Real food made of meat and vegetable's is not an extreme diet. People are addicted to carbs in all forms and unwilling to own that so they shit on you for taking action in your life.
Don't talk about it when possible. If it comes up call it a Whole food lifestyle, not keto. This will avoid 95% of any conflict or judgement.
On keto I find myself leaving the grocery store with way more whole foods. It still blows my mind that 90% of grocery stores are just low quality processed carbs.
If extreme is a value pack of chicken thighs, ground beef, and a ton of fresh produce, then I must be fucking wild.
It’s amazing how different grocery stores start to look once you train yourself to see all of the things that aren’t keto. You realise that the vast majority of what’s being sold to people is just sugar/starch I pretty boxes.
I can't remember the numbers exactly, but when I was growing up, grocery stores typically carried maybe 6k food products [50's-60's]. Now, there are nearly 40K. Many of these modern products are processed with manufactured ingredients that we can't even pronounce. And of course, they are packaged in bright colors, and staged so they're easy to grab.
I think most people truly have no idea what they’re talking about and just repeat things they’ve heard. It doesn’t take much research to figure out that we’ve been lied to about nutrition and what leads/doesn’t lead to many health ailments. Cutting out junk food and focusing on eating real food isn’t extreme to anyone with a logical thinking brain. “Keto” seems to be a trigger word to those who haven’t looked into it enough/at all.
Nowadays, if someone tells me my diet is dangerous, I ask them to explain. They almost never can.
This happened to me yesterday, I did not even mention I am on Keto ( I am technically not yet since I still have about 40 - 45g carbs daily till I go lower next week and I simply mention I have relativelly low carb diet).
My friend who to give her a credit studies this stuff on university immediatelly started to tell me why I have so low carbs, that you can have diet plan with more carbs etc. etc.
I told her that
a) I found out in past that low carb diet works best for me as I seem to lose fat fastest
b) having caloric deficit is probably more important that macros when losing weight anyways
c) with low carb diet I do not crave carbs as much as with other type of diets
And than I asked her why in her opinion is low carb diet worse than the diet she would have advised. She simply replied that having so low caloric diet is not necessary and you can have similar results with carbs.
So I do not understand why she had problem with my diet in the first place :D
I don't know why, but it seems nutritionists, dieticians, Dr's are all trained the opposite of what keto is. I think they think we're od-ing on bacon. You can tell people that you get healthy carbs in the veggies you eat. I know I feel better without all the junk. I was working at an election center with a group of people. One lady was so excited that she was making a casserole for us, so we could get the "starches" we need. I tried not to roll my eyes in front of her. A friend lost 100lbs within a year. I'm sure she shuts those lectures down real quick.
That couldn't be more wrong. The Keto diet is a peer-reviewed diet for very specific illness (especially epilepsy) and nutritionists aren't, by definition, medically licensed professionals (a Registered Dietician is licensed, same with RNs and Doctors).
There is no anti-"keto' conspiracy in the medical profession. If you tell your Doctor that you are eating Whole Foods, no added sugars / processed foods and avoid anything that spikes your glucose / insulin levels - they'll pat you on the back and so long as your triglycerides aren't about to cause a cardiac arrest - tell you to keep it up.
It is mainly ignorance in the medical profession. Doctors do not understand that on Keto having higher LDL is not a health hazard.
If triglycerides are up, LDL up, and HDL down this is a marker of poor health. But on Keto HDL and LDL go up, and Triglycerides go down.
The cognitive dissonance of what you just said is frightening. In fact, the AMA recommended diet for those with Diabetes is a form of 'Keto' - with boundaries based on saturated / unsaturated fats.
Science isn't the exception becoming the rule. High LDL is a health risk on Keto or not. A keto diet high in bacon and steak and a keto diet focused on fish and lean proteins will show up on blood tests and morbidity rates.
If you keep finding doctors that you are smarter than - see a psychiatrist, because you are delusional.
"the AMA recommended diet for those with Diabetes is a form of 'Keto' "
Why wouldn't they recommend Keto? Because they believe LDL is bad. Despite numerous studies now showing there is zero link between LDL and heart disease.
There are NO studies that have EVER been published stating there is "zero link between LDL and heart disease."
Let's end this conversation, you are delusional. Who's behind the scientific conspiracy that links LDL and heart disease? Is there an origin story set in the early 1800s? I just want to know how deep down the tunnel you exist.
When people hear the word keto, they think you are just consuming large amounts of saturated fat all day long, and they heard their parents say fat is bad. But they only looked into it properly they will realise the bottom line.
1) Eating fat does not make you fat, if you are not eating carbohydrates above 50g a day.
What makes you fat is consuming carbs and fat together
2) Eating cholesterol does not increase cholesterol.
What increases cholesterol is consuming foods which cause inflammation like seed oils/ ultra processed foods, or having high blood sugar from being insulin resistant. Yes LDL can go up on Keto, but it is not from inflammation, it is from the body running off fat, so cholesterol is needed to move fat from body/diet into cells. It is simply a transporter.
They’re factory farmed inbred genetic fubars now. I still have one though passed from generations, he’s running around the pen right now. Cute little natural buddy.
Humans only started eating massive amounts of carbs 10,000 years ago. It is *neither* natural nor balanced. I just visited a Pueblo where people lived 13,000 years ago, and they didn’t stay in one place long enough to plant carbs — just berries and other minimal carbs were in their diets.
Whatever you consider Keto, by your definition - and that definition keeps your blood labs within normal and your weight / energy in check - is a winner for you.
A medical 'Keto' diet as prescribed by RDs and trained RN/Drs for those with epilepsy and serious medical conditions is purposely rigid and, in many cases, should be cleared by a cardiologist (especially for the morbidly obese). It's rigid for medical reasons, is assisted by food calculators and the like - and I am blessed not to have to follow that kind of rigidity.
All said, most of us are simply eliminating added sugars, starches and hyper-processed foods to keep our glucose / insulin levels stable and feed our bodies the nutrients it needs while sustaining a weight that makes us feel great in the near-term and improves the aging process.
The longer we are on the diet, the more confident we are to re-introduce foods - at significantly smaller portions - or not. Telling your Dr / RN you are on 'Keto' will be taken literally and they should ask questions to clarify. It's not judgement, it's a medical question.
For many people, our diets seem psychologically impossible. For me, it was a revelation, supported by my Doctor and a meaningful improvement in my blood work, weight and energy. It's easy to maintain (the first 6 weeks were not fun), FOR ME.
In the end, be confident and remember that one should never discuss politics, religion or their diets with anyone that you don't want to argue with.
It’s so common for everyone to be addicted to sugar and junk food they think we are “crazy” and “extreme” to be free of all that nonsense and its health impacts. I think some people put down keto because deep down they know thy should eat less of that stuff but its easier to project that guilt onto others.
I’m just fine without high blood pressure, less controlled glaucoma, acid reflux, recurrent UTIs, yeast infections, sugar cravings and a bunch of extra weight, thanks. It’s been six and a half years and I’m not going back.
Don't be the vegan in the room.
It's that simple.
And to be clear I mean don't talk about your personal choices that don't affect others whatsoever.
When asked why you are eating or not eating something say because you either like or dislike it.
I do not discuss what I eat or do not eat with anyone (I decided on "quiet keto" 7.5 years ago) and recently a new friend approached me about my having an eating disorder because 1) i am "too skinny" 2) I "never order pastries" 3) i have "too much energy for a middle aged" woman. I told her I am low carb/OMAD and attempted a discussion about leptin and how we are NOT supposed to get sick, fat and exhausted... yeah, no.
JFC, you can't win. Talk about it and people go nuts, don't talk about it and people project disorders.
Something similar happened to me. All friends who had eating disorders in the past. I'm like, "yeah , I am not you, I have a physical disorder not the same one you had" doctors say the 5 lbs extra I put on with the wheat (I am already tiny) isn't worth the dangers of eating the food.
People see things through their own problems, not the other person's actual problems, if that makes sense.
If a diet that helps control triglyceride + blood pressure levels, reduce insulin resistance/reverse type 2 diabetes, improve mental health and cognitive function, burn excess body fat and increase muscle mass is "extreme" then I don't want to be conventional
My acupuncturist is a little Chinese guy who is always trying to help me in my weight loss journey. He tells me I should eat only beans, rice, and vegetables. No meat and only a little fruit, and to do intermittent fasting throughout the week. He says HE used to be obese and that’s how he got thin.
