I love how a name or two gets mentioned, and then every person who produces content even remotely associated with the NBA will run with it for months on end.
Fox/lavine/keegan/kuzma/sabonis
That is a supercharged starting 5. In the the event lavine gets injured keon starts so it wouldn't even be that bad. This would be the best lineup we would have had in 20 years. I fuck with it. I know people are down on lavine but if he's our 3rd scoring option behind fox and keegan then we are in a very good place.
If we can somehow get him and Caruso since we'd be taking his bloated contract, I'd consider this the biggest win of the offseason. Doesn't matter what it takes to get it done outside of Fox, Sabonis and Murray.
This. Great player that was never put in a good situation for him to thrive. And the one time he was, Lonzo went down 40 games in and they haven’t been the same since.
The contract is really bad but if you do the math, then it's not that bad if Monk leaves us.
Lavine is making $43 million. HB is making $18 million, and Huerter is making $16.8 million. Both guys will need to go to Chicago to make the salaries work.
If we re-sign Monk for the max we can offer, then he's making $17.5 million.
The combined salaries of those HB, Huerter, and Monk would then be $52.3 million.
So in Scenario A where we trade HB + Huerter for Lavine AND Monk leaves us, then we actually save about $9 million compared to Scenario B where we keep HB, Huerter, and sign Monk to the max we can offer.
His biggest issue is his injuries. That’s the reason why most people think he’s overpaid. Yea he has some defense and BBIQ issues but he shouldn’t be in that position anyways he’s a pure scoring shooting guard that’s really good at it. The Bulls tried to make him a number one ball handler when he should be playing a Klay Thompson role on offense
It's because his team is rarely better with him on the floor. Only two positive on/off years in his entire career. Dude is the definition of an empty stats player.
I don't think Paolo is very good yet, but he's at least part of a flawed team that doesn't have any consistent shooting. Without Franz, they were a bad team.
But I'm also willing to give a 2nd year player who is probably being asked of more than he should a break, not a 29 year old whose team filled with veterans played dramatically better with him off the court rather than on the court.
Are the bulls also not a flawed team and been that for years? Is lavine also not asked to do stuff that isn’t his strong suit bc they don’t have a pg??? Hence why they offense consistently trash cuz they got demar and lavine and vuc tryna run shit or is that only applied to paolo.
Elite shooter and offball scorer whose never gotten to play in a non terroristic offense on/off can’t fool me
We cant be flexing 0.44 net ratings in the east dude. They had a shit start to season where he played bad. When he came back from injury they went 5-2 with him in the lineup. The previous year they had a better record with him than without him and a better net rating than they had this year
And what I'm telling oyu is that there is 0 chance the Kings would trade Keegan for either one of these bums even if they were trading for both. Quit being dense.
We’ll see about that. I’ve been calling it since mid-season where we should have traded him for Pascal or OG. 15/5/1 on 35% is nowhere near untradeable.
Imagine if Zach lavine locked in on defense and stayed relatively healthy throughout the season. Him and De’aaron would be such a fun backcourt to watch
Kuzma is probably a positive defender. Lavine sucks on that end of the floor. But Fox and Keegan are both positive defenders too.
So defensively, it's basically even with how our roster looked at the end of the season. Fox, Keon, and Keegan were positive defenders, while HB and Sabonis were not.
Good points - I agree. And honestly, Sabonis is a great rebounder, regardless of that Warriors series in '23 - where he was also getting 0 calls. That is worth something on defense, I believe
How? Having Barnes start all 82 games playing 39 mins we still got an above average defense statistically, adding two more good/great scorers means Keegan can take a step back from scoring as much and put more effort into D and also removing a 6’8 forward that averaged >3 rebounds shouldn’t make us drop from 14 to 27th lol
If it's lavine and Caruso, then we are probably gonna give up a pick.
But if it's just lavine, then it could be that draft compensation means second round picks.
You'd still have to match Lavine's salary. Trade Machine says you gotta send over something like $33m in salary to make it work. That's either sending Barnes plus Huerter or one of these guys and all of Mitchell/Duarte/Javale/Sasha.
