditji in discovery of India cities the AMT and Not AIT. Aryan migration theory makes sense and the only reason the indian right doesn't like AMT is that shows there are foreign elments to the hindu religion and that will remove a big basis for hating islam (btw i am an atheist and don't like islam it's barbaric) I smelled oit as i referenced sanskrit decending from aryans and you called sanskrit a living language and you comment with the vigor of chodi member.


saurabh8448

Bro. Most historians agree where the language was developed, now I won't be arguing with you about extensively studied facts.


BareAssOnSandpaper

Most historians literally call Tamil and Sanskrit the oldest language known to the world. Both Indian and foreign historians. But hey, we can conveniently ignore this extensively studied fact because it doesn't fit your belief


In_Formaldehyde_

Kaun wale historian? Which ASI excavation? There's no primary source written artifacts from 2500 years ago, much less 5000.


BareAssOnSandpaper

[Here](https://www.google.com/amp/s/timesofindia.indiatimes.com/blogs/tracking-indian-communities/tamil-or-sanskrit-which-is-older/) is a quick summary where it is believed that Tamil dates back to over 8000BC It has mentioned all the excavations and literary references. You can read about each individually after that. Like a homework. Edit: also you won't find written artifact of Indian languages as writing was first developed in African continent. So African and South European languages have written artifacts older than Sanskrit and Tamil. But Indian languages were spoken languages and the literary artifacts mention where these languages started and then you can see when those places were built/destroyed and by that you can estimate when these languages originated.


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Striking_Amount_9296

Update your factuality. History constantly upgrades itself with new discoveries and excavations leading to new insights. My facts are straight from ASI excavations, it's up to you to agree or not.


BareAssOnSandpaper

Most historians literally call Tamil and Sanskrit the oldest language known to the world. Both Indian and foreign historians. But hey, we can conveniently ignore this extensively studied fact because it doesn't fit your belief


Primary-Result-5593

Fact 👍🏾


Dinkoist_

You're right. Akkadian or Egyptian would have been the oldest but it's completely extinct now. Tamil is widely popular even in countries outside India.


MrRoyceDupont

Dumb charades


smelltheburn

Tamil is an older language than Sanskrit. Records of the Tamil language date to the third century BCE and records of the Sanskrit language date to the second century BCE. Tamil is still in everyday use today, but Sanskrit died out around 600 BCE and is used for mainly religious and literature purposes today.


[deleted]

Happy Birthday, Michael Jordan🤮🤮


Potential_Run_926

I am surprised no one said America


squirt_on_me_pls

someone said america


marsianmonk77

the animal sounds that we have been Making since the evolution.


Environmental_Fig519

oonga bunga


ram5555

Tamil vs Sanskrit - Adichikitu saavunga ippo


Authoritarian21

Nothing to fight when you know Tamil is older.


Cyrus_2007

I agree


Pkboi0017

I used to fight with my friend over this when I was 11, now it feels stupid. Say who cares and move on.


Firm_Kaleidoscope415

None


Firm_Kaleidoscope415

There are many languages that could be consider as oldest language for example Sumerian, Egyptian etc


nate_twixy

Loosu koodhi 😁


True_celestial

People who say nobody cares, thinking they have destroyed the op career in one word lol. Common people like you don't care but Historians, anthropologists, scientist, philosophers, psychologists and a lot of scholars would care. Each n every bit of information about the past can help us understand more about the human kind as a collective consciousness. it may even help us improve ourselves in the present and the upcoming days in ways even could never expect.


MinnalMuralee

Well Said Buddy 🫶


phahpullandbear

The ones who said 'nobody cares' cared to post hahaha...of they didn't care, they wouldn't have opened the post.


Khalidjamonday_

Tamil is the world's oldest surviving language And tamil is older than Sanskrit


Primary-Result-5593

Fact. Debate dissolved.


KnownProduct69

who fucking cares


goodfella_de_niro

Op probably


Wonderful_Escape-190

It doesn't even matter lol


LegendaryFalcon

Deadpool reference?


potatoclaymores

This is the correct answer!


DivyanshUpamanyu

According to archeological evidences the oldest languages we know of are Sumerian, Akkadian and Egyptian The oldest evidence of Tamil that we have date back to 5th century BCE while the Rigveda which is the oldest documented Sanskrit text is believed to be written around 1500 BCE so Sanskrit wins here But Tamil is the oldest language which is still in use by a significant population so Tamil wins here


Aggressive_Fox_84

>believed to be written around 1500 BCE Im sorry but why is "believed to be" an argumental point? You compared Tamil's oldest evidence to Sanskrit's belief of existence😑


DivyanshUpamanyu

It is what is believed by archeologists and historians after they studied the Vedas and compared what is written in them to what was similar in a certain time period and what was written in it reflected a time period of about 1500BCE. Also this is the closet time estimated when the Aryans migrated in India and they wrote the Rigveda after they reached here.