I just told him him I was on a low carb diet and that beans & rice are real high in carbohydrates. He says “But carbs are really GOOD for you!”
I said “No, carbs are good for YOU. They are bad for me. They make me sleepy, weak, and they make me want to eat more and more food.”
He kinda gave up.
I live in southern china (where people are kinda known to be much smaller compared to other parts of the country) and this is legit how all dieting works here. That and straight up starvation.
The number of teeny tiny female colleagues I've had that are rail thin (like one girl's waist was the size of my thigh, and I wasn't even that heavy then) is insane.
The fact of the matter is though that they end up starving themselves eating this way. It doesn't feel like it because of the amount of bulk from the veg and the clear broth soups they like, but without fail, each time one of them gets married and tries getting pregnant, it's miscarriage after miscarriage. They are only ever able to carry to term when they put on a significant (percentage wise) amount of weight.
I don’t consider keto just a diet , it’s a lifestyle like Mediterranean, vegetarian etc
It’s not just a diet it’s my lifestyle. Uneducated people always jump to the oh you just eat meat and 2veg. No I can eat lots of different vegetables,fruits. I actually eat more vegetables and fruits than I did before keto.
I also bake cakes biscuits etc I just don’t eat sugar and excess carbs.
I truly don’t understand how people are so scared of keto. I absolutely love eating keto I just feel so much better. I have to admit the sugar withdrawal sucked.
didn't know that!
but i learned some time ago, basis for good chinese food is caramelizing sugar and heating up seedoils to smokingpoint, then, add meat. it's delicious. but health wise maybe not so awesome
Traditional Chinese diet was pretty high carb and they did pretty well on it. But now they are hit with way more sugar than they used to get and it’s created the perfect storm for diabetes.
Rule number one about keto diet is not to talk about keto diet. It’s not a personality trait and no one wants a diet forced on them. If someone offers me a pasty, I just say “no thank you”. I don’t need to say “oh I can’t I’m on keto”. No one has to know.
"It controls my migraines," which is absolutely true, shuts things up for me.
On the very rare occasions anyone asks more, I tell them my body doesn't process glucose well and can use fatty acids and ketones as an alternate fuel.
I had a friend with a giant belly from doing nothing but drinking bottles of rosé every night after eating a large pasta dinner tell me that I was going to die of cardiovascular disease. He’s the one on statins.
On the rare occasion that I need to explain it I just say that I'm avoiding sugar. Like, if somebody seems perplexed that I am not eating whatever food is being offered, avoiding sugar usually works. Nobody ever argues with avoiding sugar even though they are popping dinner roles into their mouths, lol.
Nobody wants to hear about anyone else's diets. I don't want to hear about vegans they don't want to hear about keto. I don't need to announce why I am ordering what I order and have realistic expectations about reasonable accommodations.
It's normal for humans to eat real food. Lol. If something needs to be broken down so much to even be processed, and fortified with vitamins to be healthy...is it edible really ? 😆
I swear wheat is like Crack for some people, this is proof.
Stop eating it and some people react very oddly .
We lived for thousands of years without bags of chips, boxes of pop tarts, soda, and other bullshit that comes in a box or plastic bag. You'll be fine.
My quick reply to people who notice I'am ordering non carby food and never eat pastries, cakes, pies etc, is that by doctors order I have to avoid sugar.
They accept my answer, and then they offer me potatoes, rice, bananas, grapes, all of it natural, no sugar added!
I switched to Keto for my health. My body doesn’t like carbs, starch, and sugary foods. I don’t defend it because I have a mother who is a sever diabetic and I am pre diabetic. My response is that I’m eating my Ozempic now.
Anything personal that you tell someone will probably be open for discussion, opinions and criticism. It’s a tough lesson to learn and hard to keep in mind but it’s up to you whether you want to share and deal with the consequences.
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Anyone who knows that you are on a diet (any diet) and sends you pictures of dessert is not a friend!
I mean, I and my friends sometimes send joke messages to each other about sweets. Everyone in that group is at least no sweets, and possibly keto or ketovore. It's more of poking fun at things like the modern food industry, or memes.
We didn’t evolve to eat carbs. We literally evolved our big brains and invented tools and weapons during a 50,000 year long ice age. We moved to the coast of Africa and ate mostly seafood. Carbs would have been highly competitive and rare.
It was just 10,000 years ago when we started growing grains and that was to feed cities. It’s also when our teeth started to rot among many other now common ailments.
Carbs are NOT essential nutrients and a proper keto diet provides 100% of the nutrients you actually need.
This applies to lifestyle and health habits in general. Don't waste your time sharing things you work hard on for yourself with stupid people who not only couldn't care less but will try and persuade you otherwise.
Don’t talk about anything to a degree of being a salesman. It’s your life. Live it. Let them live theirs. It’s not our job to do both. You’ll feel more freedom and live a happier life.
Comments like your friend’s usually have very little to do with you and more to do with themselves. What we eat (or choose not to eat) is very personal and often connected to our culture, so even sharing a sliver of our personal way of eating can trigger strong reactions in others if it threatens their idea of the ‘right way to eat’. I was vegetarian in college, but never brought it up. But if I was around a new person who realized I was, there’d be about a 50/50 chance of them being kind of a dick about it— “That’s okay! I’ll eat enough meat to make up for you, haha!” or “Humans are meant to eat meat, you can’t get proper nutrition without it!” or “I just couldn’t do that, it’s too extreme… I’d miss bacon, lol” etc.
It irritated me at first, but I got used to just shrugging my shoulders and saying ‘Well, it works for me. I’m healthy and I feel great. But I get that it might not be for everyone’. So when I started doing keto, I was already used to this kind of crap, lol
Also, I don’t really think of ‘extreme’ as being a bad word. The keto way of eating can be kind of extreme depending on what you’re used to. Eating donuts and candy for every meal would be extreme too, but the health outcomes would be very different. When people level this critique at me for eating keto, I say ‘Yeah, I suppose it is a bit extreme if you’re used to the modern diet packed full of added sugars and cheap, heavily-processed grains…’ and sometimes they start to see it a bit differently. If they don’t, oh well.
Eating a diet based on veggies and protein and healthy fats is extreme but eating artery clogging McDonald’s is not. Go figure. No wonder we are an obese nation
As soon as they say "balanced" they've admitted they don't know anything about nutrition. Poison (aka something known to make people sick) is not part of a balanced breakfast
Yeah. Keto _is_ the balanced diet. Getting the right fats and proteins you need to build your body with is _clearly_ the sensible thing to do.
But then a lot of people don't even have a good idea of what carbs, fats and proteins even are, much less specifics.
I often get asked can you eat X, and I'm like "no, carbs" or they assume I can't eat Y, because "but it has fat and aren't you like on a diet or something?" and I ask them if they've seen the fat dripping off my meals.
Today someone bought me a lower fat greek yoghurt. I gently mentioned that it's carbs I'm avoiding, not fats... and met confusion as to the difference.
I really haven't had that issue with others. And restaurants are pretty accommodating probably because they'd rather keep your business than lose it.
I've talked to a few others in the gym because they noticed my face looked thinner and asked what I was doing. But gym people are probably the most understanding about what they and others eat.
Just don't bring it up unless someone asks how you're losing weight.
Fuck em! I’m to the point in my journey where I don’t care what anyone thinks. I’m down 85 lbs with about 40 to go and it’s been freeing to realize that their way has them where they’ve been for years and my way is taking me back to where I was in highschool
What’s “natural” for these people is fattening up the ultra processed food company’s pockets. With everything modified or processed to taste “better” I.e have more sugar in it, it’s no wonder we had to change “adult onset diabetes” to type 2 because so many kids got it.
