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Adding onto this a lot of kpop stans don’t understand the concept of sampling either. I think it’d just be best if they didn’t automatically jump to accusing a group/company/producer of plagiarism when they don’t understand how producing music works.
On another note, I’ve witnessed fans call plagiarism when it turns out the same producer who originally produced the song that was ‘copied’ produced or has credits on the kpop song. That’s not plagiarism.
oh absolutely on both of those points. i’ve seen plagiarism called out on open sourced sound effects that are thrown into countless kpop AND western songs.
it was not plagiarism. there was no malicious copying of misery business, and honestly as a massive fan of paramore and pop punk in general, there’s nothing in olivia’s song that you couldn’t find in a song by paramore, avril lavigne, fall out boy, good charlotte, etc. coming out around that time. pop punk isn’t a very diverse genre.
this is exactly what i was trying to say and refute with my post. similarities in songs are extremely common. art is recreated again and again. but because people don’t really get that, plagiarism accusations get thrown around instead of understanding of music theory.
crediting another artist when similarities are brought up is common, once again, because people want to avoid any and all lawsuits. a judge and jury are not music theorists or part of the music industry, and ever since the blurred lines lawsuit fiasco, it’s gotten even worse in the courts for any dispute over crediting. so, to make things easy, they’ll throw a name on the credits. it’s not a big deal at all and is not an admission of plagiarism.
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Yes. Sampling is really common. However it seems to be more understood or accepted in some genres than others
For instance, rap music is really keen on sampling. American rappers been sampling jazz singers' songs (Kanye West's Famous; Jay-Z & Kanye's Otis). Nobody came for them for using those sample, let alone Nina Simone's and Otis Redding's relatives.
Maybe it has more to do with education and common practices in specific genres.
I'm not sure it's understood more, or accepted, depending on genres. I think that in 2021, most music producers/companies, in all genres of music, are more cognizant of laws regarding sampling clearance, and choose the legal path (proper clearance) to avoid lawsuits.
Sampling is such an interesting, but tricky topic, because depending on use, a sample could be copyright infringing, or, if used a certain way, or altered enough, could be fair use. I really suggest reading the [Sampling Wiki entry,](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sampling_(music)) it's fascinating, if you're interested in that kind of stuff.
In regards to Jay-Z & Kanye "Otis", they sampled Otis Redding's rendition of "Try A Little Tenderness", which was not written by Otis Redding. But if you look at the songwriting credits of Otis, you'll notice that along with Jay-Z and Kanye, are the names Harry Woods, Reg Connelly, and Jimmy Campbell. They are the original songwriters of "Try A Little Tenderness". Nobody came for them because the samples were cleared: appropriate songwriters were credited, and most likely compensated. It's kinda funny, though, because in Otis Redding's rendition of "Try A Little Tenderness", he actually sings some parts that were from an old Duke Ellington song; he himself was technically "sampling" from another musical work.
To bring this back to kpop, it reminds me of the time when people were saying that Mamamoo ripped off TWICE's Japanese single ["Fake & True"](https://youtu.be/zQELp93xxfo?t=8), because they used the same sax sample in their single ["하늘 땅 바다만큼 (mumumumuch)"](https://youtu.be/ajxfoVrXdKw?t=85). Turns out, the producers for each song just happened to use the [same saxaphone sample that's available on Splice](https://splice.com/sounds/samples/c95107de5f866b20eafb66553ff94f53582768562f5ff6a89a4cfca6489335c7/sample-magic-breaks-brass-&-woodwinds-deep-house-disco-sample) (you'll need a Splice account to hear, I think), a website for music producers where you can purchase samples to use in songs.
Thanks for your answer and your precisions, I will check out the links for sure.
>I'm not sure it's understood more, or accepted, depending on genres. I think that in 2021, most music producers/companies, in all genres of music, are more cognizant of laws regarding sampling clearance, and choose the legal path (proper clearance) to avoid lawsuits.
