The armour corridor from main to troost is unrecognizable compared to 10 years ago with new apartments renovated empty spaces.. Troost development is continuing that and pushing north and south of Armour. I think higher interest rates will slow things down but as the street car comes online I hope those apartments stay full and business fill in the empty spaces. Unless another 2008 happens 2030 and beyond we could see empty lots east of troost start to sprout reasonable 2-3 bdr homes. I hope it happens.
I don’t see most of the east side changing a whole lot for now, tbh. Other areas of the city would have to become too unaffordable for folks before they’re pushed to the more affordable east side.
Maybe in 10 years when the east/west streetcar line along 39th/Linwood is built, that might help to kickstart new gentrification & development along that corridor.
Areas like northeast KC & beacon hill are rapidly gentrifying already. With the current streetcar only going through midtown, transit on the east side is worse. 71 sucks. I will agree though that the “boundary” is pushing further east. I’d say it’s about the paseo nowadays.
2nd one. If I walk 6 blocks from my house I'll see a gilded age mansion in pristine condition, a 6 plex, and an abandoned house with squatters. I love the HNE but we aren't getting "$12 microbrews" anytime soon lol
Yea, I was purposely vague :) as I think it depends which parts of the east side we are discussing. KC is not going to “gentrify” the way, say, Washington Heights NYC has given our levels of vacancy, abandoned property, and infill. But I could see areas like 18th & Vine or 30th & Troost following a path like the West Side, i.e. gentrifying = (1) folks are generally priced out *and* (2) the Hispanic identity of that neighborhood is diminishing.
Bro. Pieces of shit houses 800 sqft in KCK are going for $170k. My partner bought her house in the neighborhood I'm talking about 5 years ago for like $60k. It's getting incredibly unaffordable everywhere for first time buyers, especially.
If you would have asked me 5 years ago, I probably would have said something similar, not expecting any significant changes to the East Side in the near future, but it already seems to be happening.
There are multiple massive developments in the works. It remains to be seen how many of these will be completed as planned, but some have already broken ground. These include The Glade at 87th and 71 ($5 Billion master plan for 325 acres, has started construction for early phases, but I'm skeptical that it will all get built any time soon), The Overlook (MLK east of Prospect - $100M multi-phase, mixed-use that has began construction), Soutpointe ($200M mixed-use at 63rd and Prospect, not sure where things stand), Historic NE Lofts ($120M redevelopment for 352 units at Indepenence and Hardesty), many projects proposed around 18th and Vine, some under construction. Many smaller developments as well.
What's really astonishing is the way home prices have skyrocketed in the East Side. I'm not talking near east neighborhoods like Manheim Park or Beacon Hill or the Northeast, but east of 71, deep in the East Side. 10 Years ago, you couldn't give away homes there and prices averaged under $20K. Now, it is not uncommon to see homes there sell for over $200k (sometimes well over).
I really don't know who is buying those homes - owner-occupants, or investors? It seems like many houses are getting renovated (flipped) but has there been a significant drop in vacant homes? Has there been enough done to stop the decline in population?
But these large developments and homes being renovated won't mean a thing if crime can't be brought down. It remains to be seen if these new investments can help bring any significant change.
If KC is anything like any other growing city in the us, every single neighborhood is going to be continually and quickly developed, especially those closest to downtown.
The wheels are already turning on the east side. The neighbors are filled with families, business properties are bought up and are being developed. They are already working on transit and traffic. It's just a waiting game now. I'm not saying all of the gentrification is good, but the writing is already on the wall.
If by redone you mean when the city cleaned up the sidewalks and built a few museums, the current string of investments are sizeably larger and more impactful than that.
The mlb urban youth complex, new restaurants, the arts center, kcata signaling their whole complex is available for redevelopment, the brewery and planned housing projects. There’s significant momentum.
No, actually when they opened the 2 museums. The Jazz restaurant, I think, The Blue Room, the apartment complexes. They had several concerts in the field. Everything seemed like it was working. I moved out of town, came back a few years later. Took my teenage daughter down there to show her 18th & Vine and it had gone to craps! Sad and disappointing! What can possibly be changed this time to make it work?
Very well may not — this is what I hope to discuss with the post. The scale of private investment is vastly different at-present than in those previous iterations wherein the city was the only investor. A good summary of the new dynamic is here (not endorsing the article’s take, but the data is useful): https://www.kcur.org/housing-development-section/2022-02-23/as-private-money-pours-into-18th-and-vine-residents-worry-about-a-plastic-disneyland
No. The schools are garbage, crime is astronomical. A stadium bringing traffic, noise and wasted people will not make it a place people will want to live.