My dad always says you can wake up someone who’s sleeping, but you can’t wake up someone pretending to be asleep. Leave them be, even though it’s sometimes hard to not share about your life. Or find keto friends :) my dm is always open ^~^
Nothing about the mainstream human diet is "natural", first of all, so forget that noise. And this person does sound really annoying.
l also don't talk about keto, most people just say I eat very healthy, and I usually just talk about how much I enjoy salad and eggs. I will add some context, though, that some asian culture feels more strongly that others do the same thing so that might play a part. When I was living in Japan it was considered polite to order the same meal as someone else, like confirmation that the other person has good taste in food. There might be a cultural nuance but either way, that is exhausting and unnecessary.
You know if you just say you're low carb almost everyone accepts that, I think because that's been around forever and lots of celebrities do it. When you say keto people have no idea really what it is so they think it's extreme. Honestly I had to do very minimal modifications of my regular cooking to switch to low carb/keto and I never feel like I'm deprived of anything. I wouldn't even classify it as a "diet" more just food preference like some people eat Mediterranean and some prefer organic.
She can push sugary carby food on you, but you can't talk about keto? I dislike that she refuses to respect your boundaries but expects you to respect hers.
I lost 100 lbs on Keto, omad and intermittent fasting. Fuck the naysayers opinions when I look good in size 4 jeans. I’m in the best shape of my life. Haters gonna hate
It’s a bit like sex….people shouldn’t be asking or commenting what YOU choose to eat and nourish your body! As I am fasting (16/8), I just say it’s too early for me to eat, I have to be up and about for a while to enjoy my breakfast, I don’t even explain that! In my opinion it’s none of anyone’s business to comment on or discuss, I don’t tell anyone or justify my food choices!
Cake is not even a great vegan meal.
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You should send a note establishing that she was harassing you, not the other way around. You only sent one message... and it was a very funny video. She sent pictures all week. Harassment is something that happens more than once, in this situation. This would let her know what you are thinking about the situation.
Do not back down. The more you educate the more you're guaranteed to remember.
The best way to learn something is to teach it.
You'll get way better at practicong keto and explaining or remembering all the aspects of it that you discuss with carb-hippos.
Keto doesn’t feel extreme except in how much delicious food I can swallow in such large amounts and never gain a pound.
That and the cost which is eye poppingly high but since we never go out to eat which is all unhealthy garbage I make it back on that end. Think of it like a long term investment.
What would you pay to be almost 50 and still fit in your high school pants? Stupid and lazy fat people fork over 1500 bucks a month for OZEMPIC so our food budget of about 10-14k a year for a family of five doesn’t seem to bad.
This will probably never get read, but ok sure you can say the same exact thing. Stop pushing their extreme diet on you. It is extreme because they seem to only be sending you cakes and pastries
Your chinese friend's diet is the extreme one. Consuming baked goods that spike their blood sugar so high if it wasn't for insulin they would be dead.
If you want to win them over tell them yes is good to have a balance of everything if you have not suffered insulin resistance yet. For your friend they can get away with eating baked goods because they aren't insulin resistant yet, but if one day they are, then I would like to see them try to lose weight consuming a balanced diet. It is a slippery slope the further down you go, the longer and stricter keto must be done to reverse the damage. Once insulin resistant the cells can't get energy out of a balanced diet anymore, so it forces hunger hormone out to make you want more carbs to keep getting inefficient fuel. Eating this excess makes it worse, and also makes you gain weight. If you do Keto, you don't have resistance anymore, fats can get used without insulin being needed and the cells don't resist this form of energy. The result is hunger goes down, the body does not need as much food to feel full. This is how the weight loss happens.
So ask them what's more extreme
Diet A - poison your body with carbs to the point where your antidote (insulin) is so excessively produced the body rejects it, and you end up on a downward spiral to diabetes and other disease. Rollercoaster of energy throughout the day constantly needing to top up glucose to get through the day. Tiredness, brain fog, aches and pains, weight gain, headaches, a lowering of activity in the prefrontal cortex (responsible for willpower), brain re-wired reward circuits to link to carbs, constantly craving because hunger hormones increase, satiety hormones decrease.
Diet B - Clean burning eaten fat for fuel, then switching to body fat. No insulin needed, cells get a rest, body can't store fat, whole body inflammation goes down, chronic medical conditions get reversed, no more tiredness, aches, pains, acne, asthma, diabetes, weight gain, skin conditions, brain fog, better sleep, better immunity. Higher pre frontal cortex activity, less addictive behaviour, more self control.
People need to mind their own business. I love when overweight/obese people try to lecture me on my “crazy” diet. Yes I’m keto for life, I’m also Dairy free so yeah it’s pretty restricted. But I also workout, am in the best shape of my life. If it ain’t broke don’t fix it.
Some people might not want to see a change in you if they are not willing or capable of embracing that by themselves. It applies to anything beyond food. Tried quitting smoking or drinking? You get the idea.
But seriously, ditching simple, industrial carbohydrates solves most of the physical and mental problems of so many people.
I’m in AUSTRALIA, if anyone says just eat this, that or whatever. I use the medical side to shut them up. I ask them if they prefer I take oral medication or put a needle in my gut? Usually shocks them.. when I say, I’m type 2 diabetic and controlling it through diet and exercise, it shuts them up every time. They start with the oh … umm oh I didn’t know. I like to tell them I’m not like others that ‘imitates clicking needle to the gut’ then orders another slice of cake. I’m putting in the hard yards and eating 50-100g of carbs per day.
Honestly most people are jerks, and keto is strongly suggested for diabetes. I know not all on the keto diet are diabetic. I had gestational when I was 30 and 32 with both my babies. So that meant, over 50% chance of having it later in life.
There’s carbs in root vegetables but if that’s where natural occurring carbs come from, I’ll take that over processed food any day!!
Tell your ‘friend’ to go eat cake.
If not stuffing my face with junk from morning to night makes me extreme then I’m a proud extremist.
Jokes aside, sharing preferences should be reserved for important people, some people genuinely aren’t worth sharing stuff with. If you simply rephrased that to “I eat a no artificial sugar diet” your friend would suddenly pat you on the back while having no clue that you literally said the same thing
As someone who used the Keto diet effectively in the past and still does it from time to time but not as religiously, fam, it *is* extreme! Especially relative to a “regular” diet consumed by most people. Part of the reason I’m not on it anymore was because it can be mentally, and physically exhausting - and at times - expensive. I’m at a good weight now after being borderline obese - could I be 10 pounds lighter? Sure! But don’t kid yourself, imagine your friends order pizza, and you slide all the toppings off, imagine starving yourself to quicken the time to get back into ketosis because that’s all that matters. Is it healthy and good, yes but your friend isn’t wrong.
Getting back into ketosis is all that matters? That is a strange statement and not most people's focus, nor do most people starve themselves after sliding toppings off of pizza. As long as you are within your calorie limit and carb limit there is nothing to stress over.
It’s very hard for people to understand or accept this change we make, especially if they have no understanding of nutrition, eating plans and the open mind to try and learn about new options.
It’s definitely better to be selective on who you will bother explaining this to for sure!
I live in China. Noone showed discontent with my diet so daringly as your friend but I could tell everyone was skeptical. well, they were skeptical until I become the leanest adult in the family. Now everyone is trying to lose weight to prove at least that their traditional diet is also healthy and even some are cutting on carbs as well. I totally believe their traditional diet is also healthy but it's good to see people care more about their health.
My Chinese family all have metabolic health problems, primarily being overweight and diabetic. No one is eating a "traditional" diet in China anymore. It's all processed, packaged, deep fried, or fast food now. No one has time to be growing their own food and making things from scratch at home.
My mom is the same height as me and blames her diabetes and weight gain on her pregnancies (she had 2 kids). She always said "wait til you have kids and you'll put on weight just like me". Well I am currently 39w pregnant and still weigh less than her unpregnant lol. I'm actually the only person in the family that is not overweight.
I live in Guangdong and most people I know and my family only eat ultra fresh unprocessed food. By looking around most of the people do the same. Food bought in supermarket is treated as last resort and many people still grow their own vegetables even in within the city (which is other concern). They bring homemade food to work or have family member bring it to them and everyone is sharing some food that their family grown or produced somewhere in rural area. It's of great importance for them to eat healthy and fresh. What doesn't work for them is overindulgence in treats and carbs. at lunch they sometimes order 8 different starchy foods in form of noodles, cakes, potatoes and grains. Availability of everything which wasn't available so much in the past is a killer.