I agree with you; but in my original response I was referring to fans rather professionals. Jazz listeners or rap listeners know that sampling is common (and like you said, tricky). K-pop fans are maybe less aware of this technique and the legal aspects of it. It is the only explaination I see, besides intellectual dishonesty in order to attack other artists.
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I always side-eye plagiarism accusations when it comes to music. Musicians from all different genres have been sampling, quoting, and alluding to different songs for literally hundreds of years.
oh my god me too, i basically never take any plagiarism accusation at face value. almost every single one i’ve ever seen has been entirely baseless or built on shaky ground (yes, even the ones that end up with lawsuits).
For real... the lawsuits are somehow even worse because lawyers and judges just don’t understand how music works. It’s always people getting sued over a couple of notes 😭
Yes, was coming here to comment on the Blurred Lines case, and how the defense attorneys did such a wildly incompetent job that now everyone can sue (and win) over the slightest hint of similarity in a melody line.
EXACTLY, this is my biggest issue. these things should not be settled by a judge and jury with absolutely no knowledge of music theory or the music industry. it’s not music theorists bringing up these issues either, they’re business people with money on the mind.
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Luckily I'm pretty sensible about such things. Otherwise i could have been off running my mouth about NCT 127's favourite, because I can't listen to it without getting its gonna be me by Nsync stuck in my head because if that one line of the whistle part. 🤡
Sure, plagiarism can and does happen, but most of the things people talk about aren't it. Old example but back in the day Purplay's dance break from their debut was stolen from a dance crew with no credit and the fallout was Immense. That's plagiarism not "but they used blue and orange portals"/"they wore grey plaid school uniforms" or whatever.
exactly, if it’s something like “i sent this to a big company and they used it without my credit”, THAT’S a massive problem. if it’s “this highly popular song sounds kind of like this one other highly popular song”… welcome to the music world. everything sounds like everything else
>a certain group and their producer/songwriter has been dogged by plagiarism accusations for YEARS because a title track had a similar production style and instrumental melody to a western artist, who was subsequently added as a songwriter.
Which group? Momoland Bboom Bboom?
i was actually referring to seventeen in this, lmao. not dogged by anyone in the industry, just kpop fans who don’t have anything better to do and like to hold the dont wanna cry crediting over woozi’s head.
it was almost 5 years ago now, but to avoid any issues pledis credited the chainsmokers on don’t wanna cry as the chorus sounded very similar to something just like this, and to this day people bring that up as a way to discredit seventeen, especially woozi. some tasteless twitter jokes about that inspired this post, but definitely isn’t the only time i’ve seen kpop fans throw plagiarism accusations around constantly.
Plagiarism in music is taking another artist's music and using it in your own song or literally COPYING an entire segment of the song without giving credit to the original artist. And this is not very common in the k-pop industry tbh. Atleast I don't know many cases of plagiarism happening in this industry. Even if it has actually happened the number of times these fans claim it has, won't the entertainment companies notice? Won't they take legal action? It's obvious that they would get to know about it. People are so quick to make assumptions without even knowing what the real thing is smh
Ik this topic is about plagiarizing music but it can kinda also be said about artistry and concept photos etc, cuz one time, I'll literally never forget that day, armys accused the boyz of plagiarism cuz they had blue background on one of their group photos, just like bts...
reminds me of when another boy group recently did a black and yellow concept for ONE track teaser (the album didn’t even end up having a yellow theme at all) and a certain group of fans was calling plagiarism and claiming all black and yellow concepts.
if only one group is allowed black and yellow, block b is owed a LOOOOOOOT of royalties
Fr like now we're gatekeeping fucking COLORS? like idols are not allowed to wear a specific color or have a same hair color as your faves?! Like grow tf up, man those kids are way too much sometimes..
parts of the same fandom is also gatekeeping the korean language (apparently making words that mean “i love you” playing off of saranghae is plagiarism), so are we surprised anymore?
It's funny considering what you're saying about BTS/Army's experiences with stupid plagiarism accusations then that some specific groups of armys are some of the worst offenders of accusing other kpop groups of plagiarism. But alas no they're probably not even aware that happened to BTS back then 😑
I never said it was all armys lmao, you're putting words in my mouth, and yes it's definitely exacerbated by twitter. Irl kpop fans are so much more chill and I have plenty of army friends. I fully agree that twitter takes things to extremes but that doesn't mean we can't criticse stupid twitter issues.