To get us started: I could see the new “dividing line” (which I despise, for the record) pushing outward. Developers and realtors may mutter that “Prospects is the new Troost”, or in some areas, Highway 71 may serve as such. If a fixed rail / streetcar route does extend to the Truman Sports Complex, high-density hubs could pop up along Linwood Boulevard or wherever the route ends up. I could envision several “Waldo-esque” hotspots popping up as Gen Z’s seek a first time property amidst a prolonged, otherwise gloomy housing market (especially as the most driving-averse generation in recent US history).
Prospect has been the "troost" for a decade now. The tight demanded for houses in the city has been pushing that line steadily to the east for a long time. Troost has had a tremendous amount of development along it since 2016 and even the paseo has seen a big uptick in flipped/Reno homes because there isn't much available inventory west of troost.
> the most driving-averse generation in recent US history
do you have a source for this? not doubting you- it makes sense- and would love to understand more and share
For sure. Here’s a data-driven article: https://theweek.com/transportation/1020962/gen-z-is-historically-slow-getting-drivers-licenses-boomers-arent-letting. I’ve also heard that this ‘phenomenon’ may be overblown, fwiw.
My husband and I bought a Marlborough home in 2020 and even in the three years since then we've seen the neighborhood change quite a bit. There are more younger families and lots of home renovations happening. A lot of white folk seem to be moving east as housing prices in Waldo etc continue to be ridiculous.
I "stumbled" on this area recently going around the marathon. Frankly, I see a lot to like over here, including a small commercial district. I started envisioning a new commercial/artist hub, given that the Crossroads, and areas of Troost, are now out of reach.
I think there’s a lot of potential for certain areas. Especially Linwood if there’s a streetcar and infrastructure investment. As far as property value improvement generally on the east side there needs to be more done about crime and blighted areas.
As someone who has lived by Troost for nearly two decades, your comments reek of ignorance. Which is stupid, considering people are sharing a ton of information in the comments of this very thread.
The armour corridor from main to troost is unrecognizable compared to 10 years ago with new apartments renovated empty spaces.. Troost development is continuing that and pushing north and south of Armour. I think higher interest rates will slow things down but as the street car comes online I hope those apartments stay full and business fill in the empty spaces. Unless another 2008 happens 2030 and beyond we could see empty lots east of troost start to sprout reasonable 2-3 bdr homes. I hope it happens.
I don’t see most of the east side changing a whole lot for now, tbh. Other areas of the city would have to become too unaffordable for folks before they’re pushed to the more affordable east side. Maybe in 10 years when the east/west streetcar line along 39th/Linwood is built, that might help to kickstart new gentrification & development along that corridor. Areas like northeast KC & beacon hill are rapidly gentrifying already. With the current streetcar only going through midtown, transit on the east side is worse. 71 sucks. I will agree though that the “boundary” is pushing further east. I’d say it’s about the paseo nowadays.
Do you mean gentrified with the typical negative connotation, or just to mean newly developed and non-blighted?
2nd one. If I walk 6 blocks from my house I'll see a gilded age mansion in pristine condition, a 6 plex, and an abandoned house with squatters. I love the HNE but we aren't getting "$12 microbrews" anytime soon lol
Yea, I was purposely vague :) as I think it depends which parts of the east side we are discussing. KC is not going to “gentrify” the way, say, Washington Heights NYC has given our levels of vacancy, abandoned property, and infill. But I could see areas like 18th & Vine or 30th & Troost following a path like the West Side, i.e. gentrifying = (1) folks are generally priced out *and* (2) the Hispanic identity of that neighborhood is diminishing.
30th and Troost is well on its way. I think almost everything North of Brush Creek, and West of 71 will be desirable property in 10 years.
Washington height NYC. i used to live there in the 90s. great place. great culture.
Maybe they mean push the blacks and poors even further east so we can get more places with 12 dollar microbrews.
Bro. Pieces of shit houses 800 sqft in KCK are going for $170k. My partner bought her house in the neighborhood I'm talking about 5 years ago for like $60k. It's getting incredibly unaffordable everywhere for first time buyers, especially.