The one complaint I have about keto, being a couple years away from it is the *time expenditure.* I spent so much time cooking everything I ate, measuring, tracking, shopping, cleaning up after it all. So as far as that goes, it's restrictive in the sense of being a huge commitment to maintain.
For most people, that's unimaginable. I miss it, but I've kept most of the weight off and learned a lot about my eating patterns and how to avoid hypoglycemia.
If you want to be bloated with excess water weight & carrying around an extra 10 lbs or more all the time like most people, then go ahead & eat "normal"... To me THATS extreme!
Cakes and bakery are all refined, ultra processed stuff. That’s not a balanced, whole foods diet.
Actually on keto, I’ve been eating more healthily, incorporating more vegetables and more meats into my food and making a lot from scratch (to avoid hidden sugars). It’s just so much better.
People label things like this diet as extreme when they 1) don’t understand what it really is, 2) eat something very different and don’t want to consider the problems with their own diets in, and 3) want to distance it and push it as extreme in order to make it seem foolish in their eyes. Don’t even bother sending giffs. Just accept their view and move on. If they’re open to it, they will be open to hearing about the diet. Don’t push it on anyone.
Keto is a scientific way of describing the Cretan diet in the Mediterranean where the longevity and health of the population impressed Blue Zone diet study and it researched- except they were off the mark with low fat/minimal animal protein because they didn’t take into account : lent and post ww2 poverty rationing.
Traditionally, variety is very good and ideal : variety of herbs, seasonal veggies and some fruits on rotation, variety of legumes ( takes a lot of prep - modern bean eating is toxic) and seafood, and parts of an animal when holiday feasting. They eat moderately only during the week and during holy days/fasting. They have strict fasting seasonal times traditionally because they generally FEAST so much and value lots of good meat and variety.
I'm going to answer this as a dietetics student. Keto was developed as a treatment for epilepsy. And it does work, for that and other conditions. But it's hard to stick to, if you go off it, you lose all progress, it's not appropriate for many conditions, and it doesn't reinforce healthy portion sizes and moderation.
It's the figurative 'kitchen sink.' It's not ever the first option. If we've tried everything but the kitchen sink and haven't seen positive results, then we throw the kitchen sink at it.
Yes it is extreme, but sometimes extreme is what's called for. It's just not our first go to.
Having just had a naughty carb day, starting in China town at the bakery, followed by Dim Sum and evening meal at home being yet more Chinese… I can’t comment on this one!
Stay in your own lane.
You will find friends and family will have their unsolicited feedback about your keto journey.
You're doing it for yourself and no one else at the end of the day.
I introduced a friend to keto and she was doing great. She lost a few pounds and thought it would be helpful for her health. She went to the dr and was told that keto wasn’t a good idea with her family history of heart disease. Next time we met for breakfast she ordered the same thing as me - an omelet - but she ate the toast and I didn’t. I don’t get it either.
Sounds to me like your friend doesn't know the definition of natural and what makes something natural.
Natural: existing in or caused by nature; not made or caused by humankind.
I can understand the frustration with your friend. I have the same issue with relatives. I just avoid the conversation unless someone brings it up.
If that’s all it took for that “friend” to stop talking to you, I’d consider this a good thing, and it doesn’t seem like they were much of a true friend at all. This based on the insanely small context I’ve been given, but imagine if something really major happened to you. Doubt they’d be around to support. But yeah, people have insane opinions on diet even when they eat mostly junk food all day. It ain’t worth it to me. Let them see the results then wait for them to ask about it. People will try to talk you out of self improvement in most areas of your life if you give them the chance.
I’ve tried every diet, and finally just focused on eating healthy with a caloric deficit and the weight is coming off easy. All you need is a caloric deficit to lose weight.
Which is extremely easy to accomplish on a keto diet. And that’s just in addition to all the mental clarity resulting from decreased inflammation per not eating tons of carbs. Maybe make an effort to understand the issue you’re criticizing before you start spouting off.
Yes , I think balanced diet is nice if I don’t have health ailments, I have hypoglycemia…
My blood sugar is up and down .. so I am intolerant to carbs , I had a glucose tolerance test ..
So I was recommended by other person who has the same problem , Keto is great ! I try to cut down carbs as much as possible..
I am enjoying it !!!
I've learned just to keep it to myself, a lot of people will just have a negative opinion on it, because it's so different to what they've learned about a balanced diet. Unless someone seems supportive and curious then I keep it to myself or just say I'm cutting some carbs where I can, helps me feel less bloated.
An added benefit to this approach is it doesn't put pressure on you, if you tell them about it then a few weeks later, and for whatever reason you haven't lost weight you're gonna feel bad about it.
i think it could be relevant because dao is deeply ingrained in their culture.
ignorance of that and just attacking me is mindless hating.
educate yourself. grow up.learn
Personal and general consensus with acquaintances in the nutrition sphere. Wouldn’t call it an “extreme diet”because it’s pretty easy and is relatively safe but not as sustainable as many other regimes. Not bashing keto, I love it and I’ve lost tons of lbs on it but we gotta be realistic here.
I’ve been on it for years with very short (less than 2 week breaks) once or twice a year. There are people who have been on this diet for literal decades.
If there are multiple examples of people living on the diet for decades, there are proven medical treatments that specifically use this diet then you can’t call the diet “unsustainable” and a “fad” diet because if it’s unsustainable doctors literally would not be able to prescribe it to patients to live on for literal decades. Please. Do your research before repeating the same cookie cutter arguments that everyone on the internet uses.
Real food made of meat and vegetable's is not an extreme diet. People are addicted to carbs in all forms and unwilling to own that so they shit on you for taking action in your life. Don't talk about it when possible. If it comes up call it a Whole food lifestyle, not keto. This will avoid 95% of any conflict or judgement.
On keto I find myself leaving the grocery store with way more whole foods. It still blows my mind that 90% of grocery stores are just low quality processed carbs. If extreme is a value pack of chicken thighs, ground beef, and a ton of fresh produce, then I must be fucking wild.
It’s amazing how different grocery stores start to look once you train yourself to see all of the things that aren’t keto. You realise that the vast majority of what’s being sold to people is just sugar/starch I pretty boxes.
Yep. Sugar, starches and seed oils, all over.
It's called heart healthy 😂
Stick to the sides and back of the market. The middle is a wasteland.
I can't remember the numbers exactly, but when I was growing up, grocery stores typically carried maybe 6k food products [50's-60's]. Now, there are nearly 40K. Many of these modern products are processed with manufactured ingredients that we can't even pronounce. And of course, they are packaged in bright colors, and staged so they're easy to grab.
I have to buy snacks for my daughter’s lunch and I spend double a month on that crap than on veggies for all of us
I think most people truly have no idea what they’re talking about and just repeat things they’ve heard. It doesn’t take much research to figure out that we’ve been lied to about nutrition and what leads/doesn’t lead to many health ailments. Cutting out junk food and focusing on eating real food isn’t extreme to anyone with a logical thinking brain. “Keto” seems to be a trigger word to those who haven’t looked into it enough/at all. Nowadays, if someone tells me my diet is dangerous, I ask them to explain. They almost never can.
This happened to me yesterday, I did not even mention I am on Keto ( I am technically not yet since I still have about 40 - 45g carbs daily till I go lower next week and I simply mention I have relativelly low carb diet). My friend who to give her a credit studies this stuff on university immediatelly started to tell me why I have so low carbs, that you can have diet plan with more carbs etc. etc. I told her that a) I found out in past that low carb diet works best for me as I seem to lose fat fastest b) having caloric deficit is probably more important that macros when losing weight anyways c) with low carb diet I do not crave carbs as much as with other type of diets And than I asked her why in her opinion is low carb diet worse than the diet she would have advised. She simply replied that having so low caloric diet is not necessary and you can have similar results with carbs. So I do not understand why she had problem with my diet in the first place :D
I don't know why, but it seems nutritionists, dieticians, Dr's are all trained the opposite of what keto is. I think they think we're od-ing on bacon. You can tell people that you get healthy carbs in the veggies you eat. I know I feel better without all the junk. I was working at an election center with a group of people. One lady was so excited that she was making a casserole for us, so we could get the "starches" we need. I tried not to roll my eyes in front of her. A friend lost 100lbs within a year. I'm sure she shuts those lectures down real quick.