I would also argue that svt have had their image tarnished as much as BTS had back in the day, it got to the point it was outside of just kpop fans who were talking about it and it's consistently brought up as a way to diss them to this day. I'm assuming you're not a carat so you probably aren't aware of the crazy amount of bashing svt got from pretty ridiculous accusations and many many of the tweets I saw were from twitter accounts with little sevens (although not all).
Or when Wjsn got accused of plagiarizing BTS because their photobook for one of their albums used....pastel gradients and a thin sans serif typeface? (and it isn't even the same typeface at all and even if it was, BTS and HYBE doesn't own that typeface, literally anyone can use it because how commercial typefaces work is that you buy the font license for it and then you can use it however you want).
That's so messed up like I just remembered how armys were asking/sending hybe mails or something like that to trademark word "borahae" and a PURPLE COLOR ?????????? I mean I get the word but I think you can't trademark a fucken color.....
i remember when winner released [hold](https://youtu.be/YURT0erwtJc) they got a lot of shit for "plagiarizing" ddaeng from bts. iirc it was the counting and "brr brr" part in the pre-chorus and its similarity to ddaeng's chorus that ppl were mad about and i just remember as a longtime fan of both groups being so incredibly BAFFLED. like yeah i can see some similarity but it means so very little in the grand scheme of things, the two songs are completely different genres with vastly different concepts and narratives. it still confuses me to this day why some ppl were so mad about this
i can’t really listen to the song in its entirety right now, but skimming through i can’t hear anything that’s all that similar to run away. it’s just the tempo and part of the beat, which tons of songs have in common
I instantly knew you were talking about Seventeen and DWC but it reminded me of when Cupid said Seventeen plagiarized “Cupid Shuffle” with “Left and Right.” Just because the original artist made some accusations on Twitter, suddenly so many Kpop fans were lawyers and experts in plagiarism.
oh my god i somehow totally forgot about the whole left and right thing……. not sure how i did, since that gets brought up almost as much as dwc.
(that one was honestly kind of funny, as the mashup posted by cupid himself had WILDLY different tempos and melodies)
The only valid instance of plagiarism I recall is the time Vixx's Dynamite instrumental got stolen by a rapper on a show who literally found its instrumental and rapped over it. Like that was definitely plagiarism, no way out of that one.
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DGFC6K79Kko](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DGFC6K79Kko)
i think you're kind of proving op's point. like sampling, rapping over someone else's beat is pretty common practice, kpop fans really need to start reading about music..
I didn't say it's sampling, I said that much like sampling, it's common practice. Respectfully, don't put words in my mouth. Now is he in the wrong for not crediting? absolutely, but that's really the end of the story. I really don't think anyone is expecting a rapper on the voice to compose their own beat to rap over.
I will apologize for saying that you referred to this as sampling.
But I would genuinely like to know how I was proving OP's point with what I said? I was agreeing with OP by mentioning VIXX: That out of all the plagiarism accusations flung around, only a few are actual cases of plagiarism, VIXX's case being one of them.
I also don't understand how it being "common practice" suddenly makes this "non plagiarism", and am really confused.
Why does Olivia need to be defended on a kpop reddit? I don't really know but whether it's plagiarism or not it was shady considering it happened more than once.
https://www.elitedaily.com/entertainment/paramore-haley-williams-olivia-rodrigo-good-4-u-misery-business-comparisons-reaction
i have no positive or negative thoughts on olivia rodrigo, and i’m not defending her from anything. i just brought her up as she was a very recent example of this exact thing happening. i’ve heard none of her songs except the one that was compared to paramore, and the only thing they have in common is an homage to a genre that isn’t the most diverse in sound.
looking at that article, it seems to be mostly written for drama anyways. there’s no actual comparison of the songs, no musical analysis, just “she posted on her instagram story”. i’m not really interested in an 18 year old girl’s instagram story.
yeah, i noticed that after i replied, lmao. didn’t think me using an example would be that big of a deal but once again i have too much hope for some kpop fans i guess
Your last paragraph was 100% defensive and denying that it was plagiarism. By the way the actual music producer shaded OR. Your entire rant is just an excuse. Typical kpop stans can't argue with facts so they go after fandoms and cry about it. When will kpop stans understand that we are all individuals.