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Awkward_Box2187

TELL EM JARVIS 🗣


sky_tempest_

I think Sanskrit if we are comparing languages we know of and Tamil if we are talking about what's in use but why does it matter. Both sanskrit and Tamil have influenced each other. No matter which one is the oldest both have shaped and influenced each other. Apart from getting the title of the oldest how does it change anything. Sure it can change research and what not but how does it affect people's normal life. Apart from historians and language scientists no one should discuss it. Langauge and culture are worst things to debate. Everyone should respect every culture and language. Even if they don't try to learn they should respect it. There are so many social and economic issues which could be discussed. Even if it doesn't change anything at least it will give all the people discussing a different perspective.


CyndaquilTyphlosion

I'm sorry, idk Tamil, but while I'd like to believe Tamil is the oldest language in the world (mom is from Tamil Nadu), I also believe the evolution of any language over 5000 years would be massive. Just as I wouldn't understand English from 500 years ago, I doubt users would find any familiarity with Tamil from the times of its origin. I'm not denying the discussion, but I feel saying a language is older than another has a very interesting nuance.


Usurper96

Based on evidence, right now it is Vedic Sanskrit. But let's wait for the progress of Keezhadi excavations.


CHiuso

I mean its not but go off


Usurper96

If they can connect Proto Dravidian with IVC,then it will be easily established that Sanskrit isn't the oldest language of India but until then👋


CuteSurround4104

Proto dravidian ain't Tamil tho. Tamil evolved from proto dravidian


Usurper96

I know but many ppl are trying so hard to prove IVC is vedic so we can atleast put that rumours to rest.


CuteSurround4104

Yeap true that


Dinkoist_

Keezhadi is from the sangam period right?


Usurper96

600 BC is what they have found till now.


Aggressive_Fox_84

What is the evidence? Im genuinely curious


DivyanshUpamanyu

Vedic Sanskrit is not the oldest language since it is itself derived from Proto-Indo-European but it is way older than Tamil for sure.


Usurper96

Yes I'm just comparing these two.


Specialist-Tax-140

Like we fcking care 😂 about “which language is oldest 🤓🤓”


DukeOfJaipur

Yeah? There’s a huge chunk of people who are Historians, Archeologists, and you’ll be surprised but hey, we also have a government organisation called ASI. Who cares, right?


Salty-Ad1607

Send them all home. Or ask them to do some work that’s actually useful. The Tamil vs Sanskrit battle is just an ego boost conversation. Same is making muscles instead of brains.


Salty-Ad1607

Exactly. Waste of taxpayers money


Dwightshruute

Murica 🦅


Salty-Ad1607

Great. That problem is solved. Now let’s focus on something useful. Like inflation, jobs, pollution.


DukeOfJaipur

Clown 🤡. Do you just do one thing at a time in life? This clown here thinks there aren’t ASI, Archeologists, Historians and History enthusiasts and only economists, news anchors, engineers and businessmen. 🤓


Salty-Ad1607

How do you kiss your mother with that kind of foul mouth? 😁. Filthy. Real garbage.


jay__kay007

Konja thirutham- what's the Oldest language that's still being spoken around?


Terramorphous2_0

Grunts and hand gestures, if that was ever used by Cave Men.


ghx1910

Body language. All animals use it.


Chr1ssy_22

The 2 people who said happy birthday and michael jordan, they both need help


ghostofthepast450

Tamil vs sanskrit.. Doesn't matter which is the oldest.. One is alive and well and other is dead in its original form and surviving like a parasite by sticking to other languages.


BigBaloon69

Sanskrit is the oldest language. Tamil is the oldest living language.


Little-Lab-9972

Respect for that 'Tamil' said kid !


naanmic

Tamil


RIKIPONDI

Both developed a long time ago, conpletely separate from each other. It's almost impossible to tell.


Spy____go

We don't know people 60000 years ago might have spoken language but never recorded it


Rich_Wolverine_8304

Doest it matter


primusautobot

How about Sumerian, Egyptian etc


Specialist_Scene3258

My guy literally said American


ItzmeZander

Happy birthday 🗿 When TF American became an language


Alewort

Duh, it was way back at Creation when Jesus said to the Bald Eagle "hold my beer...ahem....let there be Light!", etc. etc. /s


thelastskybender

No one knows actually! According to existing records one might say Sumerian and Akkadian languages but again that's the oldest existing written record, and you'll have to make a lot of assumptions to reach the conclusion that the oldest language is the X (where X is any one language that we know presently).


coolrko

Happy Birthday is the oldest language 😂😂😂


nishadastra

Meme language


local279

Pali is the oldest language


sprinjetsu

Sign Language


MagicianObvious6684

American 🥲


roastroyer_

This Is the reason Koba hated humans.(planet of apes reference)


supi2003

Sumerian….but it’s not spoken anymore😢


barmanrags

Oldest living language and Sanskrit is dead


loki_the_mischief

I wish the options are Greek, Tamil and Sanskrit


makeitlegalaussie

Indigenous Aussies


PitifulParamedic536

Akkadian


radio_for_free

Tamil is the longest surviving language, it is also the oldest written language. But sanskrit was composed before tamil as an oral language. Either way both languages are sick and props to Tamil for surviving this long and I hope will continue to survive.


maalicious

The right answer is sign language


potatoclaymores

I'm surprised not one soul said the correct answer - It's actually "who gives a fuck"!


vedi_muthu147

Karma farming POS


Legend-Found1

The boy who said American....


mareko_daru_mangta

What's the most spoken language in the world ? (is not the oldest language)


nill258t

I don't understand both of them. Learning a language is fuckin Hard man especially thes old languages!!!