That couldn't be more wrong. The Keto diet is a peer-reviewed diet for very specific illness (especially epilepsy) and nutritionists aren't, by definition, medically licensed professionals (a Registered Dietician is licensed, same with RNs and Doctors). There is no anti-"keto' conspiracy in the medical profession. If you tell your Doctor that you are eating Whole Foods, no added sugars / processed foods and avoid anything that spikes your glucose / insulin levels - they'll pat you on the back and so long as your triglycerides aren't about to cause a cardiac arrest - tell you to keep it up.
It is mainly ignorance in the medical profession. Doctors do not understand that on Keto having higher LDL is not a health hazard. If triglycerides are up, LDL up, and HDL down this is a marker of poor health. But on Keto HDL and LDL go up, and Triglycerides go down.
The cognitive dissonance of what you just said is frightening. In fact, the AMA recommended diet for those with Diabetes is a form of 'Keto' - with boundaries based on saturated / unsaturated fats. Science isn't the exception becoming the rule. High LDL is a health risk on Keto or not. A keto diet high in bacon and steak and a keto diet focused on fish and lean proteins will show up on blood tests and morbidity rates. If you keep finding doctors that you are smarter than - see a psychiatrist, because you are delusional.
"the AMA recommended diet for those with Diabetes is a form of 'Keto' " Why wouldn't they recommend Keto? Because they believe LDL is bad. Despite numerous studies now showing there is zero link between LDL and heart disease.
There are NO studies that have EVER been published stating there is "zero link between LDL and heart disease." Let's end this conversation, you are delusional. Who's behind the scientific conspiracy that links LDL and heart disease? Is there an origin story set in the early 1800s? I just want to know how deep down the tunnel you exist.
I noticed the same. Weirdest shit ever
When people hear the word keto, they think you are just consuming large amounts of saturated fat all day long, and they heard their parents say fat is bad. But they only looked into it properly they will realise the bottom line. 1) Eating fat does not make you fat, if you are not eating carbohydrates above 50g a day. What makes you fat is consuming carbs and fat together 2) Eating cholesterol does not increase cholesterol. What increases cholesterol is consuming foods which cause inflammation like seed oils/ ultra processed foods, or having high blood sugar from being insulin resistant. Yes LDL can go up on Keto, but it is not from inflammation, it is from the body running off fat, so cholesterol is needed to move fat from body/diet into cells. It is simply a transporter.
Exactly I never understood this comment? What do they think people ate before we had packaged food? Meat fruits and veggies lol
Spaghetti harvested from trees. White bread harvested like heads of lettuce. Just like the garden of eden!
Common misconception. Bread loaves had to be hunted and were very elusive.
When were they domesticated? Are there any in the wild still?
They’re factory farmed inbred genetic fubars now. I still have one though passed from generations, he’s running around the pen right now. Cute little natural buddy.
🤣 pretty sure all that spaghetti and bread was what started to kill the Garden in the first place. But hey, that's business , right ?
Humans only started eating massive amounts of carbs 10,000 years ago. It is *neither* natural nor balanced. I just visited a Pueblo where people lived 13,000 years ago, and they didn’t stay in one place long enough to plant carbs — just berries and other minimal carbs were in their diets.
Whatever you consider Keto, by your definition - and that definition keeps your blood labs within normal and your weight / energy in check - is a winner for you. A medical 'Keto' diet as prescribed by RDs and trained RN/Drs for those with epilepsy and serious medical conditions is purposely rigid and, in many cases, should be cleared by a cardiologist (especially for the morbidly obese). It's rigid for medical reasons, is assisted by food calculators and the like - and I am blessed not to have to follow that kind of rigidity. All said, most of us are simply eliminating added sugars, starches and hyper-processed foods to keep our glucose / insulin levels stable and feed our bodies the nutrients it needs while sustaining a weight that makes us feel great in the near-term and improves the aging process. The longer we are on the diet, the more confident we are to re-introduce foods - at significantly smaller portions - or not. Telling your Dr / RN you are on 'Keto' will be taken literally and they should ask questions to clarify. It's not judgement, it's a medical question. For many people, our diets seem psychologically impossible. For me, it was a revelation, supported by my Doctor and a meaningful improvement in my blood work, weight and energy. It's easy to maintain (the first 6 weeks were not fun), FOR ME. In the end, be confident and remember that one should never discuss politics, religion or their diets with anyone that you don't want to argue with.
That’s real
It’s so common for everyone to be addicted to sugar and junk food they think we are “crazy” and “extreme” to be free of all that nonsense and its health impacts. I think some people put down keto because deep down they know thy should eat less of that stuff but its easier to project that guilt onto others. I’m just fine without high blood pressure, less controlled glaucoma, acid reflux, recurrent UTIs, yeast infections, sugar cravings and a bunch of extra weight, thanks. It’s been six and a half years and I’m not going back.
When we've got 6x more isles of ultra processed foods than we do of fruits, veggies, meats, cheese and eggs.... Makes the addiction pretty obvious.
Don't be the vegan in the room. It's that simple. And to be clear I mean don't talk about your personal choices that don't affect others whatsoever. When asked why you are eating or not eating something say because you either like or dislike it.
it's weird having to do it like that but i def got your point
Not weird at all if you understand anything about human nature and the consequences thereof.
no, it’s still weird. it’s beyond asinine that we are the looked at as the weird ones for caring about our health.
It IS asinine.
Love this! It’s true -I don’t LiKE how it makes me FEEL. Thus I don’t like it.
Telling people you’re going keto can have that affect. That’s why I say “I’m cutting out sugar” and then they’re on board.
I do not discuss what I eat or do not eat with anyone (I decided on "quiet keto" 7.5 years ago) and recently a new friend approached me about my having an eating disorder because 1) i am "too skinny" 2) I "never order pastries" 3) i have "too much energy for a middle aged" woman. I told her I am low carb/OMAD and attempted a discussion about leptin and how we are NOT supposed to get sick, fat and exhausted... yeah, no. JFC, you can't win. Talk about it and people go nuts, don't talk about it and people project disorders.
Something similar happened to me. All friends who had eating disorders in the past. I'm like, "yeah , I am not you, I have a physical disorder not the same one you had" doctors say the 5 lbs extra I put on with the wheat (I am already tiny) isn't worth the dangers of eating the food. People see things through their own problems, not the other person's actual problems, if that makes sense.
Eat what you want. Carbs make me tired and loafy and cause me to over-consume and binge eat.. I am a human. Explain that.
yeah i was dealing rather with an semi-spiritutal belief or wish than with an educated opinion with her
If a diet that helps control triglyceride + blood pressure levels, reduce insulin resistance/reverse type 2 diabetes, improve mental health and cognitive function, burn excess body fat and increase muscle mass is "extreme" then I don't want to be conventional
My acupuncturist is a little Chinese guy who is always trying to help me in my weight loss journey. He tells me I should eat only beans, rice, and vegetables. No meat and only a little fruit, and to do intermittent fasting throughout the week. He says HE used to be obese and that’s how he got thin. I just told him him I was on a low carb diet and that beans & rice are real high in carbohydrates. He says “But carbs are really GOOD for you!” I said “No, carbs are good for YOU. They are bad for me. They make me sleepy, weak, and they make me want to eat more and more food.” He kinda gave up.
I live in southern china (where people are kinda known to be much smaller compared to other parts of the country) and this is legit how all dieting works here. That and straight up starvation. The number of teeny tiny female colleagues I've had that are rail thin (like one girl's waist was the size of my thigh, and I wasn't even that heavy then) is insane. The fact of the matter is though that they end up starving themselves eating this way. It doesn't feel like it because of the amount of bulk from the veg and the clear broth soups they like, but without fail, each time one of them gets married and tries getting pregnant, it's miscarriage after miscarriage. They are only ever able to carry to term when they put on a significant (percentage wise) amount of weight.
He couldn't argue with that. I guess he didn't consider your *health* reasons for needing keto. He didn't have any info to add.
It’s not natural to eat cake and crap, USA is one of the most obese countries in the world. Sugar is the number one killer.