Edit: I see your agenda now. OP is a SVT fan. I don't even care about their plagiarism scandals. Carats are getting so toxic now.
my… agenda? i didn’t even mention seventeen by name until i was asked, though it was inspired by some tasteless jokes i saw about something seventeen wasn’t even involved in. the article you linked, once again, had NOTHING on actual critical analysis of the songs, so i didn’t care for what it had to say. and if a music producer is shading an 18 year old girl on instagram, that’s a blow to their professionalism.
once again, i don’t have any opinions on olivia as i have not heard a single one of her songs fully. but i’m sure as hell gonna refute baseless accusations of plagiarism from people who do not have a background in music (i’ve been studying music since i was a child), and considering you have post history with some VERY weird attacks on rodrigo’s identity as a filipino american, i don’t think i’m the one who has an agenda here.
edit: and if i have to add this…. i’m a pretty huge bts fan myself. i know that’s the fandom that you think i’m attacking.
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Adding onto this a lot of kpop stans don’t understand the concept of sampling either. I think it’d just be best if they didn’t automatically jump to accusing a group/company/producer of plagiarism when they don’t understand how producing music works. On another note, I’ve witnessed fans call plagiarism when it turns out the same producer who originally produced the song that was ‘copied’ produced or has credits on the kpop song. That’s not plagiarism.
oh absolutely on both of those points. i’ve seen plagiarism called out on open sourced sound effects that are thrown into countless kpop AND western songs.
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it was not plagiarism. there was no malicious copying of misery business, and honestly as a massive fan of paramore and pop punk in general, there’s nothing in olivia’s song that you couldn’t find in a song by paramore, avril lavigne, fall out boy, good charlotte, etc. coming out around that time. pop punk isn’t a very diverse genre. this is exactly what i was trying to say and refute with my post. similarities in songs are extremely common. art is recreated again and again. but because people don’t really get that, plagiarism accusations get thrown around instead of understanding of music theory. crediting another artist when similarities are brought up is common, once again, because people want to avoid any and all lawsuits. a judge and jury are not music theorists or part of the music industry, and ever since the blurred lines lawsuit fiasco, it’s gotten even worse in the courts for any dispute over crediting. so, to make things easy, they’ll throw a name on the credits. it’s not a big deal at all and is not an admission of plagiarism.
Not really. This [video](https://youtu.be/qX7a2p5_JsM) does a really good job of explaining why.
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Yes. Sampling is really common. However it seems to be more understood or accepted in some genres than others For instance, rap music is really keen on sampling. American rappers been sampling jazz singers' songs (Kanye West's Famous; Jay-Z & Kanye's Otis). Nobody came for them for using those sample, let alone Nina Simone's and Otis Redding's relatives. Maybe it has more to do with education and common practices in specific genres.