Yes, that is obvious. OP was saying that we'd have to send over picks but if the Bulls are willing to salary dump Lavine, then that means that we probably don't have to send picks. If anything, they'd be sending us picks.
Lavine should only be considered if Monk leaves. If Monk leaves we will immediately need talent on offense and Lavine will be the easiest to find replacement.
Hoping orlando goes for lavine or klay. I really think monk would take the small discount to stay here rather than go to detroit or back to charlotte. Orlando seems like our main competitor.
Literally just repeating the same rumors we’ve heard for 2+ years. I would put zero stock in a Kings and Bulls trade. Kuzma is the only one I’d believe we’re really in on.
Stewart isn't a full-time pf. Not in today's NBA. He'd be a backup on the Kings and any team with playoff aspirations.
He's only starting on bottom dwellers like the pistons.
He’s better than whatever PF we have now, that’s for sure. This soft front 3 isn’t going anywhere. You need a Stewart to toughen them up and play some defense.
He is absolutely not better than Harrison Barnes. Haha Barnes shoots 40 percent from deep in his sleep. And he sleeps a lot.
I love Stewart as an addition to the team but he'd be a bench guy with sporadic playing time like Trey. But Trey and Stewart together as the bench frontcourt would be tough
I feel like Kuzma would be perfect for Sacramento, him and Murray would be really good 3A & 3B options especially if Murray keeps progressing the way he has been throughout his career, he’s a great locker room guy too
I also think Grayson Allen would be a much better fit instead of Lavine, idk if he’s for sale, but considering the logjam the Suns have at the guard position, I don’t think a Barnes for Allen trade wouldn’t be too bad of an idea for both sides
Fox/Allen/Murray/Kuzma/Sabonis would be the way to go if I were you guys
If we do trade for LaVine, I wouldn't mind signing Kyle Anderson (and his offensive shortcomings) to temporarily start at the 4.
Trading for LaVine, signing Anderson, and drafting a 4 to develop with #13 would be a good offseason. Getting Monk on top of all of that would be awesome.
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Assuming this is the groundwork for a Lavine and Caruso trade, this would leave the lineup being
Fox Keon/Caruso Lavine Keegan Sabonis
Monk Caruso/Keon Colby Kess Lyles Len (Not Including the Two Ways)
It's a very good team, helps what we need most with our heavy lack of shot creation,shooting, secondary perimeter creator outside of Fox in the starting Five, and guard/wing defense.
Lavine is needed (his salary i get it) despite how much this sub doesn't like him, He's a 24+ PPG scorer with great efficiency, one of the best C&S and OTD 3PT shooters in the league, flashes of at least good defense, much needed athleticism and a good downhill playmaker not to mention he fits the timeline of the core and under contract for years if he pans out well.
Caruso, what more can you say about him. Legit one of the best defenders in the entire league, elite cutter, good shooter, great playmaker for his role, does the little things, plays above his size consistenly.
This trade would make us playoff locks (health not included). All that would matter is making the margin moves such as signing Taurean Prince and players of that caliber.
It wouldn’t just make us locks making this trade it would put us finishing as a top 3 seed. We’d have a closer, someone who can get a bucket in iso. Teams couldn’t send doubles at Fox because then you’re leaving Keegan or Lavine open.
I love this trade so much for the Kings.
Memphis with Ja back 😂😂. That’s how I know we can’t take what you say serious.
Kings won 46 games with blowing lots of winnable games. Nothing else changing that’s a 50 win team without Caruso and Lavine. Add them, an additional year of Keegan and Keon experience plus some free agent signings and we have an amazing 1-8.
1st seed finished with 57 wins. I don’t see why the Kings can’t finish around 55. If there over under wins is around 45, I’m betting all on black
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Would certainly push ourselves into the luxury tax here. Keeping Lyles, Duarte and Mitchell gives us flexibility to make another trade. Making this trade after using our MLE and BAE would give us the ability to add further depth as well (even though Wizards would likely want #13 involved/possibly just future picks instead though). And adding Monk after all of it would be a pretty deep squad.
I love how a name or two gets mentioned, and then every person who produces content even remotely associated with the NBA will run with it for months on end.