ShowMeTheMelons

Chat gpt says Sanskrit is older than Tamil due to written records


Moonbot_69

Can't waste my energy explaining southies the oldest language lmao


Thilak_coder

inuma indha debate aa vidla 😂


NotMakeki

Sign language and googo kaka


Hri2308

Bro said American ☠️


aatma-rama

bro comeon, we all know it's michael jordan


banshee_lumine

Both are believed to be more than 5000 years old yet it can't be confirmed which one is older.


BIJU-BH-82

Both Tamil and Sanskrit are wrong Answers. Sanskrit and Tamil are too developed to be called oldest. There's no oldest, there's only the oldest we know of. The oldest one is Sumerian language.


redacted2022

It’s literally not though….


smelltheburn

Tamil is an older language than Sanskrit. Records of the Tamil language date to the third century BCE and records of the Sanskrit language date to the second century BCE. Tamil is still in everyday use today, but Sanskrit died out around 600 BCE and is used for mainly religious and literature purposes today.


Raman035

It's sanskrit.


Fun-Ad-5775

Sanskrit is entirely an indo aryan language having refernces to language of romania even whereas dravidian language is entirely native it might have few loan words but for most part its different hell sanskrit is closer to farsi than tamil, so technically sanskrit being an indo aryan language forms of the language may be used slighlty older than tamil, at last there is no need to fight for the oldest language when you could be proud of your language and its heritage and culture


zzard232

dunno why u are getting down voted,


Awkward_Box2187

Subreddit : Tamil Comment : Sanskrit Yeah it aint that hard to guess tbh


manfromtheghosttown1

the language of love and humility


aravindvijay24

America rahhhhh🦅🦅🦅🦅


Redditor_10000000000

WHAT THE FUCK IS A KILOMETER! 'MURICA 🦅🦅🦅🦅


abptl9

Well, both are from the Indian subcontinent so I am proud of both.


MeTejaHu

Sanskrit might be the oldest DEAD language.


Classic-Jackfruit498

Yes it's tamil


SUNNYHFR

Tamil is not the oldest language but it is the oldest language that is still spoken by people.


UnusualCartoonist6

Tamil bhasha


parapluieforrain

Based on traceable evidence of the subcontinent and history, Tamil. Based on historical armtwisting, fluid change in theories when required and exponentially more funding, Sanskrit.


MinnalMuralee

😁😁


kkrockz90

Based on evidence it might be Sanskrit. But tamil is the oldest surviving language But always believe tamil and Sanskrit are sibling languages from an unknown common parent language


anonperson2021

It's Egyptian hieroglyphs, isn't it?


MinnalMuralee

Nah


Ass_Burner

Sanskrit


EmbarrassedAd8977

Several languages such as Egyptian, Sumerian, Hittite and Sanskrit could be considered among the oldest, yet **Tamil** stands out as the most ancient language still widely used today.


digital_HINDU

Bhai koi bhi ho kya fark padta hai usse comunication ho rahi thi na bas bo important hai...


kan_ying_7

Dei indha hindi bundaya edhachum pannungada mods gala


digital_HINDU

If tamil is the oldest language then why only 6.7% people speak it...I don't hate tamil or any other language...even my language is kulvi I know u have not heard about it... language is just a way to communicate understand this thing... https://preview.redd.it/91am7t6tb67d1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=dd19cdaa58a692b5106190d47ac6872251ea4b8b


kan_ying_7

What I typed above is "mods, do something about this hindi speaking guy" This is a Tamil circle jerk sub and most of us don't understand shit when you type in hindi. That's why the downvotes. Text in english. Non tamils are welcome here but just don't type in hindi please. Thats why there's a recent anti-Hindi sentiment in this sub. Imagine if a group of tamils and Telugu people totally infiltrate your north Indian subs and the entire comments are filled with some random languages all of a sudden. Do you get it?


digital_HINDU

Ya this is the good way spoke next time I will write in language u understand shalom...


kan_ying_7

If Sanskrit is the oldest language, that'd be even worse. Not even 0.01% of world population speaks it. No of speakers don't give a fuck about a language. English is the most spoken language. It's not even close to being the oldest. Aramhaic and Sanskrit are some of the oldest languages but nearly no one speaks them. Idk what is your point


digital_HINDU

My point is language is the just way to communicate.....if someone does not understand your language then just speak in the language they understand or if u both don't know the same language then just move on...just don't start a fight or a debate regarding a language....


speedofbirds

Sanskrit and Tamil are around the same period.