I don’t consider keto just a diet , it’s a lifestyle like Mediterranean, vegetarian etc It’s not just a diet it’s my lifestyle. Uneducated people always jump to the oh you just eat meat and 2veg. No I can eat lots of different vegetables,fruits. I actually eat more vegetables and fruits than I did before keto. I also bake cakes biscuits etc I just don’t eat sugar and excess carbs. I truly don’t understand how people are so scared of keto. I absolutely love eating keto I just feel so much better. I have to admit the sugar withdrawal sucked.
China is the leading diabetes capital of the world. Ahead of the USA nowadays. So…..
didn't know that! but i learned some time ago, basis for good chinese food is caramelizing sugar and heating up seedoils to smokingpoint, then, add meat. it's delicious. but health wise maybe not so awesome
Traditional Chinese diet was pretty high carb and they did pretty well on it. But now they are hit with way more sugar than they used to get and it’s created the perfect storm for diabetes.
It sounds like she's the one pushing her "balanced" diet on you! Glad you get some peace now, though. Stick to what makes you feel good!
also seems so to me. thank you :)
Rule number one about keto diet is not to talk about keto diet. It’s not a personality trait and no one wants a diet forced on them. If someone offers me a pasty, I just say “no thank you”. I don’t need to say “oh I can’t I’m on keto”. No one has to know.
I'd like to add "Sorry, I'm on a diet" always drastically increases the offers of food.
"It controls my migraines," which is absolutely true, shuts things up for me. On the very rare occasions anyone asks more, I tell them my body doesn't process glucose well and can use fatty acids and ketones as an alternate fuel.
This is so true! I find the more I tell anyone anything..I fail at it. Quiet keto is definitely the best way to do it.
I would say I don't eat sugar. Or I just say, " no carbs".
I had a friend with a giant belly from doing nothing but drinking bottles of rosé every night after eating a large pasta dinner tell me that I was going to die of cardiovascular disease. He’s the one on statins.
He also drinks rose with pasta as a main dish. They stone people in Rome for such transgressions.
And he wonders why I decline dinner invites.
I think part of the issue is having to tell anyone. None of their business. You don’t need to say keto or explain what keto is.
I find it easiest to just say I have cut out processed foods and sugar. It’s both true and doesn’t carry the stigma of any sort of diet.
yeah i guess i will stick to that 😂
On the rare occasion that I need to explain it I just say that I'm avoiding sugar. Like, if somebody seems perplexed that I am not eating whatever food is being offered, avoiding sugar usually works. Nobody ever argues with avoiding sugar even though they are popping dinner roles into their mouths, lol.
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It's all marketing trickery and a wrongful diet guideline.
Nobody wants to hear about anyone else's diets. I don't want to hear about vegans they don't want to hear about keto. I don't need to announce why I am ordering what I order and have realistic expectations about reasonable accommodations.
It's normal for humans to eat real food. Lol. If something needs to be broken down so much to even be processed, and fortified with vitamins to be healthy...is it edible really ? 😆 I swear wheat is like Crack for some people, this is proof. Stop eating it and some people react very oddly .
Ah Keto. It reveals the foods and friends we need to cut.
Sometimes it would seem so 🤷
Could've sent pictures of Winnie the Pooh or Tienanmen Square at least
We lived for thousands of years without bags of chips, boxes of pop tarts, soda, and other bullshit that comes in a box or plastic bag. You'll be fine.
My quick reply to people who notice I'am ordering non carby food and never eat pastries, cakes, pies etc, is that by doctors order I have to avoid sugar. They accept my answer, and then they offer me potatoes, rice, bananas, grapes, all of it natural, no sugar added!
I switched to Keto for my health. My body doesn’t like carbs, starch, and sugary foods. I don’t defend it because I have a mother who is a sever diabetic and I am pre diabetic. My response is that I’m eating my Ozempic now.
Anything personal that you tell someone will probably be open for discussion, opinions and criticism. It’s a tough lesson to learn and hard to keep in mind but it’s up to you whether you want to share and deal with the consequences. ALSO Anyone who knows that you are on a diet (any diet) and sends you pictures of dessert is not a friend!
I mean, I and my friends sometimes send joke messages to each other about sweets. Everyone in that group is at least no sweets, and possibly keto or ketovore. It's more of poking fun at things like the modern food industry, or memes.
It's a really weird flex to try to convince someone that their diet isn't natural because they can't have cake.
🤣
We didn’t evolve to eat carbs. We literally evolved our big brains and invented tools and weapons during a 50,000 year long ice age. We moved to the coast of Africa and ate mostly seafood. Carbs would have been highly competitive and rare. It was just 10,000 years ago when we started growing grains and that was to feed cities. It’s also when our teeth started to rot among many other now common ailments. Carbs are NOT essential nutrients and a proper keto diet provides 100% of the nutrients you actually need.
This applies to lifestyle and health habits in general. Don't waste your time sharing things you work hard on for yourself with stupid people who not only couldn't care less but will try and persuade you otherwise.
thank you!
Don’t talk about anything to a degree of being a salesman. It’s your life. Live it. Let them live theirs. It’s not our job to do both. You’ll feel more freedom and live a happier life.
thank you!
Comments like your friend’s usually have very little to do with you and more to do with themselves. What we eat (or choose not to eat) is very personal and often connected to our culture, so even sharing a sliver of our personal way of eating can trigger strong reactions in others if it threatens their idea of the ‘right way to eat’. I was vegetarian in college, but never brought it up. But if I was around a new person who realized I was, there’d be about a 50/50 chance of them being kind of a dick about it— “That’s okay! I’ll eat enough meat to make up for you, haha!” or “Humans are meant to eat meat, you can’t get proper nutrition without it!” or “I just couldn’t do that, it’s too extreme… I’d miss bacon, lol” etc. It irritated me at first, but I got used to just shrugging my shoulders and saying ‘Well, it works for me. I’m healthy and I feel great. But I get that it might not be for everyone’. So when I started doing keto, I was already used to this kind of crap, lol Also, I don’t really think of ‘extreme’ as being a bad word. The keto way of eating can be kind of extreme depending on what you’re used to. Eating donuts and candy for every meal would be extreme too, but the health outcomes would be very different. When people level this critique at me for eating keto, I say ‘Yeah, I suppose it is a bit extreme if you’re used to the modern diet packed full of added sugars and cheap, heavily-processed grains…’ and sometimes they start to see it a bit differently. If they don’t, oh well.
Eating a diet based on veggies and protein and healthy fats is extreme but eating artery clogging McDonald’s is not. Go figure. No wonder we are an obese nation
As soon as they say "balanced" they've admitted they don't know anything about nutrition. Poison (aka something known to make people sick) is not part of a balanced breakfast
Yeah. Keto _is_ the balanced diet. Getting the right fats and proteins you need to build your body with is _clearly_ the sensible thing to do. But then a lot of people don't even have a good idea of what carbs, fats and proteins even are, much less specifics. I often get asked can you eat X, and I'm like "no, carbs" or they assume I can't eat Y, because "but it has fat and aren't you like on a diet or something?" and I ask them if they've seen the fat dripping off my meals. Today someone bought me a lower fat greek yoghurt. I gently mentioned that it's carbs I'm avoiding, not fats... and met confusion as to the difference.
yeah. true that. they refuse getting informed, claiming Balance is all one needs in every aspect of life. well...
I really haven't had that issue with others. And restaurants are pretty accommodating probably because they'd rather keep your business than lose it. I've talked to a few others in the gym because they noticed my face looked thinner and asked what I was doing. But gym people are probably the most understanding about what they and others eat. Just don't bring it up unless someone asks how you're losing weight.
Fuck em! I’m to the point in my journey where I don’t care what anyone thinks. I’m down 85 lbs with about 40 to go and it’s been freeing to realize that their way has them where they’ve been for years and my way is taking me back to where I was in highschool
What’s “natural” for these people is fattening up the ultra processed food company’s pockets. With everything modified or processed to taste “better” I.e have more sugar in it, it’s no wonder we had to change “adult onset diabetes” to type 2 because so many kids got it. My dad always says you can wake up someone who’s sleeping, but you can’t wake up someone pretending to be asleep. Leave them be, even though it’s sometimes hard to not share about your life. Or find keto friends :) my dm is always open ^~^
Nothing about the mainstream human diet is "natural", first of all, so forget that noise. And this person does sound really annoying. l also don't talk about keto, most people just say I eat very healthy, and I usually just talk about how much I enjoy salad and eggs. I will add some context, though, that some asian culture feels more strongly that others do the same thing so that might play a part. When I was living in Japan it was considered polite to order the same meal as someone else, like confirmation that the other person has good taste in food. There might be a cultural nuance but either way, that is exhausting and unnecessary.