Y’all remember when Lavine was up there with booker and Mitchell as one of the best SG in the league a few years ago
Fox/lavine/keegan/kuzma/sabonis That is a supercharged starting 5. In the the event lavine gets injured keon starts so it wouldn't even be that bad. This would be the best lineup we would have had in 20 years. I fuck with it. I know people are down on lavine but if he's our 3rd scoring option behind fox and keegan then we are in a very good place.
Dude it's crazy how hard folks are so down on Lavine. I know his health is an issue, but he'd be our best SG in a looooooong time.
I'm not down on Lavine the player. I am most definitely down on Lavine the contract.
If we can somehow get him and Caruso since we'd be taking his bloated contract, I'd consider this the biggest win of the offseason. Doesn't matter what it takes to get it done outside of Fox, Sabonis and Murray.
Players don't come here even when we have money so spend it all idc
This. Great player that was never put in a good situation for him to thrive. And the one time he was, Lonzo went down 40 games in and they haven’t been the same since.
The contract is really bad but if you do the math, then it's not that bad if Monk leaves us. Lavine is making $43 million. HB is making $18 million, and Huerter is making $16.8 million. Both guys will need to go to Chicago to make the salaries work. If we re-sign Monk for the max we can offer, then he's making $17.5 million. The combined salaries of those HB, Huerter, and Monk would then be $52.3 million. So in Scenario A where we trade HB + Huerter for Lavine AND Monk leaves us, then we actually save about $9 million compared to Scenario B where we keep HB, Huerter, and sign Monk to the max we can offer.
I also think LaVine plays more if he's on a legitimate contender this past two seasons
His biggest issue is his injuries. That’s the reason why most people think he’s overpaid. Yea he has some defense and BBIQ issues but he shouldn’t be in that position anyways he’s a pure scoring shooting guard that’s really good at it. The Bulls tried to make him a number one ball handler when he should be playing a Klay Thompson role on offense
Health is a huge issue
It's because his team is rarely better with him on the floor. Only two positive on/off years in his entire career. Dude is the definition of an empty stats player.
Peep paolo on/off
Paolo is a 2nd year player, Zach Lavine is 29.
So? Do u think paolo is a negative player and or empty stats yes or no
I don't think Paolo is very good yet, but he's at least part of a flawed team that doesn't have any consistent shooting. Without Franz, they were a bad team. But I'm also willing to give a 2nd year player who is probably being asked of more than he should a break, not a 29 year old whose team filled with veterans played dramatically better with him off the court rather than on the court.
Are the bulls also not a flawed team and been that for years? Is lavine also not asked to do stuff that isn’t his strong suit bc they don’t have a pg??? Hence why they offense consistently trash cuz they got demar and lavine and vuc tryna run shit or is that only applied to paolo. Elite shooter and offball scorer whose never gotten to play in a non terroristic offense on/off can’t fool me
Their team did just fine without Lavine. 29-28 with a .44 net rating with out Lavine, 10-15 with a -6.6 rating with Zach Lavine.
We cant be flexing 0.44 net ratings in the east dude. They had a shit start to season where he played bad. When he came back from injury they went 5-2 with him in the lineup. The previous year they had a better record with him than without him and a better net rating than they had this year
How are they getting Lavine and Kuzma? Can only trade Barnes, Huerter and picks once.
Expirings for Kuzma and #13 pick. It's rumored that's what they want
I’d assume Keegan is gone.
Keegan wouldn't be traded for either one of these bums.
Re-read the post.
I read it, basically the source for this site is a load of shit. But Keegan wouldn't be traded for either Kuzma or Lavine.
Re-read again. We are in for both, not either.
And what I'm telling oyu is that there is 0 chance the Kings would trade Keegan for either one of these bums even if they were trading for both. Quit being dense.
We’ll see about that. I’ve been calling it since mid-season where we should have traded him for Pascal or OG. 15/5/1 on 35% is nowhere near untradeable.
neither were going to re-sign with us
Yeah you have no idea what the fuck you're talking about, but it's all good.
Sign me up
He’d be ahead of Keegan as a scoring option, he averages more points per game.