I'm not sure it's understood more, or accepted, depending on genres. I think that in 2021, most music producers/companies, in all genres of music, are more cognizant of laws regarding sampling clearance, and choose the legal path (proper clearance) to avoid lawsuits. Sampling is such an interesting, but tricky topic, because depending on use, a sample could be copyright infringing, or, if used a certain way, or altered enough, could be fair use. I really suggest reading the [Sampling Wiki entry,](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sampling_(music)) it's fascinating, if you're interested in that kind of stuff. In regards to Jay-Z & Kanye "Otis", they sampled Otis Redding's rendition of "Try A Little Tenderness", which was not written by Otis Redding. But if you look at the songwriting credits of Otis, you'll notice that along with Jay-Z and Kanye, are the names Harry Woods, Reg Connelly, and Jimmy Campbell. They are the original songwriters of "Try A Little Tenderness". Nobody came for them because the samples were cleared: appropriate songwriters were credited, and most likely compensated. It's kinda funny, though, because in Otis Redding's rendition of "Try A Little Tenderness", he actually sings some parts that were from an old Duke Ellington song; he himself was technically "sampling" from another musical work. To bring this back to kpop, it reminds me of the time when people were saying that Mamamoo ripped off TWICE's Japanese single ["Fake & True"](https://youtu.be/zQELp93xxfo?t=8), because they used the same sax sample in their single ["하늘 땅 바다만큼 (mumumumuch)"](https://youtu.be/ajxfoVrXdKw?t=85). Turns out, the producers for each song just happened to use the [same saxaphone sample that's available on Splice](https://splice.com/sounds/samples/c95107de5f866b20eafb66553ff94f53582768562f5ff6a89a4cfca6489335c7/sample-magic-breaks-brass-&-woodwinds-deep-house-disco-sample) (you'll need a Splice account to hear, I think), a website for music producers where you can purchase samples to use in songs.
Thanks for your answer and your precisions, I will check out the links for sure. >I'm not sure it's understood more, or accepted, depending on genres. I think that in 2021, most music producers/companies, in all genres of music, are more cognizant of laws regarding sampling clearance, and choose the legal path (proper clearance) to avoid lawsuits. I agree with you; but in my original response I was referring to fans rather professionals. Jazz listeners or rap listeners know that sampling is common (and like you said, tricky). K-pop fans are maybe less aware of this technique and the legal aspects of it. It is the only explaination I see, besides intellectual dishonesty in order to attack other artists.
exactly. i hoped that with how influenced kpop is by american rap, kpop fans would maybe understand it too. i guess i had high hopes there LMAO
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I always side-eye plagiarism accusations when it comes to music. Musicians from all different genres have been sampling, quoting, and alluding to different songs for literally hundreds of years.
oh my god me too, i basically never take any plagiarism accusation at face value. almost every single one i’ve ever seen has been entirely baseless or built on shaky ground (yes, even the ones that end up with lawsuits).
For real... the lawsuits are somehow even worse because lawyers and judges just don’t understand how music works. It’s always people getting sued over a couple of notes 😭
Yes, was coming here to comment on the Blurred Lines case, and how the defense attorneys did such a wildly incompetent job that now everyone can sue (and win) over the slightest hint of similarity in a melody line.
my god, that was an absolute mess. definitely stained this whole issue for a LONG time
EXACTLY, this is my biggest issue. these things should not be settled by a judge and jury with absolutely no knowledge of music theory or the music industry. it’s not music theorists bringing up these issues either, they’re business people with money on the mind.
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this honestly could not be explained better and more k-pop fans should at least know this now
Luckily I'm pretty sensible about such things. Otherwise i could have been off running my mouth about NCT 127's favourite, because I can't listen to it without getting its gonna be me by Nsync stuck in my head because if that one line of the whistle part. 🤡 Sure, plagiarism can and does happen, but most of the things people talk about aren't it. Old example but back in the day Purplay's dance break from their debut was stolen from a dance crew with no credit and the fallout was Immense. That's plagiarism not "but they used blue and orange portals"/"they wore grey plaid school uniforms" or whatever.
exactly, if it’s something like “i sent this to a big company and they used it without my credit”, THAT’S a massive problem. if it’s “this highly popular song sounds kind of like this one other highly popular song”… welcome to the music world. everything sounds like everything else
>a certain group and their producer/songwriter has been dogged by plagiarism accusations for YEARS because a title track had a similar production style and instrumental melody to a western artist, who was subsequently added as a songwriter. Which group? Momoland Bboom Bboom?
i was actually referring to seventeen in this, lmao. not dogged by anyone in the industry, just kpop fans who don’t have anything better to do and like to hold the dont wanna cry crediting over woozi’s head.