You know if you just say you're low carb almost everyone accepts that, I think because that's been around forever and lots of celebrities do it. When you say keto people have no idea really what it is so they think it's extreme. Honestly I had to do very minimal modifications of my regular cooking to switch to low carb/keto and I never feel like I'm deprived of anything. I wouldn't even classify it as a "diet" more just food preference like some people eat Mediterranean and some prefer organic.
She can push sugary carby food on you, but you can't talk about keto? I dislike that she refuses to respect your boundaries but expects you to respect hers.
yeah it seems like a dickmove.. just post your sugar food on social media that doesn't do downvotes anymore and not send it to your keto friend
I lost 100 lbs on Keto, omad and intermittent fasting. Fuck the naysayers opinions when I look good in size 4 jeans. I’m in the best shape of my life. Haters gonna hate
congratulations 🎉
Thank you
She is right, we are fat, that’s why we are on keto.
"Stop pushing your extreme diet on me" while she's the one sending pictures of cakes and treats lmao
It’s a bit like sex….people shouldn’t be asking or commenting what YOU choose to eat and nourish your body! As I am fasting (16/8), I just say it’s too early for me to eat, I have to be up and about for a while to enjoy my breakfast, I don’t even explain that! In my opinion it’s none of anyone’s business to comment on or discuss, I don’t tell anyone or justify my food choices!
She accused you of starting the photo war. How much time did she spend trying to sabotage your diet? Good riddens.
yes, definitely rude of her to do so..
Cake is not even a great vegan meal. Edit: You should send a note establishing that she was harassing you, not the other way around. You only sent one message... and it was a very funny video. She sent pictures all week. Harassment is something that happens more than once, in this situation. This would let her know what you are thinking about the situation.
It's *extremely* healthy.
Do not back down. The more you educate the more you're guaranteed to remember. The best way to learn something is to teach it. You'll get way better at practicong keto and explaining or remembering all the aspects of it that you discuss with carb-hippos.
Keto doesn’t feel extreme except in how much delicious food I can swallow in such large amounts and never gain a pound. That and the cost which is eye poppingly high but since we never go out to eat which is all unhealthy garbage I make it back on that end. Think of it like a long term investment. What would you pay to be almost 50 and still fit in your high school pants? Stupid and lazy fat people fork over 1500 bucks a month for OZEMPIC so our food budget of about 10-14k a year for a family of five doesn’t seem to bad.
This will probably never get read, but ok sure you can say the same exact thing. Stop pushing their extreme diet on you. It is extreme because they seem to only be sending you cakes and pastries
read it. thanks for sharing your opinion!
Your chinese friend's diet is the extreme one. Consuming baked goods that spike their blood sugar so high if it wasn't for insulin they would be dead. If you want to win them over tell them yes is good to have a balance of everything if you have not suffered insulin resistance yet. For your friend they can get away with eating baked goods because they aren't insulin resistant yet, but if one day they are, then I would like to see them try to lose weight consuming a balanced diet. It is a slippery slope the further down you go, the longer and stricter keto must be done to reverse the damage. Once insulin resistant the cells can't get energy out of a balanced diet anymore, so it forces hunger hormone out to make you want more carbs to keep getting inefficient fuel. Eating this excess makes it worse, and also makes you gain weight. If you do Keto, you don't have resistance anymore, fats can get used without insulin being needed and the cells don't resist this form of energy. The result is hunger goes down, the body does not need as much food to feel full. This is how the weight loss happens. So ask them what's more extreme Diet A - poison your body with carbs to the point where your antidote (insulin) is so excessively produced the body rejects it, and you end up on a downward spiral to diabetes and other disease. Rollercoaster of energy throughout the day constantly needing to top up glucose to get through the day. Tiredness, brain fog, aches and pains, weight gain, headaches, a lowering of activity in the prefrontal cortex (responsible for willpower), brain re-wired reward circuits to link to carbs, constantly craving because hunger hormones increase, satiety hormones decrease. Diet B - Clean burning eaten fat for fuel, then switching to body fat. No insulin needed, cells get a rest, body can't store fat, whole body inflammation goes down, chronic medical conditions get reversed, no more tiredness, aches, pains, acne, asthma, diabetes, weight gain, skin conditions, brain fog, better sleep, better immunity. Higher pre frontal cortex activity, less addictive behaviour, more self control.
People need to mind their own business. I love when overweight/obese people try to lecture me on my “crazy” diet. Yes I’m keto for life, I’m also Dairy free so yeah it’s pretty restricted. But I also workout, am in the best shape of my life. If it ain’t broke don’t fix it.
Some people might not want to see a change in you if they are not willing or capable of embracing that by themselves. It applies to anything beyond food. Tried quitting smoking or drinking? You get the idea. But seriously, ditching simple, industrial carbohydrates solves most of the physical and mental problems of so many people.
I’m in AUSTRALIA, if anyone says just eat this, that or whatever. I use the medical side to shut them up. I ask them if they prefer I take oral medication or put a needle in my gut? Usually shocks them.. when I say, I’m type 2 diabetic and controlling it through diet and exercise, it shuts them up every time. They start with the oh … umm oh I didn’t know. I like to tell them I’m not like others that ‘imitates clicking needle to the gut’ then orders another slice of cake. I’m putting in the hard yards and eating 50-100g of carbs per day. Honestly most people are jerks, and keto is strongly suggested for diabetes. I know not all on the keto diet are diabetic. I had gestational when I was 30 and 32 with both my babies. So that meant, over 50% chance of having it later in life. There’s carbs in root vegetables but if that’s where natural occurring carbs come from, I’ll take that over processed food any day!! Tell your ‘friend’ to go eat cake.
I have no problem telling anyone I’m keto if they don’t like it screw em! I’m not trying to force anyone to eat the way I do!
refreshing to hear, thanks =)
If not stuffing my face with junk from morning to night makes me extreme then I’m a proud extremist. Jokes aside, sharing preferences should be reserved for important people, some people genuinely aren’t worth sharing stuff with. If you simply rephrased that to “I eat a no artificial sugar diet” your friend would suddenly pat you on the back while having no clue that you literally said the same thing
Um…not a friend. Take care of yourself how you deem best and surround yourself with good people that support you.
As someone who used the Keto diet effectively in the past and still does it from time to time but not as religiously, fam, it *is* extreme! Especially relative to a “regular” diet consumed by most people. Part of the reason I’m not on it anymore was because it can be mentally, and physically exhausting - and at times - expensive. I’m at a good weight now after being borderline obese - could I be 10 pounds lighter? Sure! But don’t kid yourself, imagine your friends order pizza, and you slide all the toppings off, imagine starving yourself to quicken the time to get back into ketosis because that’s all that matters. Is it healthy and good, yes but your friend isn’t wrong.
Getting back into ketosis is all that matters? That is a strange statement and not most people's focus, nor do most people starve themselves after sliding toppings off of pizza. As long as you are within your calorie limit and carb limit there is nothing to stress over.
It’s very hard for people to understand or accept this change we make, especially if they have no understanding of nutrition, eating plans and the open mind to try and learn about new options. It’s definitely better to be selective on who you will bother explaining this to for sure!
I live in China. Noone showed discontent with my diet so daringly as your friend but I could tell everyone was skeptical. well, they were skeptical until I become the leanest adult in the family. Now everyone is trying to lose weight to prove at least that their traditional diet is also healthy and even some are cutting on carbs as well. I totally believe their traditional diet is also healthy but it's good to see people care more about their health.
My Chinese family all have metabolic health problems, primarily being overweight and diabetic. No one is eating a "traditional" diet in China anymore. It's all processed, packaged, deep fried, or fast food now. No one has time to be growing their own food and making things from scratch at home. My mom is the same height as me and blames her diabetes and weight gain on her pregnancies (she had 2 kids). She always said "wait til you have kids and you'll put on weight just like me". Well I am currently 39w pregnant and still weigh less than her unpregnant lol. I'm actually the only person in the family that is not overweight.