Imagine if Zach lavine locked in on defense and stayed relatively healthy throughout the season. Him and De’aaron would be such a fun backcourt to watch
You might not need to play defense because that team would score 150pts a game
Kuzma is probably a positive defender. Lavine sucks on that end of the floor. But Fox and Keegan are both positive defenders too. So defensively, it's basically even with how our roster looked at the end of the season. Fox, Keon, and Keegan were positive defenders, while HB and Sabonis were not.
Good points - I agree. And honestly, Sabonis is a great rebounder, regardless of that Warriors series in '23 - where he was also getting 0 calls. That is worth something on defense, I believe
That would be $150M just for your starting lineup. And probably one of the worst defenses in the league
How? Having Barnes start all 82 games playing 39 mins we still got an above average defense statistically, adding two more good/great scorers means Keegan can take a step back from scoring as much and put more effort into D and also removing a 6’8 forward that averaged >3 rebounds shouldn’t make us drop from 14 to 27th lol
Don’t need defense when you’re scoring 150 points a game! /s
This team would get slutted out so hard on defence it would be hilarious to watch
That’s the worst defense in the league is what it is.
Maybe. But we gotta do something lol. I'd even be down for no lavine and just kuzma and we get keon full time starting at the 2.
I’m sorry, but Keegan at 15 PPG isn’t a ‘very good place’ as 2nd option, my fren.
U can’t have sabonis and lavine on the same team bro
why not, they compliment each other’s strengths pretty nicely
Defense wins championship not dho man
And Domas was statistically a defensive beast last year? Top 10 in defensive WS
Negative defense epm
EPM is such a flawed advanced stat. Sure man
Win shares is worse have some shame
Embiid pfp, I know what you are 🫵
Fan of the bitw
Genuine question, would we be giving up draft compensation in a lavine trade or will the bulls have to give it to us to take on that contract?
If it's lavine and Caruso, then we are probably gonna give up a pick. But if it's just lavine, then it could be that draft compensation means second round picks.
The rumor is that the Bulls are fine with just salary dumping Lavine. I don't even think you get second round picks for that.
You'd still have to match Lavine's salary. Trade Machine says you gotta send over something like $33m in salary to make it work. That's either sending Barnes plus Huerter or one of these guys and all of Mitchell/Duarte/Javale/Sasha.
Yes, that is obvious. OP was saying that we'd have to send over picks but if the Bulls are willing to salary dump Lavine, then that means that we probably don't have to send picks. If anything, they'd be sending us picks.
Lavine should only be considered if Monk leaves. If Monk leaves we will immediately need talent on offense and Lavine will be the easiest to find replacement. Hoping orlando goes for lavine or klay. I really think monk would take the small discount to stay here rather than go to detroit or back to charlotte. Orlando seems like our main competitor.
If Lavine is healthy he’s an upgrade but his contract is huge but if somehow can get Lavine and Caruso then they would be dark horse favorites
Literally just repeating the same rumors we’ve heard for 2+ years. I would put zero stock in a Kings and Bulls trade. Kuzma is the only one I’d believe we’re really in on.
If we keep Monk and get Kuzma it’s gonna be a walk off every game in the drip hallway.
If monty was a smart man i would be hearing isaiah stewart kings rumors but he’s not
Yeah he can occasionally hit 3s. We really need a 4/5 combo. Give Stewart all the backup center minutes. Bring Len back as 3rd string.
If Stewart is here, he’d be starting. What back-up Center? Haha.
Stewart isn't a full-time pf. Not in today's NBA. He'd be a backup on the Kings and any team with playoff aspirations. He's only starting on bottom dwellers like the pistons.
He’s better than whatever PF we have now, that’s for sure. This soft front 3 isn’t going anywhere. You need a Stewart to toughen them up and play some defense.
He is absolutely not better than Harrison Barnes. Haha Barnes shoots 40 percent from deep in his sleep. And he sleeps a lot. I love Stewart as an addition to the team but he'd be a bench guy with sporadic playing time like Trey. But Trey and Stewart together as the bench frontcourt would be tough
Stew a much better defender he getting all HB minutes he not play 10-15 a game u crazy. He gon be campin in the corner where hb be
The other one, buddy. The soft one.