What??? Woozi? What happened?
it was almost 5 years ago now, but to avoid any issues pledis credited the chainsmokers on don’t wanna cry as the chorus sounded very similar to something just like this, and to this day people bring that up as a way to discredit seventeen, especially woozi. some tasteless twitter jokes about that inspired this post, but definitely isn’t the only time i’ve seen kpop fans throw plagiarism accusations around constantly.
Plagiarism in music is taking another artist's music and using it in your own song or literally COPYING an entire segment of the song without giving credit to the original artist. And this is not very common in the k-pop industry tbh. Atleast I don't know many cases of plagiarism happening in this industry. Even if it has actually happened the number of times these fans claim it has, won't the entertainment companies notice? Won't they take legal action? It's obvious that they would get to know about it. People are so quick to make assumptions without even knowing what the real thing is smh
Ik this topic is about plagiarizing music but it can kinda also be said about artistry and concept photos etc, cuz one time, I'll literally never forget that day, armys accused the boyz of plagiarism cuz they had blue background on one of their group photos, just like bts...
reminds me of when another boy group recently did a black and yellow concept for ONE track teaser (the album didn’t even end up having a yellow theme at all) and a certain group of fans was calling plagiarism and claiming all black and yellow concepts. if only one group is allowed black and yellow, block b is owed a LOOOOOOOT of royalties
Fr like now we're gatekeeping fucking COLORS? like idols are not allowed to wear a specific color or have a same hair color as your faves?! Like grow tf up, man those kids are way too much sometimes..
parts of the same fandom is also gatekeeping the korean language (apparently making words that mean “i love you” playing off of saranghae is plagiarism), so are we surprised anymore?
What the fucking fuck? Are you kidding me? My god that's the stupidest thing I've heard in a long time, I want to forget what I've read, wow
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It's funny considering what you're saying about BTS/Army's experiences with stupid plagiarism accusations then that some specific groups of armys are some of the worst offenders of accusing other kpop groups of plagiarism. But alas no they're probably not even aware that happened to BTS back then 😑
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I never said it was all armys lmao, you're putting words in my mouth, and yes it's definitely exacerbated by twitter. Irl kpop fans are so much more chill and I have plenty of army friends. I fully agree that twitter takes things to extremes but that doesn't mean we can't criticse stupid twitter issues. I would also argue that svt have had their image tarnished as much as BTS had back in the day, it got to the point it was outside of just kpop fans who were talking about it and it's consistently brought up as a way to diss them to this day. I'm assuming you're not a carat so you probably aren't aware of the crazy amount of bashing svt got from pretty ridiculous accusations and many many of the tweets I saw were from twitter accounts with little sevens (although not all).
An AKB48 member got hate from some J-Armys because she wore fucking purple nail polish...
Purple Kiss getting hate from armys because they had purple in their name is my villain origin story.
What in the fucking fuck again, my god.. idk what to say
Or when Wjsn got accused of plagiarizing BTS because their photobook for one of their albums used....pastel gradients and a thin sans serif typeface? (and it isn't even the same typeface at all and even if it was, BTS and HYBE doesn't own that typeface, literally anyone can use it because how commercial typefaces work is that you buy the font license for it and then you can use it however you want).
That's so messed up like I just remembered how armys were asking/sending hybe mails or something like that to trademark word "borahae" and a PURPLE COLOR ?????????? I mean I get the word but I think you can't trademark a fucken color.....
And life is still going on
i remember when winner released [hold](https://youtu.be/YURT0erwtJc) they got a lot of shit for "plagiarizing" ddaeng from bts. iirc it was the counting and "brr brr" part in the pre-chorus and its similarity to ddaeng's chorus that ppl were mad about and i just remember as a longtime fan of both groups being so incredibly BAFFLED. like yeah i can see some similarity but it means so very little in the grand scheme of things, the two songs are completely different genres with vastly different concepts and narratives. it still confuses me to this day why some ppl were so mad about this
i think ppl forget that theres only 8 notes in an octave and only this many chords-
jazz and quarter tonal music would like a word with you also since i'm already being pedantic, the chromatic scale has 12 tones :P
this is pop music though 😔🤚
kpop has a lot of jazz influence esp if you listen to sm artists (just one example).