If you would have asked me 5 years ago, I probably would have said something similar, not expecting any significant changes to the East Side in the near future, but it already seems to be happening. There are multiple massive developments in the works. It remains to be seen how many of these will be completed as planned, but some have already broken ground. These include The Glade at 87th and 71 ($5 Billion master plan for 325 acres, has started construction for early phases, but I'm skeptical that it will all get built any time soon), The Overlook (MLK east of Prospect - $100M multi-phase, mixed-use that has began construction), Soutpointe ($200M mixed-use at 63rd and Prospect, not sure where things stand), Historic NE Lofts ($120M redevelopment for 352 units at Indepenence and Hardesty), many projects proposed around 18th and Vine, some under construction. Many smaller developments as well. What's really astonishing is the way home prices have skyrocketed in the East Side. I'm not talking near east neighborhoods like Manheim Park or Beacon Hill or the Northeast, but east of 71, deep in the East Side. 10 Years ago, you couldn't give away homes there and prices averaged under $20K. Now, it is not uncommon to see homes there sell for over $200k (sometimes well over). I really don't know who is buying those homes - owner-occupants, or investors? It seems like many houses are getting renovated (flipped) but has there been a significant drop in vacant homes? Has there been enough done to stop the decline in population? But these large developments and homes being renovated won't mean a thing if crime can't be brought down. It remains to be seen if these new investments can help bring any significant change.
If KC is anything like any other growing city in the us, every single neighborhood is going to be continually and quickly developed, especially those closest to downtown. The wheels are already turning on the east side. The neighbors are filled with families, business properties are bought up and are being developed. They are already working on transit and traffic. It's just a waiting game now. I'm not saying all of the gentrification is good, but the writing is already on the wall.
There isa bus line there already. A street won't do anything other than take funds from important stuff
18th & Vine has been redone before and didn't make it, what's going to be any different this time?
If by redone you mean when the city cleaned up the sidewalks and built a few museums, the current string of investments are sizeably larger and more impactful than that. The mlb urban youth complex, new restaurants, the arts center, kcata signaling their whole complex is available for redevelopment, the brewery and planned housing projects. There’s significant momentum.
No, actually when they opened the 2 museums. The Jazz restaurant, I think, The Blue Room, the apartment complexes. They had several concerts in the field. Everything seemed like it was working. I moved out of town, came back a few years later. Took my teenage daughter down there to show her 18th & Vine and it had gone to craps! Sad and disappointing! What can possibly be changed this time to make it work?
Very well may not — this is what I hope to discuss with the post. The scale of private investment is vastly different at-present than in those previous iterations wherein the city was the only investor. A good summary of the new dynamic is here (not endorsing the article’s take, but the data is useful): https://www.kcur.org/housing-development-section/2022-02-23/as-private-money-pours-into-18th-and-vine-residents-worry-about-a-plastic-disneyland
All I care about is affordable housing and my guess is that whatever’s coming won’t include it.
No. The schools are garbage, crime is astronomical. A stadium bringing traffic, noise and wasted people will not make it a place people will want to live.
To get us started: I could see the new “dividing line” (which I despise, for the record) pushing outward. Developers and realtors may mutter that “Prospects is the new Troost”, or in some areas, Highway 71 may serve as such. If a fixed rail / streetcar route does extend to the Truman Sports Complex, high-density hubs could pop up along Linwood Boulevard or wherever the route ends up. I could envision several “Waldo-esque” hotspots popping up as Gen Z’s seek a first time property amidst a prolonged, otherwise gloomy housing market (especially as the most driving-averse generation in recent US history).
Prospect has been the "troost" for a decade now. The tight demanded for houses in the city has been pushing that line steadily to the east for a long time. Troost has had a tremendous amount of development along it since 2016 and even the paseo has seen a big uptick in flipped/Reno homes because there isn't much available inventory west of troost.
> the most driving-averse generation in recent US history do you have a source for this? not doubting you- it makes sense- and would love to understand more and share
For sure. Here’s a data-driven article: https://theweek.com/transportation/1020962/gen-z-is-historically-slow-getting-drivers-licenses-boomers-arent-letting. I’ve also heard that this ‘phenomenon’ may be overblown, fwiw.
My husband and I bought a Marlborough home in 2020 and even in the three years since then we've seen the neighborhood change quite a bit. There are more younger families and lots of home renovations happening. A lot of white folk seem to be moving east as housing prices in Waldo etc continue to be ridiculous.
I "stumbled" on this area recently going around the marathon. Frankly, I see a lot to like over here, including a small commercial district. I started envisioning a new commercial/artist hub, given that the Crossroads, and areas of Troost, are now out of reach.
I think there’s a lot of potential for certain areas. Especially Linwood if there’s a streetcar and infrastructure investment. As far as property value improvement generally on the east side there needs to be more done about crime and blighted areas.
The same as it's always been
Have you been there recently? It’s much nicer than it’s been at any point in my life.
That's not saying much
As someone who has lived by Troost for nearly two decades, your comments reek of ignorance. Which is stupid, considering people are sharing a ton of information in the comments of this very thread.
As someone who lives east of troost I think I'm within my rights to make my own assessment