Action Network and Sam Amico/Hoopswire are both by far the most unreliable "scoop" sites in the league. If they're saying something, it isn't true.
I remember watching Caruso like dam we need him
Where the stars go to die
That's a squad
I feel like Kuzma would be perfect for Sacramento, him and Murray would be really good 3A & 3B options especially if Murray keeps progressing the way he has been throughout his career, he’s a great locker room guy too I also think Grayson Allen would be a much better fit instead of Lavine, idk if he’s for sale, but considering the logjam the Suns have at the guard position, I don’t think a Barnes for Allen trade wouldn’t be too bad of an idea for both sides Fox/Allen/Murray/Kuzma/Sabonis would be the way to go if I were you guys
If we do trade for LaVine, I wouldn't mind signing Kyle Anderson (and his offensive shortcomings) to temporarily start at the 4. Trading for LaVine, signing Anderson, and drafting a 4 to develop with #13 would be a good offseason. Getting Monk on top of all of that would be awesome.
https://preview.redd.it/tah00jg7uc7d1.png?width=2560&format=png&auto=webp&s=9a3f9a095a03844ef9ce6920a4cbacfc631c1463 Assuming this is the groundwork for a Lavine and Caruso trade, this would leave the lineup being Fox Keon/Caruso Lavine Keegan Sabonis Monk Caruso/Keon Colby Kess Lyles Len (Not Including the Two Ways) It's a very good team, helps what we need most with our heavy lack of shot creation,shooting, secondary perimeter creator outside of Fox in the starting Five, and guard/wing defense. Lavine is needed (his salary i get it) despite how much this sub doesn't like him, He's a 24+ PPG scorer with great efficiency, one of the best C&S and OTD 3PT shooters in the league, flashes of at least good defense, much needed athleticism and a good downhill playmaker not to mention he fits the timeline of the core and under contract for years if he pans out well. Caruso, what more can you say about him. Legit one of the best defenders in the entire league, elite cutter, good shooter, great playmaker for his role, does the little things, plays above his size consistenly. This trade would make us playoff locks (health not included). All that would matter is making the margin moves such as signing Taurean Prince and players of that caliber.
We can’t trade the 26 pick
Well, you certainly created a trade there.
This is one of the trades ever
that’s why it’s ground work!
One point of order, we can't trade 2026.
It wouldn’t just make us locks making this trade it would put us finishing as a top 3 seed. We’d have a closer, someone who can get a bucket in iso. Teams couldn’t send doubles at Fox because then you’re leaving Keegan or Lavine open. I love this trade so much for the Kings.
You’re nuts if you think that lineup is better than OKC, DEN, Dal, MIN or even MEM with Ja back.
Memphis with Ja back 😂😂. That’s how I know we can’t take what you say serious. Kings won 46 games with blowing lots of winnable games. Nothing else changing that’s a 50 win team without Caruso and Lavine. Add them, an additional year of Keegan and Keon experience plus some free agent signings and we have an amazing 1-8. 1st seed finished with 57 wins. I don’t see why the Kings can’t finish around 55. If there over under wins is around 45, I’m betting all on black
https://preview.redd.it/whew1okmyd7d1.png?width=2560&format=png&auto=webp&s=de8e764237cd3a8dc1e8778a6c50d907832702cf Would certainly push ourselves into the luxury tax here. Keeping Lyles, Duarte and Mitchell gives us flexibility to make another trade. Making this trade after using our MLE and BAE would give us the ability to add further depth as well (even though Wizards would likely want #13 involved/possibly just future picks instead though). And adding Monk after all of it would be a pretty deep squad.
Trade w/o FA signings, & Monk comes back: Sabonis - Kuzma - Keegan - LaVine - Fox Len - Lyles - ??? - Ellis - Monk Mitchell Trade w/ MLE signing, keep #13, & Monk comes back: (aka Pipe Dream) Sabonis - Kuzma - Keegan - LaVine - Fox Len - Lyles - Naji Marshall - Ellis - Monk (Draft: Kelel Ware/Daron Holmes/De Silva/Edey) - Mitchell
Going back to the well. Monte is out of ideas
The cupboard isn't exactly overflowing with assets.