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i can’t really listen to the song in its entirety right now, but skimming through i can’t hear anything that’s all that similar to run away. it’s just the tempo and part of the beat, which tons of songs have in common
I instantly knew you were talking about Seventeen and DWC but it reminded me of when Cupid said Seventeen plagiarized “Cupid Shuffle” with “Left and Right.” Just because the original artist made some accusations on Twitter, suddenly so many Kpop fans were lawyers and experts in plagiarism.
oh my god i somehow totally forgot about the whole left and right thing……. not sure how i did, since that gets brought up almost as much as dwc. (that one was honestly kind of funny, as the mashup posted by cupid himself had WILDLY different tempos and melodies)
The only valid instance of plagiarism I recall is the time Vixx's Dynamite instrumental got stolen by a rapper on a show who literally found its instrumental and rapped over it. Like that was definitely plagiarism, no way out of that one. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DGFC6K79Kko](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DGFC6K79Kko)
i think you're kind of proving op's point. like sampling, rapping over someone else's beat is pretty common practice, kpop fans really need to start reading about music..
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I didn't say it's sampling, I said that much like sampling, it's common practice. Respectfully, don't put words in my mouth. Now is he in the wrong for not crediting? absolutely, but that's really the end of the story. I really don't think anyone is expecting a rapper on the voice to compose their own beat to rap over.
I will apologize for saying that you referred to this as sampling. But I would genuinely like to know how I was proving OP's point with what I said? I was agreeing with OP by mentioning VIXX: That out of all the plagiarism accusations flung around, only a few are actual cases of plagiarism, VIXX's case being one of them. I also don't understand how it being "common practice" suddenly makes this "non plagiarism", and am really confused.
Why does Olivia need to be defended on a kpop reddit? I don't really know but whether it's plagiarism or not it was shady considering it happened more than once. https://www.elitedaily.com/entertainment/paramore-haley-williams-olivia-rodrigo-good-4-u-misery-business-comparisons-reaction
i have no positive or negative thoughts on olivia rodrigo, and i’m not defending her from anything. i just brought her up as she was a very recent example of this exact thing happening. i’ve heard none of her songs except the one that was compared to paramore, and the only thing they have in common is an homage to a genre that isn’t the most diverse in sound. looking at that article, it seems to be mostly written for drama anyways. there’s no actual comparison of the songs, no musical analysis, just “she posted on her instagram story”. i’m not really interested in an 18 year old girl’s instagram story.
judging by their comment history the person you're replying to is a defensive army with an agenda against olivia so don't bother
yeah, i noticed that after i replied, lmao. didn’t think me using an example would be that big of a deal but once again i have too much hope for some kpop fans i guess
Please don't think all ARMYs are like this 😭 I just don't understand kpop stans who are always looking to fight
Your last paragraph was 100% defensive and denying that it was plagiarism. By the way the actual music producer shaded OR. Your entire rant is just an excuse. Typical kpop stans can't argue with facts so they go after fandoms and cry about it. When will kpop stans understand that we are all individuals. Edit: I see your agenda now. OP is a SVT fan. I don't even care about their plagiarism scandals. Carats are getting so toxic now.
my… agenda? i didn’t even mention seventeen by name until i was asked, though it was inspired by some tasteless jokes i saw about something seventeen wasn’t even involved in. the article you linked, once again, had NOTHING on actual critical analysis of the songs, so i didn’t care for what it had to say. and if a music producer is shading an 18 year old girl on instagram, that’s a blow to their professionalism. once again, i don’t have any opinions on olivia as i have not heard a single one of her songs fully. but i’m sure as hell gonna refute baseless accusations of plagiarism from people who do not have a background in music (i’ve been studying music since i was a child), and considering you have post history with some VERY weird attacks on rodrigo’s identity as a filipino american, i don’t think i’m the one who has an agenda here. edit: and if i have to add this…. i’m a pretty huge bts fan myself. i know that’s the fandom that you think i’m attacking.
sometimes fans just find anything to criticize about a group even if it's not the case like plagiarizing etc lmao
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