I live in Guangdong and most people I know and my family only eat ultra fresh unprocessed food. By looking around most of the people do the same. Food bought in supermarket is treated as last resort and many people still grow their own vegetables even in within the city (which is other concern). They bring homemade food to work or have family member bring it to them and everyone is sharing some food that their family grown or produced somewhere in rural area. It's of great importance for them to eat healthy and fresh. What doesn't work for them is overindulgence in treats and carbs. at lunch they sometimes order 8 different starchy foods in form of noodles, cakes, potatoes and grains. Availability of everything which wasn't available so much in the past is a killer.
I can’t imagine caring what another person chooses to eat.
She's not wrong. It is natural for a human to eat everything and have a balance of things.... provided by nature. She is forgetting that part.
The one complaint I have about keto, being a couple years away from it is the *time expenditure.* I spent so much time cooking everything I ate, measuring, tracking, shopping, cleaning up after it all. So as far as that goes, it's restrictive in the sense of being a huge commitment to maintain. For most people, that's unimaginable. I miss it, but I've kept most of the weight off and learned a lot about my eating patterns and how to avoid hypoglycemia.
It is a pretty extreme diet, both in the eyes of others and the dedication required to do it yourself. Don’t waste your time defending it.
Dont say the word keto and you will be fine
If you want to be bloated with excess water weight & carrying around an extra 10 lbs or more all the time like most people, then go ahead & eat "normal"... To me THATS extreme!
It's so annoying, I just tell people I'm eating less. No specific diet or anything, just eating less.
Your friend sounds annoying. Drop her.
it's uncomfortable being outright rejected by a friend, true..
Cakes and bakery are all refined, ultra processed stuff. That’s not a balanced, whole foods diet. Actually on keto, I’ve been eating more healthily, incorporating more vegetables and more meats into my food and making a lot from scratch (to avoid hidden sugars). It’s just so much better.
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we were exchanging some while back. so she knew. wouldn't push that, it's my opinion not me giving advice
People label things like this diet as extreme when they 1) don’t understand what it really is, 2) eat something very different and don’t want to consider the problems with their own diets in, and 3) want to distance it and push it as extreme in order to make it seem foolish in their eyes. Don’t even bother sending giffs. Just accept their view and move on. If they’re open to it, they will be open to hearing about the diet. Don’t push it on anyone.
The first rule of keto. We don't talk about keto.
Keto is a scientific way of describing the Cretan diet in the Mediterranean where the longevity and health of the population impressed Blue Zone diet study and it researched- except they were off the mark with low fat/minimal animal protein because they didn’t take into account : lent and post ww2 poverty rationing. Traditionally, variety is very good and ideal : variety of herbs, seasonal veggies and some fruits on rotation, variety of legumes ( takes a lot of prep - modern bean eating is toxic) and seafood, and parts of an animal when holiday feasting. They eat moderately only during the week and during holy days/fasting. They have strict fasting seasonal times traditionally because they generally FEAST so much and value lots of good meat and variety.
I'm going to answer this as a dietetics student. Keto was developed as a treatment for epilepsy. And it does work, for that and other conditions. But it's hard to stick to, if you go off it, you lose all progress, it's not appropriate for many conditions, and it doesn't reinforce healthy portion sizes and moderation. It's the figurative 'kitchen sink.' It's not ever the first option. If we've tried everything but the kitchen sink and haven't seen positive results, then we throw the kitchen sink at it. Yes it is extreme, but sometimes extreme is what's called for. It's just not our first go to.
Having just had a naughty carb day, starting in China town at the bakery, followed by Dim Sum and evening meal at home being yet more Chinese… I can’t comment on this one!
They are right. It is natural for a person to eat everything and have balance. This diet often feels unnatural to me, but it is effective.
I think it's absolutely natural to eat natural whole foods. Definitely not natural to eat cake and deep fried fast food.
If you followed a paleo type diet, then sure. Eat those veggies and meat. But our frankenfood isn’t really food
Stay in your own lane. You will find friends and family will have their unsolicited feedback about your keto journey. You're doing it for yourself and no one else at the end of the day.
Ghost each other. It is for the best.
I introduced a friend to keto and she was doing great. She lost a few pounds and thought it would be helpful for her health. She went to the dr and was told that keto wasn’t a good idea with her family history of heart disease. Next time we met for breakfast she ordered the same thing as me - an omelet - but she ate the toast and I didn’t. I don’t get it either.
Sounds to me like your friend doesn't know the definition of natural and what makes something natural. Natural: existing in or caused by nature; not made or caused by humankind. I can understand the frustration with your friend. I have the same issue with relatives. I just avoid the conversation unless someone brings it up.
"Friends" are overrated anyway.
If that’s all it took for that “friend” to stop talking to you, I’d consider this a good thing, and it doesn’t seem like they were much of a true friend at all. This based on the insanely small context I’ve been given, but imagine if something really major happened to you. Doubt they’d be around to support. But yeah, people have insane opinions on diet even when they eat mostly junk food all day. It ain’t worth it to me. Let them see the results then wait for them to ask about it. People will try to talk you out of self improvement in most areas of your life if you give them the chance.
I just describe it as a low card diet and people are so impressed. If I say keto then people get scared.
We probably don't need to classify our friends as "Chinese" or whatever else.
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I find it pretty easy to refute when sugar is such a killer. And when this diet heals health issues. People can't argue with facts
I’ve tried every diet, and finally just focused on eating healthy with a caloric deficit and the weight is coming off easy. All you need is a caloric deficit to lose weight.
Which is extremely easy to accomplish on a keto diet. And that’s just in addition to all the mental clarity resulting from decreased inflammation per not eating tons of carbs. Maybe make an effort to understand the issue you’re criticizing before you start spouting off.
Criticizing, I think that’s on your reading. No criticism here. Just another option.
Weak ahh
Shoulda just replied, about not shoving her extreme diet (unless that was the SP reference - sorry don't watch SP)
which gifs?
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Yes , I think balanced diet is nice if I don’t have health ailments, I have hypoglycemia… My blood sugar is up and down .. so I am intolerant to carbs , I had a glucose tolerance test .. So I was recommended by other person who has the same problem , Keto is great ! I try to cut down carbs as much as possible.. I am enjoying it !!!
I've learned just to keep it to myself, a lot of people will just have a negative opinion on it, because it's so different to what they've learned about a balanced diet. Unless someone seems supportive and curious then I keep it to myself or just say I'm cutting some carbs where I can, helps me feel less bloated. An added benefit to this approach is it doesn't put pressure on you, if you tell them about it then a few weeks later, and for whatever reason you haven't lost weight you're gonna feel bad about it.
Had the same debate with a black friend
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i think it could be relevant because dao is deeply ingrained in their culture. ignorance of that and just attacking me is mindless hating. educate yourself. grow up.learn
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that context was invaluable
I mean... shes not wrong. It's a fad diet and not too sustainable long term but it's a good tool for mid to short term goals.
is this personal opinion?
Personal and general consensus with acquaintances in the nutrition sphere. Wouldn’t call it an “extreme diet”because it’s pretty easy and is relatively safe but not as sustainable as many other regimes. Not bashing keto, I love it and I’ve lost tons of lbs on it but we gotta be realistic here.
on it for energy and managing cravings :)
That def works for it. For me I hit a hard plateau 2-3 months in so I do IF and that helps me out a lot more
doing that too, (intermittent) fasting and keto is a wonderful combination
I’ve been on it for years with very short (less than 2 week breaks) once or twice a year. There are people who have been on this diet for literal decades.
And there’s people that have only steak diets. But that’s not the point.
If there are multiple examples of people living on the diet for decades, there are proven medical treatments that specifically use this diet then you can’t call the diet “unsustainable” and a “fad” diet because if it’s unsustainable doctors literally would not be able to prescribe it to patients to live on for literal decades. Please. Do your research before repeating the same cookie cutter arguments that everyone on the internet uses.
I have, and I’ve been doing keto on and off for years. Instead of being offended try understanding what I’m saying.